How do you think the soul promotion(5D) will happen?

[jorr lundstrom]

Yes, Carmen its all about reaching the treshold 62. Lovely.
6+2= 8, ah the lemniscat, eternity. Falling into a bowl
with milk, watching the world through a milk-haze, having
nothing wotsoever to accomplish, no ambitions at all. and
actually nothing else either, nada. Watching a Marsh Harrier
just for the beauty in its flight, planting seeds, one at a time.
Life living itself. I experience a great gratefulness, just being
here, on this planet now. Its overwhelming. Tears dripping.





All is well


Jorr 2.0

[OnyxKnight]

Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

[Neptun]

How to reach Zen

Tibet:


India:


Native American ritual dance:


Sweden:
Rescue a drunk Swedish moose stuck in a tree:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcDId0S78MM

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)
The whole 3d / 4d / 5d /6d thing is a trap in itself, once people realise that change is initiated through will, and not owned in any way, or thanks to outside help, the world will be a better place for all. Life happens outside. Helping yourself and others is the only way.

This ^ ^ ^ ^

[9eagle9]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

Consciousness. It hasn't been that long since it was perceived as dimension of ourselves that was non physical.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

Consciousness. It hasn't been that long since it was perceived as dimension of ourselves that was non physical.

That's the thing, there is nothing physical about it. After 3D, there is nothing else for us to look for.

[Deega]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's already happened. People weren't aware when they evolved into the 4d; I extraordinarily doubt many noticed when 5th dimension began insinuating itself into their perception.

When the few people in this forum who have described how they evolved from 4d to 5D they are typically leapt upon by the new age BS crew or ignored entirely so perhaps that is why no one realizes 'how it will happen'.

Thanks 9eagle9, how interesting!, and you are probably right!

All is there right this moment!, our soul, spirit are on a continuous journey toward light!

All the best to you.

Deega

[9eagle9]

Even non physical dimensions have a certain amount of density to them. Consciousness is filled with density. Yurk, yuck, puke. Dimensions beyond that not quite so much so.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Sorry to play the Vulcan here - But logic dictates the following question - Where's 4D in all of this?

Consciousness. It hasn't been that long since it was perceived as dimension of ourselves that was non physical.

That's the thing, there is nothing physical about it. After 3D, there is nothing else for us to look for.

[truthseekerdan]

There is no such thing as "soul promotion". All is One Consciousness manifesting (having) infinite experiences and possibilities at different levels of awareness. Ultimately everything is an illusionary manifestation, of the One Infinite Consciousness...

[OnyxKnight]

Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

[9eagle9]

And the right direction would be?

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

[Cilka]

Posted by Neptun (here)
I don't know how it will happen. I feel the energy is raising and humanity is waking up.

There are different versions of how the the soul graduation will happen. Some people say there will be 3 days of darkness and the earth will split in 2 different earths and those that are not willing to raise their vibration will be left behind in 4th dimension.

I don't now what to think about the 2012 Dec 21 event?

What do you think?

Neptun, I truly think that it is almost impossible to know how the transition will occur. There are many versions out there, which is understandable because the human mind is naturally creative and it always aims to understand things in detail, and I am happy to say that I also have my own version of what might happen but the reality is that I am not 100% sure that it is the one based on truth. Personally I have decided that I will just wait and see and will respond the best way I can as it happens. I think that it is hard to prepare for something that has never occured in the past, and if it had happened in the past, well I cannot remember in this body how I had responded to the transition thousands of years ago.

However, I find it very helpful to have read about all the versions out there that the human minds have come up with, and the best lesson I have learned from all that is that I will never listen to anyone what they think is the best thing for me to do. Especially if someone screams at me that now is the right time for me to walk THROUGH THAT PORTAL which will lead me to the paradise that so many have talked about so passionately. Time will tell, only if time exists in the first place.

[UnrealDreams]

I agree with pilotsimone. 21/12/2012 is not the single event that will elevate us to another dimension. This will be just the beginning of the escalation of the process that has already begun. All of what we would now call the year 2013 will be a time for us to step up to the challenges, in the midst of the divine plan.

Be aware that your DNA is receptive to the changes coming. Be ready for your DNA to evolve. Love.

Give mother earth her due gratitude. Walk barefoot everyday to stay in tune with mother earth's vibrations. Love.

Stop using your brain, and think with your heart. Love.

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
And the right direction would be?

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Do your purpose, experience, experiment, observe... Connect with life and not with fantasies.

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by UnrealDreams (here)

Stop using your brain, and think with your heart. Love.

Never quit thinking, don't worry this too is a natural process, and it happens only in the brain, your heart will only let you know, through the emotional, the physiological, what your sub-conscious is about.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
And the right direction would be?

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Try comparing this to the levels of evolutionary mental/conscious development:


1st stage - Priorisence (examples ranging from viruses to some forms of multicellular life)

2nd stage - Sentience (examples ranging from insects to all larger animals)

3rd stage - Sapience (examples ranging from several animal species to humans)

And the hints of the 4th stage, "savance". There is limited and very biased opinions on this, but try finding less mainstream takes on savant humans.


So ease off with the 5th stage thing. We barely touched the fourth.



These are the stages of development, or "Ascension" (if you will) of consciousness. Not traveling through dimensions, aspects of mathematics etc., or so called "densities", with the new age terminology.


As you can see, we are in the 3rd stage. This is deliberately ****ed up by certain groups who promote new age crap to be thought as 3D (3rd Dimension), in the sense we all know its referred to.

That listing above is the direction where your understanding should go.



PS: I've talked about this before numerous times. I dunno why people ignore it.

[markpierre]

Boy, that's a lot of busy stuff.

For as many answers to this question as you get, you'll get as many wrong answers. Sorry.

Why don't you let it be a surprise?

[9eagle9]

It's not possible to do any of those things without first removing density from one's consciousnesses, or to be able to observe beyond that.

Dimensions are only units of measurement. I didn't change that, fantasies did.. Fantasies are density. Thoughts have density. Clearing conscious density allows one to begin to see this for themselves. Those who have done this observe this phenom , those who don't continue to create beliefs, and keep setting transformation into the future.

The non physical has a certain amount of density otherwise the physical eyes would not be able to perceive them.

If ones' DNA is receptive then one's DNA could be transformed now.

Why are people always waiting for something to happen in the future instead of allowing it to happen now.

Beliefs. Which are in part density.

People who support this is a matrix world where physical density is only projections still do not understand that density would have to be projected by one's thoughts and beliefs.

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
And the right direction would be?

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Do your purpose, experience, experiment, observe... Connect with life and not with fantasies.

[9eagle9]

Because you can't demonstrate it.

Dimension is literal and demonstrated. Units of measurement. Why is a hypercube different than an ordinary cube?

I have used a similar comparison-- of the body, the mind, the spirit and consciousness. It still remains that dimensions convey measurement. I didn't change that, new agers did. So you are measuring sentience and sapience , is the evolution or dimensions or stages. Dimensions are dimensions and stages are stages. So you are partially correct and heading in the right direction.

The moment EXTRA SENSORY PERCEPTION became a mainstream world, a battle has been fought to make sure that one seen where that was heading. Its a word people seldom use these days because its through perception that dimensions are observed. Take a 3d article and one observe its dimensions.

Over our history we've had several episodes of ego growth that did what? Impaired our ability to percieve.

Now is there a dimension of ourselves that not everyone is perceiving. Because of the 'Oneness' mind traps , people have come to expect that if a dimensional event were to occur then EVERYONE, should be experiencing it. Some people do not have the abilty to perceive in a mulit dimensional way because they prefer the density of thoughts and ideas.

They claim they are multi faceted and multi dimensional because its a thought , a density, instilled in their head. They cannot percieve the very thing they are talking about.

if one observes the artwork of past, ancient and primitive cultures one begins to understand that point of perspective always remained , however the way things people perceived the world could be very one or two dimensional. They couldn't perceive depth or develop a point of perspective because of that. Eventually they did and although the art itself remains one dimensional it begins to show an understanding that our forebears perception developed over time, the ability to percieve in a 3 dimensional way. Dimensions are just there waiting for the observer to percieve it.

Anything to do with dimensions is all about perception. What is more dense a piece of paper, or a rock? The rock appears to have more density. You can measure the rock's density compared to the paper by observation. Which is more vibrational, the rock or the paper. If you apply percussion (energy) to the paper it will reflect a high vibrational rate it will vibrate--tap the rock and see what happens.

Light, vibration, density , dimensions have always been what they are. These things can be demonstrated. What can't be demonstrated is the meanings that people re-assigned values to it, beliefs to them. You change something and make it into something its not, you no longer observe it because you are not aware of it. One is waiting to see something else.

Why is there not more light in the world. Because someone changed what light meant. There's lots of light in the world. Half the day is light is here.

Why can't someone achieve a higher vibration. Because someone changed what the word meant. Everyone has a high vibrational rate, that vibration is not observed or perceived because of the density or thoughts dampen ones perception of it.

A 'high' vibrational person is allegedly someone who glides around with their palms pressed together, telling others they love them. They are actually very dense to the point of stupidity because they convey this density to others. That is not how vibration is conveyed.

Telling someone you love them is not love. Love is demonstrated, it can perceived.

People communicate using their tongues. How do plants communicate with people. By using our tongue. A whole other dimension of ourselves is opened for us in allowing this.

Why did an allegedly advanced culture like Egypt convey their world in terms that are really not much more than jazzed up stick figures. Due to their perception.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
And the right direction would be?

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Guys, guys ...

using the word dimension of even density to describe this process we all seem to be referring to, is also leading you in the wrong direction.

Try comparing this to the levels of evolutionary mental/conscious development:


1st stage - Priorisence (examples ranging from viruses to some forms of multicellular life)

2nd stage - Sentience (examples ranging from insects to all larger animals)

3rd stage - Sapience (examples ranging from several animal species to humans)

And the hints of the 4th stage, "savance". There is limited and very biased opinions on this, but try finding less mainstream takes on savant humans.


So ease off with the 5th stage thing. We barely touched the fourth.



These are the stages of development, or "Ascension" (if you will) of consciousness. Not traveling through dimensions, aspects of mathematics etc., or so called "densities", with the new age terminology.


As you can see, we are in the 3rd stage. This is deliberately ****ed up by certain groups who promote new age crap to be thought as 3D (3rd Dimension), in the sense we all know its referred to.

That listing above is the direction where your understanding should go.



PS: I've talked about this before numerous times. I dunno why people ignore it.

[9eagle9]

The heart doesn't think it knows.

The mind thinks. And this has a certain value to it but also risks having its beliefs, thoughts and ideas, override knowing. One can transform their mind into becoming a valuable tool when its not over-riding knowing.

In the same way people confuse awareness with consciousness, people confuse the heart and mind. Love is often just a mimic created by the mind, artificial attachments to something--a person, an idea.

Most new age ideas are attachment to thoughtforms as Sebastion noted on his thread, the unraveling of a great secret.

We are so attached to the Oneness idea that we have become more individual. The idea does nothing. You can have a stage, and lights and an audience but if people are not expressing or playing out Oneness there is no play.

One is integrated, and it begins with self integration, pulling one together from the myraid soup of ideas, thoughts and beliefs.

We are attached to the idea that something is coming to save us. That is an old thought, an old density plopped on the psyche thousands of yeas ago, and its expressed in our religions, in our politics and in our spirituality . Isn't our presidential elections just waiting for the right person to come along and save us?

We are always taught to wait. This is why we progress so slowly. People who are waiting all the time make little progress.

We wait for the bus. If went to find the bus we'd realize the bus was unnecessary in the first place.

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by UnrealDreams (here)

Stop using your brain, and think with your heart. Love.

Never quit thinking, don't worry this too is a natural process, and it happens only in the brain, your heart will only let you know, through the emotional, the physiological, what your sub-conscious is about.