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    Default Change of heart regarding Drake/Wilcock/Fulford and The Plan

    EDIT: 2012-05-11 I promised I would not change my position again - that was stupid and I won't make that promise anymore. Based on the last week's events I have had to change my position again - check these two posts -

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post486469

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post486562


    EDIT - 2012-04-29 1:18 PM EDT - I realize I will have to make this opening post a living post as new information comes forth and as my position shifts - I will always include in my edits the Date/Time of the edits as well as what Post Number the thread is at as to assist those who have found interest in my thread.

    The following is my original post - 2012-04-28 at 7:21 PM EDT

    I apologize I must not only publicly state my position change, but I must create a new thread to do so. Who am I? Nobody… but because I was such a rabid cheerleader for Drake and the Plan I had to create a specific thread stating my change of heart and the reasons why.

    The first reason – Bill Ryan’s doubts.

    Bill has been around. Bill experienced the Charles episode first hand.

    Because of all the videos Bill has made (and in which he has participated), it is hard to not have a sense of knowing Bill. I trust his experience and intuition.

    Bill has stated he will eat his hat and put it on youtube if The Plan actually happens. Bill suggested in a post to check out this site that appears to be a well researched alternative news/commentary portal - Joel Skousen
    www.worldaffairsbrief.com

    I followed his advice, accessed the site and requested the free mailing which addressed the Drake/Wilcock/Fullford claims. To honor their copyright I cannot post the article, but I suggest you go get your free mailing like I did. The author makes several compelling arguments that The Plan is all (ok I will say “likely”) bogus.

    The second reason – the Jim Sparks interview

    Again thanks to Bill and also Kerry when they were doing Camelot together, I watched an interview of Jim Sparks - http://projectcamelot.org/jim_sparks.html

    I apologize that I cannot recall which of the two interviews I heard this argument but here was the gist of it.

    It would be virtually impossible to do a high level house cleaning because if that is done, a great deal of lateral guilty parties would be exposed. Think of all the people who have family members who have been directly harmed and think of all the retribution these harmed families would want. For decades people have been murdered over keeping things quiet regarding the UFO/alien stuff alone and people are people and they would want “justice.” It would just be too massive to pull it all off as it would cascade down several levels – Literally hundreds of thousands of people would have various levels of guilt – just too, too massive.

    I will now cover Drake for a moment. I have not changed my view of Drake, the person. I like Drake and I believe he 100% believes this will happen. I also believe he has contacts he trusts and believes are in such sufficient numbers and positions that the Plan is actually real. This worries me as now I am beginning to fear that this Plan could actually be a setup such that a mini revolt could actually kick off and that would be the excuse needed for actual martial law imposition. Again, I believe Drake is 99% sincere and the real deal though I doubt the Plan would ever go operational but if it did, I would bet it’s a big setup and we would all be losers.

    The third reason I no longer believe this plan is for real is because of my own experiences which have led me to conclude I have been under significant influence of the Archons, thus I can speak first hand as to their effects – One component of the Archonic influence is that they and those under their influence create messianic figures. I have battled this complex personally and I sense the same thing could have blossomed in Drake. I conclude this after reading enough about Drake’s past in a thread by Vivek. I am convinced that Drake has likely been influenced by the Archons which makes him perfect for a setup like the Plan. Again, I say this based on my own experience and the materials Drake has authored that are readily found on the internet.

    For Vivek’s thread – Look here

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Royal-Dragon

    For an excellent thread covering the Archons (and all related material) (Thanks to Houman the thread’s creator) – Look here

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

    I might add Jim Sparks covers in the above mentioned videos his experience with the Greys. Sparks seems convinced the Greys he was involved with have benevolent intent but he also mentioned the existence of Greys that may not be so benevolent - the non benevolent Greys are intermediate beings who appear to be agents of these Archonic forces. Most folks here know the Greys are known to work with elements of militaries on earth - as well as Reptilians that do not have the best interests of humans in mind.

    Now I could be wrong, and the Plan could be real. But if it is real, I cannot support it anymore. For one, I fear that the plan would be just what the negative forces (at all levels, including earth humans that want to kill off a large amount of earth’s population) want to happen as I cover in reason 2 above. But I also have an additional reason I no longer support the Plan (again, if it is real).

    The best way to explain this is by using the example in a movie called The Fifth Element. I compare the likely results of The Plan to when the general was blasting the scary object at the beginning of the movie – all it did was make the object grow much, much bigger and target earth for destruction. What I am saying is that the energies that would erupt if this Plan actually occurs and which I have no doubt would be an excellent excuse for the PTB/Ws who would fight before giving would likely end up that our planet would experience a great deal of destruction. If any of us survived, it would be quite a difficult place upon which to build a new future. These folks would not “go quietly into the night” and I do not want to experience how that would all unfold.

    A planet at total war would be food to these Archonic entities as well as food for the levels of beings from Reptilians and Greys down to the actual humans who have sold or all but lost their soul so to speak.

    I apologize to those here who would see me as some traitor.

    I apologize to Drake, to David Wilcock and to Ben Fulford.

    I had to be honest and had to document the reasons for my change of heart.

    Justoneman


    EDIT - (Sunday, 2012-04-29 at 19:09 PM EDT - this thread is at #110)

    consider reading the About Me section at the bottom of this post.

    New information… after processing, can always lead to new perspectives –


    credit for my further consideration goes to DreamsInDigital and her PMs, Dennis Leahy’s post #38, KiwiELF’s Post #46, several of Stan’s posts (Stan is a rock and won’t budge for nothing – I think the Scottish in me has arisen again, Stan), GoodTXSG, Yvonne and several others who have been kind to me in this thread.

    Reconsideration of my position and factors that have led to this new position – 2012-04-29

    To properly explore the next two considerations takes more words as they are both complex – apologies I could not be briefer.

    Warning - These two new considerations are more challenging as they are outside 3D/5 sense/physical and provable world though I did include Archontic forces in my initial post of 2012-04-28.

    The ET/ED wild card

    We have abductees (which is likely where I fall) and we have those who are contactees. I am aware that contactees may also become channels. I have no doubt there are ETs involved in direct physical contact/abductions based on personal experience as I reference in the About me section below. I am not 100% certain my experience was negative though I am now certain I have been targeted by Archontic forces from many levels and for many years. So I do not question that negative ET/EDs exist. For this reason I must also consider that positive ET/EDs could exist. But if they do exist, would they help? If so, why are we in the position we are now?

    There are a significant amount of contactee/channels that report positive ET/ED intervention. I also know many contributors here in the Avalon community regard contactees and channels as lunatics. I have avoided the positive ET/ED factor because I have no known direct experience that they exist. I also feared losing credibility. I realized this omission in the last 24 hours thanks in part to DreamsInDigital and her provocative PMs.

    The realization of my omission has caused me to spend more thought upon this whole positive ET/ED factor - To disregard this aspect of the big picture would be a disservice.

    I rule out nothing.

    So I will address the first forgotten component I failed to consider in my opening post from April 28th – and that is the positive ET/ED intervention component.

    To back up a bit, due to a specific epiphany I experienced on April 26th, I was able to piece together to my satisfaction the source of what likely has been externally influencing me since childhood. I now believe I was targeted by Archontic forces and their henchmen – this ranges from the actual supposed 7 Archons to negative Reptileans and to negative Greys. This includes the amoeba formed Archontic being(s) as well as the dragon formed being(s). After pursuing answers to my personal experience I had when I was 6 years old (I am now 54), I had finally connected enough dots that was able to concluded I have been under the heavy influence of the Archons (and possibly negative Reptilians and/or negative Greys) ever since. One of the primary factors in this discovery was reading Houman’s thread.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

    One particular Archontic tactic covered by a Houman post struck home – that the Archons are the forces behind some and perhaps all “messiahs.” The reasons for this is that I have experienced an overwhelming amount of significant synchronicities that led me to consider that I was a reincarnated being that had been a past, popular messiah figure (who that figure is does not matter here). I never went public with any of this because I always remained cautious that there could be some other reason I have experienced these massive synchronicities. I also knew mental institutions were filled with plenty folks who believed the same types of things.

    Many may recall that David Wilcock had once believed he was the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. He even wrote a book about it. I heard that he has later regretted going public with that information. I feel fortunate that I kept this possibility private(with one exception which I will share about some time in the future). So when I discovered that planting “messiah programming” into humans was one of the Archons’ tricks, always believing in my gut the very idea of a savior was ludicrous, considering the experience I had when I was 6 and finally considering all the experiences I had since, I concluded on April 26th that I was a victim of this programming. This allowed me to take back possession of my soul from the grip of the Archons. I am now in command of my own soul and until I relinquish this command through choice or a failure to remain vigilant as expressed through my words and deeds in being impeccable in every area of my being, I will always retain command of my soul.
    It was at this point I considered the information found in Vivek’s thread regarding Drake’s past (and possibly current ties). Additionally, I considered many things Vivek had unearthed which Drake had written – and all this led me to the knee jerk conclusion that Drake very likely has been and perhaps then still could be a victim of these same Archontic forces. This then led me to look at the whole Drake thing again… leading me to change my entire view of the Plan, its possibility, its feasibility and lastly, if it even should happen in the first place (if it were indeed true). And this was one of the factors I listed above in my original post - dated 2012-04-28.

    So today, after 24 hours and a rough night of sleep and a few PMs from a trusted and loving sources and the great, loving posts on this thread, I realized I failed to consider at least two big possibilities.

    The first is – what if we do indeed have positive ET/EDs that have chosen at this time to become proactive in tangible ways regarding our situation on earth? Just because I have identified the negative forces that for me are very real based on first hand experience and have affected me my entire life does not mean that these negative forces are the only non earthly forces in the universe. Why on April 26th did I forget the possibility that there could be positive ET/EDs and that they could also be intervening in the future of planet earth? What if positive ET/EDs are in direct communication/coordination with efforts to free humanity? What if what Drake says, Wilcock says and Fulford is now saying about positive ET/EDs has some truth? Why am I so special I have to have first hand experience to believe in the possibility we could receive help from positive ET/EDs? Since I do not know with all certainty that positive ET/EDs do not exist and are not assisting humanity, then I now conclude I must be open to the possibility.

    So how does this possibility now change my view and thus my heart regarding the Plan?

    Here’s how – but there are some big “ifs” that go with this. If indeed there are positive ET/ED forces that are now taking real, proactive 3D/5 sense/physical world/earthly actions and if these actions are coordinated with the earth human coordinators of the Plan and these ET/ED forces have the ability to truly make a significant and positive difference, then I have to throw my heart again behind the possibility of the Plan. I have no proof, but I can care about my kids and wife, my loved ones, my friends, those I don’t know but share this planet and all life us humans collectively are holding hostage. So I again must become hopeful and thus in this respect, my heart has officially (and likely permanently changed again).

    And important as to this position change on the matter - This now includes my consideration that life on earth may go through a dramatic and difficult stage, that some life would perhaps suffer and even die in the process – my family and loved ones in that group. For to remain as we are today, specifically with the undeniable, massive amount of satanic based human sacrifice being performed by elements within the cabal, and considering the direction we are headed, then I am now on board, BUT only as long as we have real, tangible help from positive ET/EDs. Again I emphasize these ifs as I have no first hand experience these positive ET/EDs exist. If I shift my position to “I am FOR the Plan - I perhaps am now operating on something that could be dangerous – faith and hope. I have been attacked for this but I no longer care what anyone thinks about being hopeful and having faith in creation that good hearts eventually prevail.

    The Ascension wild card


    Now the second consideration is the ascension wild card. How did I forget that one? I know there are those that see ascension as an inevitability having certain beliefs as to what ascension is and all that. I also know there are plenty of folks who see the ascension believers as simply nutters who are avoiding being realistic and proactive because all they have to do is wait around for the lovely day. Those are two extremes. Most of us fall somewhere in between. So where am I on all this ascension stuff? Here’s my take.

    I do not know in my heart if there will be some cosmic force that causes this ascension. When I try and reach into my heart, the message I hear today is that Ascension is at best a bunch of hype based on hope. I fear that the Mayan calendar (and other calendars that target this time) as possibly being a product of the Archontic aligned forces, thus a massive setup. I see it as wishful thinking on my part and thus on the part of others. BUT! That is just me and what do I know anyway? Yet I have another take on ascension.
    I do believe in the power of heartfelt thought which is the foundation of intentionality. Meaning that if enough of us think from our hearts that it’s possible perhaps we can create the ascension and whatever that entails all on our own.

    With this in mind, I consider what could be the factors that determine what world we ascend to? If it is all predetermined by some master-mind creator then it doesn’t matter what we do or think, but I will never accept that. But what if there is something to ascension in which we are participatory in how it unfolds? That I am open to. With this in mind, is it possible that our collective consciousness on dates we collectively agree upon could determine the ultimate makeup of the world we ascend to? If the answer is, “Yes,” then my next question is, what roll can I play as a single individual? How can I help?

    The answer that comes to me is to do my own part to raise my own consciousness – simple as that and only that. If I change me for the better then perhaps that helps the collective. I can be responsible for me. I don’t have to pretend I can change the world, but I can see how changing me can help the world be a better place no matter how small my part would be – doesn’t matter. What matters is what I think and do to be that change I want to see. At least the Archons are out of my way, at least for today. With my own soul back in my own hands, I have freed my spirit which is foundational to what I think with my mind which is foundational to all actions I take. I believe anyone can do this – there was no magic in this – no exorcism in this process, just determined research and a great deal of self-honesty and of course a massive amount of love and patience from those in my life of 54 years – but it can be done. I will not rule out there may have been help from positive non-earthly forces but I have zero proof of that.

    So what about me affects my consciousness? One thing is my attitude. And so how now does this tie into Drake and the plan? Well, if my heart is not behind a change because of this rationality or that fear then how is that of help to any possibility whether it be an ascension and/or some mad Plan (that just might work), etc. Even if the plan is a sham, how does my “change of heart” to thumbs down help any of us?

    So my heart is officially (and likely permanently) back behind the Plan.

    “Ok big deal, justoneflipflopper.” But at least I can focus again on positive drum beating, what I can do positive today and what I can do if/when the bigger shoes drop.

    May all benevolent life on earth win! boom boom boom - the drum beats on again!

    Ahhh what a difference a day makes.

    Apologies to Drake and friends.

    Apologies to the rational minded that thought I grew a brain and will go off on me because I am back to drum beating.

    Apologies to the positive ET/EDs that thought I had written off the possibility they are there and that they are helping.

    Apologies to the posters who believed in me when I was beating the Drake drum… I beat the drum again.

    Apologies to those who will waste time attacking me for being such a flip flopper as I reserve the right to change my mind any time for any reason based on new information and/or based on consideration of information I may have forgotten.

    Apologies again to Drake - I solved my personal problem at my soul level, suddenly projected what happened to me to be what may be the case with Drake – I can’t make that call and I was stupid to do so.

    I doubt I will again change my position as to my heart being behind change. I fear less the possibilities as to remain with the status quo is simply unacceptable. I am a born cheer leader at heart and I feel I let the right folks down.

    I am back on board and I will continue to explore all possibility, search for any way I can make a real, positive difference, even if it is only stirring up trouble on Avalon…


    My Final EDIT - Monday, 2012-04-30 - 10:42 PM - thread at post #163


    I 100% believe in Drake. I believe Drake 100% believes the people that have contacted him. I believe Drake is not being controlled by the dark, unseen forces. Drake has explored this dark side in the past. I believe he has emerged from the dark side, indeed has emerged better equipped as he has intimate knowledge of the dark, unseen powers of the adversary of humanity.

    I do not believe just a single source has contacted Drake. I believe he has several sources which are united and inside the present military and/or alphabet agencies. I believe these sources are credible and are in positions to make the Plan happen when the green light is given.

    Because of my personal ET/ED abductee experience which probably was by negative ET/EDs, I certainly believe there can be positive ET/EDs. Because of information from Drake/Wilcock and even Fulford (who used to stay away from ET/ED stuff) that positive ET/EDs have been involved in clearing out some of the underground bases and are behind the weapons failures my hopes for humanity are higher than if we had to do this all on our own. Thus, I believe that a joint human / positive ET/ED force stand a worthwhile chance to take the power away from the dark cabal.

    I no longer fear the consequences provided we have the help of the positive ET/EDs, for to continue in the direction we are headed and to continue to turn our head to the atrocities perpetrated by the dark cabal and their ilk is worse than the risks we take when the plan goes publicly operational.

    I do have one very big misgiving and that is how we treat those arrested. I am completely against executions and against any harmful treatment of these characters regardless of their crimes. My reason is because I believe the disease they suffer from (indeed many of us may suffer from) is a disease of the total being - that being the soul, spirit, mind and body. Having said that, to execute anyone is to release their unhealed soul such that said soul could incarnate again in its diseased state. Wherever that new incarnation would be would not be of benefit to the beings wherever that occurs in the universe.

    Thus I believe that it is our responsibility to the universe to assist each one of these characters in seeing the light, such that as many of these characters as possible could have the chance to change their heart before their death and that will give them a chance to reclaim their soul from the dark power that owns their soul at present. In freeing our souls individually, we give the soul of our Earth her freedom and we also prevent an escape of the infected souls from inhabiting another location in our universe. I see this as our responsibility.

    This summarizes my complete and unchangeable view of Drake and the Plan. I have now dug in, picked a position and picked a side.


    About me - (added 2012-04-29 3:02 PM EDT)

    Before I go further with posts, I realized that I have gathered enough interest in the Avalon forum that, “who the heck is this guy ,” may become important to some and so I decided to provide anything and everything that may be deemed relevant about myself as honestly and transparently as humanly possible – I no longer care what credibility I may lose nor do I care what anyone else may say (post) about me. I am making this decision because I saw what happened with Drake in Vivek’s thread.
    My past may cause many folks here to write me off as some goofball, perhaps lead some to suggest I may be a “disinfo agent” (whittingly or not) or that some may write me off as being an agent for or possessed by negative ET/EDs or any other conclusion – again, I no longer care.

    I will reveal every single thing about my past with one caveat – I will not mention certain names nor will I hint too closely at certain specifics and relationships that could be deemed by some to be “crossing lines” that may cause certain folks to bring harm to my loved ones and/or have me thrown in jail and/or or get myself killed. I am not so worried about the being killed part except that what good can I be for anyone if I am dead and this includes folks amongst the “Powers that be.”

    I have already begun to do this and these posts can be found here –

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ion-experience

    and in this very long and interesting thread by Houman in posts #147 and #150

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

    I will also suggest looking at several posts I made in Vivek’s thread about Drake - in this thread I make posts that relate to Dragon traditions / lineages

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Royal-Dragon

    Lastly I will state the following – you can believe whatever you want – and no matter how truthful one may be or appear to be, anyone can find information that could discredit another – I will always be honest even if someone sees any area of my past to be untruthful and/or remember parts I don’t that change the basic impressions thus I invite anyone who may know me to feel free to correct anything I may have gotten wrong.

    I will not add any further About me here in this post except the following -

    I do not work for any government agency nor do I work for anyone who may contract with any government agency. I do not have anyone feeding me information, in fact, I am isolated in my life right now and only receive information through posts and PMs from folks on this forum and what materials I can find on the internet. I do know some folks who are DOD contractors and they have been friends of mine in the normal way a friend would be. The few guys I know are good people in my book and I love them and they know that.

    secret societies

    Several years ago I become an associate member of a society called the Gnostic Templars

    http://www.gnostictemplars.org/ Here is their mission statement

    The International Order of Gnostic Templars ™ (IOGT) is a diverse group of men and women who are committed to assisting in the revival the Gnostic path of knowing one's Self fully by experiencing our own Inner Wisdom, as well as the revival of the Goddess Tradition (The Path of the Divine Feminine) of the Original Templars.

    We also seek to complete the mission of the original Knights Templar by working to show the common links between the spiritual traditions of the East and West.

    We are dedicated to living in accordance with the ideal of the spiritual warrior, one who is able to effectively, and without fear, meet any and all challenges that life places in his/her path.

    I became an associate member because I wanted to access further information and to obtain such info, I felt one had to take that step. The primary human being behind this organization is Mark Amaru Pinkham and he is the author of several interesting books. I consider Mark a friend and we have spoken several times via telephone. I have never formally been initiated into the society nor any other society nor ever participated in any activities much less rituals. My interest stemmed from my desire to learn as much as I could about Dragon paths and to enhance my understanding of the perennial philosophy.

    I also once went to a Scientology facility in Miami – I did so because I thought I had something I could contribute. I saw that there was zero openness to anything but their already established ideas. I also went because I wanted to experience Scientology first hand as would an investigative journalist. I only met with a “recruiter” twice and watched the film they ask potential recruits to watch. When I realized it was a completely controlled environment, I never went back. The only way I escaped their mail was to move back out of the country! haha

    I was born and baptized as an Episcopalian but feel fortunate I was never taken to church by either of my parents. I think they did the baptism thing due to pressure from their parents.

    I went to a catholic school in 5th grade (Cistercian Prep in Dallas Texas) and was asked not to come back the next year.

    I went to an Episcopal school in New York City named St Hilda’s / St. Hughes for 6th and 7th grade. I was expelled near the end of 7th grade.

    For high school I went to a prep school called The Hill School which was some sort of protestant school (I cannot recall if or what denomination) and was expelled with three months to go in my senior year for marijuana after a targeted room search.

    The above are all my formal experiences with anything regarding authorities and religions. I might add that I belong to no religion nor resonate with any religion.

    All the rest about me will be found in the links already mentioned above and I will update where to find new information about me as I add it.

    justone
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    Default Re: Change of heart regarding Drake/Wilcock/Fulford and The Plan

    justoneman, you are not a traitor. you are a genuine person that has concerns for other peoples welfare. this is a good thing. we all want change, good change. but not at the expense of innocent lives. i understand where you are coming from. my thoughts are with you.
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    Default Re: Change of heart regarding Drake/Wilcock/Fulford and The Plan

    Justoneman,

    I admire you all the more for coming out and telling your reasons why you had this change of heart. You are not a traitor, and I for one am honored to call such an honest individual a friend.

    Not that I agree with your views. But I'm too tired to formulate clear thoughts and write them down, so that'll have to wait till tomorrow.

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    The first reason – Bill Ryan’s doubts.
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    But, I have doubts about Bill Ryan's doubts ! :~)

    Seriously, Bill simply offered an opinion. Unless I missed something, he did not say he has any specific knowledge that negates what Drake is saying.

    So, I have cancelled Bill's doubt (hehehehe) and I believe that Bill should begin a slow marinade of that hat. I think a vinegar-based marinade is a good idea, as it should break down the hat somewhat. Or he could pretend he's American (US American, that is), and get a large bottle of ketchup.

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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    The first reason – Bill Ryan’s doubts.
    Justoneman
    But, I have doubts about Bill Ryan's doubts ! :~)

    Seriously, Bill simply offered an opinion. Unless I missed something, he did not say he has any specific knowledge that negates what Drake is saying.

    So, I have cancelled Bill's doubt (hehehehe) and I believe that Bill should begin a slow marinade of that hat. I think a vinegar-based marinade is a good idea, as it should break down the hat somewhat. Or he could pretend he's American (US American, that is), and get a large bottle of ketchup.

    :~)

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    Hey thank you Justoneman!!! We love you ... everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Although Dennis I am with you...I am so looking forward to seeing Bill eat his hat!!! hehehehe.. Can hardly wait....

    Much love!!!

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    I vote Dennis as the next President.

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    I apologize I must not only publicly state my position change, but I must create a new thread to do so. Who am I? Nobody… but because I was such a rabid cheerleader for Drake and the Plan I had to create a specific thread stating my change of heart and the reasons why.

    The first reason – Bill Ryan’s doubts.

    Bill has been around. Bill experienced the Charles episode first hand.

    Because of all the videos Bill has made (and in which he has participated), it is hard to not have a sense of knowing Bill. I trust his experience and intuition.

    Bill has stated he will eat his hat and put it on youtube if The Plan actually happens. Bill suggested in a post to check out this site that appears to be a well researched alternative news/commentary portal - www.worldaffairsbrief.com

    I followed his advice, accessed the site and requested the free mailing which addressed the Drake/Wilcock/Fullford claims. To honor their copyright I cannot post the article, but I suggest you go get your free mailing like I did. The author makes several compelling arguments that The Plan is all (ok I will say “likely”) bogus.

    The second reason – the Jim Sparks interview

    Again thanks to Bill and also Kerry when they were doing Camelot together, I watched an interview of Jim Sparks - http://projectcamelot.org/jim_sparks.html

    I apologize that I cannot recall which of the two interviews I heard this argument but here was the gist of it.

    It would be virtually impossible to do a high level house cleaning because if that is done, a great deal of lateral guilty parties would be exposed. Think of all the people who have family members who have been directly harmed and think of all the retribution these harmed families would want. For decades people have been murdered over keeping things quiet regarding the UFO/alien stuff alone and people are people and they would want “justice.” It would just be too massive to pull it all off as it would cascade down several levels – Literally hundreds of thousands of people would have various levels of guilt – just too, too massive.

    I will now cover Drake for a moment. I have not changed my view of Drake, the person. I like Drake and I believe he 100% believes this will happen. I also believe he has contacts he trusts and believes are in such sufficient numbers and positions that the Plan is actually real. This worries me as now I am beginning to fear that this Plan could actually be a setup such that a mini revolt could actually kick off and that would be the excuse needed for actual martial law imposition. Again, I believe Drake is 99% sincere and the real deal though I doubt the Plan would ever go operational but if it did, I would bet it’s a big setup and we would all be losers.

    The third reason I no longer believe this plan is for real is because of my own experiences which have led me to conclude I have been under significant influence of the Archons, thus I can speak first hand as to their effects – One component of the Archonic influence is that they and those under their influence create messianic figures. I have battled this complex personally and I sense the same thing could have blossomed in Drake. I conclude this after reading enough about Drake’s past in a thread by Vivek. I am convinced that Drake has likely been influenced by the Archons which makes him perfect for a setup like the Plan. Again, I say this based on my own experience and the materials Drake has authored that are readily found on the internet.

    For Vivek’s thread – Look here

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Royal-Dragon

    For an excellent thread covering the Archons (and all related material) (Thanks to Houman the thread’s creator) – Look here

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

    I might add Jim Sparks covers in the above mentioned videos his experience with the Greys. Sparks seems convinced the Greys he was involved with have benevolent intent but he also mentioned the existence of Greys that may not be so benevolent - the non benevolent Greys are intermediate beings who appear to be agents of these Archonic forces. Most folks here know the Greys are known to work with elements of militaries on earth - as well as Reptilians that do not have the best interests of humans in mind.

    Now I could be wrong, and the Plan could be real. But if it is real, I cannot support it anymore. For one, I fear that the plan would be just what the negative forces (at all levels, including earth humans that want to kill off a large amount of earth’s population) want to happen as I cover in reason 2 above. But I also have an additional reason I no longer support the Plan (again, if it is real).

    The best way to explain this is by using the example in a movie called The Fifth Element. I compare the likely results of The Plan to when the general was blasting the scary object at the beginning of the movie – all it did was make the object grow much, much bigger and target earth for destruction. What I am saying is that the energies that would erupt if this Plan actually occurs and which I have no doubt would be an excellent excuse for the PTB/Ws who would fight before giving would likely end up that our planet would experience a great deal of destruction. If any of us survived, it would be quite a difficult place upon which to build a new future. These folks would not “go quietly into the night” and I do not want to experience how that would all unfold.

    A planet at total war would be food to these Archonic entities as well as food for the levels of beings from Reptilians and Greys down to the actual humans who have sold or all but lost their soul so to speak.

    I apologize to those here who would see me as some traitor.

    I apologize to Drake, to David Wilcock and to Ben Fulford.

    I had to be honest and had to document the reasons for my change of heart.

    Justoneman
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    The most dangerous men on earth are the men with nothing to lose.

    99% of us have nothing to lose. Most of us are slaves of the systems subsisting on nothing.

    Look at the starving Africans. Look at the millions of factory slaves in Asia churning out stuff for the West for less than minimum wages and impoverished working and living conditions.

    So what if this Earth is destroyed in the process of evolution?

    The only people with everything to lose are rich and the elite.

    Poor people like us.. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain..

    I can tell you right now.. Plans are being put in place for the entire human race to be changed into light-beings by the end of this year..

    The only people who do not want humanity to be evolved into light-beings are the rich and elite who want a bloody slave race to carry out their factory work.

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    wow -- once again i am amazed at how deep Earth Human denial can go...

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    The first reason – Bill Ryan’s doubts.
    Justoneman
    But, I have doubts about Bill Ryan's doubts ! :~)

    Seriously, Bill simply offered an opinion. Unless I missed something, he did not say he has any specific knowledge that negates what Drake is saying.

    So, I have cancelled Bill's doubt (hehehehe) and I believe that Bill should begin a slow marinade of that hat. I think a vinegar-based marinade is a good idea, as it should break down the hat somewhat. Or he could pretend he's American (US American, that is), and get a large bottle of ketchup.

    :~)

    Dennis
    Hey thank you Justoneman!!! We love you ... everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Although Dennis I am with you...I am so looking forward to seeing Bill eat his hat!!! hehehehe.. Can hardly wait....

    Much love!!!
    If Bill needs to eat his hat I would help him, just because the big clean up happened the way I hoped. I would help eating Bill's hat as a celebration of part victory. Then the rest of the liberation of mankind. When that happens I would eat anyone's hat. Well maybe not, maybe I could choose a party hat or something more delicious.

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    I believe that Bill should begin a slow marinade of that hat

    i love Bill's hat wouldnt be Bill without it!

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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    I apologize I must not only publicly state my position change, but I must create a new thread to do so. Who am I? Nobody… but because I was such a rabid cheerleader for Drake and the Plan I had to create a specific thread stating my change of heart and the reasons why.

    The first reason – Bill Ryan’s doubts.

    Bill has been around. Bill experienced the Charles episode first hand.

    Because of all the videos Bill has made (and in which he has participated), it is hard to not have a sense of knowing Bill. I trust his experience and intuition.

    Bill has stated he will eat his hat and put it on youtube if The Plan actually happens. Bill suggested in a post to check out this site that appears to be a well researched alternative news/commentary portal - www.worldaffairsbrief.com

    I followed his advice, accessed the site and requested the free mailing which addressed the Drake/Wilcock/Fullford claims. To honor their copyright I cannot post the article, but I suggest you go get your free mailing like I did. The author makes several compelling arguments that The Plan is all (ok I will say “likely”) bogus.

    The second reason – the Jim Sparks interview

    Again thanks to Bill and also Kerry when they were doing Camelot together, I watched an interview of Jim Sparks - http://projectcamelot.org/jim_sparks.html

    I apologize that I cannot recall which of the two interviews I heard this argument but here was the gist of it.

    It would be virtually impossible to do a high level house cleaning because if that is done, a great deal of lateral guilty parties would be exposed. Think of all the people who have family members who have been directly harmed and think of all the retribution these harmed families would want. For decades people have been murdered over keeping things quiet regarding the UFO/alien stuff alone and people are people and they would want “justice.” It would just be too massive to pull it all off as it would cascade down several levels – Literally hundreds of thousands of people would have various levels of guilt – just too, too massive.

    I will now cover Drake for a moment. I have not changed my view of Drake, the person. I like Drake and I believe he 100% believes this will happen. I also believe he has contacts he trusts and believes are in such sufficient numbers and positions that the Plan is actually real. This worries me as now I am beginning to fear that this Plan could actually be a setup such that a mini revolt could actually kick off and that would be the excuse needed for actual martial law imposition. Again, I believe Drake is 99% sincere and the real deal though I doubt the Plan would ever go operational but if it did, I would bet it’s a big setup and we would all be losers.

    The third reason I no longer believe this plan is for real is because of my own experiences which have led me to conclude I have been under significant influence of the Archons, thus I can speak first hand as to their effects – One component of the Archonic influence is that they and those under their influence create messianic figures. I have battled this complex personally and I sense the same thing could have blossomed in Drake. I conclude this after reading enough about Drake’s past in a thread by Vivek. I am convinced that Drake has likely been influenced by the Archons which makes him perfect for a setup like the Plan. Again, I say this based on my own experience and the materials Drake has authored that are readily found on the internet.

    For Vivek’s thread – Look here

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Royal-Dragon

    For an excellent thread covering the Archons (and all related material) (Thanks to Houman the thread’s creator) – Look here

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

    I might add Jim Sparks covers in the above mentioned videos his experience with the Greys. Sparks seems convinced the Greys he was involved with have benevolent intent but he also mentioned the existence of Greys that may not be so benevolent - the non benevolent Greys are intermediate beings who appear to be agents of these Archonic forces. Most folks here know the Greys are known to work with elements of militaries on earth - as well as Reptilians that do not have the best interests of humans in mind.

    Now I could be wrong, and the Plan could be real. But if it is real, I cannot support it anymore. For one, I fear that the plan would be just what the negative forces (at all levels, including earth humans that want to kill off a large amount of earth’s population) want to happen as I cover in reason 2 above. But I also have an additional reason I no longer support the Plan (again, if it is real).

    The best way to explain this is by using the example in a movie called The Fifth Element. I compare the likely results of The Plan to when the general was blasting the scary object at the beginning of the movie – all it did was make the object grow much, much bigger and target earth for destruction. What I am saying is that the energies that would erupt if this Plan actually occurs and which I have no doubt would be an excellent excuse for the PTB/Ws who would fight before giving would likely end up that our planet would experience a great deal of destruction. If any of us survived, it would be quite a difficult place upon which to build a new future. These folks would not “go quietly into the night” and I do not want to experience how that would all unfold.

    A planet at total war would be food to these Archonic entities as well as food for the levels of beings from Reptilians and Greys down to the actual humans who have sold or all but lost their soul so to speak.

    I apologize to those here who would see me as some traitor.

    I apologize to Drake, to David Wilcock and to Ben Fulford.

    I had to be honest and had to document the reasons for my change of heart.

    Justoneman
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    The most dangerous men on earth are the men with nothing to lose.

    99% of us have nothing to lose. Most of us are slaves of the systems subsisting on nothing.

    Look at the starving Africans. Look at the millions of factory slaves in Asia churning out stuff for the West for less than minimum wages and impoverished working and living conditions.

    So what if this Earth is destroyed in the process of evolution?

    The only people with everything to lose are rich and the elite.

    Poor people like us.. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain..

    I can tell you right now.. Plans are being put in place for the entire human race to be changed into light-beings by the end of this year..

    The only people who do not want humanity to be evolved into light-beings are the rich and elite who want a bloody slave race to carry out their factory work.
    Hi there seigiarchon, I agree 100% and a wee bit more. You see things as they ARE indeed!

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    wow -- once again i am amazed at how deep Earth Human denial can go...
    Would you like to rephrase that, so that I can understand what you mean.

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    Quote Posted by seigiarchon (here)
    If I can't defend my own castle, I would rather destroy it than to let it be used by my enemies.
    The most dangerous men on earth are the men with nothing to lose.
    99% of us have nothing to lose. Most of us are slaves of the systems subsisting on nothing.
    Look at the starving Africans. Look at the millions of factory slaves in Asia churning out stuff for the West for less than minimum wages and impoverished working and living conditions.
    So what if this Earth is destroyed in the process of evolution?
    The only people with everything to lose are rich and the elite.
    Poor people like us.. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain..
    I can tell you right now.. Plans are being put in place for the entire human race to be changed into light-beings by the end of this year..
    The only people who do not want humanity to be evolved into light-beings are the rich and elite who want a bloody slave race to carry out their factory work.
    Great minds think alike. We need to get the ball rolling and move ahead with mass arrests. To not even attempt mass arrests would be rolling over and giving up without a fight in which we lose. If we try, we may win and if not, we won't go down without a fight! I am just worried that most souls won't be given a chance to decide if they want to ascend end of this year because they are being denied the truth. I know the truth and have already decided I want to ascend. I have almost no idea how to ascend and wonder what will happen to most humans end of this year. One more thing, we have divine intervention by positive ETs that will greatly increase the success of mass arrests and other plans.

    Quote Posted by wynderer (here)
    wow -- once again i am amazed at how deep Earth Human denial can go...
    Are you talking about us or the 95% of sheeple who are still brainwashed and close minded?

    edit: If any hats get eaten, make them out of paper, wear them then show a youtube video of you removing the paper hat and eating it bite by bite. Should be funny to watch!

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    I can tell you right now.. Plans are being put in place for the entire human race to be changed into light-beings by the end of this year..

    The only people who do not want humanity to be evolved into light-beings are the rich and elite who want a bloody slave race to carry out their factory work.
    I am real sorry Stan and Dennis and Kimberly and others who are Drake/Plan supporters/believers –
    I wish that what is now a fantasy to me could come true in that the world would change that those who have been a part of the Satanic Cabal (and which I see as imposters as opposed to those who through bloodlines carried the sacred blood that was/is essential to what the old world knew as fairies) – true priest/kings served the people. The people were their responsibility. Not their food supply. Our current elite are nothing but sick energy sucking pretenders.

    Anyways, to address why I mentioned Bill – you cannot discount his experience nor his likely well of resources – I gave you guys one resource and there he makes many good points.

    And sadly I forgot to mention the contrarian views here on the Avalon forum who made several good arguments as to a.) Drake possibly being played and/or b.) the wisdom in this course of action as it may likely lead to much bigger problems than we are hoping.

    Anyways, I would love to eat Bill’s hat too, trust me… the state of just about every single thing on this planet is utterly disgusting and to think this is what we are handing to our kids…. ridiculous.
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    Non of us really know if the plan is real or not. No proof what so ever. Only speculations.

    I'm neutral on this one. Being neutral means, I'm open minded, but have not jumped to any conclusion.
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    I can tell you right now.. Plans are being put in place for the entire human race to be changed into light-beings by the end of this year..

    The only people who do not want humanity to be evolved into light-beings are the rich and elite who want a bloody slave race to carry out their factory work.
    I am real sorry Stan and Dennis and Kimberly and others who are Drake/Plan supporters/believers –
    I wish that what is now a fantasy to me could come true in that the world would change that those who have been a part of the Satanic Cabal (and which I see as imposters as opposed to those who through bloodlines carried the sacred blood that was/is essential to what the old world knew as fairies) – true priest/kings served the people. The people were their responsibility. Not their food supply. Our current elite are nothing but sick energy sucking pretenders.

    Anyways, to address why I mentioned Bill – you cannot discount his experience nor his likely well of resources – I gave you guys one resource and there he makes many good points.

    And sadly I forgot to mention the contrarian views here on the Avalon forum who made several good arguments as to a.) Drake possibly being played and/or b.) the wisdom in this course of action as it may likely lead to much bigger problems than we are hoping.

    Anyways, I would love to eat Bill’s hat too, trust me… the state of just about every single thing on this planet is utterly disgusting and to think this is what we are handing to our kids…. ridiculous.
    Justoneman
    Your post is very pleasant, and I thank you for it even if I believe the info about Drake. This is the kind of conversation that makes us stronger!

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    Speaking of Bill...why doesn't he 'drop in' to his own website much anymore...I rarely see a new post of his, and rarely see him on the board,
    Is he no longer participating here ? I miss his input !
    If people can be made to believe absurdities, then they can be made to accept atrocities."

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    Justoneman,

    I think you are amazing and it is interesting because I do not consider myself a Drake "believer". I have not been believing just becasue he sounds good. And I see that you suspect that he is 99% sincere but has been mislead. I am interested in looking at what you mention here. Bill's post doesn't mean a lot to me or people's opinions in terms of me deciding. The reality is that WE are not doing anything except talking. We are not supporting anything, we are talking support. We have not been asked to do anything except to prepare with food and necessities, which would help us no matter what.

    I don't care if Bill has to eat his hat or not. It is possible that Bill and others are afraid and are speaking from fear. However, I am interested in ordering the same mailing you did. I have come this far but checking everything that comes my way. The senario you paint is always a possibility, but what you have written is being channeled through your own brain and fears etc., as it happens for us all. So, although I had planned to stay off for a while, I am going to order the mailing and the write what my brain and consciousness has come up with.

    And you must know that I deeply respect you for writing this. I would ask you to continue to have an open-mind...just like the militia folks are doing. Preparing, having an open-mind and being cautious and discerning.

    Thank you again, Justoneman...

    From "JustoneWoman" Yvonne


    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    Quote Posted by seigiarchon (here)
    I can tell you right now.. Plans are being put in place for the entire human race to be changed into light-beings by the end of this year..

    The only people who do not want humanity to be evolved into light-beings are the rich and elite who want a bloody slave race to carry out their factory work.
    I am real sorry Stan and Dennis and Kimberly and others who are Drake/Plan supporters/believers –
    I wish that what is now a fantasy to me could come true in that the world would change that those who have been a part of the Satanic Cabal (and which I see as imposters as opposed to those who through bloodlines carried the sacred blood that was/is essential to what the old world knew as fairies) – true priest/kings served the people. The people were their responsibility. Not their food supply. Our current elite are nothing but sick energy sucking pretenders.

    Anyways, to address why I mentioned Bill – you cannot discount his experience nor his likely well of resources – I gave you guys one resource and there he makes many good points.

    And sadly I forgot to mention the contrarian views here on the Avalon forum who made several good arguments as to a.) Drake possibly being played and/or b.) the wisdom in this course of action as it may likely lead to much bigger problems than we are hoping.

    Anyways, I would love to eat Bill’s hat too, trust me… the state of just about every single thing on this planet is utterly disgusting and to think this is what we are handing to our kids…. ridiculous.

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    Justoneman...how did you request the free mailing? Will subscribing do it?

    thanks

    subscribing asks for $48....
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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
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    I am real sorry Stan and Dennis and Kimberly and others who are Drake/Plan supporters/believers –
    I wish that what is now a fantasy to me could come true in that the world would change that those who have been a part of the Satanic Cabal (and which I see as imposters as opposed to those who through bloodlines carried the sacred blood that was/is essential to what the old world knew as fairies) – true priest/kings served the people. The people were their responsibility. Not their food supply. Our current elite are nothing but sick energy sucking pretenders.

    Anyways, to address why I mentioned Bill – you cannot discount his experience nor his likely well of resources – I gave you guys one resource and there he makes many good points.

    And sadly I forgot to mention the contrarian views here on the Avalon forum who made several good arguments as to a.) Drake possibly being played and/or b.) the wisdom in this course of action as it may likely lead to much bigger problems than we are hoping.

    Anyways, I would love to eat Bill’s hat too, trust me… the state of just about every single thing on this planet is utterly disgusting and to think this is what we are handing to our kids…. ridiculous.
    Hi Justoneman -- you seem to be a pretty aware person -- just want to warn you to expect some psy attacks -- don't let them get to your self-esteem

    wyn

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