The Drake paperwork is posted - FreedomReigns

[we-R-one]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
This makes sense. And it actually states very well part of the reason I am no longer going to try to present my point of view and share with others why I believe as I do. I could be wrong and it is so important to keep an open mind as you do. I know you are not convinced about Drake and the plan, and I am more convinced then not. But I also understand that doesn't mean that it won't be so. However, people like you that, an Oathkeeper who come here with such a balanced perspective given me a lot of hope.

I have decided to spend the time and energy I have here on the County Project suggested by Anita at freedom reigns. I have been spending hours here when I could be spending them locally.

I will visit now and then to check and contribute when I have something to contribute besides going back and forth in an effort for others to at least have an open mind. I haven't don't too well because I realize I have gotten into reactions. I have apologized on one thread and NO ONE ever even commented. I realized then that there is a major disconnect for us all when we are just typing words with a language that is far from adequate.

Yvonne,
Thank you for all your efforts, I do appreciate your posts and contributions to the Avalon Forum. I hate to see you go, but I understand.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
As explained in a recent show, Drake also has the support of 1.5 million professional/trained civilian militia. Drake is the commander of that militia. Should the U.S. military turn on us, we have ground troops to go to bat for us immediately.

Yes, my dear, and do you know what that's called?

It's called a BLOODBATH.

Please wake up and understand the Drake's Plan would involve massive bloodshed and loss of life.

THIS IS NOT A GAME.

[9eagle9]

It shows how easily you can mislead people with words. They have no idea, its sounds like something profound is happening.

"I'll use a lot of legal jargon because my audience has no idea what function a notary and motion serves because they sound important they'll think its important."

If they honestly explained some of what they are doing with their audience and putting it in it's proper perspective I'd be more inclined to think they had some honest intent at hand.

Or worse, they themselves misunderstand the processes and terminology of the legal system to the extent that if they think what they are doing is meaningful and expect a meaningful in kind response, they will shut their own case down. I notice a lot of people interpret the law according to their emotional state. The courts do not bend to your emotional state, the legal definitions remain as they are, regardless of one's feelings.


If they can show evidence that a 'notice to appear' was sent to every person in the states mentioned I'd be more impressed.

Posted by sdv (here)
Apostille 141 is a grand-sounding thing with a mundane application and is about Private International Law (e.g. marriage, property ownership, child maintenance payments, and so on).

http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act...ns.text&cid=41

And here it is from the website ...

Since 1893, the Hague Conference on Private International Law, a melting pot of different legal traditions, has developed and serviced Conventions which respond to global needs in the following areas:

International protection of children, family and property relations:
•International protection of children
- Child Abduction Section
· INCADAT
- Intercountry Adoption Section
•International child support and other forms of family maintenance
•International protection of adults
•Relations between (former) spouses
•Wills, trusts, estates

International legal co-operation and litigation:
•International legal and administrative co-operation
- Apostille Section
(incl. e-APP)
- Service Section
- Evidence Section
•Jurisdiction and enforcement of judgments
- Choice of Court Section
- The "Judgments Project"

International commercial and finance law:
•Contracts
- Choice of law in international contracts
•Torts
•Securities
•Trusts
•Recognition of companies

The more I investigate what these people say in order to verify it as reasonable and true or not, the more stupid they seem to be, or they think everyone else is so stupid that they will be easily duped.

Imagine if someone said that they intend to get married and that they have applied for a marriage licence and then give you 'proof' that they had sent notice to (which changes to filed papers with which changes to ...) the Federal Reserve Bank. It's kind of like that.

[YvonneG]

I agree with what you say. Humans are humans and our psychology is quite complex. I include myself in that.

Thanks for your response and thanks for being involved in all that you are!

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)

Posted by YvonneG (here)
This makes sense. And it actually states very well part of the reason I am no longer going to try to present my point of view and share with others why I believe as I do. I could be wrong and it is so important to keep an open mind as you do. I know you are not convinced about Drake and the plan, and I am more convinced then not. But I also understand that doesn't mean that it won't be so. However, people like you that, an Oathkeeper who come here with such a balanced perspective given me a lot of hope.

I have decided to spend the time and energy I have here on the County Project suggested by Anita at freedom reigns. I have been spending hours here when I could be spending them locally.

I will visit now and then to check and contribute when I have something to contribute besides going back and forth in an effort for others to at least have an open mind. I haven't don't too well because I realize I have gotten into reactions. I have apologized on one thread and NO ONE ever even commented. I realized then that there is a major disconnect for us all when we are just typing words with a language that is far from adequate.

I am especially interested in what you are contributing. My main practice is actually mindfulness and body meditation which means that those who understand just a little, know that everyone is already that Awareness. And you are so right in what you say here, and I have probably been guilty of what you say more than I have been aware.

Once more, Corey, thanks for your wisdom. This is one of the most valuable posts I have read. It is real and I can feel it. So thank you. I hope others will take it in the spirit in which you mean it.

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
Geese, more of the "You are Ignorant and I am Not, I am an Intellectual Giant and You are NOT, I am evolved and YOU are NOT... I know and perceive the omniscient TRUTH and YOU do NOT... and I am Humble in my Superior Spiritual State and You are NOT!!! Will it ever stop? Well, human nature and Ego, no I guess NOT!

And this is coming from some of the people’s threads and posts I normally respect. You know who you are… just in the posts from this thread alone... but not limited to just this one.

It is the Actions and not the Words my friends. Anyone can make a clever argument or rebuttal. It is how you react to other points of view and disparaging remarks to YOURS that makes you all of the things you strive to become. That is if YOU truly ARE on an honest path to enlightenment and willing to see your own faults and evolve.

One should always seek and display Wisdom and Your Truth... "Winning" is for Charlie Sheen and his fellow “Tiger Blood” drinkers. Who ever really wins an argument anyway?

Hello YvonneG,
Actually I am a member of the County Project group as well on his site... I just joined the Forum for Texas. Being a Radio Operator and Disaster Response person I hope I have some to offer if indeed things unfold as Drake predicts. If not it’s a good infrastructure backup plan for civilians. I agree with what you say above. But I am no one to judge, just make own humble observations when I feel so compelled. Thanks for the post. If you read what I posted about Drake I am not a Full Supporter or a Full Detractor of his info. My post explains it best. I have been quite disappointed at the behavior of some of the members here, but Humans will be Humans.

[YvonneG]

I am not leaving completely. I just am not going to be involved in reading commentaries for hours. I am going to spend the time working on our county project wikispace LOCALLY which is where are "freedom in action" takes place. If someone doesn't know what I mean, go to the freedomreigns.us site and click on County Project. And this has NOTHING to do directly with Drake. It being presented by a woman named Anita who has been working locally very effectively since 2005. She is just a member of the radio show team...Separate from anything else.

thanks for your response!

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by YvonneG (here)
This makes sense. And it actually states very well part of the reason I am no longer going to try to present my point of view and share with others why I believe as I do. I could be wrong and it is so important to keep an open mind as you do. I know you are not convinced about Drake and the plan, and I am more convinced then not. But I also understand that doesn't mean that it won't be so. However, people like you that, an Oathkeeper who come here with such a balanced perspective given me a lot of hope.

I have decided to spend the time and energy I have here on the County Project suggested by Anita at freedom reigns. I have been spending hours here when I could be spending them locally.

I will visit now and then to check and contribute when I have something to contribute besides going back and forth in an effort for others to at least have an open mind. I haven't don't too well because I realize I have gotten into reactions. I have apologized on one thread and NO ONE ever even commented. I realized then that there is a major disconnect for us all when we are just typing words with a language that is far from adequate.

Yvonne,
Thank you for all your efforts, I do appreciate your posts and contributions to the Avalon Forum. I hate to see you go, but I understand.

[YvonneG]

Alie,
Thank you so much. And so glad to see that you feel this way. And on the most part that has been my intention, but I have been reactive quite often and hey, I am human, but I prefer to not communicate in this way. I appreciate you and have noticed your gentle way. I am not going away I just not gong to spend hours here which I can spend in the County Project. Notice that Corey says he is part of their County Project. This is where I feel our main focus should be...locally however we choose to do that. But we are being give free support and education with Anita through freedoms reigns. I repeat that Anita is her own thing...just working through the freedom reigns team...nothing to do with Drake directly.

you be well Alie,
Yvonne

Posted by Alie (here)

Posted by YvonneG (here)
This makes sense. And it actually states very well part of the reason I am no longer going to try to present my point of view and share with others why I believe as I do. I could be wrong and it is so important to keep an open mind as you do. I know you are not convinced about Drake and the plan, and I am more convinced then not. But I also understand that doesn't mean that it won't be so. However, people like you that, an Oathkeeper who come here with such a balanced perspective given me a lot of hope.

I have decided to spend the time and energy I have here on the County Project suggested by Anita at freedom reigns. I have been spending hours here when I could be spending them locally.

I will visit now and then to check and contribute when I have something to contribute besides going back and forth in an effort for others to at least have an open mind. I haven't don't too well because I realize I have gotten into reactions. I have apologized on one thread and NO ONE ever even commented. I realized then that there is a major disconnect for us all when we are just typing words with a language that is far from adequate.

I am especially interested in what you are contributing. My main practice is actually mindfulness and body meditation which means that those who understand just a little, know that everyone is already that Awareness. And you are so right in what you say here, and I have probably been guilty of what you say more than I have been aware.

Once more, Corey, thanks for your wisdom. This is one of the most valuable posts I have read. It is real and I can feel it. So thank you. I hope others will take it in the spirit in which you mean it.

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
Geese, more of the "You are Ignorant and I am Not, I am an Intellectual Giant and You are NOT, I am evolved and YOU are NOT... I know and perceive the omniscient TRUTH and YOU do NOT... and I am Humble in my Superior Spiritual State and You are NOT!!! Will it ever stop? Well, human nature and Ego, no I guess NOT!

And this is coming from some of the people’s threads and posts I normally respect. You know who you are… just in the posts from this thread alone... but not limited to just this one.

It is the Actions and not the Words my friends. Anyone can make a clever argument or rebuttal. It is how you react to other points of view and disparaging remarks to YOURS that makes you all of the things you strive to become. That is if YOU truly ARE on an honest path to enlightenment and willing to see your own faults and evolve.

One should always seek and display Wisdom and Your Truth... "Winning" is for Charlie Sheen and his fellow “Tiger Blood” drinkers. Who ever really wins an argument anyway?

Yvonne G
I feel like responding to this. I started a thread a while back about PA being a Microcosm of Some UNKNOWN Macrocosm. Having spent some extra time over the last few weeks with you and others discussing the Drake info, I can easily see that this is definitely a microcosm of something, as I thought. We have folks from everywhere, many generations represented, many viewpoints, etc. Perhaps PA is a school to find those who will be useful in service to others sometime in the future.

Having not been a part of PA when the Charles material came around, this Drake/Wilcock/Brocken??? controversy is new to me. I have not particularly enjoyed it because my motive is trying to gather as much information as I can and I'm not one that enjoys confrontation in the real world.

But what has been important during my participation, is that I've been reminded in the last few weeks that having CLASS is essential when communicating face to face or word to word. I'm thinking about the "Audrey Hepburn" kind of class --- Jimmy Stewart (loved him, hope he wasn't one of them) gentlemanly kind of class. IMO, I'd rather have class than be right, any day.

You have Class, and your graciousness and hopefulness and encouragement has been very much appreciated by many (I'm sure) that have been in this Drake discussion. So thanks!

[GoodeTXSG]

I think that we ALL need to do other that just “TALK the TALK”, we need to “WALK the WALK” and personally put something on the line.
We need to join the solution or our apathy will be a part of the problem. Think about it and get involved in whatever capacity that you can. Start your own group or theme you do not have to be a follower.

[eyeswideopen]

Yes Unified, you can call me EWO or you can call Steven. I don't like Tofu either. Isn't that the pink slime they have been talking about putting in the meat these days. Ick

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
Geese, more of the "You are Ignorant and I am Not, I am an Intellectual Giant and You are NOT, I am evolved and YOU are NOT... I know and perceive the omniscient TRUTH and YOU do NOT... and I am Humble in my Superior Spiritual State and You are NOT!!! Will it ever stop? Well, human nature and Ego, no I guess NOT!

And this is coming from some of the people’s threads and posts I normally respect. You know who you are… just in the posts from this thread alone... but not limited to just this one.

It is the Actions and not the Words my friends. Anyone can make a clever argument or rebuttal. It is how you react to other points of view and disparaging remarks to YOURS that makes you all of the things you strive to become. That is if YOU truly ARE on an honest path to enlightenment and willing to see your own faults and evolve.

One should always seek and display Wisdom and Your Truth... "Winning" is for Charlie Sheen and his fellow “Tiger Blood” drinkers. Who ever really wins an argument anyway?

Hear ye, hear ye!!

Thank you for this post, can i have another please!?

[Avocadess]

Ishtar, maybe YOU are happy to live in a 21st century version of George Orwell's 1984, but I am not.

I am quite sure I dislike bloodshed as much or more than you do. I am NOT expecting that Drake's 30-to-40-year-old friends whom he trusts are using him to round up patriotic American citizens for FEMA camps.

I still have the ability to TRUST -- and I do trust Drake and his message. And I certainly do NOT trust a "do nothing" attitude. Drake et al. are DOING something about it. I want them to WIN and I believe they and we WILL win.

Geez Louise...!

[Avocadess]

By the way, a number of people on this board are making it VERY clear that my presence is unwelcome here by them. I will stay only so long as I have support from others who take the view that the DRAKE news is GOOD news. They have already all but chased off YvonneG, who had very VALUABLE insights and knows people PERSONALLY who are involved in the "mass arrest" plan.

If this is truly a board full of cynics and disinformation agents, I too will have my limit. I have places I can post where people are a lot more fun to be around. I have "met" at least a half a dozen AWESOME people here, but I am living with enough stress in my own life without PA members doing their best to put down Drake and what he stands for.

I do NOT agree with Drake on all matters, especially regarding corporal punishment for children and executions for even the most heinous murderers. But THAT is quite another topic.

[Molope]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
As explained in a recent show, Drake also has the support of 1.5 million professional/trained civilian militia. Drake is the commander of that militia. Should the U.S. military turn on us, we have ground troops to go to bat for us immediately.

Correct me if im wrong but IF and i hope it doesnt happen but IF that happens woudnt be a civil war? It woud be a war between the militia and the US army or at least part of it i always heard that the change needed not only on US but in the world shoud be Pacific and not by Force.

Thanks.

[StarDust]

Avocadess,

The disbelievers will eventually undergo a paradigm shift as they will have no choice once action is plain for all to see and experience. Their veil shall be lifted in their own time. They are simply misinformed. Indeed, there are those who look to you for the messages you put forth to help others. It's best to give energies to those who seek and embrace your message and disregard those who do not. Rather, see this for what it is. These souls cannot help but feel the same energy that is pouring into your world that you can. They simply interpret it according to their ideological framework. There is no right vs wrong way of perceiving the change; only those who are accepting of the forthcoming change and those who will need to experience it first hand before acknowledging the inevitable. It is the 100th monkey effect on a very grand scale.

[DreamsInDigital]

Posted by Molope (here)

Posted by Avocadess (here)
As explained in a recent show, Drake also has the support of 1.5 million professional/trained civilian militia. Drake is the commander of that militia. Should the U.S. military turn on us, we have ground troops to go to bat for us immediately.

Correct me if im wrong but IF and i hope it doesnt happen but IF that happens woudnt be a civil war? It woud be a war between the militia and the US army or at least part of it i always heard that the change needed not only on US but in the world shoud be Pacific and not by Force.

Thanks.

As has been said already half a million times, the only thing the Cabal understands is Force, this pacifist approach has only served to further along get us deeper into the rabbit hole the Global/Intergalactic Freedom Movement is trying to get the entire planet and 20+ other planets that are in this same mess out of. The Cabal want us to be passive, and just roll over and take it like they think we have been for the thousands of years of their occupation. Anyone that thinks this can be done passively is not aware of the depth or just exactly who we are dealing with here. And, those of us who are aware get crapped on by those that don't want to believe their world just is so much more weirder than even the most "out there" sci-fi movie ever written.

And, no it wont be a Civil War, with the Militias and 90% of the Military and Pentagon, and a huge armada fleet of ET/EDs, there wont be a war. The opposing side just wont stand a chance from the beginning.

[Alie]

Avocadess
I too am VERY appreciate of all your efforts, but have been very frustrated with all the negative as you are saying.

I totally understand how you are feeling --- it would be one thing for respectful disagreement, but some of the disagreeing posts are written in such a way as to assume you and I (among others) are foolish in our enthusiasm and support of the Drake information.

But that's ok. I am who I am, and I believe in, and resonate with, who and what is best for me. Am I wise? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But I seek wisdom.

So please try and not be discouraged.

We can not change those who are unkind. For those that are truly seeking to learn the truth --- we can enter into healthy discussion --- thesis - antithesis -- synthesis. That's very helpful to all of us.

It's immaturity and/or a negative agenda that shows itself as disrespect.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by StarDust (here)
Avocadess,

The disbelievers will eventually undergo a paradigm shift as they will have no choice once action is plain for all to see and experience. Their veil shall be lifted in their own time. They are simply misinformed. Indeed, there are those who look to you for the messages you put forth to help others. It's best to give energies to those who seek and embrace your message and disregard those who do not. Rather, see this for what it is. These souls cannot help but feel the same energy that is pouring into your world that you can. They simply interpret it according to their ideological framework. There is no right vs wrong way of perceiving the change; only those who are accepting of the forthcoming change and those who will need to experience it first hand before acknowledging the inevitable. It is the 100th monkey effect on a very grand scale.

I am not addressing my comments to Avocadess in any way when what I say to this paragraph of support by tearing down the spiritual foundation and thoughts of those who do not embrace the world in the same manner. This same stuff could have been said to any cult leader who had detractors. Saying something does not make it real. I don't know about you, but the last time I looked, I was not a monkey. Monkey's are animals with very limited thinking processes... ever hear the saying, "Monkey see monkey do" or "If your friends jumped off a bridge would you join them?"

My mother was a very smart woman and taught me to think for myself. Demanding evidence, proof and not more legal mumbo jumbo that doesnt' equal anything meaningful once you examine the tripe is called wisdom. Demanding something more than the choir singing the praises of their annointed one to follow along is called spiritual wisdom. For all you who bash us stupid bible believers, you all look an awful lot like zealots to me.

[Unified Serenity]

Words mean nothing without truth. The following would fit well in the Pro Drake camp for despite all their good intentions, there is no proof supporting what Drake is selling.

Being a prophet is a thankless task. Things always exceed what we prophesy. Things are on the move, transforming the prejudices, obscurities, and complexities of the past with a hard, but orderly hand. How can we even begin to say what tomorrow will bring when we can hardly understand what is happening today!

It is however an important principle of clear political judgment that one must be able to understand the future in terms of the past. One must not cling to yesterday, but think about tomorrow, to research, but also to act. Only respect for the past gives one the strength to recognize what is coming. The bourgeois is afraid of action, but is impressed by past successes and victories. He easily forgets the battles that have been won and the things that have been accomplished, since he generally had little to do with planning and executing them. Before something happens he cannot have too much fear, afterwards he has all the courage he needs.

Such great words must have been for a greater work. Sadly, when people are scared they're easily manipulated by their "hearts", and follow an ill fated leader who will cause them nothing but shame, pain and misery.

That quote was another of Joseph Goebbels in 1940.

[StarDust]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
Avocadess,

The disbelievers will eventually undergo a paradigm shift as they will have no choice once action is plain for all to see and experience. Their veil shall be lifted in their own time. They are simply misinformed. Indeed, there are those who look to you for the messages you put forth to help others. It's best to give energies to those who seek and embrace your message and disregard those who do not. Rather, see this for what it is. These souls cannot help but feel the same energy that is pouring into your world that you can. They simply interpret it according to their ideological framework. There is no right vs wrong way of perceiving the change; only those who are accepting of the forthcoming change and those who will need to experience it first hand before acknowledging the inevitable. It is the 100th monkey effect on a very grand scale.

I am not addressing my comments to Avocadess in any way when what I say to this paragraph of support by tearing down the spiritual foundation and thoughts of those who do not embrace the world in the same manner. This same stuff could have been said to any cult leader who had detractors. Saying something does not make it real. I don't know about you, but the last time I looked, I was not a monkey. Monkey's are animals with very limited thinking processes... ever hear the saying, "Monkey see monkey do" or "If your friends jumped off a bridge would you join them?"

My mother was a very smart woman and taught me to think for myself. Demanding evidence, proof and not more legal mumbo jumbo that doesnt' equal anything meaningful once you examine the tripe is called wisdom. Demanding something more than the choir singing the praises of their annointed one to follow along is called spiritual wisdom. For all you who bash us stupid bible believers, you all look an awful lot like zealots to me.

My comment to Avocadess was not pointed at you or any other. The fact that it resonated within you sould cause pause to ponder why that is so. I care not what your disagreements are, and was ONLY responding to her call for help.

I think you should google the "100th monkey effect". My response to Avocadess was a statement effecting collective consciousness and not intended to call you or any other a "monkey". As the wise do, think before you speak!

The shift is happening around you regardless of how much you fight it within your mind and cannot be stopped. You're alignment within the shift will occur in your own time. This is the process and is not a debate regardless of perception. I wish upon you nothing but positivity in your search.

In love & light in service to the ONE infinate creator,
SD

[Ishtar]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I have places I can post where people are a lot more fun to be around. I have "met" at least a half a dozen AWESOME people here, but I am living with enough stress in my own life without PA members doing their best to put down Drake and what he stands for.

Is that what this should be then to you, Avocadess? FUN?

You sound like you're just trying to drum up support for a charity yard sale, or a church raffle at a bring-and-buy sale, and can't understand why people aren't co-operating and joining in.

I'm sorry this isn't much fun for you, but we are talking about the potentiality of hundreds if not thousands of people getting killed here, so we're taking it seriously.

Do you have any idea about the stakes at play here?

You say:

"Drake also has the support of 1.5 million professional/trained civilian militia. Drake is the commander of that militia. Should the U.S. military turn on us, we have ground troops to go to bat for us immediately."

Well firstly, you don't know that. It is just what he says.

But secondly, what is a civilian militia with guns even worth against the huge array of the advanced military weaponry and technology of tthe powers that be? The ptb wouldn't even have to show up to attack. They'd just send an unmanned drone over. Your militia could be in Pennsylvania but your attackers would be in New Mexico. They would be able to easily put down any insurrection at no risk to themselves and still be home in time for tea.

What's going on, on Project Avalon with relation to Drake, is not just a fun get together ... some of us are really very concerned about what Drake is proposing and what it would mean.

Personally, I think he's in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks that the 'machine can stop' for three days, with no money, no power and no food and water. There will be looting on a huge scale (to say the least) and those of a criminal mindset will have their way, just as they did in that stadium that you told us about in New Orleans after Katrina.

I really felt for you when I read your account of that. But don't you understand that if Drake's action goes ahead, the whole country will be turned over to that same state of anarchy that you experienced in that stadium? There will be murder, rape, looting, gang grudge fights ....basically whole cities will spin out of the control. People will try to grab what they can for themselves and there will be no reasoning with them. We saw a small taste of this last summer, here in the UK, so I know what it looks and feels like.

So I'm sorry that some of us are not much fun to be around at the moment, but I hope now, at least, you can understand why.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I have places I can post where people are a lot more fun to be around. I have "met" at least a half a dozen AWESOME people here, but I am living with enough stress in my own life without PA members doing their best to put down Drake and what he stands for.

I'm sorry if you're going through some stuff Avocadess, but big claims such as those made by Drake require a great deal of scrutiny. Big claims need big evidence. If some people might be inclined to accept what Drake says as it is then they are fine to do that, but anybody who requires more support for what would otherwise be unfounded assertions is not being out of place asking for such support, surely?