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    I appreciate your comment on the matter, NancyV.

    Sometimes people are coerced into doing some things that would go completely against their own principles, like working as an FBI informant. I have only suggested that this is how these de facto agencies work, this is how they get their informants to work for them. It may not be something that an individual would happily volunteer to do, but would be coerced into doing against their character in order to avoid being subject to more harsh criminal charges. This is how they play their game.

    Regarding Drake:
    I couldn't agree with you more. It could simply be that Drake has served his purpose. And, perhaps, its time to have him disappear back into the woodwork from whence he came. Under the guise of being arrested, its a good way to have him disappear from the scene. That is just imo.

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    Sorry Turiya, there's not a chance in hell that Teri Hinkle would be an FBI informant. I know her quite well from having worked with her in the company you mentioned which we still don't KNOW was a ponzi or not... and there have not been any subpoena's issued for those who worked for that company.

    Even if I have had my disagreements with Teri, I don't like it that you're creating a rumor about her with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Rumors like that can cause huge problems for people. I think Teri was over zealous with her support of RAP and then buying into Drake and his mass arrest scenario, but she would not be an informant for the FBI, in my opinion, after knowing her for a few years.

    The opinion piece you posted from the "former white hat" sounds like pure speculation also. More unnamed secret "sources" with questionable information... probably total crap. Also the warning to Kerry is disgusting. This guy not only sounds like the "loose cannon" he describes himself as, he sounds like an effing idiot!
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    Former White Hat (who never was a White Hat to begin with) is known disinformationist that peddles nothing but lies and is also known for a fact to be an CIA / NSA shill. So, nothing he says can be taken as anything more than really badly written satrical fiction.
    "Ignoring the evidence is simply another way of ignoring the truth."
    "Reality is always hard to accept whenever it is unpleasant. Our minds play tricks and tell us it just cannot be. Instead of accepting the truth as it is when it disturbs us, we try to deny its existence."

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    Quote Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
    Former White Hat (who never was a White Hat to begin with) is known disinformationist that peddles nothing but lies and is also known for a fact to be an CIA / NSA shill. So, nothing he says can be taken as anything more than really badly written satrical fiction.
    This is exactly right. After what this asshat wrote about Bill and Kerry, and the discussions that followed, I thought the regulars here here knew that by now.

    Duncan O'finoian named, outed, and confronted the culprit, in several of his blogs, including this one:

    http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/...ouis-oh-louis/

    Quote Louis … Oh Louis …

    May 12, 2012 at 8:53 pm (News)



    Louis Khan Nin. Otherwise known as The Former Mr. White Hat, also known as Mr. Secret Asian Man, also known as … well, you get the picture.

    Louis, I really don’t know where to start. I know what you’re expecting — you’re expecting me to spout off with hate and anger at the enormous number of lies, innuendos, disgusting pathetic things you have written about myself, Miranda, Corso, Randy Maugans, and many, many others.

    Louis, I’m not going to do that. Because, Louis, in all honesty, I don’t hate you. I feel nothing for you, Louis, save pity.

    You are a pitiful excuse for a human being. I honestly don’t know how someone like you and the others can live with yourselves. You are so filled with anger, self-loathing, and self-pity, I truly wonder how you’re alive.

    Also, Louis, you are beyond a doubt one of the most cowardly people I have ever known. I call you “people” because I cannot bring myself to call you a man.

    A man does not need to purposely, with words, inflict pain on another. Only someone who is cowardly and filled with self-loathing as you are can do that.

    Even your satirical blog posts read like a porn novel. Porn is your fixation, Louis. Do you honestly think anyone believes anything that you write? Except you?

    I believe you have gone so far over the edge that you truly believe what you write about yourself.

    Whether you’re being paid to do this, whether you’re still Navy or not, whether you’re working with a group or not, means nothing to me. You, and others, tried your/their damnedest to stop our first seminar. You failed, Louis. You all failed. And you will always do so.

    Just a quick glance at your Facebook page speaks volumes about who you really are. I notice you like all the Bourne Identity movies. The X files, Fringe, etc. Are you dreaming, Louis? Were you given an opportunity to live out on the internet a fantasy you’ve always had? Truly pitiful, Louis.

    I know a young man who is nearly 13 years old, who walks in the shoes of a man. But you are too pitiful to even match a 13 year old. Now, we know within minutes of us hitting the publish button on this post, you will be responding because, Louis, that is all you do. you sit behind the keyboard, hours and hours and hours a day. That is who you are.

    I feel so much pity for you, Louis. But I don’t know if you could ever be helped or not.

    But Louis, there is someone who has a real hard-on for you. Her name is Sandra. We’re cousins. She’s a former FBI agent turned federal prosecutor, and I have no control over what she does.

    And to quote her, from just over a week ago, “I would like to see ALL pornographers in prison for life.”

    If she does choose to prosecute you, I will be called as a witness. And I will testify. But that’s between you and her.

    But I will tell you, Louis, what I told my cousin. Leave this pitiful little man to his own self destruction. Because, Louis, that is what you’re doing. You are self-destructing.

    You have this total fixation on sex and clones. I don’t know what a psychiatrist would have to say about that. It would be interesting to read.

    Again, Louis, I don’t hate you, I really want nothing to do with you. We have so much more important things to so with our time. But you have been trying to push me from day one. It’s not going to work, Louis. You will self-destruct and finish completely destroying yourself first.

    I urge you, Louis, to get help. Get out of whatever grave you have dug for yourself and get help. The only other few people I have ever known that were like you all ate their own guns. Because, Louis, what you have inside is like a cancer, and it’s eating away at you.

    Don’t listen to what few supporters you have. Kerry Cassidy says you’re harmless. Yes, Louis, you are harmless to others, but you are a danger to yourself.

    But I do have to ask, do you plan to accompany Kerry on her European tour? Since you two seem to be so fond of each other? Would you like to publicly post about a connection you two have? Just an interesting thought, Louis.

    Now, Louis, I want to leave you with something that is not satire. On some rare occasions, I can, albeit taxing and painfully to me, look into someone’s future. I did that for you, Louis. Here is a rendering of what I saw:

    You’re sitting behind your keyboard, typing away on your newest pornographic novel, when suddenly, everything goes to hell. There’re explosions all around you, weapons being fired everywhere, smoke, gases, people dying in the streets, literally dropping like flies.

    And I see you, Louis, outside, huddled between two large pieces of debris, praying for your life. I see you reminiscing about your life, all the things you said, all the pain you caused with words, all the people you hurt, and you do start to feel some regret — some remorse. But in that moment, you know your life is over, and you will soon be held accountable for everything you’ve done, everything you’ve said.

    And just when you think death is about to tap you on the shoulder, a shadow falls across your hunkered down body. You slowly turn to look up, and you see one of us.

    One of the people you have tried so hard to damage. Maybe it was me. Maybe it was Miranda. Maybe it was Corso. Maybe Randy Maugans. Maybe one of the other of us. But rest assured., It will be one of us.

    So, I know by now, Luis, you’re asking yourself, why would someone you’ve tried so hard to destroy come to save you?

    Because, Louis, it’s who we are. It’s what we are. And it’s what we do. Each and every individual life walking the face of this planet is sacred, and deserves a chance.

    But Louis, I fear your chances have all been used up. You will never know the love of someone that loves you more than life itself. A person who will sit and cradle your head while you’re literally foaming at the mouth, You will never know that kind of love, Louis, and I feel sad for you.

    You will never know the friendship, the love, and the respect that people share with each other when it’s been earned. Because, Louis, you don’t respect, you don’t love. Again, I feel so much sadness for you.

    Take this post and do what you always do — twist it, turn it, change it into a lie to use on your blog. But Louis, you’ve been told the truth and you know it.

    So please don’t bother writing us with fake email addresses, and try to post on our blog using fake email addresses. Everyone knows the coward you are, the liar you are, the pathetic human that you are. And fix your own life, Louis, fix your life.
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    Some people are apparently still ignorant of this fact, but with their heads so far up Negative Disinformation Ally it's understandable.
    "Ignoring the evidence is simply another way of ignoring the truth."
    "Reality is always hard to accept whenever it is unpleasant. Our minds play tricks and tell us it just cannot be. Instead of accepting the truth as it is when it disturbs us, we try to deny its existence."

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    Quote Posted by TURIYA (here)
    Bill Wood has recently turned himself in to authorities (probably over the alleged California rape charge of an under aged teen).

    The guy that is supposedly claiming that he is a former 'White Hat' says that Drake and Deatra are soon to be arrested as well.
    I guess the mass arrests include these people.
    Funny thing - so, what about Teri Hinkle?

    I still think that she is/has been an FBI informant, working out a plea bargain for the
    internet ponze scheming company she was a part of... aka 'gem queen'.

    Could it be that she will also fink on Drake & Deatra as well?
    Turiya, you don't help any of your positions in this thread by quoting this totally debunked, disinfo source as a source of any value. In my opinion.
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    I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.
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    I appreciate your comment, mountainman. I am interested in what others think about this.
    A simple reminder is to not attack the messenger.

    regards -*-


    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    Quote Posted by TURIYA (here)
    Bill Wood has recently turned himself in to authorities (probably over the alleged California rape charge of an under aged teen).

    The guy that is supposedly claiming that he is a former 'White Hat' says that Drake and Deatra are soon to be arrested as well.
    I guess the mass arrests include these people.
    Funny thing - so, what about Teri Hinkle?

    I still think that she is/has been an FBI informant, working out a plea bargain for the
    internet ponze scheming company she was a part of... aka 'gem queen'.

    Could it be that she will also fink on Drake & Deatra as well?
    Turiya, you don't help any of your positions in this thread by quoting this totally debunked, disinfo source as a source of any value. In my opinion.

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    Always like to read your insightful posts, NancyV. However, this is not one of them.
    Cheers -*-

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    I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.

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    Quote Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
    Some people are apparently still ignorant of this fact, but with their heads so far up Negative Disinformation Ally it's understandable.
    You have earned your stamp of approval, Dreamsindigits...

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    Further Comment by Clif High Concerning Drake/Wilcock: Short Excerpt taken from Red Ice/Clif High Interview Part3:
    http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=58798

    Red Ice Clif High Interview Part 1: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...022#post492022

    Red Ice Clif High Interview Part 2 & 3 (below):



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    Quote Posted by TURIYA (here)
    Always like to read your insightful posts, NancyV. However, this is not one of them.
    Cheers -*-

    Quote Posted by NancyV (here)
    I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.
    So you're saying you actually believe this "former white hat" character? Okay... you definitely have a right to your own beliefs. I prefer to make judgments based on whose lies look the most obvious and stupid and the "former white hat" dude has been spewing nonsense, in my opinion. Then again I don't waste my time believing much that anyone says since it's mostly all opinions and theories. I like some theories more and some less.

    One of the theories I somewhat like, which relates to Drake and several other so called insiders, is from John Lash in the following discussion: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oculusr...7/oculus-radio

    Starting at about 37 minutes up to 42 minutes:
    In answering a question about Fulford, how things may play out and karmic law, John Lash says:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Quote I’m not quite sure what your concept of karma is. Personally I don’t believe in karma at all. I don’t think “what goes around comes around”. I think that evil and deceitful people get away with things all the time and have done for centuries. I don’t think there’s any cosmic law that catches up with them in another life and punishes them. I think that ethics is a human problem and we have to solve it on human terms.

    Human ethics, what is just, what is right is our responsibility. That’s part of the experiment we’re in, as I understand it….is that we have the responsibility as human animals who are different from the other animals on this planet to establish what is the real basis of ethics and responsibility and morality and justice, if you will. Although I never use that term ‘cause I don’t think there is any such thing as justice. But there is a correction of wrong behavior. In the best case scenario, people who do wrong to others, people who harm others or deceive may be able to admit their own error and correct themselves and change. I allow that people can do that.

    As for those who can’t… well they become a problem to the responsible members of society. It’s our problem. There’s no cosmic law that is in effect, as far as I know, that’s going to take care of this. I really don’t see it that way.

    By the way, you mentioned Fulford. I think he’s a pathological liar who is unable to tell his own fictions from fact. I think that he lies wildly and makes things up. He has a messianic complex. What he says does not come true, I do not expect it to come true. Lately David Wilcock has joined up with him and they’re now talking to this guy Drake, who is really an obvious cointel pro double agent. You have to be pretty naïve to believe what this guy Drake is saying.

    I’m very angry at those people, I must say. I am really, really angry at them. Because this is the very moment when the human race needs to buck up and find its courage and face the predators. And they are playing on the confusion and hope of people in an extremely insidious manner. I hold them responsible for doing that and I’m really, really angry about this crap that’s going around about mass arrests and lawsuits of the White Dragon Society. It’s just a fantasy and it’s not going to help us. It’s not going to help us.

    If it were happening, if what Drake is saying were happening, that there has been a 20 year concerted effort to set up in the United States through Federal Marshals and through a system of the police and the authorities an alternative system that is going to take down the Feds, who we know are all corrupts and criminals, if that were true it wouldn’t be announced through some noodle-brain like David Wilcock. You know? Why would they choose David Wilcock to announce it? I mean, give me a break. It would be announced in some legitimate fashion with proof of what they’re doing.

    I think David Wilcock just latched onto it because of his personal fame. He wants to be a new age guru. Look at the way he poses himself to be a person of vision and his playing on people’s fears and giving them false hope. It’s deplorable and disgusting and I’d like to see him taken out and given 30 lashes with a big long wet noodle. Anything to just stop spreading this false hope…please!
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    Quote Posted by NancyV (here)
    ...

    One of the theories I somewhat like, which relates to Drake and several other so called insiders, is from John Lash in the following discussion: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oculusr...7/oculus-radio

    Starting at about 37 minutes up to 42 minutes:
    In answering a question about Fulford, how things may play out and karmic law, John Lash says:
    ,,,
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    Quote So you're saying you actually believe this "former white hat" character?
    No, I actually don't believe anything anybody says. If you had read one of my other recent replies you can understand, perhaps, where I am coming from. Like I said, I don't believe what anybody says. I may file it away somewhere in my brain to see if it comes true for me.

    What I find more important is what other people believe. This is because it is what others believe, as a collective, which often times trumps Truth & actual facts - take the so-called "income' tax for example. Most people don't know anything about tax law but have been brainwashed into believing that they are required to pay this tax.

    As I told mountain_jim, I posted this FWH thing to see what others think about this.
    And in another response back to your reaction was that perhaps a Drake arrest may be a way for him to quietly recede back into the woodwork from whence he came, leaving every Drake supporter believing that he is incarcerated somewhere. When in fact he may have served his purpose and it was time to exit the scene. (Perhaps, FWH & Drake are working in tandem - we shall see.)

    I am glad you posted this John Lamb excerpt. I was going to get around to it at some point. I like the way John Lamb thinks - do not agree with everything he says, but he often thinks outside the box.

    The part that I feel in your post that lacks insight is where you critique my posting of the FWH has said because you think it casts a shadow over my credibility.

    As I reminded another poster, try to remember not to attack the messenger.

    Cheers - turiya

    Edit: John Lash on Drake/Wilcock/Fulford: http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=58808

    Quote Posted by NancyV (here)
    Quote Posted by TURIYA (here)
    Always like to read your insightful posts, NancyV. However, this is not one of them.
    Cheers -*-

    Quote Posted by NancyV (here)
    I didn't realize this was the same excuse for a real human being that Duncan was interacting with. I subscribe to Duncan's blog and have been amazed at how ignorant this "former white hat" yahoo is. He's a rather pathetic joke. Quoting him as though he has any shred of credibility is probably not advisable, that is if one wishes to retain any credibility for themselves.
    So you're saying you actually believe this "former white hat" character? Okay... you definitely have a right to your own beliefs. I prefer to make judgments based on whose lies look the most obvious and stupid and the "former white hat" dude has been spewing nonsense, in my opinion. Then again I don't waste my time believing much that anyone says since it's mostly all opinions and theories. I like some theories more and some less.

    One of the theories I somewhat like, which relates to Drake and several other so called insiders, is from John Lash in the following discussion: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oculusr...7/oculus-radio

    Starting at about 37 minutes up to 42 minutes:
    In answering a question about Fulford, how things may play out and karmic law, John Lash says:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Quote I’m not quite sure what your concept of karma is. Personally I don’t believe in karma at all. I don’t think “what goes around comes around”. I think that evil and deceitful people get away with things all the time and have done for centuries. I don’t think there’s any cosmic law that catches up with them in another life and punishes them. I think that ethics is a human problem and we have to solve it on human terms.

    Human ethics, what is just, what is right is our responsibility. That’s part of the experiment we’re in, as I understand it….is that we have the responsibility as human animals who are different from the other animals on this planet to establish what is the real basis of ethics and responsibility and morality and justice, if you will. Although I never use that term ‘cause I don’t think there is any such thing as justice. But there is a correction of wrong behavior. In the best case scenario, people who do wrong to others, people who harm others or deceive may be able to admit their own error and correct themselves and change. I allow that people can do that.

    As for those who can’t… well they become a problem to the responsible members of society. It’s our problem. There’s no cosmic law that is in effect, as far as I know, that’s going to take care of this. I really don’t see it that way.

    By the way, you mentioned Fulford. I think he’s a pathological liar who is unable to tell his own fictions from fact. I think that he lies wildly and makes things up. He has a messianic complex. What he says does not come true, I do not expect it to come true. Lately David Wilcock has joined up with him and they’re now talking to this guy Drake, who is really an obvious cointel pro double agent. You have to be pretty naïve to believe what this guy Drake is saying.

    I’m very angry at those people, I must say. I am really, really angry at them. Because this is the very moment when the human race needs to buck up and find its courage and face the predators. And they are playing on the confusion and hope of people in an extremely insidious manner. I hold them responsible for doing that and I’m really, really angry about this crap that’s going around about mass arrests and lawsuits of the White Dragon Society. It’s just a fantasy and it’s not going to help us. It’s not going to help us.

    If it were happening, if what Drake is saying were happening, that there has been a 20 year concerted effort to set up in the United States through Federal Marshals and through a system of the police and the authorities an alternative system that is going to take down the Feds, who we know are all corrupts and criminals, if that were true it wouldn’t be announced through some noodle-brain like David Wilcock. You know? Why would they choose David Wilcock to announce it? I mean, give me a break. It would be announced in some legitimate fashion with proof of what they’re doing.

    I think David Wilcock just latched onto it because of his personal fame. He wants to be a new age guru. Look at the way he poses himself to be a person of vision and his playing on people’s fears and giving them false hope. It’s deplorable and disgusting and I’d like to see him taken out and given 30 lashes with a big long wet noodle. Anything to just stop spreading this false hope…please!
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    Quote As I told mountain_jim, I posted this FWH thing to see what others think about this.
    How is it helpful, in the search for facts and truth, to post known disinfo from a known disinfo source, without identifying it as such, to see what others think about it?

    Quote As I reminded another poster, try to remember not to attack the messenger.
    If the 'messenger', who "actually don't believe anything anybody says.", but instead "What I find more important is what other people believe" , then why muddy the water by posting known disinfo? How is this helpful?

    (If the disinfo was not known as such, then one would think the spreader would be pleased to be corrected and remove the known disinfo from the post.)

    I notice the 'messenger' was also called out for 'rubbing peoples noses in sh!t', in a thread now locked for other 'messenger's insults.

    I notice one of our moderators has been deeply involved in trying to keep this ship/forum afloat above the murky waters of violated etiquette, but

    with the apparent willfull spreading of disinfo here (or calling it an attack when the disinfo nature of the post is identified for the poster),

    the talking down to others by some who believe their truth is so much better informed than most of the rest of us,

    and the insulting of thread contributors by assuming and calling them 'Fans' which got another thread locked today....

    well that's my vent for today.
    Last edited by mountain_jim; 30th May 2012 at 15:37.
    I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. - Robert Anton Wilson

    The present as you think of it, and in practical working terms, is that point at which you select your physical experience from all those events that could be materialized. - Seth (The Nature of Personal Reality - Session 656, Page 293)

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