The Drake paperwork is posted - FreedomReigns

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Avocadess (here)

I still have the ability to TRUST -- and I do trust Drake and his message. And I certainly do NOT trust a "do nothing" attitude. Drake et al. are DOING something about it. I want them to WIN and I believe they and we WILL win.

Geez Louise...!

Besides talking a good story and notaraizing some useless papers, what are they doing really? We all talk and educate others whom we meet. Just what is Drake doing that is physical and tangible and that you can prove besides, "He said it in an interview and my heart believes him"?

[aranuk]

In my entire life I have never seen a UFO, an ET of any race whatsoever. However, I don't go into threads where people discuss those subjects and post insulting words to the effect that the people who do, need their brains looked at and are very gullible people. Why do I not do that you may ask? The answer is this, I do not like insulting other peoples intelligence and also their feelings. From what I have heard, and read in the last year after joining Avalon, there are many people who have seen UFO's and met ET's and have given testimony. Although I personally haven't seen any such things, I believe they are telling the truth. Do I go from UFO thread to thread, butting into a thread accusing all the folks there to being gullible and not using their discernment? Of course I dont. I respect people too much for that kind of behaviour. Please be respectful to the Drake believers and allow us to blether. If I did do these things on a UFO thread I am sure I would be reported to the Mods and be told I was a troll.

Stan

[eyeswideopen]

Well Avocadess, I for one really like your cheery smile and I like the way you think. Trust in what is going on is good medicine for anyone. I have been in contact with folks in my state about the paperwork, docs and have witnessed the truth here in this state so I do see the things going on. You can access your state through the freedom reigns web site and contact others through the forum. That way you get to see what is happening around you alot closer.

There certainly is alot of folks that will always have doubts about anything because that is the way we have been conditioned for so long. It takes alot of slapping up along side the head for someone to finally wake up. These folks, and I am one of the human race, are doing their best to search or give their own advice, as to what they see, to all of us around. I love them for this. We get to have so much different view points and it is healthy for all of us.

Now as for that paperwork, I know folks that do know alot about the docs and are using that as we speak to make things work locally. I do know that the Apostilles are used because that does put any document into the international realm. I personally have recieved apostilles on documents that I recorded into the public realm. So to reiterate some what, the folks that are doubting and confusing the issue of these documents, perhaps should search how they are possible by looking at the original federalist papers and constitution. How does anyone think that we first got started as a Repulic in this country? We can notice the international what we are doing and intend to do and it is "Lawful" maybe not legal but Lawful, check it out please.

Avocadess, I enjoy your discourse and would hate to see you leave.

Thank you

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by StarDust (here)

My comment to Avocadess was not pointed at you or any other. The fact that it resonated within you sould cause pause to ponder why that is so. I care not what your disagreements are, and was ONLY responding to her call for help.

Your comments were directed at those who disagree and speak against what is being sold and I am one of those people. You can talk all you want in general terms of "them" "those" but if I am one of them or those who do not join in the kumbayah fest with you and Avocadess, then your comments are directed and pretty confrontational, but I can take the heat, and give some back. I think some of us are tired of having monkey poo flung at us and get about 5 ft deep in your poop and so we start throwing it back. You all are supposedly aligning with a movement to take on the most powerful government the world has ever faced and yet a few people on a forum raising questions and expressing their concerns is enough to make the "spokeswomen" for the Society of Patriot Drake run away. I have little faith if his most ardent supporters are so easily sent packing as to what will happen when REAL push back comes should anyone actually try some really direct means of taking the country back from the scum now controlling it!

I think you should google the "100th monkey effect".

Just because I don't line up at the kool-aid counter does not mean I am ignorant of the propaganda. I read the 100th monkey story a long time ago. It's nice, it is encouranging to keep following the path of truth, but it does not mean that what Drake or any New Age Wisdom chefs are cooking up is truth.

My response to Avocadess was a statement effecting collective consciousness and not intended to call you or any other a "monkey". As the wise do, think before you speak!

I'm not insulted by the prospect of calling people monkeys and taht was not in my thoughts at all. I am insulted that you and those like you seem to think anyone who is raising concerns, recognizing propaganda, and asking for proof and no real proof comes as people who are blind, asleep, ignorant, and just don't get "it". I think a lot before I speak, I wish you all would think before you let your hearts run away with a good yarn spinner.

The shift is happening around you regardless of how much you fight it within your mind and cannot be stopped. You're alignment within the shift will occur in your own time. This is the process and is not a debate regardless of perception. I wish upon you nothing but positivity in your search.

I think the shift you are about to see is not what you have envisioned. In fact, I do believe many before you have said similar things when shysters and snake oil salesmen were peddling a new religion, a new thinking method etc.. I am sure millions thought Hitler was wonderful and had nothing but the best in mind for the world and they were able to understand before the rest of us knuckle dragging red-necks could fathom. I have not said Drake is good or bad. I have asked for more than a story, just like I did with other "guru" "leaders" who pop in here every other month, and with time are all proven to be dust in the wind, and not heard from anymore. The best lies are sold with 90% truth. I and others have asked direct questions, pointed out shifting information, and noticed a distinct lack of anything verifiable. When a leader appears and cannot answer basic questions without dancing around the mulberry bush for 5 minutes, my bullsh*t meter goes off.

You an I both want the same thing. I am not going to follow just because someone comes in waving the freedom banner. I can tell you right now, the PTB are extremely intelligent and know how to corral the sheep under a hundred different banners all going over the same friggin cliff.

I do wish you peace, understanding and wisdom as well.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by aranuk (here)
. Please be respectful to the Drake believers and allow us to blether. If I did do these things on a UFO thread I am sure I would be reported to the Mods and be told I was a troll.

Stan

Stan,

Just because someone asks for proof, evidence and questions changing stories does not make them disrespectful. I also believe that if you want a respectful thread with shared communication than you have to give it as well. I am not speaking of YOU stan, but the general term you. I watch as people jump on a subject very excited and throw in their support and as soon as someone comes in with a wet blanket and shows the holes in the story, they (the wet blanket bearer) get's pelted with "You're so negative" "You are just ignorant" or the wonderful unnamed targets of "They" "Them", "Those" are X,Y,Z are (add your favorite insulting adjective or noun). And then when the poo gets flung back the most worshipful followers accuse the one's doubting the story of being mean spirited, hateful, and not helping foster a positive environment. We read the threads we have been asked not to voice our thoughts on and see the nasty things said about us and our views.

If the love and light most worshipful followers don't want to have poo flung quit throwing it in our direction.

[NancyV]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
By the way, a number of people on this board are making it VERY clear that my presence is unwelcome here by them. I will stay only so long as I have support from others who take the view that the DRAKE news is GOOD news. They have already all but chased off YvonneG, who had very VALUABLE insights and knows people PERSONALLY who are involved in the "mass arrest" plan.

If this is truly a board full of cynics and disinformation agents, I too will have my limit. I have places I can post where people are a lot more fun to be around. I have "met" at least a half a dozen AWESOME people here, but I am living with enough stress in my own life without PA members doing their best to put down Drake and what he stands for.

I do NOT agree with Drake on all matters, especially regarding corporal punishment for children and executions for even the most heinous murderers. But THAT is quite another topic.

I doubt that anyone feels your presence is unwelcome here. That's probably an insecurity projection on your part. I happen to enjoy your enthusiasm, your passion for this cause, the fantastic amount of work you do and the time you spend to help out in what you think is a noble cause. Just because I don't agree that the cause has as much chance as an icicle in hell to survive doesn't mean I am upset or offended that you are hopeful and/or convinced it will succeed. Just because I think Drake is talking a lot of hogwash with much of what he says, doesn't mean I don't like you because you believe him.

It's not personal at all for me and I happen to love looking at your gorgeous smile filled with light, so I sure don't want you to leave just because you aren't having fun. Maybe you might expand your ideas of fun to include lively debate? It can be a lot of fun and certainly good practice in defending your beliefs when being argued with. It can either help your beliefs solidify or maybe open you to other possibilities, but if you quit and only hang out with yaysayers you block some potentially important information you would not otherwise be exposed to. You also lose a chance to debate with those who have brought up some excellent points and presented some factual information and some opinions. We do have a lot of very intelligent and spiritually aware posters. Of course no one is right all of the time. Before we totally commit to a cause it helps to look at all the available info about both pros and cons. It definitely helps to find out the FACTS, if there are any. If there are no facts then you have to go entirely on belief. Beliefs are personal and not factual.

Many people here appreciate you and I also appreciate you, I just don't agree with you. By staying you may get a few people to be more open to believing Drake...probably not me, but maybe some others. Of course if what Drake says comes to pass I will gladly admit I was an idiot for thinking it won't happen. (I won't eat my hat like Bill and I almost wish Drake turns out to be right so we can see Bill eat his hat!) LOL...I laugh about all the times I was silly for believing someone, with almost no proof, who said major changes were imminent....similar to what Drake is stating now. So I will have no problem admitting I was wrong again and laughing about it, but this time would be because I don't find Drake's rather outrageous claims to be credible.

There will always be those who don't agree with you on a public forum. I think both negative and positive opinions of the Drake scenario have been quite interesting and obviously everyone's point of view is allowed to be expressed. I prefer to have absolute believe in nothing and I really don't care what the outcome of this will be, but I am going to enjoy watching it unfold. There are usually good lessons for all involved in these types of scenarios.....and that's probably one of the things we're here for: playing different games, learning lessons AND hopefully having fun doing it. Of course a bloody war wouldn't be a lot of fun while engaged in it. Arresting, deposing and replacing the entire government won't likely be accomplished without many thousands dying.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by Avocadess (here)
By the way, a number of people on this board are making it VERY clear that my presence is unwelcome here by them. I will stay only so long as I have support from others who take the view that the DRAKE news is GOOD news. They have already all but chased off YvonneG, who had very VALUABLE insights and knows people PERSONALLY who are involved in the "mass arrest" plan.

If this is truly a board full of cynics and disinformation agents, I too will have my limit. I have places I can post where people are a lot more fun to be around. I have "met" at least a half a dozen AWESOME people here, but I am living with enough stress in my own life without PA members doing their best to put down Drake and what he stands for.

I do NOT agree with Drake on all matters, especially regarding corporal punishment for children and executions for even the most heinous murderers. But THAT is quite another topic.

I doubt that anyone feels your presence is unwelcome here. That's probably an insecurity projection on your part. I happen to enjoy your enthusiasm, your passion for this cause, the fantastic amount of work you do and the time you spend to help out in what you think is a noble cause. Just because I don't agree that the cause has as much chance as an icicle in hell to survive doesn't mean I am upset or offended that you are hopeful and/or convinced it will succeed. Just because I think Drake is talking a lot of hogwash with much of what he says, doesn't mean I don't like you because you believe him.

It's not personal at all for me and I happen to love looking at your gorgeous smile filled with light, so I sure don't want you to leave just because you aren't having fun. Maybe you might expand your ideas of fun to include lively debate? It can be a lot of fun and certainly good practice in defending your beliefs when being argued with. It can either help your beliefs solidify or maybe open you to other possibilities, but if you quit and only hang out with yaysayers you block some potentially important information you would not otherwise be exposed to. You also lose a chance to debate with those who have brought up some excellent points and presented some factual information and some opinions. We do have a lot of very intelligent and spiritually aware posters. Of course no one is right all of the time. Before we totally commit to a cause it helps to look at all the available info about both pros and cons. It definitely helps to find out the FACTS, if there are any. If there are no facts then you have to go entirely on belief. Beliefs are personal and not factual.

Many people here appreciate you and I also appreciate you, I just don't agree with you. By staying you may get a few people to be more open to believing Drake...probably not me, but maybe some others. Of course if what Drake says comes to pass I will gladly admit I was an idiot for thinking it won't happen. (I won't eat my hat like Bill and I almost wish Drake turns out to be right so we can see Bill eat his hat!) LOL...I laugh about all the times I was silly for believing someone, with almost no proof, who said major changes were imminent....similar to what Drake is stating now. So I will have no problem admitting I was wrong again and laughing about it, but this time would be because I don't find Drake's rather outrageous claims to be credible.

There will always be those who don't agree with you on a public forum. I think both negative and positive opinions of the Drake scenario have been quite interesting and obviously everyone's point of view is allowed to be expressed. I prefer to have absolute believe in nothing and I really don't care what the outcome of this will be, but I am going to enjoy watching it unfold. There are usually good lessons for all involved in these types of scenarios.....and that's probably one of the things we're here for: playing different games, learning lessons AND hopefully having fun doing it. Of course a bloody war wouldn't be a lot of fun while engaged in it. Arresting, deposing and replacing the entire government won't likely be accomplished without many thousands dying.

See, you said everything so well Nancy, I think I need to go to the Nancy school of Diplomacy. I nominate Nancy as the New International Diplomat for the rehabilitated United States of America once we get our feces collated. I agree with all you just said, and I don't want anyone to leave the forum either. I just like non-emotional debate, and when **** flies, it tends to hit a fan, and get's spread everywhere. Thanks for saying what I have thought, and did not put into words Nancy.

[Ishtar]

I'm learning a lot from the Nancy School of Diplomacy too, US.

Now I've just got to figure out how to do it.

I fear it may be too late and my direct, cut-and-thrust style too engrained. I've been on discussion forums too long, maybe.

However, I will make the effort.

[StarDust]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Your comments were directed at those who disagree and speak against what is being sold and I am one of those people. You can talk all you want in general terms of "them" "those" but if I am one of them or those who do not join in the kumbayah fest with you and Avocadess, then your comments are directed and pretty confrontational, but I can take the heat, and give some back. I think some of us are tired of having monkey poo flung at us and get about 5 ft deep in your poop and so we start throwing it back. You all are supposedly aligning with a movement to take on the most powerful government the world has ever faced and yet a few people on a forum raising questions and expressing their concerns is enough to make the "spokeswomen" for the Society of Patriot Drake run away. I have little faith if his most ardent supporters are so easily sent packing as to what will happen when REAL push back comes should anyone actually try some really direct means of taking the country back from the scum now controlling it!

No, my comments were aimed at Avocadess. It is clear that you are combative and you wish to pick a fight where there is none. Your comments and inclusion in a discussion about Drake have no meaning or impact on what is going on. It is clear that you are filled with vast amounts of anger and fear; and I wish you well processing them. If you had any notion how important it is to process those aspects of yourself through forgiveness, then you would be spending your time working on those aspects of self instead of picking arguments over something that you have no ability to impact. I acknowledge that they are a part of your experience and serve a purpose on your path. However, they are part of a passing paradigm and will serve no purpose in the near future. So you might as well sit back in your easy chair and watch the ascension process unfold until you have enough proof to move beyond your fear. Or you can continue to live in fear, that is your choice and I have no desire to impact that choice.

Just because I don't line up at the kool-aid counter does not mean I am ignorant of the propaganda. I read the 100th monkey story a long time ago. It's nice, it is encouranging to keep following the path of truth, but it does not mean that what Drake or any New Age Wisdom chefs are cooking up is truth.

Your use of colloquial terms like "kool-aid" and "propaganda" reveal your leaning and demonstrate that your level of understanding as sophomoric at best. You may have "read" the basics of the sociological study, however, it is clear that you have no understanding of collective consciousness or how that aspect is paramount to an understanding of The Law of ONE.

I'm not insulted by the prospect of calling people monkeys and taht was not in my thoughts at all. I am insulted that you and those like you seem to think anyone who is raising concerns, recognizing propaganda, and asking for proof and no real proof comes as people who are blind, asleep, ignorant, and just don't get "it". I think a lot before I speak, I wish you all would think before you let your hearts run away with a good yarn spinner.

I would never insult anyone by calling them a monkey and I have no desire to convince you or any other of the process unfolding before you. That is not part of my assignment during this incarnation. You may not like the message I have been charged with sharing with those who seek. And you may continue to attempt to knock down the messenger. But you are powerless to do so and thus will accomplish very little by trying.

I think the shift you are about to see is not what you have envisioned. In fact, I do believe many before you have said similar things when shysters and snake oil salesmen were peddling a new religion, a new thinking method etc.. I am sure millions thought Hitler was wonderful and had nothing but the best in mind for the world and they were able to understand before the rest of us knuckle dragging red-necks could fathom. I have not said Drake is good or bad. I have asked for more than a story, just like I did with other "guru" "leaders" who pop in here every other month, and with time are all proven to be dust in the wind, and not heard from anymore. The best lies are sold with 90% truth. I and others have asked direct questions, pointed out shifting information, and noticed a distinct lack of anything verifiable. When a leader appears and cannot answer basic questions without dancing around the mulberry bush for 5 minutes, my bullsh*t meter goes off.

The shift I have incarnated to assist with is precisely the shift that will occur-that decision was made in 2010 by the collective consciousness which is Gaia. It is based on no religion and is the shift that has been planned from before earth time existed and was foretold by the ancients over 13,000 years ago to the Mayans and Native American traditions, among many others. Your understanding of this process is not required.

You an I both want the same thing. I am not going to follow just because someone comes in waving the freedom banner. I can tell you right now, the PTB are extremely intelligent and know how to corral the sheep under a hundred different banners all going over the same friggin cliff.

No one is requesting/requiring you to "follow" anyone/anything. But do note that you are clearly not in a position to lead and that leaves only one position remaining. You are an observer which is just fine from the viewpoint of the collective. So enjoy your view from the peanut gallery…the show is about to commence irrespective of your vociferous nature!

[NancyV]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I'm learning a lot from the Nancy School of Diplomacy too, US.

Now I've just got to figure out how to do it.

I fear it may be too late and my direct, cut-and-thrust style too engrained. I've been on discussion forums too long, maybe.

However, I will make the effort.

Thanks, Ishtar and also Unified Serenety! LOL... Actually I'm only diplomatic on forums. In person I bet I'm a LOT nastier than either of you two. I probably am older than you and I've had a few more years to hone my nastiness. Of course I could be mellowing out a bit with old age. I really don't LIKE being diplomatic but we're not supposed to use the "F" word here.

Nancy

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Your comments were directed at those who disagree and speak against what is being sold and I am one of those people. You can talk all you want in general terms of "them" "those" but if I am one of them or those who do not join in the kumbayah fest with you and Avocadess, then your comments are directed and pretty confrontational, but I can take the heat, and give some back. I think some of us are tired of having monkey poo flung at us and get about 5 ft deep in your poop and so we start throwing it back. You all are supposedly aligning with a movement to take on the most powerful government the world has ever faced and yet a few people on a forum raising questions and expressing their concerns is enough to make the "spokeswomen" for the Society of Patriot Drake run away. I have little faith if his most ardent supporters are so easily sent packing as to what will happen when REAL push back comes should anyone actually try some really direct means of taking the country back from the scum now controlling it!

No, my comments were aimed at Avocadess. It is clear that you are combative and you wish to pick a fight where there is none. Your comments and inclusion in a discussion about Drake have no meaning or impact on what is going on. It is clear that you are filled with vast amounts of anger and fear; and I wish you well processing them. If you had any notion how important it is to process those aspects of yourself through forgiveness, then you would be spending your time working on those aspects of self instead of picking arguments over something that you have no ability to impact. I acknowledge that they are a part of your experience and serve a purpose on your path. However, they are part of a passing paradigm and will serve no purpose in the near future. So you might as well sit back in your easy chair and watch the ascension process unfold until you have enough proof to move beyond your fear. Or you can continue to live in fear, that is your choice and I have no desire to impact that choice.

Just because I don't line up at the kool-aid counter does not mean I am ignorant of the propaganda. I read the 100th monkey story a long time ago. It's nice, it is encouranging to keep following the path of truth, but it does not mean that what Drake or any New Age Wisdom chefs are cooking up is truth.

Your use of colloquial terms like "kool-aid" and "propaganda" reveal your leaning and demonstrate that your level of understanding as sophomoric at best. You may have "read" the basics of the sociological study, however, it is clear that you have no understanding of collective consciousness or how that aspect is paramount to an understanding of The Law of ONE.

I'm not insulted by the prospect of calling people monkeys and taht was not in my thoughts at all. I am insulted that you and those like you seem to think anyone who is raising concerns, recognizing propaganda, and asking for proof and no real proof comes as people who are blind, asleep, ignorant, and just don't get "it". I think a lot before I speak, I wish you all would think before you let your hearts run away with a good yarn spinner.

I would never insult anyone by calling them a monkey and I have no desire to convince you or any other of the process unfolding before you. That is not part of my assignment during this incarnation. You may not like the message I have been charged with sharing with those who seek. And you may continue to attempt to knock down the messenger. But you are powerless to do so and thus will accomplish very little by trying.

I think the shift you are about to see is not what you have envisioned. In fact, I do believe many before you have said similar things when shysters and snake oil salesmen were peddling a new religion, a new thinking method etc.. I am sure millions thought Hitler was wonderful and had nothing but the best in mind for the world and they were able to understand before the rest of us knuckle dragging red-necks could fathom. I have not said Drake is good or bad. I have asked for more than a story, just like I did with other "guru" "leaders" who pop in here every other month, and with time are all proven to be dust in the wind, and not heard from anymore. The best lies are sold with 90% truth. I and others have asked direct questions, pointed out shifting information, and noticed a distinct lack of anything verifiable. When a leader appears and cannot answer basic questions without dancing around the mulberry bush for 5 minutes, my bullsh*t meter goes off.

The shift I have incarnated to assist with is precisely the shift that will occur-that decision was made in 2010 by the collective consciousness which is Gaia. It is based on no religion and is the shift that has been planned from before earth time existed was foretold by the ancients over 13,000 years ago to the Mayans and Native American traditions, among many others. Your understanding of this process is not required.

You an I both want the same thing. I am not going to follow just because someone comes in waving the freedom banner. I can tell you right now, the PTB are extremely intelligent and know how to corral the sheep under a hundred different banners all going over the same friggin cliff.

No one is requesting/requiring you to "follow" anyone/anything. But do note that you are clearly not in a position to lead and that leaves only one position remaining. You are an observer which is just fine from the viewpoint of the collective. So enjoy your view from the peanut gallery…the show is about to commence irrespective of your vociferous nature!

I must say you have earned your graduate degree in flinging poo, and your words no matter how positive sounding only remind me of a creature we in the South call a Southern Lady. Oh, she can talk **** about everyone in the neighborhood and in the end of the coffee cake meeting walk off and appear graceful and sweet, but all the other women in the room know to keep kevlar on their backs and to never trust her beyond the point they could pick her up and throw her.

I enjoy mirroring the poo at times, because the very one's who profess such love and light get so dearly offended and never once call their own on the **** which they started long before I tossed some back. So, I will enjoy sitting in the peanut gallery and watching for I am a watchman and am well aware of much. Thanks for so much confirmation in the energy with which you imbued your response. I do like another forum members quote, "Offense can never be given, it can only be taken."

[indigopete]

Hello

I'm new on here, but have been a lurker for yonks. I got myself a posting membership because I became alarmed at how universally the Drake stuff was being embraced with so little examination.

I don't think it needs to become a contentious issue (not least because so little is known about the true nature of his reports) but I do think people need to be aware of "strangers bearing free gifts". I mean how many red flags do we need ?

I actually enjoy listening to Drake / Fulford interviews, mainly because they are discussing an agenda that interests me and is ignored by the mainstream. I also think that Drake has a lot of great ideas. However, that doesn't mean I have to take what they say regarding mass arrest literaly (and I definitely don't !). There are plenty of hints in their accounts that indicate this is nothing more than a plan without legs. There may be 10 people or more involved but I doubt there are thousands including the joint chiefs of staff.

Apart from that, I'm surprised that people actually "want" to be saved in this manner. Put it this way, if this plan really was "of and for the people" the people would know about it because they would have created it.

Meanwhile, on a positive note, there is major change of a true kind going on on the planet and has been for the last 100 years. The kind of change that comes from individuals making a difference in their own lives and which aggregates to huge geopolitical changes. The kind that does not involve clandestine secrets, militia, executions or "faith" in those who purport to be rescuing us.

During the last few months, the head of one of the worlds most powerful media organisations has been humbled in front of 2 committees and had 16 of his editors/senior journalists arrested. Nothing to do with the Drake/Wilcock purported agenda - all because some regular folks stopped buying tickets with Easy Jet airlines until they stopped advertising in his newspapers.

I really hope that more people will wake up and "smell the coffee" as to their own innate freedom and power to change things instead of giving it away in the form of misplaced hope in the tales of travelling salesmen.

Pete

[aranuk]

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I'm learning a lot from the Nancy School of Diplomacy too, US.

Now I've just got to figure out how to do it.

I fear it may be too late and my direct, cut-and-thrust style too engrained. I've been on discussion forums too long, maybe.

However, I will make the effort.

Thanks, Ishtar and also Unified Serenety! LOL... Actually I'm only diplomatic on forums. In person I bet I'm a LOT nastier than either of you two. I probably am older than you and I've had a few more years to hone my nastiness. Of course I could be mellowing out a bit with old age. I really don't LIKE being diplomatic but we're not supposed to use the "F" word here.

Nancy

By your own words are you known. You nasty woman.

Stan

[StarDust]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I must say you have earned your graduate degree in flinging poo, and your words no matter how positive sounding only remind me of a creature we in the South call a Southern Lady. Oh, she can talk **** about everyone in the neighborhood and in the end of the coffee cake meeting walk off and appear graceful and sweet, but all the other women in the room know to keep kevlar on their backs and to never trust her beyond the point they could pick her up and throw her.

I enjoy mirroring the poo at times, because the very one's who profess such love and light get so dearly offended and never once call their own on the **** which they started long before I tossed some back. So, I will enjoy sitting in the peanut gallery and watching for I am a watchman and am well aware of much. Thanks for so much confirmation in the energy with which you imbued your response. I do like another forum members quote, "Offense can never be given, it can only be taken."

Yes, you are correct. There is little excuse for functioning from within a lower vibratory frequency to engage the uninitated even when in defense of another. Point well noted and I certainly hope you enjoy the show!

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[modwiz]

The Archons are at work and are doing what they do. Use people.

Supporters of paradigm change stay strong, because we will get the government we deserve. The reason we have a sucky, negative government in the first place is very much on display. I have never seen a strong supporter of the kind of politicians who promised more law and order, but there are millions who have clamored, voted and received such politicians. Nasty pieces of work that have led the way to the kind of oligarchic, criminal corporatocracy we have today.

All politicians are in on the fix, some play the bleeding hearts and others play the heartless. The heartless ones have had a lot of support. Voting machines may be rigged, but talk radio thrived on this vitriol of those tuning into it. Media heads saw the trend and rigged the elections to make sure they looked something like the mood of the country. We are now in a free fall, wild West situation.
Some of us know what it will take to break this stranglehold and others beg to differ. The Archontic influence can present a situation where those bringing the vibration down are unaware of their actions and consequences and actually believe they are only presenting reason and balance.

So, who am I going to believe, the naysayers or my lying eyes?

My lying eyes.

Thank you to those hold the sky open to allow some light into a very dark situation. Heroes never have much company, just lots of places where the crap has hit them.

[Ishtar]

Thanks for posting, Pete.

I think that's an excellent first post.

It's music to my ears to hear such a down-to-earth, clear headed and common sense argument that doesn't rely on manipulation through suspicion and fear of Archons, Orcs, Elves or Dragons ...or any other assorted bogeymen .....to make it's case, but on faith in the self-empowerment of the individual.

As you say:

Meanwhile, on a positive note, there is major change of a true kind going on on the planet and has been for the last 100 years. The kind of change that comes from individuals making a difference in their own lives and which aggregates to huge geopolitical changes. The kind that does not involve clandestine secrets, militia, executions or "faith" in those who purport to be rescuing us.

I hope your lurking days are over!

[StarDust]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I will enjoy sitting in the peanut gallery and watching for I am a watchman and am well aware of much.

Your programming is unveiled:

http://www.watchman.org/

[sdv]

To all those Drake supporters:

I respect that your truth may be 'let's stick it to the bad guys and hang them up and dance and celebrate under their bodies' but I don't want you running my town!

I respect that you see Drake as some kind of prophet and he makes you feel so good and your intuition tells you he is the real thing, but I don't want you running my town!

I respect that you don't care if his claims are over and over again shown to be bogus hogwash (just don't stand up under scrutiny), but I don't want you running my townn!

... and so on.

What Drake is proposing, and what you are supporting, is a take over of at least some states in the USA. The people who do not share your truth have a right to say 'I don't want you running my town'.

But have you considered (and what I have seen in many of the posts on this thread) that the naysayers and all those horrible negative folks are concerned about your safety? If you go around making wild accusations against people they can sue you for libel. Of course, Drake and the 'White Hats' hide behind secrecy to protect themselves. Do you think that Drake and the 'White Hats' will come to court and defend you? if Drake is successful in getting people to stage some ill advised coup, who do you think is going to get hurt? You are, not Drake. Even plotting such a coup could put you in danger (not Drake and the 'White Hats' because they hide behind secrecy), and the naysayers see that you are putting yourself in danger for something that is not real (has no integrity or basis in reality). In any revolution/liberation people put themselves at risk, but what the naysayers see that this is not a revolution/liberation, yet it carries the same risks for you as if it was. If you are going to put yourself at risk, then do so for real, not for an obvious hoax.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I will enjoy sitting in the peanut gallery and watching for I am a watchman and am well aware of much.

Your programming is unveiled:

http://www.watchman.org/

Rolling my eyes, you think that explains anything about me? Ok, well enjoy your delusion. Truth is truth no matter who says it. Whether I like you or not or you like me or not, truth no matter how loud, soft, grumpy or sweet is truth, and I am amazed at how many people take offense by someone speaking their truth and chastise them for it. We are all sovereigns. I care not what you think of me for I am not changing because of your thoughts, jibes, sarcasm, low vibrations etc..

You all speak of love and light, being positive, and unified and yet you spew such vile words about any who disagree with you, and then you take offense when we give back what was yours to begin with, the crap you flung our way. Tell me stardust, do you know me? Do you have the faintest idea of my path and my heart? I speak things that are hard to hear out of love. I would just love to sit around agreeing and not making waves that rock someone's serene pond, but if I see something I feel is real and do not say anything then I will feel responsible. When you and I face each other, you cannot see behind you, but I can, and I cannot see behind me, but you can.

Let's pretend I see a beautiful thing happening behind you, but you see something terrible coming my way. Should you stay quiet because I tell you what is coming up behind you is beautiful and you just say, "Oh yes, it is so lovely" or how about there is a whole group facing one another. Should only those who see what is good speak up and the rest of us shut our eyes to the evil we see? How do you know you have 100% correct vision and should ignore those who are seeing many parallels to proven ill omens, pointing out issues etc? Because it might disturb you vision of whatever you are seeing?

If that is so, then you and I are vastly different. If I see someone headed into an accident I will speak up and try to give warning. If they don't want to listen then I can do no more.

[StarDust]

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!