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    My utmost apologies to those that i have locked horns with and had my selfish differences with on Avalon. You know whom you are. This video puts it into a clear perspective for me. We all have our own ideologies of what reality is. I'm Sorry.

    The first 5 minutes of this video was the reason why i posted this thread. Some Big words from Little Grandma.

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    White Feather -- it's possible that the EMF/HAARP stuff has been set to the Human anger--generating/inducing frequencies the last few days

    good time to lay low

    wyn

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    Bro i take my hat off to you

    It takes a bigger man to apologise than not.Now come here for a hug

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    Interesting that Little Grandma has the same message as Abraham-Hicks; Just get into the Vortex...

    and also interesting disclosure about the star children coming as Teachers within disabled bodies...

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    well done whitefeather,
    we are here to further our progress, and you have just done exactly that...

    cheers

    meat

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    Tha message is pure and simple, so live from the heart. The wingmakers have been teaching this for years, take a look. www.wingmakers.com


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    My Dad always said "the true size of a man is the size of his apology". You're a remarkable person WhiteFeather, my love and thanks to you.

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    I noticed the video was condensed... is there a link to the full length version?

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    You're the man Feather...

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    What???

    How dare you say you're sorry ...




    Luv ya man


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    Quote Posted by wynderer (here)
    White Feather -- it's possible that the EMF/HAARP stuff has been set to the Human anger--generating/inducing frequencies the last few days

    good time to lay low

    wyn
    Yes the energy has been a little weird as of late.... i must agree. And As i have often listened to Dolores Cannon's perspective on Karma is to just let it go (release the anger), this is the Key to New Earth and moving forward, if you will. Love You All Peeps. Wanishi. Enjoy The Day.


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    Thanks for sharing this message Whitefeather. Apologies are indeed a measure of a good man.

    I do not want to derail your message so please feel free to move this response if it does so.

    The vast majority of Little Grandma's messages resonate with me however, I have difficulty accepting the notion that all human beings are good. At a very basic level, I believe there is right and wrong - good and evil. For me, these two dichotomies are sourced from life - human life and can be expressed as - anything that results in the destruction of human life is bad. A person who destroys human life or the life force is evil. People who kill, torture, rape ... for pleasure or for ego are evil - as are people who destroy other people's will to live.

    Please note that I am labeling those individuals as bad and evil. I am indeed being judgmental but I want to be clear that I limit this to those things that destroy human life and I reject any and all other forms of judgement.

    Whenever I offer this point of view to those folks who reject any kind of judgement, they will inevitably argue that allowing for one form of judgement will lead to all things being judged or nothing being judged. This line of reasoning (which has a formal name that escapes me) is faulty. The argument often flows like this... They will say that the soldiers of the Crusade were clearly evil and if you accept that they were indeed evil then all soldiers are evil. If you agree to that they will say, your grandfather, the WWII vet is evil. If you then reject that argument and say that your grandfather is absolutely not evil, they will then reverse the logic back and say that all soldiers are good and the Crusade was not evil. This is the fallacy of the incremental argument and it can be exemplified like this:
    Does one hair make a beard?
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    Ok, then 999 must also make a beard right? Answer: Yes
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    Going back to the idea that anything that destroys human life or the life force is evil and the question of whether or not the WWII vet is evil I would argue it depends upon context. From the point of view of the nazi, they are not evil, the allies are. From the point of view of the allies, the nazi's are. What about the rank and file German soldier? Are they evil? I would argue, no. They were in a war situation with horrible choices. Was Hitler and all of his zealots evil? Yes they were evil.

    In summary, judgement of others is not something I endorse except when human life or the life force is destroyed. When that happens then judgement of good/evil is required and the answer is dependent upon the direction from which you evaluate the situation. Although it would be wonderful for all of mankind to have a singular belief of what evil is, it will unfortunately, never happen.

    I recently read "People of the Lie.". It has a similar point of view. I recommend it to those of you that know people who destroy the life force of others and are trying to come to grips with its impact on you and your loved ones. Although the author tries to keep religion out of his analysis, he is not completely successful - just keep this in mind as you read.

    Regards,
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    WhiteFeather, I recall any bunking horns with you

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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    What???

    How dare you say you're sorry ...




    Luv ya man

    This is exactly what I wanted to say to you on the other thread.
    Accepting an apology makes it look as if one still considers the other party as guilty.

    (oh, shoot, now I can't even apologize to Whitefeather for interrupting his thread)

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)

    (oh, shoot, now I can't even apologize to Whitefeather for interrupting his thread)
    I think WhiteFeather will forgive us ... he has a rather large heart.


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    Hi Whitefeather... awesome timing! and thank you! I have been on the sidelines, as I pretty much always am, following many of the recent threads here and finding it incredible at how so many different "flavours" of personality types have been "clashing" so to speak with their belief systems. I began to have a certain phrase reinforced within me and that is the one that says "no matter how hard one trys, they will NEVER EVER please everyone else with their beliefs. And that is where the "clash" begins....with those others that immediately disagree. ( it is called "free will" ) And how are we to deal with their disagreeing? As difficult as it is gonna sound and be to do....we are to love them!
    And then I LOVE what "Little Grandmother" says about us not having any right to judge another and that it is "none of our business what another thinks of us". God I love that! And am gonna continue to live by it.
    Thanks again Whitefeather!
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    Thank you White Feather, the timing for this video couldn't have been more perfect.
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    I have no idea what the OP is about, but I think Whitefeather's incidental endorsement of Keisha Crowther is good to have on record since the young lady tends to come in for quite a bit of flak at times. Thank you.


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    the Hopi Elders suggest that now is a good time not to take anything personally...

    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    Quote Posted by wynderer (here)
    White Feather -- it's possible that the EMF/HAARP stuff has been set to the Human anger--generating/inducing frequencies the last few days

    good time to lay low

    wyn
    Yes the energy has been a little weird as of late.... i must agree. And As i have often listened to Dolores Cannon's perspective on Karma is to just let it go (release the anger), this is the Key to New Earth and moving forward, if you will. Love You All Peeps. Wanishi. Enjoy The Day.


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    Quote Posted by Vangelo (here)
    Thanks for sharing this message Whitefeather. Apologies are indeed a measure of a good man.

    I do not want to derail your message so please feel free to move this response if it does so.

    The vast majority of Little Grandma's messages resonate with me however, I have difficulty accepting the notion that all human beings are good. At a very basic level, I believe there is right and wrong - good and evil. For me, these two dichotomies are sourced from life - human life and can be expressed as - anything that results in the destruction of human life is bad. A person who destroys human life or the life force is evil. People who kill, torture, rape ... for pleasure or for ego are evil - as are people who destroy other people's will to live.

    Please note that I am labeling those individuals as bad and evil. I am indeed being judgmental but I want to be clear that I limit this to those things that destroy human life and I reject any and all other forms of judgement.

    Whenever I offer this point of view to those folks who reject any kind of judgement, they will inevitably argue that allowing for one form of judgement will lead to all things being judged or nothing being judged. This line of reasoning (which has a formal name that escapes me) is faulty. The argument often flows like this... They will say that the soldiers of the Crusade were clearly evil and if you accept that they were indeed evil then all soldiers are evil. If you agree to that they will say, your grandfather, the WWII vet is evil. If you then reject that argument and say that your grandfather is absolutely not evil, they will then reverse the logic back and say that all soldiers are good and the Crusade was not evil. This is the fallacy of the incremental argument and it can be exemplified like this:
    Does one hair make a beard?
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    Ok, then 999 must also make a beard right? Answer: Yes
    At what point do we no longer have a beard, how many hairs?
    It is true that a beard is made-up of individual hairs, however the belief that a single hair is the characteristic that makes something a beard is not true. A beard is a beard independent of the exact number of hairs. We often get caught in this way of thinking. It is a dangerous to do so because it leads to erroneous conclusions. 1000 hairs do not make a beard, but a clump of hair on one's face does, it depends upon the context - and context is key.

    Going back to the idea that anything that destroys human life or the life force is evil and the question of whether or not the WWII vet is evil I would argue it depends upon context. From the point of view of the nazi, they are not evil, the allies are. From the point of view of the allies, the nazi's are. What about the rank and file German soldier? Are they evil? I would argue, no. They were in a war situation with horrible choices. Was Hitler and all of his zealots evil? Yes they were evil.

    In summary, judgement of others is not something I endorse except when human life or the life force is destroyed. When that happens then judgement of good/evil is required and the answer is dependent upon the direction from which you evaluate the situation. Although it would be wonderful for all of mankind to have a singular belief of what evil is, it will unfortunately, never happen.

    I recently read "People of the Lie.". It has a similar point of view. I recommend it to those of you that know people who destroy the life force of others and are trying to come to grips with its impact on you and your loved ones. Although the author tries to keep religion out of his analysis, he is not completely successful - just keep this in mind as you read.

    Regards,
    Vangelo
    IMO.....Eventually, they (The Evil Dwellers) will have to judge them-self as they leave this physical body/plane upon the death experience, to observe what lessons they may or may have not learned in accordance with the soul collective. Hopefully they may try and figure it out in their next incarnation. And if not... they will send them-self back upon their own judgement so to repeat proverbial kindergarten class again, coloring pictures, repeating the alphabet, taking a milk and cookie break and figuring out very small puzzles.
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