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    Default Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country” JFK

    Hi everyone, we (regular people) cannot arrest the elite. That’s obvious!

    But we (the masses), as a huge group of billions of individuals, also have a certain ‘power’ because there is power in numbers, and we can join together to inform and to support in many different ways all sort of influential and high level honest people who have the capacity of doing that task (arresting the elite). And those people would be, for instance: military personnel, police officers, Federal Marshals, Sheriffs, militias, local officials at town halls, etc.

    So, this thread proposes a proactive attitude as opposed to a passive attitude:

    Quote http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/diction.../proactive.php

    Definition of proactive: Controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than waiting to respond to it after it happens.
    Drake talks about that too, about what each one of us can do to help the common good, and he encourages us to join in and help in this team effort.

    JFK talked about that too:

    Quote “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country”

    "Let every nation know... that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

    "All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin."

    John F. Kennedy
    When people talk about the problems in the world, we hear different kinds of opinions. Some people say: “What can we do to help?” Others say: “We can do nothing!” Others say: “We can do at least something instead of nothing!”

    But if there was NOTHING we could do to help, why coming to this forum in the first place? If we really couldn’t do anything at all, this forum (and other similar ones) would be a waste of time and we’d better close it and go do something else: play, watch TV, sleep, etc.

    But no, this forum is not a waste of time, and any little thing anybody can do to help isn’t either. Every little piece of help is valuable and welcome because it can help to change the final outcome. It’s like a summation of forces: all of them count, big and small!

    So, this is an idea of SOMETHING anybody could do to help:
    Anybody can send e-mails to high level and influential honest people to inform them and alert them of what’s going on in the world, and ask them to please join in and help.

    We could inform them about 911-inside job; Drake & Co. efforts to arrest the elite, David Wilcock’s articles (Financial Tyranny); About the basic videos where they explain the illuminati conspiracy: “Freedom to Fascism”, by Aaron Russo; “The Money Masters”, by Bill Still; “911 Mysteries”; “THRIVE”; “Zeitgeist”; the www.AE911TRUTH.org………. etc.
    After that, two things could happen:
    1) Once informed, those high level people don’t do anything about it. Nothing, nada!

    Then, forget it, because this civilization is probably not worthy of moving up to the next level of evolution and might have to be reseted and start all over again (as what happened to Atlantis?).

    2) Once informed, there is a critical mass of high level people who are honest, wise and brave enough, and who decide to do something about it supported by us: the critical mass of millions of aware and awake regular people.

    Then, this civilization might be worthy of moving up to the next level of evolution, and we may even have a BIG PARTY at the end to celebrate it.
    One more thing:
    If you listen to what the Electrical Engineer Pedro Gaete has to say (see links below), and in case he happens to be correct (we don’t know for sure but there is a probability he could be), then, this would be a race against the clock (as it was also explained in the Anglo Saxon Mission).

    So, who will win the race? Who will neutralize whom first? Will humanity wake up first and stop the elite, or will the elite nock us down first definitively?

    Post 1. The Elite’s Secret Plan to Artificially Provoke Dec-2012 Cataclysm Revealed…?
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ysm-Revealed--

    Post 17, pag. 1. The elite might have the means, motive and opportunity to provoke an artificial global cataclysm on Dec-12
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post481379
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    Now then, I’ve done a google search and I’ve realized that it is relatively easy to collect thousands of public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel (Note: I don’t mean private e-mail addresses, but e-mail addresses that are already openly published in military websites).

    This is how you do it:

    Google search: us military email address
    http://www.google.es/search?num=100&....0.IBNGPS0FVqs

    The following website explains how to get public military e-mail addresses:
    Email Our Troops! Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Coast Guardsmen and Airmen
    http://www.usafns.com/email.shtml
    In that website they explain that many USA military e-mails addresses at the Army Mil website end with the letters “@us.army.mil” (Note: although each different military website may have its own different e-mail address ending. You’ll just have to search it with google and see the e-mail ending of each military website), like this:
    Template: [firstname].[lastname]@us.army.mil
    Example: John Smith's US Army Email address would be john.smith@us.army.mil
    Google search: “@us.army.mil”

    That search yields 1.300.000 results with tons of public military e-mail addresses:

    http://www.google.es/search?num=100&....0.0Lf1mHWl7aE

    They are also for sale: Millions of harvested U.S government and U.S military email addresses offered for sale
    http://blog.webroot.com/2012/03/16/m...ered-for-sale/

    I think there are also automatic harvesting programs to collect public (not private) e-mail addresses. If anybody knows how to use them, please, let us know.
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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Well, the following list of e-mails addresses is composed of public e-mails from military personnel and other types of public officials, both from the USA and from Europe.

    I must emphasize that these USA military e-mails addresses are not private, but public, since they were all published in official military websites and anybody can find them using a simple google search (as I explained in Post #1).

    I insist: all the e-mail addresses of the following list are already openly published in different websites, and non of them were obtained privately or by any other means (hacking, etc.).


    So, I’d like to ask permission from Bill Ryan and the moderators of this forum to publish this list of e-mail addresses in this thread. But in case they think it is not appropriate, I’d like to ask any other user if they could publish that list in a private blog so that we can all have access to it.

    In that case, I could post in this thread the link to that blog with the list of e-mail addresses.

    It would also be nice if there were people with computer programming skills who could help organize and update that long list of military e-mails: to put them in order so that they are not repeated, to update the list, etc.

    Thanks.

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    LIST OF PUBLIC E-MAILS ADDRESSES FROM INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE AND INSTITUTIONS IN SOCIETY:

    Note: the following list is just a small sample of the tons of public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel published in military websites that anybody can find using a simple google search, as it is explained at the end of Post #1.

    * Public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel at the “US Army War Collage”

    They can be google searched using the extention “@conus.army.mil” in the following website:
    Web: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/
    ...
    * Public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel at Army.mil - Official site of the United States Army
    http://www.army.mil/

    Google search for: "@us.army.mil" site:www.army.mil
    ...
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    [Mod-edit:
    I deleted the actual list of email addresses above. As another poster notes below, supporting what might be considered to be email spamming of .mil addresses could just cause the military to block its members from viewing this site. That would be an unfortunate unintended consequence. -Paul.]

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    IMPORTANT NOTICE:

    A small sample list (Note: obtained by a simple google search) of about 260 public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel and about 300 high level people in Europe has been posted in the following Spanish forum:
    Post 66, pag 7. List of many public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel
    http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria...ml#post6318713

    Post 65, pag 7. List of many public e-mail addresses from high level people in Europe (government, media, etc.)
    http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria...ml#post6318631
    The instructions of how to obtain those public e-mail addresses using a simple google search is posted in Post #1 of this thread.

    If anyone of you would like to complete and expand that list by google searching for more high level people public e-mail addresses from USA, Europe or other countries, please, let us know and I can post the additional public e-mail addresses in the previous Spanish forum. Thanks.
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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    I reserve this post to publish the long list of public e-mail addresses in case Bill Ryan and the moderators don't mind.

    In case they object, I would ask somebody to please publish the list in a private blog or website, and I’ll link to it here.

    Thanks.
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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Hey mate,

    If you manage to gather a really large group of persons, I mean really large, like millions, under the single purpose of destroying the so called elite, then you don´t need to do any sophisticated maneuver, send any emails or do any petitions.

    You just have to do one thing. One single thing. Just tell every single person of this group to simply close their bank accounts! That´s all! Do it, and the "elite" is done!

    It´s really that simple.

    Now, as I´ve told before, it wont be easy, because most people are pretty good in sending emails and complaining, but pretty lazy about getting their hands dirty.

    I just ask one thing. Does anyone here, who believes mass arrests, white hats, this sorts of things, and supports Drakes/Wilcock/Fulford, actually still have a bank account?

    I mean, closing your bank account is a much more realistic and efficient approach to bleed the bankers to death than arresting them!

    Even better! Ask Drake, Wilcock and Fulford, if they have bank accounts! I bet they have!

    So, things are simple and complex at the same time.

    Things are simple because it only requires a single individual action to change things forever. Things are complex because no one wants to act!

    People want to remove the elite and arrest the bankers, but people don´t want to stop supporting their services! Now, that´s impossible! It´s just a big hypocrisy and incoherence!

    How the hack is it possible to want to brake a thing and, at same time, want to continue using it!

    It´s the same thing as someone saying: "Oh, I hate my car! What a piece of crap! I will blow it up with dynamite today, but tomorrow I´ll use it again to go to work, because I hate to walk!" How is that possible?

    Folks, publicly complaining and transferring your responsibilities to others is very easy and makes you look like a cool political activist, but, besides that, it doesn´t changes nothing.

    Action changes things, but acting requires real sacrifices.

    Please, raise you hand if you complain about the banks and still use their services!

    Please,Raise your hands if you complain about the soulless big corporations, like oil companies and car companies, but you´re too lazy to stop buying fuel, stop using your car and going to work on foot or riding a bike!

    We all know the problems, we all know the solutions, but we´re all too lazy to act. That´s it.

    If any of you think I´m wrong, I´m really interested in listening to your arguments.

    Being "awake" is a very fashionable word these days. But how can someone be "awake", if the same person is still enjoying and loving the so many conveniences and comforts of the dream?

    Self proclaimed "awakened" people is not what we need, and it´s nothing more than a warm ego massage.

    It´s just like the guy I saw the other day, on a pro-socialism parade, wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt and filming it with his brand new iphone. Pure hypocrisy. Pathetic.

    Please folks, stop typing words on a keyboard to pretend you´re actually doing something, while you have a big coca-cola bottle on your fridge, you´re loving your brand new ipad, you´re enjoying the comforts of your bank account or the convenience of your beloved car, because this is not helping at all.

    Cheers,

    Raf.
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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Hi everyone, I’ve talked to a moderator about publishing the long list of public e-mails addresses from high level people in the military, etc., and he told me it was ok to post at least part of the list (not the full one if it was too long), and also he was concerned that this project does not become a call for violence.

    So, this is my response to that moderator:

    Reply to PM 1:

    Hi, thank you. And don’t worry about that [a call for violence] because my point of view is that this needs to be a PEACEFUL Re-Evolution. Not a classical “revolution” but a “New Evolution”, a peaceful one, a new evolutionary process for humanity.

    The idea of sending e-mails to high level people in the military, etc., is only to inform them of what’s going on (in case some of them still don’t know) and to ask them for help to arrest the elite, but in a peaceful and civilized manner.

    Well, and also to tell those high level people from the military: “Hey, we (millions of regular people) know what’s going on, and we support you [to do the mass arrests]. Go for it!”

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    Reply to PM 2:

    Ok, that’s fine, so what I’ll do is to post only part of the public e-mail addresses from different military and official websites (from USA and Europe), and I’ll do that only in Posts #2 and #3 of that [this] thread, and not in any other posts.

    That would be like showing people a sample of the list so that they can see and realize it is possible to obtain those types of public e-mails addresses using a simple google search.

    And for the rest of the e-mail addresses, I won’t publish them in the forum, but I’ll ask for help from people with computer programming skills to set up a blog or something where the rest of the list could published, put in order, updated, etc.

    Please, if somebody with computer skills could set up a blog to publish all the e-mail addresses, or knows how to order it (perhaps with Excell?), etc., contact me. Thanks.


    P.S. I am going to organize a little bit the current list, and will post it in Posts #2 and #3 of this thread probably later today.
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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    I am with RMorgan. The way to be proactive, its simple. The checkout at the grocery store is actually your voting booth. Every time you make a purchase, you are casting your vote. You want to vote for corporations, then keep buying their products. If you want to vote for the small farmers, mom & pop stores & local businesses, then buy their products. Close your Federal Reserve affiliated bank accounts & open up an account at your local credit union. Stop using plastic, stop feeding the money/debt system. Live within your means. Stop complaining. Start using your head.

    Best regards, turiya

    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    Hey mate,

    If you manage to gather a really large group of persons, I mean really large, like millions, under the single purpose of destroying the so called elite, then you don´t need to do any sophisticated maneuver, send any emails or do any petitions.

    You just have to do one thing. One single thing. Just tell every single person of this group to simply close their bank accounts! That´s all! Do it, and the "elite" is done!

    It´s really that simple.
    Cheers,

    Raf.

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Hi people, in Post #2 I’ve posted a small sample of public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel which were obtained from different military websites using a simple google search, as explained at the end of Post #1.

    But if you do an in depth google search, you could find hundreds/thousands more similar e-mail addresses.

    I still need to add another similar sample list of high level people from Europe, which I’ll post in Post #3.

    Please, if anybody with computer skills could help organize all those e-mails addresses (put them in order using Excell...?, set up a blog to post the complete list, etc.), let us know.

    Thanks.

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    We can do small things like CLOSE your BANK account and open one at a Credit Union, You can get up off of your butt and gather hard evidence, the kind you know your friends will pay attention to, give it a try, if they do not respond move on.

    Prepare your family for changes by having everything you need to survive if things shut down for a while... Form a group for you local area on meetup.com or blogs like this and start forming a plan using each of your talents... Make signs and stand out in front of companies that are the evil do'ers... and rotate around to a different company/organization and watch your numbers grow. BE NON violent like Gandhi...

    DO SOMETHING to help the cause or SHUT UP and stop complaining... Become a part of the solution and not a part of a chorus of people bitching and whining... boo hoo etc. If you expect others to fight ALL of your battles you will never be on the side of the victor. Really, contribute and do something for the good of your brothers and sisters... most of all AVOID the divisions that the Political process is designed to cause... You are NOT a DEM, you are NOT a REP... You are an AMERICAN! Act like one and stand up for your right (Wise words from the great Bob Marley)!!!

    That’s it... that is all you have to do... simple is it not? Well it should be a simple decision to make, escape from the slave mentality that you have been programmed with your whole life. PLEASE!


    Much love people, just WAKE UP!

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Quote Posted by qbeac (here)
    Well, the following list of e-mails addresses is composed of public e-mails from military personnel and other types of public officials, both from the USA and from Europe.
    ALL this will do is cause Avalon and sites like it to be blocked totally and Military people will not have access to this info especially while deployed. It will cause more problems than it would solve... NOT a good idea MODS... Take my word for it please.
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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Quote Posted by qbeac (here)
    Hi everyone, we (regular people) cannot arrest the elite. That’s obvious!

    But we (the masses), as a huge group of billions of individuals, also have a certain ‘power’ because there is power in numbers, and we can join together to inform and to support in many different ways all sort of influential and high level honest people who have the capacity of doing that task (arresting the elite). And those people would be, for instance: military personnel, police officers, Federal Marshals, Sheriffs, militias, local officials at town halls, etc.
    In my best(not so good) Yoda voice to Luke Skywalker qbeac: "That, is why you fail". In the very first paragraph of your well thought out post, you have voluntarily given away your Creator Power to "people who have the capacity". Thus, the game is automatically over by default before it begins.

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Hi everyone, I’ve read the comments some of you have made saying this is not a good idea (the one explained in Post #1 of this thread). I respect your point of view but mine is different, and let me explain something which is a fact of life and it is empirically proven, and I know it not because I have heard of it, but because I have experienced it myself first hand:

    It is a fact that there are still many influential people in society who could help building a better world, but who are not yet aware and awake and, therefore, they remain passive.

    And the reason why they aren’t still aware and awake is simply because nobody has informed them or because they have not yet found the suppressed information by themselves (Ex: 911 = inside job, the illuminati conspiracy, the banking system fraud…. etc., etc., etc.)

    And let me give you some specific real examples:

    - In my town, I have several friends who are policemen and military who are aware and awake, and I know for a fact that many of their friends inside the police and military forces (both regular policemen and police “bosses”) DO NOT know yet about the suppressed info (the illuminati conspiracy, etc.). My friends tell me that’s due in part to the fact that nobody has told them about it or because they haven’t taken the time to inform themselves, and that’s why they still believe the official version of events (Ex: the lie that Bin Laden did 911) and don’t realize they (we) all have been fooled.

    - Exactly the same thing as above happens with local politicians I personally know (I have some family members in local political parties), and also with very high level politicians on a national level who are honest (as far as I know) and who live in my town and with whom I have personally spoken about this matters (that’s why I know for a fact that’s the case).

    Btw, do you know how Jesse Ventura found out about the illuminati conspiracy (911 inside job, etc.)?

    Answer: Because his son told him about it (Jesse explains this himself in a video). His son insisted: “father, watch this video… father, watch this video… etc.”

    So, Jesse’s son did a great job by the proactive attitude of telling his father (Jesse) what was really going on in the world when his father (Jesse) still didn’t know about it even though he was the Governor of Minnesota.

    Jesse’s son could have sat down and waited passively till his father found out by himself. But not, Jesse’s son went ahead and TOLD his father about it. Jesse’s son SHOWED Jesse the info. And that’s great!

    That is solid proof that highly influential honest people can be highly misinformed!

    That’s also solid proof that the proactive attitude of TELLING others about the suppressed info and SHOWING it to them, is a good and useful thing to do to help to awaken people and to help the common good.

    Therefore: it is indeed good to politely inform others (as this thread proposes).

    Btw, maybe Jesse’s son informed his father by e-mail, as this thread proposes to do with other influential people in society? If that was the case (at least sometimes), that was a perfectly legitimate and useful thing to do on the part of Jesse’s son: he used the tool of Internet (sending e-mails and links, etc.) for the common good.

    Well, the same thing applies to the idea proposed on Post #1-#2-#3 of this thread.


    Another important subject: debunkers.

    There are professional debunkers who are always very much interested in attacking, blocking, discrediting, making fun of, and suppressing the spreading of good ideas and initiatives regarding the suppressed information. That’s what happens in many Internet forums, and anybody who has participated in Internet forums is aware of this fact and has probably seen many specific examples of it.

    Another vital fact: MSM collective deception.

    If more high level people who are honest, wise, and brave were aware and awake, the situation in the world would have changed for the better a long time ago. But it hasn’t because the illuminati have been very clever in taking control of most of the MSM (Mainstream Media) and most sources of “quality and reliable” information in order to keep us misinformed, fooled, and under MIND control, because they control the information the masses receive on a daily bases.

    And the previous situation applies both to regular people as well as high level people: all of us have been victims of this BIG collective illuminati deception.

    Therefore, if we help to dissolve the deception, that will surely help the common good.


    CONCLUSIONS
    - Based on the above considerations, there is no doubt that it is a useful thing to do to inform others, especially to high level people, and to do it on a proactive manner, that is, politely talking to them and showing them the info about what is going on in the world. And if more people would do that (inform others and especially high level people), the better would be and the faster we would achieve a better world.

    - The list of e-mail addresses posted on Post #2 is public knowledge, they are not private e-mail addresses, they are not hidden, they are published in different military websites and anybody can find those e-mails using a simple google search.

    - But perhaps some people didn’t know those public e-mails addresses existed or could be easily found with a simple google search. I didn’t know it until I found them.

    - Therefore, the proactive action of facilitating other people access to the knowledge of the existence of those e-mail addresses, just in case they would like to send them an e-mail to politely inform them, is a perfectly legal, useful, and legitimate thing to do.

    - If other people prefer to do other types of legal, useful, and legitimate things in order to help getting a better world (Ex: riding a bicycle to save gasoline, trying not to use bank accounts, buying from local stores, etc., etc.), that’s perfect and fine too. Go for it!

    - In other words, there is not a single way or a single thing that we can do to help the common good, but a multiplicity of ways.

    - So, just choose your own way (as Frank Sinatra used to say), the one you like best and feel more comfortable with. And in the case of people who are not debunkers, why would they want to criticize the legitimate ways others choose to take in order to help the common good?

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    yesterday I listened to part of a radio interview with Drake in which he explained some sort of issue he had with Kerry and/or Camelot (issue I didn’t really understand too well), and now I go to Kerry’s blog and read this note:

    Quote Kerry's Blog. I SPOKE WITH DRAKE THIS EVENING
    Monday, 07 May 2012 23:06. Written by Kerry Cassidy
    http://projectcamelotportal.com/inde...d=218#comments

    Excerpt: Considering the magnitude fo [of] the misunderstanding on Drake's part, I decided to cut to the chase and call him this evening….snip… He has given me permission to write the following:

    "Drake recognizes he had the wrong party, it was Avalon... Drake has agreed to read my post tomorrow morning his time and post a retraction/apology tomorrow on his Facebook."
    Please, does anybody know what has happened between Drake and Avalon?

    Was Drake perhaps trying to register at Avalon to explain his POV, or what happened? Has he attempted to register? If so, will he be allowed to… or what’s the problem...???

    Is there a summary of the incident somewhere?

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    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
    ALL this will do is cause Avalon and sites like it to be blocked totally and Military people will not have access to this info especially while deployed. It will cause more problems than it would solve... NOT a good idea MODS... Take my word for it please.
    Good point, Corey.

    But, dang, I wish you had Reported your post, or an earlier post in this thread, with your concern.

    The odds were substantially less than 50-50 of any mod noticing your post. As threads go, this one is not the most engaging reading - a list of email addresses .

    I will put your post in the Report queue now, for the mods to discuss.

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    Quote Posted by qbeac (here)
    Well, the following list of e-mails addresses is composed of public e-mails from military personnel and other types of public officials, both from the USA and from Europe.
    As noted in a Mod-edit to Post #2 of this thread, and after discussing it with the mod team, I have deleted the actual list of email addresses from that post.

    As another poster noted above, supporting what might be considered to be email spamming of .mil addresses could just cause the military to block its members from viewing this site. That would be an unfortunate and unintended consequence.

    Sorry for the run around qbeac ... I realize the mod team (myself included) gave you permission to post those email addresses a day ago. I think I called that one wrong.
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    Quote Posted by qbeac (here)
    Well, the following list of e-mails addresses is composed of public e-mails from military personnel and other types of public officials, both from the USA and from Europe.
    There is a difference between providing one or two publicly visible email addresses in a particular context, which invites contact on that particular context, and scraping a large number of email addresses with an invitation to "spam" them in bulk - meaning sending them email which they have not expressed an interest in receiving.
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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Hi Paul, by the things you and others say in this thread, it seems that this particular thread (or its proposal) may cause differences of opinions in people. But that’s what forums are for, to peacefully express our different opinions, aren’t they?

    And those differences have a lot to do with the meaning of the words we each use to communicate concepts and ideas and how each person interprets those words.

    For instance, what is exactly the definition of spam?

    When can a particular piece of information (whatever) be considered spam, or when cannot? When is it appropriate or inappropriate to do something (whatever)? When should a particular action or project or initiative be considered legal or illegal, legitimate or illegitimate, lawful or unlawful, ethical or unethical, moral or unmoral, necessary or unnecessary, convenient or inconvenient, etc.?

    And the distinction between those two polarities (good versus bad, up versus down, etc.), and also the appreciation of the scale of “greys” in between, is of extreme importance.

    For instance, so far, about 60% of the people who have voted in the Poll think that:

    Quote 3a- I’d like to help by informing influential honest people of what’s going on in the world

    (supported by about 60% of the voters, May-9-2012)
    And we may ask: If that’s what they want to do using their freewill (to politely “inform influential honest people of what’s going on in the world”), is it appropriate or inappropriate, legitimate or illegitimate, ethical or unethical, etc.… that those 60% are given help to contact the influential people?

    And at this point some people may think “sure”, others “no”, others “maybe”, and others “depends”.

    So, what I think we could do is to give the members of this Avalon forum the opportunity to freely express their opinions about this matter, that is, about whether they think the proposal of this thread is one thing or the other: appropriate or inappropriate, moral or unmoral, ethical or unethical, convenient or inconvenient, etc., etc.

    In order to do that, I’ve open a new thread so that everybody can freely express their own opinions about this topic:

    Do you think we regular people have the right to contact our high level representatives?
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...epresentatives

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Hi people, I’ve just found an excellent thread to support Drake’s plan to arrest the elite, this is it:

    Quote The Anti-Cabal Action Plan
    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1824953/pg1

    In Post #1, user Geologic says:

    “…One of the other thread here had a tiny excerpt of my notes from the Wilcock/Drake interview - where I referred to the Anti-Cabal Action Plan (ACAP)…”
    And if any of you would like to support Drake’s plan, one thing that anybody can do is to send a polite e-mail to as many high level people as possible to inform them about what’s going on in the world (Drake’s plan, 911 = inside job, etc.). Some of them might be honest people who will listen, wake up, and do something about it.

    To facilitate that action, in the following 2 posts you’ll find a long list of public e-mail addresses (not private addresses, they can be obtained by a simple google search) from high level people in USA and Europe:
    Post 66, pag 7. List of many public e-mail addresses from USA military personnel
    http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria...ml#post6318713

    Post 65, pag 7. List of many public e-mail addresses from high level people in Europe (government, media, etc.)
    http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria...ml#post6318631
    In the previous Spanish forum (burbuja) somebody also thinks that this proposal is a good idea. I’ll translate the short post where it says so:

    Quote Post #67. http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria...ml#post6319938

    User antartida says:

    “I guess you will do it [Note: to send a polite e-mail to as many high level people as possible in USA and Europe], please tell us if you receive an answer, even negative. Surely, if all these [high level] people will listen to the truth at least once, there is a good chance there will be rapid progress. Let’s see what happens.

    Thanks and encouragement”

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    So far, and according to this poll, there is still a majority of people who say:

    Quote 3a- I’d like to help by informing influential honest people of what’s going on in the world
    Voters: 54.84%
    And in the following poll, 100% of the voters think that doing that is legal, legitimate, lawful, ethical, moral, appropriate, convenient, necessary, and it is not spam.
    Do you think we (regular people) have the right to contact our high level representatives to inform them about grave issues? And is it appropriate that we do it?
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...epresentatives
    So, for those of you who would like to do that, and in order to facilitate you that task, in post #17 of this thread you’ll find the links to a list of many public e-mails addresses of high level people from the USA and Europe.

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    Hi people, I’ve seen the following message about the mass arrests on the following website, but I do not know if the message really comes from Drake or not, and I cannot find the original link to the message.

    Quote http://nesaranews.blogspot.com.es/2012/05/drake.html
    May-17-2012

    Hello All:

    If we all help pass the information on. We will be helping the ones doing the legal part to rid us of those that would control us. The arrest should start in the next few days.

    God Bless Love to all

    Drake
    Does anyone know if Drake is the original author of this message, or if it is just disinfo…???

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    Default Re: Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what… snip… ask what you can do for your country”

    This is interesting! Kerry Cassidy has published a proposal which, in essence, is similar to the one this thread proposes: it encourages regular people to contact as many high level people as possible to inform them about grave and important topics. In the case of this thread, the subject is Drake’s plan to arrest the elite, etc., and in Kerry’s case, the subject is Bradley Manning.

    Kerry’s proposal even goes two steps further because it offers a website where the task of contacting high level people is facilitated by two things: (a) a Facebook ad campaign to encourage as many regular people as possible to send letters to media outlets, and (b) an automatic software tool to help regular people contacting as many media outlets as possible:

    Quote HELP BRADLEY MANNING: NOTIFY LOCAL MEDIA TO COVER HIS TRIAL!!!
    http://projectcamelotportal.com/inde...=31&Itemid=218

    Thank you so much for writing a letter to the editor encouraging your media to increase its coverage of Pfc. Bradley Manning’s trial. We need your help to build this campaign:

    CLICK HERE TO SEND LETTERS... it's easy and they do most all the work for you!

    https://secure.firedoglake.com/page/...m&subsource=v1

    That's why we're running targeted Facebook ads urging Bradley Manning supporters to request their local media outlets cover his next pre-trail hearing. We've even put together an easy-to-use online media contact tool that will allow people to get in touch with their local news outlets in a matter of moments.

    Media contact tool:
    http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s...nning-coverage
    So, the question is:

    Does anybody consider the proposal of this thread (about Drake) to be spam, inappropriate, illegitimate, unethical, etc., but Kerry’s proposal (about Bradley Manning) not to be spam, and be appropriate, legitimate, ethical, etc.? Or both are? Or both aren’t? Why?

    I don’t know about you, but my personal opinion is the same as 100% of the voters of this thread:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...epresentatives

    Also, is there anybody with computer programming skills who could set up a similar automatic tool as the one indicated in Kerry Cassidy’s website, but for the Drake’s case?

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