Moon Hoax Controversy

[Starry Knight]

What's good everyone.

I was just wondering if there has been any consensus reached on the issue of the moon flights (and I guess other space ventures) and whether or not they were faked. I've heard what the likes of Richard Hoagland has to say about it. I read through all of Dark Mission, where he goes into detail about how the supposed hoax was itself a hoax, a brilliant foresight of disinformation. It made sense, I guess.

But then again, I follow Michael Tsarion and his work a lot these days. I've sat through the many hours of his Origins and Oracles series of DVDs. As regards ancient history and the theory of the world having been visited by various peoples, he is still running with the idea that Earth is in quarantine and refers to "star gates" only as relates to a supposed barrier that prevents Earth inhabitants from leaving. He seems convinced that we never went to the moon, citing deadly radiation belts and whatnot as reasons why it would have been impossible. Strangely, MT has mentioned Richard Hoagland many times, even claims that he's met and dialouged with the man, but I don't think he ever described any debates that it seems reasonable to assume they would have had about this issue.

Now, I dunno if I'm just not remembering what I read, but I don't think Richard Hoagland himself addressed such points in Dark Mission, nor do I recall having heard him go into it in the many presentations he's given on UFO TV and whatnot. Did he even mention that radiation point in his interview with Kerry and Bill? I do recall him saying something about suped-up tech with regards to the cameras the astronauts used and whatnot, but nothing about how they actually survived out there. I'm trying to wrap my mind around and retain a lot these days, so maybe I just need to go back and review?

Chances seem good that someone has already addressed this issue somewhere on these forums, and I have been and am continuing to take the initiative to discover more on my own, but I would appreciate it if someone could maybe link me to where this or a similar discussion has already taken place. That, and/or some reading /video material I could get hold of. Thx

[sdv]

There is a critical analysis of the moon hoax theories here: http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm and here http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/in...anding_fake%3F

Plus there is a lot more debate that you kind find on the Internet.

Read it and decide for yourself.

[Bill Ryan]

-------

Hi, All:

Everything you need to know about how the moon landings were faked is here:

http://jayweidner.com/index.html#KO

Jay Weidner has it 100% right. This is a must read article for all Apollo researchers. Hoagland misinterpreted the image anomalies as a glass dome on the moon... but what he'd identified was really Stanley Kubrick's backscreen.

We asked Henry Deacon back in 2007 about the moon landings:

http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html

His reply was that some of the missions were real -- assisted with ET technology to get through the Van Allen belts. Here's what we reported at that time:

• We asked Henry if the Apollo astronauts had actually gone to the moon. This was a question that had not actually previously occurred to us in earlier meetings. There was a long pause before Henry replied saying: Yes, they had. But it was not a simple answer.

Most of the missions did indeed go to the moon, but some photos and film footage were fabricated for PR purposes, and - remarkably – some advanced technology was borrowed: a lightweight nano tech-skin shielding combined with a charged-field technology were utilized on some of the craft to provide very effective radiation shielding, combined with other technologies used to protect the astronauts from Gamma and other hazardous radiations and energetic particles during the journeys. Additional advanced “alien” technologies were added to land the Lunar Module and assist take-off from the moon.

Some Apollo astronauts were aware of these technologies (though only a couple were aware of the alternative space program). This accounts for some general reluctance to be interviewed or to speak openly on the subject. Their anger at those who claim they never went at all is understandable, because they did indeed reach the moon. They were very brave men... and they had some help.
• Incredibly, Henry stated that the one moon we have now is known to have been engineered into position eons ago. When we asked if this was done by our ancestors or by our creators, the answer came back "both".

[sdv]

A little off topic perhaps, but I don't believe the theory that the Moon was created when something crashed into Earth and blew bits out that came together to make the Moon. I have a lot of questions that the theory does not seem to answer:

If all those craters on the Moon are caused by meteorites then why do we not have such an event in recorded history? The Moon does not have the protection of a heavy atmosphere so it should be bombarded by more meteorites than Earth. I can't remember any meteroites actually been found on the Moon either, yet we have found meteorites on Earth.

The Moon is rather large (the largest known planetary satellite in our Solar System) so it would have taken something very large to have blasted that much material from Earth into orbit to then come together to form the Moon. Is there a big enough 'hole' in the Earth to support this theory? Why would the Earth even have survived such a huge impact?

Personally I think that moons are small planets that were captured into orbit around larger planets. But our Moon is intriguing to me.

[KosmicKat]

Bill Ryan presents his conclusion based on witness testimony. I reached mine based on nothing more substantial than reasoning: that we did send trained military men to the moon, but we weren't shown, honestly, what happened in real time.

[conk]

If the landings were not hoaxed, then why the huge numbers of altered photos?

An amazing assortment of doctored photo evidence here: http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

[sdv]

Thanks for the link Conk!

[ghostrider]

james horak says the moon was the ship that brought humans from another system to mars and then to earth. explains the pyramids being found on both. funny gravity seems to have no affect on the moon , the same side always faces us...

[gripreaper]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
funny gravity seems to have no affect on the moon , the same side always faces us...

yea, and all the really good stuff happens on the side we can't see. Ingo Swan did some remote viewing of the dark side, and it's teeming with life and activity.

[MacStar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
-------

Hi, All:

Everything you need to know about how the moon landings were faked is here:

http://jayweidner.com/index.html#KO

Jay Weidner has it 100% right. This is a must read article for all Apollo researchers. Hoagland misinterpreted the image anomalies as a glass dome on the moon... but what he'd identified was really Stanley Kubrick's backscreen.

We asked Henry Deacon back in 2007 about the moon landings:

http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_4.html

His reply was that some of the missions were real -- assisted with ET technology to get through the Van Allen belts. Here's what we reported at that time:

• We asked Henry if the Apollo astronauts had actually gone to the moon. This was a question that had not actually previously occurred to us in earlier meetings. There was a long pause before Henry replied saying: Yes, they had. But it was not a simple answer.

Most of the missions did indeed go to the moon, but some photos and film footage were fabricated for PR purposes, and - remarkably – some advanced technology was borrowed: a lightweight nano tech-skin shielding combined with a charged-field technology were utilized on some of the craft to provide very effective radiation shielding, combined with other technologies used to protect the astronauts from Gamma and other hazardous radiations and energetic particles during the journeys. Additional advanced “alien” technologies were added to land the Lunar Module and assist take-off from the moon.

Some Apollo astronauts were aware of these technologies (though only a couple were aware of the alternative space program). This accounts for some general reluctance to be interviewed or to speak openly on the subject. Their anger at those who claim they never went at all is understandable, because they did indeed reach the moon. They were very brave men... and they had some help.
• Incredibly, Henry stated that the one moon we have now is known to have been engineered into position eons ago. When we asked if this was done by our ancestors or by our creators, the answer came back "both".

Hi Bill,
Have you listened to this?
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-110306.php

Awesome Interview ...I just couldn't stop listening.
Not so hard to imagine that in his "position" and just finishing 2001,that this would be a perfect backdrop for the photo shoots

The full Movie was online at UTube and we watched it not long back, but I can't seem to find it there anymore
MIght be still in my temporary files folder though
No doubt at all,there was a LOT Kubrick tried to convey in his interpretations via film, and TPTB must have really got their nuts in a knot with Eyes Wide Shut....but y'all know how that ended up right?

A few more links:
http://www.collativelearning.com/FIL...OB%20AGER.html
http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.co...arch?q=Kubrick

[Operator]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Some Apollo astronauts were aware of these technologies (though only a couple were aware of the alternative space program). This accounts for some general reluctance to be interviewed or to speak openly on the subject. Their anger at those who claim they never went at all is understandable, because they did indeed reach the moon. They were very brave men... and they had some help.

Well that would clarify some of their behavior indeed. Some of them may indeed have experienced it like the formal storyline tells.

(though only a couple were aware of the alternative space program)

I can't help but think that Apollo was the alternative space program ...
Maybe JFK got frustrated by not being informed and started the Apollo program as alternative to find out what was going with a
program that would take place under his oversight ...

[mojo]

There is also the excellent research of member 1967sander.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/memb...295-1967sander

http://www.youtube.com/user/1967sand...e=results_main


and a few of my favs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkgQ2...99rZDSdcsNI%3D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL9BA...4BpwpSp63pc%3D

[Starry Knight]

Much thanks for links/comments, this should move me along nicely.

[sdv]

Does anyone know the official reason why a landing was not done on the dark side of the moon? Just my logic - if I was heading the moon exploration programme, a landing site on the dark side would have been top priority on my list. How can you gather information to understand the moon if you ignore one half of it?

[Paula]

Doesn't fit this thread.

[jimmer]

the rumors of stanley kubrick fabricating part or all of the moon landing
footage seems to come from this french mockumentary.
to discover that fact, you need to wait 'til the closing credits
where the hoax is revealed.

from archival interview footage a real whooper of a fable is expertly woven.

watch all 6 parts for some fascinating, enticing entertainment.

http://youtu.be/A-6G8N-fwHc

[mountain_jim]

Posted by jimmer (here)
the rumors of stanley kubrick fabricating part or all of the moon landing
footage seems to come from this french mockumentary.
to discover that fact, you need to wait 'til the closing credits
where the hoax is revealed.

from archival interview footage a real whooper of a fable is expertly woven.

watch all 6 parts for some fascinating, enticing entertainment.

http://youtu.be/A-6G8N-fwHc

No, your supposition is incorrect, that mockumentary was likely a response to quell the rumors already out there, I believe, and Bill's link to Weider's writings and videos on the subject offer a good summary of the root info.

This text, from your youtube link, shows the Mockumentary was from 2002:

Dark Side of the Moon is a French mockumentary by director William Karel which originally aired on Arte in 2002 with the title Opération Lune. The basic premise for the film is the theory that the television footage from the Apollo 11 Moon landing was faked and actually recorded in a studio by the CIA with help from director Stanley Kubrick. It features some surprising guest appearances, most notably by Donald Rumsfeld, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, Vernon Walters, Buzz Aldrin and Stanley Kubrick's widow, Christiane Kubrick.

Other books and info show the conspiracy existed and Kubrick was linked way before that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_la...iracy_theories

The first book about the subject, Bill Kaysing's self-published We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle, was released in 1974, two years after the Apollo Moon flights had ended. The Flat Earth Society was one of the first organizations to accuse NASA of faking the landings, arguing that they were staged by Hollywood with Walt Disney sponsorship, based on a script by Arthur C. Clarke and directed by Stanley Kubrick.[3] Folklorist Linda Degh suggests that writer-director Peter Hyams's 1978 film Capricorn One, which depicts a hoaxed journey to Mars in a spacecraft that looks identical to the Apollo craft, may have given a boost to the hoax theory's popularity in the post-Vietnam War era. She notes that this happened during the post-Watergate era, when American citizens were inclined to distrust official accounts. Degh writes: "The mass media catapult these half-truths into a kind of twilight zone where people can make their guesses sound as truths. Mass media have a terrible impact on people who lack guidance".[4] In A Man on the Moon, published in 1994, Andrew Chaikin mentions that at the time of Apollo 8's lunar-orbit mission in December 1968, similar conspiracy ideas were already in circulation.

3. Schadewald, Robert J. (July 1980). "The Flat-out Truth: Earth Orbits? Moon Landings? A Fraud! Says This Prophet". Science Digest (New York).

[jimmer]

" No, your supposition is incorrect, that mockumentary was likely a response to quell the rumors already out there, I believe, and Bill's link to Weider's writings and videos on the subject offer a good summary of the root info."

from what I remember about this more recent take on the 'kubrick faked the moon landing' was that the film producers wanted to show how easy it is to manipulate the public.
did you notice the name of one of the 'insiders' who talks about nasa's hollywood production values?

jack torrence (taken from 'the shinning.')

[mountain_jim]

The same wiki link does credit the mockumentary as having 'fueled' the theory

There is a mockumentary based on this idea, Dark Side of the Moon, but it could have fueled the conspiracy theory

later edit: after further searching, I am unable to find the 'proving' link to info confirming the Flat Earth Society association with Kubrick in 1980. I apologize for asserting ' incorrectness' based on a wikipedia statement I cannot find the corroboration for.

I still am pretty sure the association with Kubrick was made well before this mockumentary, but will not try and prove it.

This is an interesting summary (also from Jay Weidner) to try and prove that conspiracy of Kubrick's involvement more recently.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/lu...missions11.htm

[jimmer]

"This is an interesting summary (also from Jay Weidner) to try and prove that conspiracy of Kubrick's involvement more recently."

yes. I reviewed weidner's theory a couple of years ago. I believe it was this same link you posted.
really fantastic and impressive. I dig his idea that the monolith was symbolized by the screen shape.
but, all of this is conjecture. no hard facts or evidence.
his 'evidence' of the glass screen in apollo photos seems impressive, but before I'd buy this lock stock and barrel,
I'd like to hear a photographic expert associated with apollo to address these theories.
I know, I know, they all lie, but let's get some further facts and details and analysis before we accept
that stanley kubrick dupes us all.