Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[YvonneG]

BREAKING NEWS ?--PLEASE POST ON ANOTHER THREAD if you all want, because I stil can't :-)

Dutch government collapses over debt woes
http://www.usatoday.com/money/story/...pse/54483476/1

[corson]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
BREAKING NEWS ?--PLEASE POST ON ANOTHER THREAD if you all want, because I stil can't :-)

Dutch government collapses over debt woes
http://www.usatoday.com/money/story/...pse/54483476/1

WOW...... YvonneG, wth is going on? great find.
regards, corson

just looked at Sabrina's thread, it's there.

[justoneman]

The list of the saviors of humanity (I am not speaking for Stan)

Let's clarify what we mean by savior first - I am talking about those who would partake in thwarting the plans of the NWO to control the rest of humanity and intend to place us in an irreversible position - being chipped at the top of the list.

So who would be these saviors?

If we avoid the NWO agenda's goals, then we must first place humanity (collectively) under this definition of 'savior' as I believe the collective consciousness and collective will determines our experience.

The 100th monkey (and the first 99) can be placed in the savior camp; assuming that we are all souls on individual soul journeys. Perhaps the soul has its choice for one of two destinations, soul evolution (an eternal journey) or soul destruction (finite). We can see there's no future in soul destruction so perhaps creation provides a mechanism such that when we collectively choose soul evolution the 100th monkey makes a difference. Thus those making up this 100 monkey group could be seen as saviors.

Those who "got off their couch" as the Drake expression goes (and this includes folks like Drake) could be called saviors.

The folks who are in a position to be proactive (the 90%) - especially when the BIG shoes start to drop - this is the military, the marshals, the sheriffs and the similar folk in other lands that may have other titles.

The ETs/EDs that heard our call and deemed enough of us honestly want a positive change and have come to assist (I believe they are here and assisting).

Those who take the time (no matter what views they have) to join forums like this and read what folks have to say and offer their views as well - no doubt they are concerned (save for shills) for their families and loved ones and have taken the time to improve their knowledge and assist others in sharing their views. I would bet that most of us who are here also share our views to those we encounter in our lives. Even if we are not right about everything much less much of anything, we get others to think and believe me, when the BIG shoes begin to drop, our family, friends and others will be much more prepared to listen to those who are better informed like us. What would they listen to? It does not have to be anything more than our own experience and what we believe we have learned on the way - like they do it in Alcoholics Anonymous - where they simply share their experience, strength and hope. No more is needed.

And then lastly, all the rest of humanity that responds.

Ultimately though, the view will be that there were no saviors. How is that? Eventually, those who choose soul evolution instead of soul destruction will find themselves in an existence sans victims and the idea of savior will no longer be a concept we can understand... haha Some might suggest this is 6D and up.

justoneperson that is in a male body

[GlassSteagallfan]

On April 10th, Wide Awake News interviewed Drake. Drake stated that the event timeline was 30-45 days, roughly the end of May. If we are still talking about this at the end of May....

"ANOTHER CHARLES!!!"

[modwiz]

Posted by aranuk (here)
You seem to be the only person that doesn't understand here. You wrongly quote me and now instead of appologising you come back at me with stupid questions now. saviours is plural, you know what that means don't you? Do you wish to go further here?
You can work it out I'm sure.

Stan

I am glad to see sanity and good taste prevail. You go, Stan.

As I've said before, saviors have always been the drivers of history. We call them heroes. They are the ones who manage to get a few of us off of the couch and move progress forward. Most of humanity have always been observers.

It is ok, you can only have a few people charting a course anyway. Very few are possessed of true vision and the talents it takes to make things happen. The rest can just do their best to not get in the way if they cannot figure out how to be of assistance.

Some of history's giants are not the nicest of people. Getting the real story on them is always a challenge. History as recent as WWll is still trying to come out of the dark as far as details go.

We can only hope that the internet has allowed us to communicate, like Brzezinski says, in ways never before possible in history and making this turning point a more participatory one than has been the case in the past.

[YvonneG]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
Apologies to hammer on, but some of you have no idea what the ICJ or ICC is and what it is does and what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever.

When the subsequent shoes begin to fall (as it is put), the 90% take their (our) stand / rise up, all these questions regarding the details about the paperwork that went to the Hague and how it relates to whomever deems man made laws are superior to universal law will not matter. This point does not seem to get through - all that matters is that the 90% have all they need to take their actions, they are already ideologically on board.

Posted by sdv (here)
Look at what Drake said (in one of my earlier posts). Now he is saying something else.

Nothing was filed with the Hague. (First something was and now it wasn't.) The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. (A notification and declaration of what, and what is the proof that it was recieved?) That is all that was needed. (That is all that was needed for what?) There was no need to record anything in the Hague. (Why was there no need to record anything in The Hague, and if there was no need, which sounds like a lame cop-out when caught in a lie, then what was the purpose of sending anything there at all?) Drake has explained this many times.

Like all of us likely have done in our lifetime, Drake has sometimes stated what he has later clarified and even corrected. Give him a break. Could you do a better job than the one he has volunteered for and surely risks his life and the lives of his loved ones for? I, for one, thank him from my heart for all his efforts as well as I thank everyone else that has been proactive in trying to make this happen.

Very nicely put. I think you about sum up my sentiments here. Yesterday when freedom reigns' webmaster had an emergency and could not announce show on time on the site, the person who responds to people usually, who is now a friend, said people were sending her very angry emails...she was quite upset. I ddin't ask. There is a venom that we all seem to have when we communicate at times, demanding this or that.

I include myself in that...he who has no sins let him caste the first stone. I wonder how in the world we are going to organize locally, which is really the main thing we should be focusing on...like the County project education calls by Anita at freedom reigns? She has been working in her county for 7 years doing amazing stuff, which we all need to do.

I trust that when it is all said and done that if it goes as Drake has said, then all of this might be put to rest, and that those who so do not believe it, are still preparing!

[KiwiElf]

Posted by corson (here)

Posted by YvonneG (here)
BREAKING NEWS ?--PLEASE POST ON ANOTHER THREAD if you all want, because I stil can't :-)

Dutch government collapses over debt woes
http://www.usatoday.com/money/story/...pse/54483476/1

WOW...... YvonneG, wth is going on? great find.
regards, corson

just looked at Sabrina's thread, it's there.

Also now playing on MSM - SKY/BBC News. "Dutch Prime Minister has resigned due to austerity measures"

[KiwiElf]

Timing:

Future plans, regardless of how WELL they are planned, rarely go exactly according to plan. The longer the duration, the more difficult it is to carry out "to a schedule". I think we all need to remember this.

I'm also looking at the overall global timing and tie-in with these events to MANY supposed & Prophesised events: Nostradamus, Religious, Mayan etc.

Drake aside, the inertia of this "movement" - for lack of a better word , are ALL converging to a point in the near future (not necessarily 21 Dec 2012).

I've stuck up a post here - please keep an open mind, I did not write it. But it "Fits". I'd be very keen to overlay the Mayan Calendar to it if someone knows how?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Wave-Template

[Alie]

Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk .... We are "remote viewing" here. Some of us believe that we're seeing reality unfold. Others think it's smoke and mirrors. But like Stan said ... "I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them?"

Who am I -Alie- to know better? No, I don't know anything, I'm just hopeful. There are just too many millions of lies and dirt and deceit to be able to decipher what the truth is. So, I'm vetting Drake all by myself --- by watching the ones around him respond to him, promote the message, ask questions, listen to answers, etc. But still I won't know for sure until 1st of June.

So, IMHO, the better question is ... have we found a way to get rid of a several thousand year oppressive, controlling force that we, as individuals, can take on?

It seems the positive of us are excited and enjoying this unfolding and the ones that don't believe (which is totally fine) are certainly welcome to push and prod me off my focus IF THE MOTIVE IS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT ME AND DON"T WANT ME TO BE HURT. To you, I thank you for being a devil's advocate so I can fine tune my thoughts.

[corson]

i do not want to make trouble, but i am listening to a mel fabregas interview with Dr. John Coleman regarding Tavistock. Towards the end he speaks about sovereignty of the United States...... all 50 states have their sovereignty from what he states. all 50 states are considered 50 individual countries. it is very interesting. i have posted the video if you would like to listen.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXr6fkff6zg

regards, corson

[bekrah]

Posted by aranuk (here)
There seems to be a lot of distraction here about laws and wording of laws. When tyrrany is upon the land and the people are being abused, and their freedom taken away from them "legally" who gives a stuff about their laws? If policemen are dragging you and your loved ones into a fema camp, do you ask them for proof of the law? They will show you it is written in the NDAA. After the bastards are rounded up we the citizens can make our own laws. Absolutely correct. Drakes speaks about Common Law being used. Why not? Fascist dictatorships make laws to keep themselves in power and to restrict the freedom of the people. Why all these questions about seeing proof of receipt from the Hague? If you people who are so uptight about a legal or lawful reason for this big clean up were true to your colours, why were you not publicly protesting before the NDAA thing was signed by Obama? If you use your seemingly understanding of law more wisely you could be giving your senator a hard ****ing time instead of Drake. Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.


Stan

I could be interpreting everything I have heard from the interviews wrong here. But it's my understanding that the notification gives the military the citizen backing it needs to authorize the arrests of the bad guys. The military/pentagon people who had "the plan" in place were waiting for something to give them the authority to do this. So wouldn't conformation of this paperwork that allows the process to happen be important?

Also:
That's not to say I don't agree with you, there comes a point when you say "To hell with the laws, go with your heart." I just wanted to add that quick. I would also like to add that I'm not trying to be contrary to anyone's views, and I'm not trying to dis-credit Drake. I remain optimistic that something is going down, there have been a lot of interesting happenings lately. The reason I ask to see if there is record of the notification is because like most of you here, I'm trying to convince my friends and family that this is happening. It would be a HECK of a lot easier if I could at least show them that. That's all. Thanks everyone for sharing, and being patient with my posts that might come of as a bit ignorant at times. I'm still learning about these things. Much love and respect.

[frozen alchemy]

So...

Has anyone heard anything about the 'big orb on a coastline' we were promised by Tolec more than a week ago now?

And is 'collapsing a government' as easy as getting the prime minister to resign? I don't think so. Surely there's someone just under the PM that takes over in such cases and the government continues...

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Alie (here)
Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk .... We are "remote viewing" here. Some of us believe that we're seeing reality unfold. Others think it's smoke and mirrors. But like Stan said ... "I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them?"

Who am I -Alie- to know better? No, I don't know anything, I'm just hopeful. There are just too many millions of lies and dirt and deceit to be able to decipher what the truth is. So, I'm vetting Drake all by myself --- by watching the ones around him respond to him, promote the message, ask questions, listen to answers, etc. But still I won't know for sure until 1st of June.

So, IMHO, the better question is ... have we found a way to get rid of a several thousand year oppressive, controlling force that we, as individuals, can take on?

It seems the positive of us are excited and enjoying this unfolding and the ones that don't believe (which is totally fine) are certainly welcome to push and prod me off my focus IF THE MOTIVE IS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT ME AND DON"T WANT ME TO BE HURT. To you, I thank you for being a devil's advocate so I can fine tune my thoughts.

The problem is if drake is 100% serious about what he's doing then the factual innacuracies are a dead giveaway something's up. Although it seems some other posters here are having a very similar idea to my own. In that I think this entire drake situation was DIRECTLY CREATED to finally drive people into action. Noticed a lot of people talking about how for instance they were in Oath Keepers and had never heard anything about this...and yet, now Oath Keepers as an organization are aware of the possibility. It seems like this entire thing is someone trying to push us as a society over that last edge towards finally taking immediate, direct action to remove people from power.

Of course, the real question becomes just how much organization and actual, legally admissible documentation can be counted upon by someone like this? I mean, on one hand the factual innacuracies could be an intentional double-bluff to make people think they don't exist but on the other for someone to supposedly be aiming to get people off of their couches, they'd have a much better time doing it by releasing some of this legally-admissible and apparently "Damning" evidence. Something has to go, I think everyone can agree here. There's room for compassion, and prudence but love alone is useless against sociopaths with guns. The people who can't be reasoned with, bullied or bargained with; talk passive resistance all you want these are people who will ship you off to jail on made up charges and re-assign your children to specially chosen homes so they grow up hating you. You cannot defeat someone willing to go to the lowest of violent depravities with "peace and love" you need some armed backup lest you get eaten alive (hopefully not literally! ;p). Meditation, wishing, praying, hoping, etc. is only good as a prelude to direct action of some kind.

Maybe this should be a call to all of these websites that we really ought to consider forming some sort of community outreach groups towards restoring or own sovereignty? I think it's reflecting a general trend at least from what I've been reading lately. It could be that was the actual point of this "mass arrest" meme, to try and exploit the internet to turn an idea into an event entirely through the power of belief in our minds. If we all believe it's going to happen, prepare for it, and enough people keep doing the same it might just "trigger" some sort of situation that might finally send the whole status quo tumbling down. That doesn't mean that it'll happen today, tomorrow, or even eight years from now. But after I really went back over what Drake was saying, I'm convinced he and DW mean well, but what this really probably is? An honest to goodness trick, not to "con" us, but to get us up off of our couches into doing something so that one day we might have enough numbers to actually take direct action as a group and intervene for our own interests for a change. So right now, I guess it's up to us to spend the time and effort building that "whole" up, if we really do want this oft-talked about "Freedom" and are willing to put in the blood, sweat, tears and dollar signs needed to make it happen.

[modwiz]

Posted by bekrah (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
There seems to be a lot of distraction here about laws and wording of laws. When tyrrany is upon the land and the people are being abused, and their freedom taken away from them "legally" who gives a stuff about their laws? If policemen are dragging you and your loved ones into a fema camp, do you ask them for proof of the law? They will show you it is written in the NDAA. After the bastards are rounded up we the citizens can make our own laws. Absolutely correct. Drakes speaks about Common Law being used. Why not? Fascist dictatorships make laws to keep themselves in power and to restrict the freedom of the people. Why all these questions about seeing proof of receipt from the Hague? If you people who are so uptight about a legal or lawful reason for this big clean up were true to your colours, why were you not publicly protesting before the NDAA thing was signed by Obama? If you use your seemingly understanding of law more wisely you could be giving your senator a hard ****ing time instead of Drake. Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.


Stan

I could be interpreting everything I have heard from the interviews wrong here. But it's my understanding that the notification gives the military the citizen backing it needs to authorize the arrests of the bad guys. The military/pentagon people who had "the plan" in place were waiting for something to give them the authority to do this. So wouldn't conformation of this paperwork that allows the process to happen be important?

Also:
That's not to say I don't agree with you, there comes a point when you say "To hell with the laws, go with your heart." I just wanted to add that quick. I would also like to add that I'm not trying to be contrary to anyone's views, and I'm not trying to dis-credit Drake. I remain optimistic that something is going down, there have been a lot of interesting happenings lately. The reason I ask to see if there is record of the notification is because like most of you here, I'm trying to convince my friends and family that this is happening. It would be a HECK of a lot easier if I could at least show them that. That's all. Thanks everyone for sharing, and being patient with my posts that might come of as a bit ignorant at times. I'm still learning about these things. Much love and respect.

My best advice with family and friends. Tell them all they will sit still for and hear. Plant the seeds, you are now the go to person for all things strange. Wait for things to start. They will be yours. Until then, it is all talk.

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Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
So...

Has anyone heard anything about the 'big orb on a coastline' we were promised by Tolec more than a week ago now?

They blew it up last night and called it a meteor.

[modwiz]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)

The problem is if drake is 100% serious about what he's doing then the factual innacuracies are a dead giveaway something's up

With regards to inaccuracies, and I hope this applies.

I am sure quite a bit of detail went into planning D-Day. I am also sure quite a bit of on the ground realities led to last minute changes before the launch. We know once it launched many things changed, by the minute and hour. We are about to be in some sort of battle, because the elite will not go quietly and have orcs in their employ.

Most dinner parties have some glitches. Looking to our own preparations and having an idea to what we can contribute makes us partners in this effort.

Everything else is neurosis and enjoying our own voices. This is a real lesson in centering ourselves and showing what we are capable of. I do believe the galaxy is watching.............and listening.

[aranuk]

I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan

PS I thought I might quote from Robert Burns our Scottish bard.
The best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft astray.

[aranuk]

And just for you Canadians here my second best poet is Robert Servce.

Stan

[KiwiElf]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
So...

Has anyone heard anything about the 'big orb on a coastline' we were promised by Tolec more than a week ago now?

And is 'collapsing a government' as easy as getting the prime minister to resign? I don't think so. Surely there's someone just under the PM that takes over in such cases and the government continues...

Sorry frozen alchemy - I do not know where you are, but if it's Nevada/California Coastline then this post may be relevant. Otherwise prob not

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...orthern-Neveda

If you are referring to the Dutch situation, the sharemarkets are now beginning to fall as I post... "Keep an eye on the Money" - and I have no idea how far this domino will fall.
It may or may not have anything to do with a "large event" that Drake said would happen around Monday thereabouts... TODAY

EDIT: 15:26 LT - And now the Russian Sharemarket...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show.....INDEFINITELY

[modwiz]

Posted by aranuk (here)
I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan

PS I thought I might quote from Robert Burns our Scottish bard.
The best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft astray.

Orcs are the gobliny/trollish things from the lord of the rings books.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by aranuk (here)
I agree Modwiz. What is an "orcs"?

Stan

An "orc" (from the Lord Of The Rings trilogy) is a nasty, powerful, mercenary creature used by the dark forces. More than one orc would be the plural, "orcs."

Dennis
{edit} oh I was too slow answering!