How do you think the soul promotion(5D) will happen?

[Neptun]

I don't know how it will happen. I feel the energy is raising and humanity is waking up.

There are different versions of how the the soul graduation will happen. Some people say there will be 3 days of darkness and the earth will split in 2 different earths and those that are not willing to raise their vibration will be left behind in 4th dimension.

I don't now what to think about the 2012 Dec 21 event?

What do you think?

[9eagle9]

It's already happened. People weren't aware when they evolved into the 4d; I extraordinarily doubt many noticed when 5th dimension began insinuating itself into their perception.

When the few people in this forum who have described how they evolved from 4d to 5D they are typically leapt upon by the new age BS crew or ignored entirely so perhaps that is why no one realizes 'how it will happen'.

[ulli]

Curiosity and speculation play an important role in preparing a person for higher dimensions.

Thoughts indicate to the universe where one wants to be headed and that way the universe can respond in a personal way, via confirmations of such thoughts.

[Fred Steeves]

Please elaborate a bit 9eagle9.

[Sebastion]

Severing attachments within goes a long way towards making room to allow those changes to come more rapidly. Try it, you'll like it! Just adding on to yours Ulli!

Posted by ulli (here)
Curiosity and speculation play an important role in preparing a person for higher dimensions.

Thoughts indicate to the universe where one wants to be headed and that way the universe can respond in a personal way, via confirmations of such thoughts.

[Wind]

Earth has already shifted, it's just that the people haven't. I believe that some of us have actually caught glimpses of that 4D/5D reality. I'm too interested to know how ascension will actually happen, even though it's really not important. It will happen anyway, but I do hope that it's not through physical death. Of course it is a likely possibility. Many cultures described the purification through fire at the end times. It is known as Somvarta.

We are almost there.

[Neptun]

Bring it on Sun with the Somvarta fire!

I think it's a high frequency that can feel like fire if someone hasn't raised the energy to match it.

I have had an experience where it was like a possession by an angel or something else with divine love. I felt strong divine love the most of the day and it felt a bit too much. My body could not vibrate that high for so long. For someone with very dark vibration, this would probably feel like fire?

That is probably the reason the Elite try to hide underground in their secret bases to avoid being blasted with the Somvarta fire?

[Sebastion]

It doesn't have to be a "physical" fire. There is such a thing as "spiritual" fire which literally burns off "veils" from all around you and in the process raises your conscious awareness dramatically....

Posted by StarSeed (here)
Earth has already shifted, it's just that the people haven't. I believe that some of us have actually caught glimpses of that 4D/5D reality. I'm too interested to know how ascension will actually happen, even though it's really not important. It will happen anyway, but I do hope that it's not through physical death. Of course it is a likely possibility. Many cultures described the purification through fire at the end times. It is known as Somvarta.

We are almost there.

[REILLY]

5D is a trap.

What an extraordinarily unpopular thing to say.

Wanderers primarily issue from fourth density/green ray and sixth density/indigo ray while most channeling comes from fifth density/blue ray. In 5d it's too visible, the risks involved with incarnating into a lower density for any reason whatsoever, while 4d has the whole martyr(fodder) thing going on. The indigo ray understands how things really work, and how nothing is ever truly lost, therfore the indigo is a big dose of DGAF.

So many are led along a path of raising one's vibrations for the sole purpose of ascension, for escaping this terrible 3d reality, woe is me. That which encourages us to do so is an emanation from a service to self source. The higher, service to others vibration, says raise your vibration and give it all away, for just like money and material things you don't take it with you, you take the changes you made inside yourself, your attitude towards it, etc. If you hoard your energy you're saving up for a rainy day that will never ever end. That is not to say that one should not be careful and use one's energy wisely.

[Neptun]

PurpleLama,

I think we have to be careful not to state speculation as a fact. Non of us really know what will happen.

[Fred Steeves]

I get the sense of traveling on an energetic corridor, so to speak anyway. The farther one travels it, the more refined become it's energetic harmonics. At any point when one's own vibration ceases to match accordingly, the journey stops until it does. I surmise that people who have discovered that this is the pathway home gain a sense of remembrance along the way, building momentum as they learn to trust and let go of everything else that is not needed.

[REILLY]

Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

[Wind]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
It doesn't have to be a "physical" fire. There is such a thing as "spiritual" fire which literally burns off "veils" from all around you and in the process raises your conscious awareness dramatically....

Yes, it might be an allegory.

[sdv]

I agree that we have been in 4D for who knows how long. It's a myth that we already have to evolve to 4D. But, we also need to remember that various communities/societies are in different mindsets. I still see 1D thinking operating! (My sister worries that too many people are going to be left behind!) I find posts like those on this thread very reassuring and give me hope that, as someone says, if I remain open and curious then the universe can unfold to me naturally.

[Sebastion]

It is something one would never believe is possible until it actually happens to you...that will make you a believer real quick!

Posted by StarSeed (here)

Posted by Sebastion (here)
It doesn't have to be a "physical" fire. There is such a thing as "spiritual" fire which literally burns off "veils" from all around you and in the process raises your conscious awareness dramatically....

Yes, it might be an allegory.

[spiritguide]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

No need to be sorry for stating your truth, it is what it is, many thanks! There is an awareness that when a question is asked that most inquirers will listen to answers and reap what is useful and discard the rest with thanks to the responders. Spiritual growth comes hard for some and respect is a harder lesson when one believes in ego. I for one thank you for your sharing.

[9eagle9]

In much the same way the 4d was a trap. And the 3d.Let's head for the 6d and see what densities serve to tempt us and trap us there, eventually we will arrive at that point where we realize the 5, 6, 7 dimensions are the same as 3d --just less dense. And that 3d is actually composed of and permeated by multi dimensions that our limited perceptions were and are not aware of until we engage in that 'burning off process' that Sebastion has described. Maybe we will eventually find a dimension that is so lacking in density as to not trap us there and the first transcendent thought we have is "I've been sorta an ignorant arsehole through many lifetimes, not just this one."

. It suffices to say we label these aspects with numbers to help us manage them but also assign them with values as being target dates in the future, something that must be done to achieve that dimensional level when all we had to do was become aware that is what everything is composed of, and permeated by and that is an expression of ourselves. Instead we prefer to 'think' (a trap of the 4d) its a place even. Work on what is blocking our perception. It suffices to say if a 5th dimensional event were to occur even those who were obsessed by the 'thought' of the 5d would entirely overlook it.

Sometimes I wonder if we are not so much the trapped as the trappers. defining things in a way that we can understand instead of just letting it BE or allowing them to express.

I know of some few entities that claim the 11th dimension for their own, locking it down in a way that traps one from truly realizing what dimensions are. Of course its a place, and if you are very special you can travel there not realizing the freaking condition serves to compose the world we live in know. And its all very special until someone else comes along to state they are from the 13th dimension and then the whole matter collapses into a game of grabbing the baseball bat until the upper hand wins .

We may very well be in the dead center of 1000th dimension but because we are only able to percieve 3 dimensions of 1000 we ......wait for it...must be in the 3d dimension!

Which is akin to saying if you enter a sushi bar in NYC, you of course must be in Japan.


People are waiting for 'the light' to hit the world not realizing they are supposed to be a perceiver and portal of it. Mostly we end up yarking up more 4d density like "dimensions are places" or things to be achieved when they are right here among us unnoticed.

There are no spaces between things. We just percieve space because we cannot not perceive what that space is composed of. Then some of us notice that there are none 3d densities in that space.

When an ability of some sort is made known to us, isn't another dimension of ourselves made known to us.

I don't know what to do about that. I really don't.

I really don't know what to say to people anymore, I really don't, who keep waiting for things to happen that not only have already happened, they were always in existence. Just because we didn't perceive them didn't mean they didn't exist. That would be arrogance, no?




When we become aware of that we realize that perhaps we can achieve and ca

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
5D is a trap.

What an extraordinarily unpopular thing to say.

Wanderers primarily issue from fourth density/green ray and sixth density/indigo ray while most channeling comes from fifth density/blue ray. In 5d it's too visible, the risks involved with incarnating into a lower density for any reason whatsoever, while 4d has the whole martyr(fodder) thing going on. The indigo ray understands how things really work, and how nothing is ever truly lost, therfore the indigo is a big dose of DGAF.

So many are led along a path of raising one's vibrations for the sole purpose of ascension, for escaping this terrible 3d reality, woe is me. That which encourages us to do so is an emanation from a service to self source. The higher, service to others vibration, says raise your vibration and give it all away, for just like money and material things you don't take it with you, you take the changes you made inside yourself, your attitude towards it, etc. If you hoard your energy you're saving up for a rainy day that will never ever end. That is not to say that one should not be careful and use one's energy wisely.

[Neptun]

WARNING TO AMERICANS: Nasty danish political incorrect humor with pre-war subtitle friendly bashing sarcasm.

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

Maybe my Danish way of saying things sounded a bit too commanding. Sorry about that. We communicate this way.

Denmark is sitting on-top of Germany as the head of the lower European body and the German culture may have influenced us I will use a softer approach.


German October Beer party:


Germany is the lower Chakras in the European body dealing with the primitive, but lovely energies pumping up in the head Denmark

Germany is Europe's primitive wild beast that has to be kept in line, so it does not becomes too dominating and out of control. It is a tough job, but someone has to do it, that is why UK and Denmark have signed up for it and keep whipping the Germans assess with pre-war guilt humor

Germany is like a bullied boy and if you don't keep bully him and keep him down and obedient, he will go crazy and think he is a Master race and should rule the universe.

Germans always shut up and become more humble and obedient after our treatment.


That is better than they invade Denmark and steal our 20 million+ pigs and turn them into Knackwurst(cooked sausage) and mandatory Oktoberfest where we have to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles). NO THANK YOU! Then it is better to keep them obedient and under control with guilt humor!

It also happens in the EU Parliament:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dranqFntNgo

And on TV:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk

I really appreciate your input

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Sorry, neptun. That wasn't speculation at all. If you like, I will delete my post and leave your thread, no hard feelings.

No need to delete your post. Just use different rhetoric like I THINK, "5D is a trap. " etc. please. Because non of us know for sure, if it is a trap or not.

[Delight]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
In much the same way the 4d was a trap. And the 3d.Let's head for the 6d and see what densities serve to tempt us and trap us there, eventually we will arrive at that point where we realize the 5, 6, 7 dimensions are the same as 3d --just less dense. And that 3d is actually composed of and permeated by multi dimensions that our limited perceptions were and are not aware of until we engage in that 'burning off process' that Sebastion has described. Maybe we will eventually find a dimension that is so lacking in density as to not trap us there and the first transcendent thought we have is "I've been sorta an ignorant arsehole through many lifetimes, not just this one."

. It suffices to say we label these aspects with numbers to help us manage them but also assign them with values as being target dates in the future, something that must be done to achieve that dimensional level when all we had to do was become aware that is what everything is composed of, and permeated by and that is an expression of ourselves. Instead we prefer to 'think' (a trap of the 4d) its a place even. Work on what is blocking our perception. It suffices to say if a 5th dimensional event were to occur even those who were obsessed by the 'thought' of the 5d would entirely overlook it.

Sometimes I wonder if we are not so much the trapped as the trappers. defining things in a way that we can understand instead of just letting it BE or allowing them to express.

Hi,
This point that 9eagle9 makes that we are the trappers is what I am operating on. I'd like to say that I think the ability to operate simultaneously from both "ends" of duality (such as service to others/service to self and all other qualities that create a polar opposition) is what I look at as a 5D construction. In my experience, there was a "time" in which I sincerely believed that this is a purely material "world" in which things happened because of a physical process with a "psychological" underpinning, then I enlarged my understanding to living in a "world" that is psychological with a "mythological" underpinning. However there was always "me" and "them", good/bad etc.....

These constructs seemed to be true...operated as true. There was a reason things happened that I could discover and change happened by plugging INTO these "better" constructions.

Then 5D consciousness of Everything as being a reflection of an inner state with characterizations of SELF changed everything. That to me is my threshold to 5D. There is a way of living in 5D where the world is mythological (the personal myth multiplied billions of times) with an underpinning of All that IS. As the 5D "room" opens up, the operational tools appear to actually experience this living in nonduality.

It is the difference between talking a concept and using the concept that is the "promotion". Love it, love it, love it....its you/me/us that is in service to the Everything all the time. Love, Maggie

[sdv]

Yes, it is our mind and beliefs that enslaves us and create our reality. I must admit though that I also hold a hope in my mind that some external event will 'free' my mind and take me into higher dimensions! I am grateful that this hope/thought is challenged on this forum. 9eagle9 I find your words very inspirational. The belief in evolution is just another enslavement of our minds. As is revealed on this forum the belief in linear evolution of consciousness - well there is just too much that does not fit that theory!