Change of heart regarding Drake/Wilcock/Fulford and The Plan

[modwiz]

It is not so much that 9eagle9 is right brained as she works with both hemispheres simultaneously. Effortlessly synthesizing the data relevant to/for each hemisphere. This is the real capability of shamans and other magical types. Operating multidimensionally in fully awake consciousness. No trances needed. It is result of dedication to a path. Some innate ability may play some part, but like any talent, it is the work and effort that produces brilliance.

[Sebastion]

and a fine example of the masculine/feminine energies working in balance.........

Posted by modwiz (here)
It is not so much that 9eagle9 is right brained as she works with both hemispheres simultaneously. Effortlessly synthesizing the data relevant to/for each hemisphere. This is the real capability of shamans and other magical types. Operating multidimensional in fully awake consciousness. No trances needed. It is result of dedication to a path. Some innate ability may play some part, but like any talent, it is the work and effort that produces brilliance.

[9eagle9]

Unfortunately VM's right side has this sort of scripting in it , so I'm not sure how much good it would do. "1,000 years ago you'd be chattel owned by a rich Lord or monarch of some sorts..I mean, you might get treated well and have a nice title, but when it came down to it you'd basically be property of whichever aristocrat decided they wanted your power for their own."

Patriarchal mindset.

It also tells me that VM wouldn't deflect the way VM has does with a man. Thus far I haven't' seen VM discharge in that that with a man in this conversation either. That's organic programming.

Inorganic programming is external , noted the ready way VM invited another entity (myself) into their personal space. There's no discernment there because its been done before. That's external influence , attachments. That cording in we speak of in your thread Sebastion. VM's external influences would like to see VM harmed. Because something has been invited in before with willful consent the pattern repeats as a 'solution' when its really just another means to harm VM.

One spends less time talking to the person VM than the influence attached. Literally talking over one's head.

RM notes this had grown personal. It really never did. A program isn't personal they run all over the place. What's real isn't personal it's supposed to belong to everyone if they would simply own it.

Archonic energy has beef with mankind but it is primarily directed at woman and men who have re-incorporated that female side. Man functioned to preserve woman from archonic energies. The masculine energy of an individual is meant to preserve the female/intuitive side.

When they blend again in the way they are supposed one becomes re-integrated into who they are.

In spite of my 'lack of compassion' these sorts of conversations , and what they reveal, leave me feeling sad. I really don't know that humanity as whole is going to do operating under that sort of burden.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey folks,

I don´t mean to be rude, but maybe it´s time to stop this personal discussion here?

I think PMs are much more adequate for this kind of debate.

Cheers,

Raf.

No, I like watching 9eagle9 play with her foo.... i mean discuss things like this.

[Sebastion]

What most cannot see or understand is that one must integrate the right brain-the intuitive side in order to access one's true power more fully. Without doing that, you are literally using only half of your totality at best. One has to experience it for themselves to understand the truth of it. It's no wonder many feel that they need a leader to follow.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Unfortunately VM's right side has this sort of scripting in it , so I'm not sure how much good it would do. "1,000 years ago you'd be chattel owned by a rich Lord or monarch of some sorts..I mean, you might get treated well and have a nice title, but when it came down to it you'd basically be property of whichever aristocrat decided they wanted your power for their own."

Patriarchal mindset.

It also tells me that VM wouldn't deflect the way VM has does with a man. Thus far I haven't' seen VM discharge in that that with a man in this conversation either. That's organic programming.

Inorganic programming is external , noted the ready way VM invited another entity (myself) into their personal space. There's no discernment there because its been done before. That's external influence , attachments. That cording in we speak of in your thread Sebastion. VM's external influences would like to see VM harmed. Because something has been invited in before with willful consent the pattern repeats as a 'solution' when its really just another means to harm VM.

One spends less time talking to the person VM than the influence attached. Literally talking over one's head.

RM notes this had grown personal. It really never did. A program isn't personal they run all over the place. What's real isn't personal it's supposed to belong to everyone if they would simply own it.

Archonic energy has beef with mankind but it is primarily directed at woman and men who have re-incorporated that female side. Man functioned to preserve woman from archonic energies. The masculine energy of an individual is meant to preserve the female/intuitive side.

When they blend again in the way they are supposed one becomes re-integrated into who they are.

In spite of my 'lack of compassion' these sorts of conversations , and what they reveal, leave me feeling sad. I really don't know that humanity as whole is going to do operating under that sort of burden.

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by modwiz (here)
It is not so much that 9eagle9 is right brained as she works with both hemispheres simultaneously. Effortlessly synthesizing the data relevant to/for each hemisphere. This is the real capability of shamans and other magical types. Operating multidimensionally in fully awake consciousness. No trances needed. It is result of dedication to a path. Some innate ability may play some part, but like any talent, it is the work and effort that produces brilliance.

Well, overwintered hippy. LOL

When the signals are made moving back and forth across the corpus

collosum fast enough, a standing wave is produced in the middle

of corpus collosum. This wave can be moved back and forth along

the corpus and down the spine, producing all kinds of phenomenons.

It can also be used to connect with other humans standing waves to

experience communion. ROFLOL






All is well


Jorr 2.0

[justoneman]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Hey folks,

I don´t mean to be rude, but maybe it´s time to stop this personal discussion here?

I think PMs are much more adequate for this kind of debate.

Cheers,

Raf.

Apologies but I hope this discussion continues - Both Vast and 9 are making super excellent points and I have benefited and suspect others may as well benefit - Please don't stop

[9eagle9]

The hole that has been dug here is that Drake claims he is from a Dragon Order and promises to shortly 'reveal' the occult nature of the ptb (which has already been revealed). If Drake is who he claims to be then he will shortly be spouting the same sort of bull**** as VM percieves me to be. Or at least should be, although that 'occult' knowledge is anything but if we have already bandied it back and forth on this forum previously and within this very thread.

I would like to see VM then argue the same points with Drake as vigorously as I.

I would lay exactly 1, 147. 50 cents on the table to bet VM would not.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

IF (big if) Drake the draco, IS who he actually claims he his. His mode of operation suggest to me that he is not.

[Amzer Zo]

To illustrate what 9eagle9's position is like, here is an example:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

To give some reality on how a programmed individual keeps on going with the program whether the latter is inculcated on one while out-of-body as in "The Programming of A Planet" (abductions or `in-between lives') or through an upbringing within a particular culture, tradition or community, here is an example of a mom who tried to talk some sense into her son who is still caught up into what has become a cult:

Sadly, the last time we saw our son who is still in the [cult], I pointed out the outpoint of "[cult]" to him. He could not respond other than to repeat how the building needs to be finished first and the staff in place before the tech can be delivered.

I kept trying to get him to duplicate that all that isn’t required to get staff through, even if only one at a time. It was amazing for me to see how he could not respond other than to state the party line about the building. He just could not think it through.

The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question about [cult], but only parrot the party line.

Emphasis ,mine, to underline what happens with an awake individual's "friends" and "family" who just refuse to hear or talk about anything else than what's on TeeVee...

So... how to un-hypnotize post-hypnotic-controlled skull-dwelling zombies who are either under the spell of post-hypnotic orders and behaviours, or an equivalent, when they are not only unaware of it but would fight anyone attempting to demonstrate it to them... tough catch-22 job!

In a general way, what can be done is starting, as exemplified above, with oneself then expand gradually to others on a gentle slope instead of using shock therapy as the MSM love to do following the courts proceedings: John Doe vs the rest of the whole bloody universe (see my 2sd signature)!

Then, regarding Wilcock and Drake, the following is at play as well (which ends up producing what's above to keep it in an endless loop since the underlying programming is for people to need to believe in... something):

PLAY ON PEOPLE'S NEED TO BELIEVE TO CREATE A CULTLIKE FOLLOWING

by Robert Greene

Law 27 -- Play on People's Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following

Judgment: People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

In searching, as you must, for the methods that will gain you the most power for the least effort, you will find the creation of a cultlike following one of the most effective. Having a large following opens up all sorts of possibilities for deception; not only will your followers worship you, they will defend you from your enemies and will voluntarily take on the work of enticing others to join your fledgling cult. This kind of power will lift you to another realm: You will no longer have to struggle or use subterfuge to enforce your will. You are adored and can do no wrong.

You might think it a gargantuan task to create such a following, but in fact it is fairly simple. As humans, we have a desperate need to believe in something, anything. This makes us eminently gullible: We simply cannot endure long periods of doubt, or of the emptiness that comes from a lack of something to believe in. Dangle in front of us some new cause, elixir, get-rich-quick scheme, or the latest technological trend or art movement and we leap from the water as one to take the bait. Look at history: The chronicles of the new trends and cults that have made a mass following for themselves could fill a library. After a few centuries, a few decades, a few years, a few months, they generally look ridiculous, but at the time they seem so attractive, so transcendental, so divine.

Always in a rush to believe in something, we will manufacture saints and faiths out of nothing. Do not let this gullibility go to waste: Make yourself the object of worship. Make people form a cult around you.

The great European charlatans of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries mastered the art of cultmaking. They lived, as we do now, in a time of transformation: Organized religion was on the wane, science on the rise. People were desperate to rally around a new cause or faith. The charlatans had begun by peddling health elixirs and alchemic shortcuts to wealth. Moving quickly from town to town, they originally focused on small groups -- until, by accident, they stumbled on a truth of human nature: The larger the group they gathered around themselves, the easier it was to deceive.

The charlatan would station himself on a high wooden platform (hence the term "mountebank") and crowds would swarm around him. In a group setting, people were more emotional, less able to reason. Had the charlatan spoken to them individually, they might have found him ridiculous, but lost in a crowd they got caught up in a communal mood of rapt attention. It became impossible for them to find the distance to be skeptical. Any deficiencies in the charlatan's ideas were hidden by the zeal of the mass. Passion and enthusiasm swept through the crowd like a contagion, and they reacted violently to anyone who dared to spread a seed of doubt. Both consciously studying this dynamic over decades of experiment and spontaneously adapting to these situations as they happened, the charlatans perfected the science of attracting and holding a crowd, molding the crowd into followers and the followers into a cult

The gimmicks of the charlatans may seem quaint today, but there are thousands of charlatans among us still, using the same tried-and-true methods their predecessors refined centuries ago, only changing the names of their elixirs and modernizing the look of their cults. We find these latter-day charlatans in all arenas of life -- business, fashion, politics, art. Many of them, perhaps, are following in the charlatan tradition without having any knowledge of its history, but you can be more systematic and deliberate. Simply follow the five steps of cultmaking that our charlatan ancestors perfected over the years.

Step 1: Keep it Vague; Keep it Simple. To create a cult you must first attract attention. This you should do not through actions, which are too clear and readable, but through words, which are hazy and deceptive. Your initial speeches, conversations, and interviews must include two elements: on the one hand the promise of something great and transformative, and on the other a total vagueness. This combination will stimulate all kinds of hazy dreams in your listeners, who will make their own connections and see what they want to see.

To make your vagueness attractive, use words of great resonance but cloudy meaning, words full of heat and enthusiasm. Fancy titles for simple things are helpful, as are the use of numbers and the creation of new words for vague concepts. All of these create the impression of specialized knowledge, giving you a veneer of profundity. By the same token, try to make the subject of your cult new and fresh, so that few will understand it. Done right, the combination of vague promises, cloudy but alluring concepts, and fiery enthusiasm will stir people's souls and a group will form around you.

Talk too vaguely and you have no credibility. But it is more dangerous to be specific. If you explain in detail the benefits people will gain by following your cult, you will be expected to satisfy them.

As a corollary to its vagueness your appeal should also be simple. Most people's problems have complex causes: deep-rooted neurosis, interconnected social factors, roots that go way back in time and are exceedingly hard to unravel. Few, however, have the patience to deal with this; most people want to hear that a simple solution will cure their problems. The ability to offer this kind of solution will give you great power and build you a following. Instead of the complicated explanations of real life, return to the primitive solutions of our ancestors, to good old country remedies, to mysterious panaceas.




Full article here:
http://www.american-buddha.com/greene.cult.htm

[Taurean]

Just came across this interview which could probably apply to a few threads at the moment. - a lot of inter-twining info that requires a huge dollop of discernment !

Starts at 6.00

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4fLwBdAWyw

[justoneman]

EDIT - Posted in wrong thread

[9eagle9]

Posted by justoneman (here)
EDIT - Posted in wrong thread

I read it in my email box, it was a splendid letter regardless of the wrong thread, and what i know of Drake, and personally you are far more diplomatic than I and could very well serve as an ambassador.....of something. Something good anyway, something that supports is all that i would wish for you.

Regardless of how I view Drake I think you should repost your post here just in case other's didn't get a good look at it and are not inclined to post in the myriad Drake threads.

[sygh]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
To illustrate what 9eagle9's position is like, here is an example:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

To give some reality on how a programmed individual keeps on going with the program whether the latter is inculcated on one while out-of-body as in "The Programming of A Planet" (abductions or `in-between lives') or through an upbringing within a particular culture, tradition or community, here is an example of a mom who tried to talk some sense into her son who is still caught up into what has become a cult:

Sadly, the last time we saw our son who is still in the [cult], I pointed out the outpoint of "[cult]" to him. He could not respond other than to repeat how the building needs to be finished first and the staff in place before the tech can be delivered.

I kept trying to get him to duplicate that all that isn’t required to get staff through, even if only one at a time. It was amazing for me to see how he could not respond other than to state the party line about the building. He just could not think it through.

The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question about [cult], but only parrot the party line.

Emphasis ,mine, to underline what happens with an awake individual's "friends" and "family" who just refuse to hear or talk about anything else than what's on TeeVee...

So... how to un-hypnotize post-hypnotic-controlled skull-dwelling zombies who are either under the spell of post-hypnotic orders and behaviours, or an equivalent, when they are not only unaware of it but would fight anyone attempting to demonstrate it to them... tough catch-22 job!

In a general way, what can be done is starting, as exemplified above, with oneself then expand gradually to others on a gentle slope instead of using shock therapy as the MSM love to do following the courts proceedings: John Doe vs the rest of the whole bloody universe (see my 2sd signature)!

Then, regarding Wilcock and Drake, the following is at play as well (which ends up producing what's above to keep it in an endless loop since the underlying programming is for people to need to believe in... something):

PLAY ON PEOPLE'S NEED TO BELIEVE TO CREATE A CULTLIKE FOLLOWING

by Robert Greene

Law 27 -- Play on People's Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following

Judgment: People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

In searching, as you must, for the methods that will gain you the most power for the least effort, you will find the creation of a cultlike following one of the most effective. Having a large following opens up all sorts of possibilities for deception; not only will your followers worship you, they will defend you from your enemies and will voluntarily take on the work of enticing others to join your fledgling cult. This kind of power will lift you to another realm: You will no longer have to struggle or use subterfuge to enforce your will. You are adored and can do no wrong.

You might think it a gargantuan task to create such a following, but in fact it is fairly simple. As humans, we have a desperate need to believe in something, anything. This makes us eminently gullible: We simply cannot endure long periods of doubt, or of the emptiness that comes from a lack of something to believe in. Dangle in front of us some new cause, elixir, get-rich-quick scheme, or the latest technological trend or art movement and we leap from the water as one to take the bait. Look at history: The chronicles of the new trends and cults that have made a mass following for themselves could fill a library. After a few centuries, a few decades, a few years, a few months, they generally look ridiculous, but at the time they seem so attractive, so transcendental, so divine.

Always in a rush to believe in something, we will manufacture saints and faiths out of nothing. Do not let this gullibility go to waste: Make yourself the object of worship. Make people form a cult around you.

The great European charlatans of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries mastered the art of cultmaking. They lived, as we do now, in a time of transformation: Organized religion was on the wane, science on the rise. People were desperate to rally around a new cause or faith. The charlatans had begun by peddling health elixirs and alchemic shortcuts to wealth. Moving quickly from town to town, they originally focused on small groups -- until, by accident, they stumbled on a truth of human nature: The larger the group they gathered around themselves, the easier it was to deceive.

The charlatan would station himself on a high wooden platform (hence the term "mountebank") and crowds would swarm around him. In a group setting, people were more emotional, less able to reason. Had the charlatan spoken to them individually, they might have found him ridiculous, but lost in a crowd they got caught up in a communal mood of rapt attention. It became impossible for them to find the distance to be skeptical. Any deficiencies in the charlatan's ideas were hidden by the zeal of the mass. Passion and enthusiasm swept through the crowd like a contagion, and they reacted violently to anyone who dared to spread a seed of doubt. Both consciously studying this dynamic over decades of experiment and spontaneously adapting to these situations as they happened, the charlatans perfected the science of attracting and holding a crowd, molding the crowd into followers and the followers into a cult

The gimmicks of the charlatans may seem quaint today, but there are thousands of charlatans among us still, using the same tried-and-true methods their predecessors refined centuries ago, only changing the names of their elixirs and modernizing the look of their cults. We find these latter-day charlatans in all arenas of life -- business, fashion, politics, art. Many of them, perhaps, are following in the charlatan tradition without having any knowledge of its history, but you can be more systematic and deliberate. Simply follow the five steps of cultmaking that our charlatan ancestors perfected over the years.

Step 1: Keep it Vague; Keep it Simple. To create a cult you must first attract attention. This you should do not through actions, which are too clear and readable, but through words, which are hazy and deceptive. Your initial speeches, conversations, and interviews must include two elements: on the one hand the promise of something great and transformative, and on the other a total vagueness. This combination will stimulate all kinds of hazy dreams in your listeners, who will make their own connections and see what they want to see.

To make your vagueness attractive, use words of great resonance but cloudy meaning, words full of heat and enthusiasm. Fancy titles for simple things are helpful, as are the use of numbers and the creation of new words for vague concepts. All of these create the impression of specialized knowledge, giving you a veneer of profundity. By the same token, try to make the subject of your cult new and fresh, so that few will understand it. Done right, the combination of vague promises, cloudy but alluring concepts, and fiery enthusiasm will stir people's souls and a group will form around you.

Talk too vaguely and you have no credibility. But it is more dangerous to be specific. If you explain in detail the benefits people will gain by following your cult, you will be expected to satisfy them.

As a corollary to its vagueness your appeal should also be simple. Most people's problems have complex causes: deep-rooted neurosis, interconnected social factors, roots that go way back in time and are exceedingly hard to unravel. Few, however, have the patience to deal with this; most people want to hear that a simple solution will cure their problems. The ability to offer this kind of solution will give you great power and build you a following. Instead of the complicated explanations of real life, return to the primitive solutions of our ancestors, to good old country remedies, to mysterious panaceas.




Full article here:
http://www.american-buddha.com/greene.cult.htm

Add one more thing, Zoe... you forgot "Do your own research". In other words, talk yourself into believing, it's much more potent that way.
Just my personal opinion. The same thing can happen to millions of people and, if played right, every single one of them can get what they want.
If I'm wrong, I'll take a bite of Bill's hat too. I hope I'm wrong, truely.

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by sygh (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
To illustrate what 9eagle9's position is like, here is an example:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Add one more thing, Zoe... you forgot "Do your own research". In other words, talk yourself into believing, it's much more potent that way.
Just my personal opinion. The same thing can happen to millions of people and, if played right, every single one of them can get what they want.
If I'm wrong, I'll take a bite of Bill's hat too. I hope I'm wrong, truely.

True, I have a tendency to assume it's self evident and that one wouldn't need to specify it... how wrong!

On the other hand, rather than talking oneself into believing, I'd rather KNOW through experience and experiment that something works or is the way it is; much like 9eagle9.

As for hat-eating party, well... "hat" is unfortunately pretty safe from being chewed on, see: this post.

[sygh]

Just trying to be nice to all Avalonians. Wanting something wonderful to happen is nothing to be ashamed about. We know, unless a miricle happens, eventually there will be a Bank bust, as currently there is a banking boom printing money galore. People are scared. I don't want to see Avalonians to get forelorn just because yoohoo is talking trash.

Further... for all anyone knows, I'm doing this, right? Wrong; and here's my point: Since when have Avalonians started calling and accusing each other of being "plants", further threatening to be watching what they do from now on. If I were a mod, I'd have suspended the guy, or girl.

I say... iffin ur gonna do it, then DO IT.

[justoneman]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Regardless of how I view Drake I think you should repost your post here just in case other's didn't get a good look at it and are not inclined to post in the myriad Drake threads.

Hi 9eagle9 - I wrote a letter to Drake and I meant to post it in Vivek's thread as that was the appropriate place ... I think there's a rule about posting the same thing in multiple threads and so here's the link -
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post483690

I want to add that its very important to me - and probably others here but I cannot speak for them - that Drake addresses the concerns raised in Vivek's thread by several posters (not just Vivek) as well as in other threads in the forum. His reaction based on what I heard in the transcript is not at all what I would expect of a someone of the Wisdom. Now I can see overlooking the reaction based on knowing all the stress he has to be under, but that would require he make himself available to answering some questions about all that. Thanks to Kimberly, I got his e-mail address and I mailed the letter - so far no response. Some might say I should not expect one as he must be very busy with far more important matters, but if that were the case, then why did this thread get so much of Drake's attention and cause such a reaction unless Avalon was somehow important to him.

I have an idea and that is this - why don't we try and make a list of questions - present them respectfully and ask that he kindly respond to them? I would be glad to offer some suggested questions. Its so much in how things are worded that is such a key to communication - and so the way the questions are worded is just as critical.

I will sleep on this and begin my list tomorrow.

[justoneman]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by sygh (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
To illustrate what 9eagle9's position is like, here is an example:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Add one more thing, Zoe... you forgot "Do your own research". In other words, talk yourself into believing, it's much more potent that way.
Just my personal opinion. The same thing can happen to millions of people and, if played right, every single one of them can get what they want.
If I'm wrong, I'll take a bite of Bill's hat too. I hope I'm wrong, truely.

True, I have a tendency to assume it's self evident and that one wouldn't need to specify it... how wrong!

On the other hand, rather than talking oneself into believing, I'd rather KNOW through experience and experiment that something works or is the way it is; much like 9eagle9.

As for hat-eating party, well... "hat" is unfortunately pretty safe from being chewed on, see: this post.

That is a very, very sobering post - and sadly... those who have been in touch with Drake may be providing an opportunity/excuse for this possible scenario - somewhere behind the Plan may be chess masters who are far far better than the so called "good guys" and Bill may be wrong that its just distraction - it could be worse.

[9eagle9]

And what was his reaction that you do not percieve as being sourced from a place of wisdom, JustOne?

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]
As for hat-eating party, well... "hat" is unfortunately pretty safe from being chewed on, see: this post.

That is a very, very sobering post - and sadly... those who have been in touch with Drake may be providing an opportunity/excuse for this possible scenario - somewhere behind the Plan may be chess masters who are far far better than the so called "good guys" and Bill may be wrong that its just distraction - it could be worse.

Alex Collier calls it the "Orion Model" (see this post).

Indeed, not a pretty picture.

[felixq78]

From the stuff I've heard and I've listened to hours and hours of Drake's reports, he hasn't really specified who is being targeted nor from whence they've come. He's been extremely tight lipped when it comes to specifics so you can't really criticise their plans and whom they include. Many people have been attacking this guy but they have no idea who he is or what his plans may be, I don't get it. Surely we need some data before we start any form of criticism. The way I see it the lies (excluding your comment of course) and the assumptions are coming from all directions and we have no idea about what they're really doing, maybe we should stay prepared, sit tight and wait for this to unfold. There's not much we can really do anyway.