Drake and Teri - a contrary view.

[turiya]

Yes, most here are swallowing the Teri Hinkle storyline hook, line, sinker. I have suggested that this so-called 'Drake' fellow should re-examine his relationship with Hinkle.

Some say that RuSA is an extremist group of fundamentalist Christians. I have responded by saying that when government has gone to the extreme of wanting total control in usurping the rights of all Americans, along with stealing farm lands, then extreme measures are indeed necessary.

I am not a Christian by any means, I do not ascribed to any so-called "established religion". An alive religion dies after the enlightened man or woman passes beyond this 3D existence. But as far as the Christian right is concerned, it was from the get-go that they have always been leading the charge in the Sovereignty Movement, in regaining inalienable rights & freedoms & stolen properties back from an out of control government. This can be verified by looking back on the times of the Montana Freeman, Roger Elvick, the Redemption handbook (to deal with the fraud of the courts), the tax protesters of the early 90s and finally in the recent court battles regarding the Straw Man, birth certificate & UCC Commercial Laws that have completely undermined our Constitution.

I am simply saying that RAP & RuSA have at least had the balls to get the ball rolling when they sent the letters to the 50 de facto State governors. At least they got the ball rolling on this. They absolutely deserve the credit at least for that. Instead they have been attacked countless times over.

All those that are criticizing are just tag-a-longs. They have no clue of the history of the situation. Most have recently come out of their trance states from years of being programmed out of watching tv news. And are just spewing out criticism about something they have no clue about.

Now "Drake" says he wants to shoot TT on sight. I for one will not follow this guy anywhere. This is not the attitude to have to build a better world. It seems to me that he's working for a group of individuals that are competing for funding. He is now saying that there are 80 countries that are backing the group his is a part of (which is not a group, according to Drake - doublespeak, imo). (TT & Fulford say there are 120-130). Who is blowing smoke? I don't know. But these guys should be working together, imo. 'Drake' just has to dump this Hinkle woman.

He has all the David Wilcock fans quite enchanted with his most recent interviews of the borrowed information that he has gotten from Zacharia Sitchin & Michael Salla. And this he implies is insider information? Its hardly insider information when Sitchin has several books about what he's found from his Sumerian Tablet translations regarding aliens.

Michael Salla (r.i.p.) has also got an article on the internet that he posted back in 2003 called "THE SECRET RACE TO CONTROL IRAQ'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL HERITAGE", which is what Sitchin has found (Iraq was where Sumeria was located).

It wasn't about oil at all, it was totally about going after UFO technology that Saddam Hussein found in pyramid structure in Southern Iraq.



In the following article (below), Michael Salla lays out the real reason for going into Iraq. You can read the entire article by hitting the link below the image. Its an interesting read. But in no way insider information as "Drake" would like everyone to believe.


From: http://www.exopolitics.org/study-paper2.htm

I've been busy trying to catch up as much as I can on this side of the equation, and have come to find, in which Salla has pointed out in several of his interviews & talks at UFO conferences, that the guys who hold control the information & pass out security clearances on UFO information is not the U.S government. Who really makes the decisions on who is qualified, on a "Need to Know" basis, to have access to such information (as Advanced UFO Technology), it is the Corporations!, i.e. Boeing, Lockheed, Rand Corp., Northrup, & SAIC. For example, its these entities that are holding onto the anti-gravity technology. Obviously, because they see that they could make huge profits from the production of related products.

This you can find in the Steven Greer Disclosure Project video on line. Here is the excerpt from that Disclosure Conference video...

Both the woman reporter & Steven Greer fail to see the real issue that needs to be addressed. For its the Corporations that are the ones to watch out for. USG is a corporation. It is fascism. The USG Corp its joined at the hip with other corporations. Its the National Security/Military Industrial Complex Corporation that needs to be carefully watched.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf9KVohOdEY

This all makes me wonder... perhaps, "Drake" may think he is doing the righteous patriot thing, but something keeps nagging me, that he may just be a contracted ex-military grunt that is working to promote another hidden agenda by a Corporate Military Industrial National Security Power Elite.

Somehow Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex still is hanging like a dark cloud above. Nothing wrong with Celebrating, dancing in the streets, but not yet for this. 'Vigilance' is the word of the day, for the next year or so.

"Drake" talks the talk, but in the end, he may just be put another obituary write up after his usefulness is done with.

Later, turiya

-*-

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by sdv (here)

I really want to believe the whole Drake scenario is happening, but I have chosen to remain neutral. Something that keeps burning in the back of my head that I'm not really seeing anyone discuss unless I missed it, is the huge surge of energy that is coming towards our planet from the center of the galaxy, due to hit by the end of 2012 into I believe March 2013. It's the very reason that solar flares are spiking on the Sun and is the very reason why our DNA structue is changing as we speak.

Yep we are playing in la la land instead of dealing with what is really happening (verifiable). The three monkey syndrome?
Last night I was speaking about solar flares and how the Sun had just belched again and someone mentioned that he had no idea that the Sun is so active at present, but he had wondered why he had felt an electric shock when he touched his car the morning before (when the energy from the last belch reached us).
I don't want to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is not something going on in our Solar System, Galaxy and Universe that will profoundly affect Earth and humanity. It might not be a big deal, but then it might be. The consequences of pretending nothing is happening are too great to take that risk.

A big thank you for acknowledging this post! Sorry it has taken me so long to come back here. I by no means want to take away from the whole Drake scenario, I think most know my position based on past posts. I just think this is a way bigger story headed our way and the feeling I'm getting is this isn't a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when" and I would have to agree with SDV that this is definitely verifiable. Though the magnetic field that encompasses this planet will offer some protection, we aren't even close to being outta the woods, this will be devastating. I can't help but think that this is possibly the ascension moment many of us have been waiting for. Of course you are going to hear nothing about this on mainstream because there is no way to protect all of us......but it will certainly get us out of our conundrum won't it? When I searched on this site I found only one thread that was directly discussing this, lots of good info, but it's old. Sure wish the original poster wasn't deactivated, would love to hear what that guy says now! He's probably went underground, lol. Ok, it's really not funny.
I do see that we have a Sun thread so I'll be parking my horse over there for a while trying to catch up as I'm assuming they are discussing this very scenario as the impact of this energy surge is all ready having an effect on our Sun.


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[Ishtar]

Turiya, if you're basing your conclusions about the Anunnaki on what Sitchen says, please understand that nothing about an evil alien race or a planet Nibiru is on the Sumerian tablets. Actually, Sitchin lied about all of that and to most if not all serious Sumerian scholars, Sitchin was a joke. He was a senior freemason working for psy-ops, along with many other writers of the day, like L Ron Hubbard and Arthur C Clarke. They were tasked with creating a new back story ... and this is the one they came up with.

Please do read the Sumerian tablets yourself to find out what they actually say. You could start with my article The Anunnaki and the Fear of the Bogeyman and then if you read down the page, there are links to the actual texts themselves.

I think Drake got his ET information from David Wilcock, who, in turn, is being fed it by his various 'contacts'.

[turiya]

Hello Ishtar. Thanks for the reply and the link.

My reference to Zacharia Sitchin is with regard to the geographical location of Sumeria.



It is understood that it lay in the Middle East area of which Iraq is a part. As I said in my posted message, I am trying to catch up with what is generally perceived to be the take on Zacharia Sitchin's work. I personally am not one that tends to believe anything that is written, or spoken, as gospel. This would also include what other's have transcribed from their own interpretations.

More of what I am concerned with is what others believe to be true. Because it is what others believe to be true determines how they will act or react to any given situation(s).
For example, most believe that they are subject to (liable for) the so-called "income" tax. Whether this is actually factually true is entirely another matter. In this way, belief trumps, or overrides, what the real truth may be.

I, myself, have not studied much of what Zacharia Sitchin has come forth with.

But what is the concern of my writing is in what Dr Michael Salla has written. And this goes like this:

"Sitchin's translations proved to be very controversial and mainstream archeologists dismissed the work as too speculative. However, there were very influential clandestine organizations that took Sitchin's work much more seriously."

Since the suggestion is put forth by Dr Salla that there were clandestine organizations that took Sitchin's work more seriously, then this could pertain to a group of people having positions of power and what they may have conspired to achieve out of their belief in Sitchin's writing. Since Sitchen came out with his 1st publication in the year 1979, then this could have influenced those that were involved in the clandestine group of Neo Cons that Wesley Clark & David Icke had spoken about in public talks they had given on various occasions.

I am sure you've heard of "The Project for the New American Century." I will post the excerpts of its relevance to the possibility that it may be what the real driving force behind its implementation - to gain possession of UFO artifacts/advance technology that may still be buried on the land that was the former site of the Sumerian civilization (i.e. the agenda by The Project for the New American Century has been to take over 7 Middle Eastern countries within a 5 year period of time)

Wesley Clark: "The Project for the New American Century" (at the 5:10 minute mark)
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TY2DKzastu8#313s

David Icke: 'The Project for the New American Century" (at the 1 hour 04 minute mark)

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0gNuGK8J3M

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf7scVDQ1g

-*-

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Turiya, if you're basing your conclusions about the Anunnaki on what Sitchen says, please understand that nothing about an evil alien race or a planet Nibiru is on the Sumerian tablets. Actually, Sitchin lied about all of that and to most if not all serious Sumerian scholars, Sitchin was a joke. He was a senior freemason working for psy-ops, along with many other writers of the day, like L Ron Hubbard and Arthur C Clarke. They were tasked with creating a new back story ... and this is the one they came up with.

Please do read the Sumerian tablets yourself to find out what they actually say. You could start with my article The Anunnaki and the Fear of the Bogeyman and then if you read down the page, there are links to the actual texts themselves.

I think Drake got his ET information from David Wilcock, who, in turn, is being fed it by his various 'contacts'.

[wynderer]

good post, TURIYA -- just wanted to add that i recently watched something on youtube including an interview w/Ike's daughter [i think -- close family member -- not Laura] who said that Ike originally wanted to word his warning as 'the military-industrial- [US] Congressional complex ' -- but decided to leave out the 'congressional' out of concern of offending - only 100 members in our Congress -- lots in the military & industrial part -- harder to identify

Posted by TURIYA (here)
Yes, most here are swallowing the Teri Hinkle storyline hook, line, sinker. I have suggested that this so-called 'Drake' fellow should re-examine his relationship with Hinkle.

Some say that RuSA is an extremist group of fundamentalist Christians. I have responded by saying that when government has gone to the extreme of wanting total control in usurping the rights of all Americans, along with stealing farm lands, then extreme measures are indeed necessary.

I am not a Christian by any means, I do not ascribed to any so-called "established religion". An alive religion dies after the enlightened man or woman passes beyond this 3D existence. But as far as the Christian right is concerned, from the get-go they have always been leading the charge in regaining inalienable rights & freedoms & stolen properties back from the out of control government. This can be verified by looking back on the times of the Montana Freeman, Roger Elvick, the Redemption handbook to deal with the courts, the tax protesters of the early 90s and finally in the recent court battles regarding the Straw Man, birth certificate & UCC Commercial Laws that have completely undermined our Constitution.

I am simply saying that RAP & RuSA have at least got the ball rolling on this with the letter they sent to the 50 de facto State governors. At least they got the ball rolling. They deserve the credit at least for that. All those that are criticizing are tag-a-longs. They have no clue of the history of the situation. Most have recently come out of watching the tv news. And are just spewing out criticism about something they have no clue about.

Now "Drake" says he wants to shoot TT on sight. I for one will not follow this guy anywhere. This is not the attitude to have to build a better world. It seems to me that he's working for a group of individuals that are competing for funding. He is now saying that there are 80 countries that are backing the group his is a part of (which is not a group, according to Drake - doublespeak, imo). (TT & Fulford say there are 120-130). Who is blowing smoke? I don't know. But these guys should be working together, imo. 'Drake' just has to dump Hinkle.

He has all the David Wilcock fans quite enchanted with his most recent interviews of the borrowed information that he has gotten from Zacharia Sitchin & Michael Salla. And this he implies is insider information? Its hardly insider information when Sitchin has several books about what he's found from his Sumerian Tablet translations regarding aliens.

Michael Salla (r.i.p.) has also got an article on the internet that he posted back in 2003 called "THE SECRET RACE TO CONTROL IRAQ'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL HERITAGE", which is what Sitchin has found (Iraq was where Sumeria was located).

It wasn't about oil at all, it was totally about going after UFO technology that Saddam Hussein found in pyramid structure in Southern Iraq.



In the following article (below), Michael Salla lays out the real reason for going into Iraq. You can read the entire article by hitting the link below the image. Its an interesting read. But in no way insider information as "Drake" would like everyone to believe.


From: http://www.exopolitics.org/study-paper2.htm

I've been busy trying to catch up as much as I can on this side of the equation, and have come to find, in which Salla has pointed out in several of his interviews & talks at UFO conferences, that the guys who hold control the information & pass out security clearances on UFO information is not the U.S government. Who really make the decisions on who is qualified, on a "Need to Know" basis, to have access to such information as Advanced UFO Technology, it is the Corporations!, i.e. Boeing, Lockheed, Rand Corp., Northrup, & SAIC. For example, its these entities that are holding onto the anti-gravity technology. Obviously, because they see that they could make huge amounts of profits from the production of related products.

This you can find in the Steven Greer Disclosure Project video on line. Here is the excerpt from that Disclosure Conference video...

Both the woman reporter & Steven Greer fail to see the real issue that needs to be addressed. For its the Corporations that are the ones to watch out for. USG is a corporation. It is fascism. The USG Corp its joined at the hip with other corporations. Its the National Security/Military Industrial Complex Corporation that needs to be carefully watched.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf9KVohOdEY

This all makes me wonder... perhaps, "Drake" may think he is doing the righteous patriot thing, but something keeps nagging me, that he may just be a contracted ex-military grunt that is working to promote another hidden agenda by a Corporate Military National Security Power Elite.

Somehow Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex still is hanging like a dark cloud above. Nothing wrong with Celebrating, dancing in the streets, but not yet for this. 'Vigilance' is the word of the day, for the next year or so.

"Drake" talks the talk, but in the end, he may just be put another obituary write up after his usefulness is done with...
Speaking of obituaries, I just realized a few moments ago that Dr. Michael Salla passed away in February 2012. Will have to go back and see what the circumstances were for his death.

Later, turiya

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Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by sdv (here)

I really want to believe the whole Drake scenario is happening, but I have chosen to remain neutral. Something that keeps burning in the back of my head that I'm not really seeing anyone discuss unless I missed it, is the huge surge of energy that is coming towards our planet from the center of the galaxy, due to hit by the end of 2012 into I believe March 2013. It's the very reason that solar flares are spiking on the Sun and is the very reason why our DNA structue is changing as we speak.

Yep we are playing in la la land instead of dealing with what is really happening (verifiable). The three monkey syndrome?
Last night I was speaking about solar flares and how the Sun had just belched again and someone mentioned that he had no idea that the Sun is so active at present, but he had wondered why he had felt an electric shock when he touched his car the morning before (when the energy from the last belch reached us).
I don't want to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is not something going on in our Solar System, Galaxy and Universe that will profoundly affect Earth and humanity. It might not be a big deal, but then it might be. The consequences of pretending nothing is happening are too great to take that risk.

A big thank you for acknowledging this post! Sorry it has taken me so long to come back here. I by no means want to take away from the whole Drake scenario, I think most know my position based on past posts. I just think this is a way bigger story headed our way and the feeling I'm getting is this isn't a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when" and I would have to agree with SDV that this is definitely verifiable. Though the magnetic field that encompasses this planet will offer some protection, we aren't even close to being outta the woods, this will be devastating. I can't help but think that this is possibly the ascension moment many of us have been waiting for. Of course you are going to hear nothing about this on mainstream because there is no way to protect all of us......but it will certainly get us out of our conundrum won't it? When I searched on this site I found only one thread that was directly discussing this, lots of good info, but it's old. Sure wish the original poster wasn't deactivated, would love to hear what that guy says now! He's probably went underground, lol. Ok, it's really not funny.
I do see that we have a Sun thread so I'll be parking my horse over there for a while trying to catch up as I'm assuming they are discussing this very scenario as the impact of this energy surge is all ready having an effect on our Sun.


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[justoneman]

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)

Mozart is using the America odds system which is based on 100 being the stake. For favorites, the stake amount is represented by a - sign and is always a larger number than the potential win amount.

Paul made the odds -300 thus you would risk 300 to win 100.

For the underdog you use 100 to represent the stake and in this case the price for the dog is +270 thus you risk 100 to win 270.

There ya go, justoneman -- that's the better way of putting it. Thank you for clarifying.


Only one clarification -- the underlined, bold part -- just for the sake of the clarity of the readers, the total payout would be $270, which includes the original $100 bet for a net profit of $170.

Yo Mozart - the win is really and correctly 270 for your 100 risk - the payout would be 370 which includes your stake... trust me - was my profession.

To win 100 on the Fav - you would risk 300 which if you won would have a payout of 400 which includes your 300 stake

Take Care

[Ishtar]

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus.

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around!

[turiya]

Thank you Ishtar.

Yes, there is alot of hype out there relative to the belief that those within the ranks of the Illuminati have access to certain secret knowledge of the mysteries contained within this Life. I submit that the only certain knowledge that these people have access to pertains, not to the mysteries of this Life, but, on the contrary, to the miseries of this Life.

They have absolutely proven over the past 300 years that they know perfectly how to create more misery in this world for themselves (& others) than any other beings that live on this planet. I found it absolutely astounding that so many people are so easily taken in by the idea that these people have any real clue whatsoever about creating a better world, let alone, the prospect of creating a heaven on earth.

Its entirely understood that what are thought to be different layers of reality - the physical, the etheric, the astral, the mental, the spiritual, the cosmic, and the nirvanic - can also be referred to as the different layered states of dreaming. Moving from one layer to the next is like peeling away the skin layers of an onion, removing a layer of dreaming. When you finally remove that last onion skin layer, what is left is absolute nothingness, then dreaming is finished. Reality is seen in its nakedness, because there is no subtle layer of thought that is left there to distort the perception of it.
See "What are Dreams" by Osho. http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1887900

To reiterate, I am not one to believe in what others say, whether verbally or in what they write as their interpretation. This includes what someone may say what they have researched in the so-called Akashic Record. Because whatever it is that they are saying is still passing through their own mind, it is still subject to their own mind distorting whatever they have accessed. Then, too, when one reads what they have written, it again is subject to distortion by one's own mind mechanism that is reading what is written.

I have only said that I find it interesting what Chris Thomas has said relative to what is found in that video series. Now if I myself had the ability to access the Akashic Record, then perhaps, that would be an entirely different matter altogether, keeping aware of the fact that one's own mind will, in itself, act as a refracting prism of sorts. One has to become quite capable & adept at putting one's mind aside (meditation) in order to see reality as it is.

Best regards -*-

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztjS6R4uQ8Q

Posted by Ishtar (here)

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus.

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around!

[Carmody]

Turiya:

Smaller text, please.

On that grounds alone, I refuse to read your posts.

(I don't want to be mean or contrary, it is just that, well, no one needs big text to get their point across.... and in fact, big text is detrimental to any message delivery attempt)

[NancyV]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus.

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around!

I haven't heard many say what you've said about the Akashic Records and I appreciate that you said it! I have been to the Akashic Records only once, because that was all it took for me to see that knowing all this info that only pertained to the lower dimensions was completely trivial considering the adventures awaiting in the higher dimensions. I could not see any benefit for me to bother with this at all.

When I entered the Akashic Records all this knowledge was instantaneously known to me and basically I shrugged my shoulders (so to speak) and said to myself...so what! I don't think I would trust the motives of someone who over emphasized the importance of the Akashic Records because in my mind they would only be important to someone who wanted to use that information to continue to manipulate energy, people, etc. in the physical and lower astral dimensions. In my future travels I totally bypassed the lower astral as it contained diversions that I wasn't interested in dealing with anymore.

[Kimberley]

I saw Chris Thomas mentioned in this thread... I have been listening to an interview with Chris Thomas that was posted in February of this year.... It is very interesting!

2012 Update Chris Thomas Interview - 2012 Current Thinking / Soul Integration one hour 11 minutes

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bC7NM7g0S0

[Ishtar]

Posted by NancyV (here)
I haven't heard many say what you've said about the Akashic Records and I appreciate that you said it! I have been to the Akashic Records only once, because that was all it took for me to see that knowing all this info that only pertained to the lower dimensions was completely trivial considering the adventures awaiting in the higher dimensions. I could not see any benefit for me to bother with this at all.

When I entered the Akashic Records all this knowledge was instantaneously known to me and basically I shrugged my shoulders (so to speak) and said to myself...so what! I don't think I would trust the motives of someone who over emphasized the importance of the Akashic Records because in my mind they would only be important to someone who wanted to use that information to continue to manipulate energy, people, etc. in the physical and lower astral dimensions. In my future travels I totally bypassed the lower astral as it contained diversions that I wasn't interested in dealing with anymore.

Well spotted, Nancy....and no less than I'm coming to expect from you. Your light shines through, Lady. I'm proud to know you (well, as much as you can ever know someone on a discussion board. )

[turiya]

I am new to this forum and its use of this kind of software. I upscale my text because the software that is being used here allows the poster to do so. I do this so I can read what I have written better. If that is a problem for you then, perhaps, you should not read it. You are the only one that is bothered by it.
Please note: I am not using all caps which some think is a form of talking LOUDLY. I would suggest that you self examine yourself as to why such a thing bothers you so much.

"An unexamined life is one not worth living" - Socrates
I will downsize by one and see what that looks like to me.

Cheers, turiya

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Posted by Carmody (here)
Turiya:

Smaller text, please.

On that grounds alone, I refuse to read your posts.

(I don't want to be mean or contrary, it is just that, well, no one needs big text to get their point across.... and in fact, big text is detrimental to any message delivery attempt)

[turiya]

Hi NancyV

From the video Chris Thomas explains that he found at a very young age that he, too, had this ability. As a healer He said he found it useful. Because several people carry within their physical bodies the traumas of past life events that need to be cleared away before the particular health issue can be cleared.

In one particular case, a client came to him with an unusual problem. DNA he explains holds past life memory, in which is claims he is able to read.

Because so much of history that is written about has been distorted through the biases intrinsic to the mechanism of human mind, he had an interest in finding out what the Akashic Record revealed about the human history (without the interpretation from another written source, i.e. Sumerian clay tablets included). If indeed he is able to directly access historic events of the past, then the only distortion that would come would be his own interpretation of those events in his writings of what he found. Please note that the reader of his writings would then interpret what he has written according to their own biases that are typical of the workings of their mind mechanism.

I suspect that if, indeed, we are making a dimensional shift to higher planes on a global scale, the possibility of all humans may soon be able to access the Akashic Record for themselves. Hence, this may be the reason for Clif High's Web Bot predictions of showing that there will be experiencing a coming 'data gap'.
Other researchers have also made similar claims. Its because we may just be coming to a point when each of us no longer needs to read a book or newspaper to find things out. Instead we find it out directly, at least past stuff, from the Akashic Record.

Cheers - turiya


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Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)

As for the cunieform clay tablets & what I find truly interesting is what Chris Thomas has to say. From a very young age Chris Thomas claims to have been able to access the Akashic Record. Here is what he has found the Sumerian clay tablets from his researching the Akashic Record...

Turiya, I know we all have this natural tendency to go for the fastest way to get information, but in the case of the Sumerian tablets, the only way to be certain that the information is not being manipulated is to read them for yourself. it's not difficult, but will take some time. However, at the end, you will know for yourself what they actually say rather than relying on the interpretation of a person you don't know who may or may not be able to access the Akashic Records, and who or may not be in the employ of the mind control agents, as Sitchin was.

Michael Heiser, a very respected Sumerian scholar, has created this video to show how to search the Sumerian texts through the Electronic Corpus.

On the subject of the Akashic Records, these too are very much open to manipulation by man, as they are part of the Astral Planes. The Astral Planes are a sort of lower, interdimensionary plane which man created. Everything man ever hoped, imagined, dreamed or feared is on the Astral Planes, and that content is also subject to manipulation by the magicians and wizards in the employ of the elite, through the secret, Illuminati occult lodges.

To get a clearer view, you need to go far beyond the Astral Planes into the dimensions which are created by Spirit ~ known as the Lower World, Middle World and Upper World. These are the dimensions the shaman visits to get guidance from all-knowing and benevolent spirits whose only desire is to aid the spiritual evolution of man. Visiting these realms is self-transformative because only truth and love can exist there... which is also why the magicians and wizards of the Illuminati can't get in there to move stuff around!

I haven't heard many say what you've said about the Akashic Records and I appreciate that you said it! I have been to the Akashic Records only once, because that was all it took for me to see that knowing all this info that only pertained to the lower dimensions was completely trivial considering the adventures awaiting in the higher dimensions. I could not see any benefit for me to bother with this at all.

When I entered the Akashic Records all this knowledge was instantaneously known to me and basically I shrugged my shoulders (so to speak) and said to myself...so what! I don't think I would trust the motives of someone who over emphasized the importance of the Akashic Records because in my mind they would only be important to someone who wanted to use that information to continue to manipulate energy, people, etc. in the physical and lower astral dimensions. In my future travels I totally bypassed the lower astral as it contained diversions that I wasn't interested in dealing with anymore.

[David Topí]

Distracted from what please Bill?

• Nuclear false flag event in the US
• Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
• Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
• Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
• Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.

And, IMO, significant Earth changes about which the PTB have NO CONTROL whatsover , even if they pretend they do.

[derek]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by WHOMADEGOD (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mozart (here)

I'm willing to bet a whole case of raw milk on having 15 out of those aforementioned 19 bastards to be arrested. Any takers?

~Mozart

I'll up the stakes. If they are arrested, I'll eat my hat and post it on YouTube. (To get it down, I'd mix it in a blender with raw milk. I love raw milk too.)

Translation: Nothing of this kind will happen. Wilcock is being taken for a ride, although he's normally pretty smart. It's disinfo, folks. Joel Skousen called it the other day talking to Alex Jones. It's a distracting sideshow. There are very serious issues in the world and (as with Elenin, 11-11-11, etc etc last year), your attention is being diverted.

Distracted from what please Bill?

• Nuclear false flag event in the US
• Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
• Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
• Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
• Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.

You really think the ET's who have been shutting down nuclear missile facilities for decades would allow a "false flag nuclear event"?

[turiya]

Winston Shrout/Wilcock Interview

Liens Filed Against All 12 Federal Reserve Banks

David Wilcock goes to the other side of the Aisle and interviews one of the people that "Drake" had criticized as being one of the "Commerce Philosophers" in his March 29 2012 interview w/Wilcock. Winston says he has learned this stuff from Hartford Van Dyke (from the Redemption Hanbook, Montana Freemen era).

Points for consideration for all that have been following the developments concerning "Drake":

1. Wilcock has mistakenly identified Winston as an attorney. Winston is not an attorney. If anything, you can call him a Private Attorney General - someone who understands the law and represents himself pro se when in court.

2. Winston is a Bible thumping Christian from the 'Bible belt' - State of Kentucky. (What some people have referred to as Extremists?)

3. Winston Shrout is a former Tax Protester of the 1990s.

4. Please note that the reference material that Winston points to when asked by David, "Where one can go to find out about Admiralty Law?"
Yes, its the King James Version. This also forms the basis for our Common Law.

5. David shows his 'Achilles Heel' in his lack of understanding of where our law comes from (Ecclesiastical, Trust Law & the Roman Canons).

6. Winston tries to explain what our money/debt system is based on. He uses Biblical terms, which is much confusing to the host. Maxwell Jordan (that David claims he also interviewed) has used similar terminology in his explanation(s).

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKKexGdPjI

This is a deep subject.

The Justice Department is part of the same de facto Corporate U.S. Government. The U.S. Marshall's that 'Drake" has talked about doing the arresting, they work for the corporation. They are officials of the corporation!

Winston points out that the military cannot come in & intervene with the problem of the Civil government until it has been deposed. Or, to say, after the government falls on its face, only then can the military come in to facilitate. This is the same as what RuSA has been waiting on. And I understand that all 50 States are presently ready to go at this point in time.

With a deeper understanding, one may be able to understand why "Drake's" criticism of Tim Turner has been misplaced. There is no reason why these two parties cannot work together. All 'Drake' really needs to do is to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle. No doubt 'Drake' has been an avid reader on John McGaffie's website, Rumormill News Blogspot. The RumorMill News website has subjected itself to the bias of Mz Hinkle, who has been nothing but a disinformation agent (whether she knows it or not).

David is obviously a fish out of water, as most of us here are, also.

If David really wants to get to the bottom of this, he should also consider interviewing Frank O'Collins of Ucadia. There is a thread in the Project Avalon forum that introduces those that have an interest.

Best regards,
-*-


Terms: (note: much of the terminology can also be considered banking terms)
Commercial Redemption Process
Admiralty Courts/Admiralty Proceeding
UCC Law
US Stiles Manual
Defendant (suit in Rem)
Equity
Surety
No Common Law Courts in the country - One has to 'move the court' in order to bring it under Common Law.
Benefit - Application is needed for that Benefit.
License - Permission from the State that would be, otherwise, be unlawful
Sexual Commerce - overview of the State.
Secured Collateral
Birth Certificate stock number
Occult - means, 'something hidden'
Cesti que Vie Trust
Original Issue
Registered
Commercial Registry
Exemption from Taxation
Application for Live Berth (Birth)
Probate
Department of Commerce
Depository Trust Company (DTC) 55 Water Street NY, NY
DTCC
CETA - Holding company that holds the original documents (BC)
Injury
Commercial Lien
Arrest Warrant - Lien (Arrest the Title to the gold that was lent to the Federal Reserve)
Seek Redress
RICCO
Maxims of Commerce
The Public vs The Private

References:
Google search: "Law Merchant Law"
Negotiable Instruments Act
Research: History of the City of London
Knights Templars
14 King James Version (Bible)
Gold Certificates - Negotiable Instruments

[DreamsInDigital]

Posted by derek (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

• Nuclear false flag event in the US
• Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
• Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
• Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
• Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.

You really think the ET's who have been shutting down nuclear missile facilities for decades would allow a "false flag nuclear event"?

Or, ultimately anything else on that list. Remember the last 20 times the NASA et al were screaming "KILL SHOT SOLAR FLARE COMING!" and.... absolutely Nothing happened? Or how the major earth quakes as of late have (when they actually happen and aren't manufactured reports by USGS) all but (Fukushima aside) been non-events? Like minimal damage, loss of life etc.

[turiya]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKKexGdPjI

DreamsInDigital, I think you are missing the point. I get the sense that David is interviewing Winston Shrout because Winston is also somewhat involved with the Trillion Dollar Lawsuit case. Perhaps, in an advisory position.

Please try to respond, instead react.
There is no conflict.

Cheers -*-

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)

Posted by derek (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

• Nuclear false flag event in the US
• Fukushima deterioration leading to significant radiation release
• Global financial crisis and devaluation of the dollar
• Possibility of major earthquake risk (Japan / US West Coast / New Madrid)
• Major solar activity (1859-type event, but larger) with anticipated timing Dec 2012 -- Jan 2013.

You really think the ET's who have been shutting down nuclear missile facilities for decades would allow a "false flag nuclear event"?

Or, ultimately anything else on that list. Remember the last 20 times the NASA et al were screaming "KILL SHOT SOLAR FLARE COMING!" and.... absolutely Nothing happened? Or how the major earth quakes as of late have (when they actually happen and aren't manufactured reports by USGS) all but (Fukushima aside) been non-events? Like minimal damage, loss of life etc.

[Delight]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
I saw Chris Thomas mentioned in this thread... I have been listening to an interview with Chris Thomas that was posted in February of this year.... It is very interesting!

2012 Update Chris Thomas Interview - 2012 Current Thinking / Soul Integration one hour 11 minutes

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bC7NM7g0S0

I know this thread is not about Chris Thomas but I wonder what others thought about his interview and pdf linked on the youtube site?

George Kavassilas and others have said similar things about Gaia having her own consciousness (I agree 100%), that she has been hosting the experience we have been having and that to stay with her we must transform. Thomas states this is accomplished by full soul integration with the body (not ascension). That somehow just sounds to be what I have felt also...that we are fully incarnating. And the attributes of a fully incarnated being would be benign. He says there is some thing called the Velon (that sounds alot like the Aechons in a way but have a sort of body) manipulating and posing as "good guys".

This interview stated that the purpose of the "human experiement for the last 7000 years was to bring the soul fully into the body. Integration must occur this year. He claims people have been leaving in droves in anticipation of the transition. He claims the population is now really less than 4 billion, declining since 1996 high of near 7 billion? That seems so easy to dispute but personally, I have seen lots of deaths since 2000 in my extended friends and family...Has anyone an idea of any truth in this?

He wrote lately about full integration being a choice that has been a bit stymied by the Velon but could be as simple as just allowing it? This is really what I have been sensing for a long time...full incarnation of spirit and flesh makes sooo much more sense. If we had full capacity (much like the tales of the golden age), nothing would stand in the way of communication, cooperation and reclamation of the natural ways of life that we seem to sense we once experienced.

I have definitely sensed a shift since the end of October for me. I am definitely not fully integrated (hehe) but I feel I could take in much more energy.

I am wondering if this is resonating for those who listened?

[turiya]

Hi Delight,

Yes, I have just received one of Chris Thomas' other DVD interviews (not found online).

After viewing it, I ordered several of his books. (should get them next week or so).
He has discussed that having the whole within the body was the state that humanity (as Atlantians) naturally occupied prior to the 'fall'. The reason of the fall had something to do with the base vibratory frequency of the planet. As of 2003, the base vibratory frequency level has been raised from 7.56 Hz to 3.56 kHz. We are all making the adaption as we go. This higher frequency will allow the entire soul to be contained within the physical human body as it was back in the time of Atlantis. Great gifts are to be returned to us.

This makes much more sense to me than the idea of Ascension.

Best... turiya


[/QUOTE]
I know this thread is not about Chris Thomas but I wonder what others thought about his interview and pdf linked on the youtube site?

George Kavassilas and others have said similar things about Gaia having her own consciousness (I agree 100%), that she has been hosting the experience we have been having and that to stay with her we must transform. Thomas states this is accomplished by full soul integration with the body (not ascension). That somehow just sounds to be what I have felt also...that we are fully incarnating. And the attributes of a fully incarnated being would be benign. He says there is some thing called the Velon (that sounds alot like the Aechons in a way but have a sort of body) manipulating and posing as "good guys".

This interview stated that the purpose of the "human experiement for the last 7000 years was to bring the soul fully into the body. Integration must occur this year. He claims people have been leaving in droves in anticipation of the transition. He claims the population is now really less than 4 billion, declining since 1996 high of near 7 billion? That seems so easy to dispute but personally, I have seen lots of deaths since 2000 in my extended friends and family...Has anyone an idea of any truth in this?

He wrote lately about full integration being a choice that has been a bit stymied by the Velon but could be as simple as just allowing it? This is really what I have been sensing for a long time...full incarnation of spirit and flesh makes sooo much more sense. If we had full capacity (much like the tales of the golden age), nothing would stand in the way of communication, cooperation and reclamation of the natural ways of life that we seem to sense we once experienced.

I have definitely sensed a shift since the end of October for me. I am definitely not fully integrated (hehe) but I feel I could take in much more energy.

I am wondering if this is resonating for those who listened?[/QUOTE]