someone took offence to the georgia guidstones lol

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

http://justgetthere.us/blog/plugin/t...%20guidestones

[Fredkc]

"My God! It's full of stars!" (and covered with paint)

[lightblue]

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i often wondered why was it not taken down ages ago...the very same way it was erected (secretly), it could have been taken down....not surprised it was messed with...of course it's offensive - to say the least... advocating a comprehensive population reduction is diabolical..the characters who devised this plan surely won't have it their way... l

[Bill Ryan]

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In the article GEORGIA GUIDESTONES DEFACED, one commenter writes:

Could someone with the resources and skills please bulldoze or destroy these things?

Where's EARTH FIRST when they are needed?

(Reference: the wonderful book The Monkey Wrench Gang by Edward Abbey...)

[Operator]

I wonder who would claim loss of property when someone destroyed those ...

The article is from April 23. 2009 ... so it's probably not done again but this is the same case as I recall it. Has it been cleaned up in the mean time,
did someone show up for 'maintenance' ?

Although I'd rather see them removed it needs to be said that the stones do NOT talk about depopulation but maintain the population under 500 Million.
Which makes the text maybe even more sinister .... and how should this be interpreted ?

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Hahaha classic in your face defiance of the agenda...

These things will be taken down one day I betcha! The Nazi stones I call them...

Just a pity they reference that Jesus guy - but then again something tells me that was just apart of the 'cover' - you know blame the "insert anything here"

[RedeZra]

Van Smith's impressive research in the "Decoding the Georgia Guidestones"

As the story goes, a middle aged man walked into Elberton Granite Finishing Company on a Friday afternoon in June, 1979. It just so happened that no one else in the office was available to talk to him, so the company’s president, the energetic, ambitious and reportedly quirky Freemason Joe Fendley, greeted the man who introduced himself as Robert C. Christian.

is there a link between Christian Rosenkreuz - the legendary founder of the secret Rosicrucian Order as presented in the three Manifestos published in the early 17th century - and Robert C. Christian - Author of the Georgia Guidestones

in the Rosicrucian Manifestos - the initials indicates the initiates

in the explanatory tablet of the Georgia Guidestones
the word "pseudonyn" is misspelled in reference to the Author

Author: R.C. Christian
(a pseudonyn)

perhaps it indicates that the Author's middle initial is not really "C" - but an increment of +1 - which gives the letter "D" in the +1 position in the Author's middle name


Robert Edward "Ted" Turner III - the Mouth from the South

- perhaps the largest private landowner in US

A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.
– Ted Turner, founder of CNN in Atlanta, Georgia, Kappa Sigma alumnus and donor of $1-billion to the United Nations

the Georgia Guidestones hints to a new world order with one world court in an age of reason
where an elite will guide and maintain at most 500 mill people in all aspects of life - also reproduction - in perpetual balance with nature

this is the closest to Heaven for the elite for they are not welcome there

these are copycats that want their own flock of sheeple


http://vanshardware.com/2009/12/deco...a-guidestones/

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after a Ted talk with 'experts' the new perfect population number is 2 billion

http://www.jonesreport.com/article/0...urner_911.html

[Decibellistics]

HAHAHAHAHA, I'm really sorry. **** You Read This Rockefeller. LOL

To be honest when I first learned about these I was completely flabbergasted. Of A: How the hell hasn't it been trucked, and why hasn't it been defaced.
If only they were a little more educated in their defacing.

Agreed Ya'll. Although according to a strict scholar of the U.S. Constitution this is perfectly acceptable by law to have standing. Freedom of speech has it's flaws if ya don't want to listen to bull****.

[Elixer]

I agree with Operator. There is no talk on the stones about depopulation and this is the thing that people get hung up on. The stones talk about maintenance.
The way I see it, the Georgia Guidestones are not meant for us, but for a generation of (human) beings after an apocalypse, when the world needs to be repopulated by a new species just developing sentience, or an alien race looking for a new world to inhabit.
In that light the messages on stones serve as a type of manual for how to live on planet Earth.

Just looking at it makes it clear that this thing is made to last a long long time.
The fact that the message is there is multiple languages, indicates that it might also serve this new species as a type of Rosetta stone, to teach them about the languages that are native to this world. To give them an advantage in their development.
Just imagine a caveman-type being scouting the land and suddenly coming across the Georgia Guidestones. Scenarios reminiscent Kubrik's monolith might ensue. The stones will be revered as the one and true guide to life on planet Earth left here by the acients, or the gods.

The monument in that sense becomes a time capsule itself.
The flat stone lying on top is inscribed with (presumably) the same message but in much more ancient languages (Egyptian and Sumerian?) and looks to be made of a much stronger material.
So if this newly arrived or resurfaced population is very very late, the vertical stones with the modern languages will have degraded beyond readability, but the top slab might still be in tact and readable. So the further forward in the future the new species arrives, the farther back in our history they'd have to go in order to relearn language. Quite fractal.

In that light, we can also look at the time capsule that is said to be buried underneath ("placed on ... to be opened on ..." (dates left blank)).
I think that over the centuries these vertical stones will have degraded to the point where they can no longer support the top slab. This might then come down on top of the central pillar, perhaps triggering the reopening of this buried time capsule.
Near the top you can also see there is a type of lever which suggests there might be a mechanism involved.

From this perspective the whole thing is very intelligently designed and might rely on a more or less symetrical process of decay. However since people are urinating on these stones, those plans might be foiled, as urine accelerates stone decay (from what I understand).
Suppose the buried time capsule contains a few high level illuminati or rocicrucians frozen in cryogenic pods or something. They sacrificed themselves for the future of this planet. If they do wake up in this far future era, they'd be like gods, which makes it actually plausible that they'd do something like this.
But now, because people have been pissing on their stones, they might not wake up, ever again.
That would be so ironic.

I am always surprised that there are no counter arguments, no different perspective like this one for instance, brought forth in the alternative media. Everybody has the same opinion: the stones spell out the evil agenda of the evil globalist elite. How much sense does this widely accepted perspective make, really?
There doesn't seem to be one voice out there that tries to come up with a more level-headed explanation. Everybody just follows everybody else. We get angry at this monument while there might not even be a reason for it. Strange, no?

I am not saying everybody's wrong and I am right. I am just pointing out that it is quite possible
to have a completely different perspective on this thing, but that we never seem to hear this.

-Alex

[lightblue]

Elixir,

have you any idea why the stones were erected anonimously?

if this is as constructive a message, why do we not know who constructed the monument? if they speak "on behalf of all of us", why is it we don't know who the authors and architects are? the "maintenance" message sounds like just one of the views - it is not as representative of the entire humanity...so the question remains - who are the people passing the message on? it does matter.. l

[ngogly]

Lets use a bit of logic here.

Is this monument erected as heritage to post apocalyptic civilization? I don't think so. If humanity will be erased from earth then any new civilization starts from scratch. It takes millions of years to come to point where they are able to decode the message. At that time they have their own leaders, agendas, structures in society and do not need any guidance from past. Especially this type guidances, which dictate rules.

If something happens, but part of humanity survives, then we have natural continuation of elites plans and agenda. They are personally there and do not need notebooks made from stone. Slaved people do not care about this stuff either.

If whole world ends and nobody survives and elitists know this, then why to erect something at all?

If we are gone and some aliens come to earth, they are probably interested what happened. They definitely don't need any guidances.

If you want something to last eons you need big pyramid or carved mountain to resist erosion, ice ages and other catastrophes. Not a couple of weak and small blocks of stone, which will be under the soil and covered with forest very soon in middle of nowhere. They may be never found.

Any heritage is valuable to contain knowledge not rules. Those guidestones are built for us. They have no intended impact if visited locally. You need media coverage to transport the message over the planet.

Is it clever plan to reveal illuminati agenda to wider public? Elite plan to propagate revolution and support new age movement with "solid evidence"? Some billionaire went crazy or someone wanted to be important and mystical? We do not know but message is definitely for us.

[Operator]

have you any idea why the stones were erected anonimously?

Same reason we officially don't know about underground bases ... if you would know, you also would know to whom you should address your questions.
It maybe awkward to have to answer these questions.

It takes millions of years to come to point where they are able to decode the message.

Unless you have a part of civilization going underground which you expect to surface in much less time than that.

Still sounds logical to me ...

[jaybee]

Posted by Elixer (here)
I agree with Operator. There is no talk on the stones about depopulation and this is the thing that people get hung up on. The stones talk about maintenance.
The way I see it, the Georgia Guidestones are not meant for us, but for a generation of (human) beings after an apocalypse, when the world needs to be repopulated by a new species just developing sentience, or an alien race looking for a new world to inhabit.
In that light the messages on stones serve as a type of manual for how to live on planet Earth.

Just looking at it makes it clear that this thing is made to last a long long time.
The fact that the message is there is multiple languages, indicates that it might also serve this new species as a type of Rosetta stone, to teach them about the languages that are native to this world. To give them an advantage in their development.
Just imagine a caveman-type being scouting the land and suddenly coming across the Georgia Guidestones. Scenarios reminiscent Kubrik's monolith might ensue. The stones will be revered as the one and true guide to life on planet Earth left here by the acients, or the gods.

[snip]

I am always surprised that there are no counter arguments, no different perspective like this one for instance, brought forth in the alternative media. Everybody has the same opinion: the stones spell out the evil agenda of the evil globalist elite. How much sense does this widely accepted perspective make, really?
There doesn't seem to be one voice out there that tries to come up with a more level-headed explanation. Everybody just follows everybody else. We get angry at this monument while there might not even be a reason for it. Strange, no?

I am not saying everybody's wrong and I am right. I am just pointing out that it is quite possible
to have a completely different perspective on this thing, but that we never seem to hear this.

-Alex

Well said... I attempted to defend the Georgia GUIDEstones in this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...p?3953-Utopian..

I don't know why people get so hung up on them...so paranoid about them.

I think the graffiti is pathetic.... (see opening post link for all of it).... ie 'Obama is a Muslim' and
'Jesus will prevail'... etc..

I can't see the problem with the sentiments expressed on the stones.

Certain people are fond of using the word 'sheeple'.... well isn't having a knee-jerk reaction to the Georgia Stones 'sheeple-ish'.

MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000
IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY —
IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING
NEW LANGUAGE

RULE PASSION — FAITH — TRADITION
AND ALL THINGS
WITH TEMPERED REASON

PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS
WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY
RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES
IN A WORLD COURT

AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS
OFFICIALS

BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH
SOCIAL DUTIES.

PRIZE TRUTH — BEAUTY — LOVE —
SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE
INFINITE

BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH —
LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE —
LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE

The first one causes problems for many...but look at the mess the world is in with over-population... where living in a balance with nature is denied to millions in the concrete jungles around the world... the wars that blight our species because of the wrangling over territory, resources and food.

I see the Gulide stones as just that...a GUIDE...not laws.

That are probably designed to help survivors if there is social breakdown after a disaster of some kind that kills off many/most humans...

Anyway...that's my opinion....

[Elandiel BernElve]

Why are many people offended by this structure? It is a beautiful piece of engineering.
Its a time-capsule with different languages that are preserved. Post apocalyptic people will understand that we used to have knowledge of our solar system and beyond as it is perfectly aligned.

And what is this deeply rooted hate towards the idea there are far too many people on this planet under the current condition??

Face it... they are right! of course with free energy and a non monetary system with equal chances and rights for everyone our mother earth could probably sustain up to 10 billion people.

But that is not the case, we are 6 billion, our numbers keep increasing, we trash this planet like no one else in the universe and most of the terrans dont care or dont wanna know.
And you want to let this happen and see this beautiful place transform into a dead planet?
It is a beautiful vision and idea to have small populations on planets to minimize collatoral damage.

Stating that this planet should have a smaller population is not wishing you were dead!! Its warning us we should change our ways or our planet will be DEAD.

YET on the other hand, the means by which the illuminati and PTB want to achieve it are WRONG, killing is never the answer! So yes, I dont want anything to do with them nor am i affiliated with them.

I dont agree with everything thats written on the structure, and it reeks of illuminati style forms of control.

But pissing on a structure that tries to preserve some civilization and especially mother earth makes me speechless
The mystical builder of this structure and his intentions may not be completely right, at least he puts effort in changing the current desperate situation

[Elixer]

I realize my perspective is at odds with the mainstream view of the alternative media. I am not saying that I know my perspective to be right, just that it is a plausible one and a badly needed alternative view.

Lightblue. With a new population, the name of the creator of the monument will not be known, so that wouldn't mean anything. The given name is R.C. Christian. (a pseudonyn...). Words, sounds, languages are also frequency-based. 'Christ' (conscioussness) is some archetypal sound and is not necessarily related to christianity. So this name might have been used to inspire some sense of spitituality.
From my perspective, the monument was created not so much for ego-cratification, but motivated by altruism.
Just look how happy we are to have found the Rosetta stone and how we cling to it. Without it, whole parts of history would remain even more mysterious. To leave some far away future generation a gift like that, could be considered a good deed.

Posted by ngogly (here)
Lets use a bit of logic here.

Is this monument erected as heritage to post apocalyptic civilization? I don't think so. If humanity will be erased from earth then any new civilization starts from scratch. It takes millions of years to come to point where they are able to decode the message. At that time they have their own leaders, agendas, structures in society and do not need any guidance from past. Especially this type guidances, which dictate rules.

Logic doesn't make things necessarily true. There are logical proofs for the existence of god and against it, both equally convincing and your logic is largely based on assumptions.
The new civilisation would start from scratch but thanks to the stones (and other left-overs), they might get a leg up, an acceleration to their development, or at least become curious and start to investigate. A mind-trigger.
I did mention Kubrik's Monolith. Remember those apes?
I think the location of the monument is also specifically chosen. Perhaps with probability of new life emerging in that area in mind. Or there might be some electro magnetic properties to the whole thing that makes it work like a kind of beacon for the aliens.(Who knows? I'm just saying there are possible answers to these questions)
To me, the message does not sound like made up of dictates or rules, but...guidelines. (see below)

Posted by ngogly (here)
If something happens, but part of humanity survives, then we have natural continuation of elites plans and agenda. They are personally there and do not need notebooks made from stone. Slaved people do not care about this stuff either.

Sounds like your quite certain of that.
What if all life is wiped out and the whole thing starts from scratch? Where be the elites then?
If your mind is (set) free, then how much of a slave are you? Are we ourselves not enslaved? Do we not care about this type of stuff?

Posted by ngogly (here)
If whole world ends and nobody survives and elitists know this, then why to erect something at all?

A good deed to shed some karma perhaps.

Posted by ngogly (here)
If we are gone and some aliens come to earth, they are probably interested what happened. They definitely don't need any guidances.

How would you know this?
Why reinvent the wheel? Maybe other inhabited planets come with their own kind of user manual as well. Aliens might come in the form of a Galactica type crew who were forced to flee their homeworlds and are looking for a new place. They might be more like us than we imagine and we sure could use some guidance.

Posted by ngogly (here)
If you want something to last eons you need big pyramid or carved mountain to resist erosion, ice ages and other catastrophes. Not a couple of weak and small blocks of stone, which will be under the soil and covered with forest very soon in middle of nowhere. They may be never found.

How do you know the stones are weak? Look pretty solid to me.
Even if the monument collapses, the stones might remain intact or reconstructable and be readable.
From my perspective these things are well thought out, including the location. They probably took seismic activity, pole shifts, and so on into account. Even if it does get buried, it might be found some day.
Perhaps then it would not serve the noble purpose the makers intended, but would provide a link to the new civilisation's history, our present.

Posted by ngogly (here)
Is it clever plan to reveal illuminati agenda to wider public? Elite plan to propagate revolution and support new age movement with "solid evidence"? Some billionaire went crazy or someone wanted to be important and mystical? We do not know but message is definitely for us.

What makes you so sure?
If it was done by some illuminatus, or rosicrucian, they would have been initiated and made privvy to karmic laws and ways of ascension. They might have held a belief in reincarnation as well. So perhaps they did it for their own progeny, or so they could ascend on a service-to-others path, or something like that.
On another note... The reason the 'evil-doers' reveal their agenda is so that they offer us the choice, leaving them karmically safe. It's the I-told-you-so trick.


Maybe we can do an experiment. Show pictures and quotation of the guidelines to someone who is unaware of all the conspiracies and so on. Try not to influence their opinion and then see what they make of it.

Anybody have anything on the buried time capsule underneath the monument?

Once again, I realize that this perspective conflicts with regularly held beliefs and that I am being somewhat provocative. The answers to the objections raised are also merely possibilities. Perhaps you can come up with better ones, in which case, please share.
All I try to do is get people to open their minds.
Is it working?

For clarity's sake, I've pasted the guidelines here. Tell me this is evil:
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

[Elixer]

I guess I took quite some time composing the previous response. In the mean time there were a few more. Good to see that I am not alone
Great effort there on the other thread, Jaybee. We do seem to be of like mind on this subject.
Amazing to see how strongly people react to these alternative perspectives.

-Alex

[jaybee]

Posted by Elandiel BernElve (here)
But pissing on a structure that tries to preserve some civilization and especially mother earth makes me speechless

That's how I feel and why I am shocked at how quickly some members support the actions of the people who did the hate-filled? graffiti.

[jaybee]

Posted by Elixer (here)
I guess I took quite some time composing the previous response. In the mean time there were a few more. Good to see that I am not alone
Great effort there on the other thread, Jaybee. We do seem to be of like mind on this subject.
Amazing to see how strongly people react to these alternative perspectives.

-Alex

Cheers....

And another excellent and thoughtful post from you on the subject..(#15)

In it you said...

Maybe we can do an experiment. Show pictures and quotation of the guidelines to someone who is unaware of all the conspiracies and so on. Try not to influence their opinion and then see what they make of it.

This is what happened to me about four years ago...before I got into the conspiracy thing. I was on a forum and someone said ...what do you think about the Georgia Guidestones?
Provided a basic info link...I read it and said...something like..well I can't see anything wrong with all that, it all sounds perfectly reasonable....good, in fact.

edit to say.... I wonder who will clean them up, and when?

further edit to add....as I now see that this is an old story, I presume they have been cleaned up now.

[Elixer]

Posted by jaybee (here)
That's how I feel and why I am shocked at how quickly some members support the actions of the people who did the hate-filled? graffiti.

Dissappointing indeed.
But of course, 'knowing' the secret leaders are so untouchable and out of reach, it is great to have something as concrete as this monument to vent your frustration against.
Maybe this is also be part of the reason why people object so strongly to the more positive interpretations...

[xbusymom]

Posted by jaybee (here)
That's how I feel and why I am shocked at how quickly some members support the actions of the people who did the hate-filled? graffiti.

perhaps some people *mistakenly* feel that is the only way they can fight back...
but a backward option came to mind the other day...

and I would not be surprized to find out that TPTB defaced the stones themselves... thereby eliciting another round of media coverage...