Project Camelot Website's New Look ... WTF?

[Mozart]

Avalonians ~


Have you seen the new, totally-overhauled Project Camelot site?


It's a nice look. Very clean. But it's loaded with advertisements -- I can understand that, as it's expensive to run a site, let alone to make a living with any conspiracy site.


But no reference to Bill's Project Avalon? No reference to Bill Ryan, who was VERY MUCH part of the building the foundation of Project Camelot?


WTF?


Bill -- did you agree to be basically zeroed out like this from the current, revamped Project Camelot site?


~Mozart

[christian]

On the main page it says on the right hand side:

About researchers and whistleblowers

We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here.
What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world.
And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth.

Written : 31 December 2008

If you click on > Interviews > Archived ProjectCamelot.org you can find the link to Avalon.

[Mozart]

Christian ~


Yes, I saw those two things that you referenced to, but I dunno ... Bill Ryan seems to be awfully marginalized here.


Am I making an issue where there is none?


There is another part in the "About Us" part...

http://projectcamelotportal.com/inde...120&Itemid=219

... that lists a bit of their history of creating the Project Camelot site together.


But what I'm wondering is that when they split up, Kerry's part was Project Camelot Productions. Now that "Productions" part has been eliminated, reverting the Project Camelot Productions back to the original Project Camelot.


This can be confusing to people, ya know.


Or am I making a fuss where there is none needed? I dunno, man.


~Mozart

[seeingterra]

Hi,

Bill Ryan is no longer part of Project Camelot by his own choosing. In fact Bill has complimented the look of the new site himself.

Bill is on the about us page, but he has no future affiliation with Project Camelot, again by his own choosing. He is now Project Avalon.

So why make drama out of nothing?

Ask Bill if you have an issue

[seeingterra]

FYI: Bill's section on the portal has been gone for over a year. He had not posted any more interviews for a long time and when he was asked if he wanted to keep it we got no reply. So after a while of waiting we removed it to get room for our new material. And there are less ad's now than on the previous one, more fuss buddy.. chill.. Go and look, it is still there.

And yes, it costs a good amount of money to have the site running with all the materials (including the past ones with Bill) and we pay for all of it

[Mozart]

Posted by seeingterra (here)
Hi,

Bill Ryan is no longer part of Project Camelot by his own choosing. In fact Bill has complimented the look of the new site himself.

Bill is on the about us page, but he has no future affiliation with Project Camelot, again by his own choosing. He is now Project Avalon.

So why make drama out of nothing?

Ask Bill if you have an issue

Yes, I am very much aware of Bill leaving by his own choosing. I was on the sidelines during the Bill and Kerry war that they had with each other, so I was very much aware of all the issues that they had with each other at that time. I even still have all the emails that went flying back and forth. It was quite a circus.


But my issue is that the current, revamped Project Camelot site is using the old name: Project Camelot.


And not Project Camelot Productions, which is the name that they had agreed upon their splitting apart.


So now Project Camelot Productions has reverted back to Project Camelot with hardly a direct link to Project Avalon.


Yes, I've sent Bill a PM to see what he has to say privately about this.


But other than the issue of the name of the site and the lack of a direct link to Bill's Project Avalon site, I really like the new look of the Project Camelot site. It really looks very good!


~Mozart

[seeingterra]

Do whatever you feel you need to do.. I just hear drama. Kerry is Project Camelot, Bill is Project Avalon. About time to get over it, this drama is getting old.

Glad you like the look!

[Mozart]

Posted by seeingterra (here)

FYI: Bill's section on the portal has been gone for over a year. He had not posted any more interviews for a long time and when he was asked if he wanted to keep it we got no reply. So after a while of waiting we removed it to get room for our new material.

Yes, I noticed that Bill's part on the portal site had been gone for a long time. I wondered what was up with that.


So since you had asked him and that you got no replies (did you send a bunch of emails, or just a couple?), I can see where you are coming from. It's certainly possible that Bill wants nothing more to do with Project Camelot on any level.


If I'm making a fuss where none is needed, then a moderator is welcome to delete this entire, possibly useless thread, then.


On the other hand, there's that little, legal issue of name ownership to be dealt with and drama queens don't fuss over little things like that, ya know.


~Mozart

[Limor]

From Paulo Coelho's BOOK : "Warrior of the light - A manual"

"Warrior of light identifies the road as soon as he starts to walk
Every stone, every curve, congratulats him on his arrival,
He identifies with the mountains and rivers, he sees some of his soul in plants, animals and birds in the field
Then, at the time that he recieves the help of God and its signs, he lets his destiny to lead him through life.
There are nights that he has nowhere to sleep, and nights when he can not sleep: "It's part of the deal," think the warrior, I was the one who decided to walk this path.
In this statement exists all his power: he chose the path that he takes now, and has nothing to complain."

"The warrior of light carefully study the position he wishes to conquer.
However difficult his goal, there's always a way to overcome the obstacles. He examines alternative ways, sharpening his sword, trying to constantly fill his heart with the diligence needed to confront the challenge.
However, as he advances, the warrior realized that there are difficulties that he did not consider.
If he waits for the ideal moment he would never move, he needs a touch of madness to take the next step.
The warrior uses a touch of madness and that is because in war and love it is impossible to predict everything in advance."


"Every warrior of light has already been afraid to go into battle
Every warrior of light has already betrayed or lied in the past
Every warrior of light has already walked a way that was not his
Every warrior of light has already thought that he is not a warrior of light
Every warrior of light has failed his spiritual duties
Every warrior of light has already said "yes" when he wanted to say "no"
Every warrior of light has already hurt someone he loved
So this is why he is a warrior of the light: because he passed all those and not lost the hope to be better than he was"


"The warrior of light is not delaying his decisions.
He thinks before he acts; He considers the training he had undergone, the responsibility, and his duty as a teacher. He tries to keep his cool and analyzes each step as if it were the most important one.
When he reaches a decision, he goes on: He has no more doubts about his choice.
He does not change his way if the circumstances are different from what he thought.
If his decision was correct, he will win the battle even if it goes beyond what he had predicted.
If his decision was wrong, he shall inherit a failure and would have to start all over again, more wisely.

However the warrior of the light, if he has started, is going all the way."


"The light warrior often loses hope.
It seemes to him as if nothing can arouse the excitement that he had hoped for.
Many evenings and nights he had to stay in the position that he achieved.
with no new event that would restore his excitement.
His friends comment: "Perhaps his struggle is over now."
The warrior feels pain and confusion at these comments, because he knew that he did not arrive to where he wanted to.
But he's stubborn, and does not neglect that he decided to do.
Then when least expected it,a new door opens .

"For a warrior of light, an impossible love does not exist.
He did not flinch from the silence, indifference or rejection
He knows that behind the icy mask that people wear on their faces there is a heart of fire.
So the warrior risks more than others. He is constantly looking for the love of others, even if it means to hear many times the word "no",
go home defeated, feel the rejection in his flesh and soul.

The warrior is not frightened when he searches for what he needs. Without love he is nothing"



You might think this has nothing to do with this thread and Bil. But it does. it has everything


~^&*~^&*

Limor

[Mozart]

Seeingterra ~


But the lingering issue of the legal ownership of the names of the site remains in my mind.


Since you seem to know some of the behind-the-scenes workings of Project Camelot, can you delineate the legal ownership of the names of the sites?


Bill owns the Project Avalon name, yes?


Kerry owns the Project Camelot Productions name, yes?


Who owns the Project Camelot name -- referring to the original site, jointly created by Bill and Kerry, which exists now as the Archives?


That issue of legal ownership is the issue that's really bugging me.


And here's another thing. In every single interview that we have transcribed since the breakup of the two sites, Kerry always referred to her site as "Project Camelot", never "Project Camelot Productions" -- ever.


{Edit: I stand corrected on my use of the word "ever" in the last sentence above, as I've yet to see her use the name "Productions" in the 'scripts that I've personally worked with, but I've been told that she has used that term in other videos or audios.}


Now one could say that it's a force of habit for one to continue to use the name "Project Camelot" like Kerry has, so we always added "Productions" after "Project Camelot" in each of Kerry's introductions in her videos that we had transcribed for her. You can see "Productions" in square brackets, which meant that it was added by an editor (me).


~Mozart

[seeingterra]

Kerry owns the Project Camelot name. Bill has rights to the old Camelot interviews where he was present That is where it stands, and I know this first hand.

The productions title was created before Bill decided to fully "leave" Camelot, after he left completely there was no need for the separation as he only presented himself as "Project Avalon" and no Camelot affiliation. He has resigned all rights to the Camelot name.

That is pretty much it

[Whiskey_Mystic]

With respect, Mozart, I would think this would be a matter between Kerry and Bill and not something for us to worry or speculate about. If there is a trespass here against Bill then I trust he will address it. Privately.

I think your contacting Bill privately to ask his thoughts was the right move.

[Paul]

Posted by seeingterra (here)
Kerry is Project Camelot, Bill is Project Avalon.

That's how I look at it too, seeingterra .

I'd wager my hat that Bill looks at that way too ... but I haven't spoken with him on this, so I guess it's fortunate I don't own a hat.

[doodah]

Posted by seeingterra (here)
Kerry owns the Project Camelot name. Bill has rights to the old Camelot interviews where he was present That is where it stands, and I know this first hand.

The productions title was created before Bill decided to fully "leave" Camelot, after he left completely there was no need for the separation as he only presented himself as "Project Avalon" and no Camelot affiliation. He has resigned all rights to the Camelot name.

That is pretty much it

Thank you, seeingterra. That clear statement of the legalities straightens out any factual misunderstandings. Thank you for making that public statement. Whereas Whiskeymagic seems to think this is a private affair, it really is broader than that because of the passions we all bring to things. For you to speak some straight talk is very helpful.

There may still be a few of us "old folks" around here who followed Project Camelot from the beginning. I am one of those, and I am also a keeper of history. Because my life was so incredibly impacted by the work they did, Bill and Kerry, I will never think of Kerry Cassidy as Project Camelot. For her to take that name is somewhat like a singer taking credit for a song she didn't write - she only wrote part of it.

So what does history matter? "Move on" they say, "Get over it." And thus we as a species do not know our own history. Isn't that half of what this site is about? Future memory of that name is now shifted to Kerry. That's not fair and it's not accurate.

So, to close, this issue is now moot except in the hearts of those who would have liked to see Project Camelot honored as itself.

[panopticon]

I think the new CMS gives a less cluttered feel to the site.
Joomla! is excellent and I have used it in the past for clients with no complaints.
The modular nature of it's front and back end (user and admin interface) make it a powerful tool for dynamic sites (its SEO components were exceptional) and I reckon it is an excellent choice.

As for the ads. I reckon that's Kerry's choice as it's her site.

Thanks to seeingterra and Paul for clarifying the various sites ownership.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[spiritguide]

My opinion, EGO has captured Camelot and the obsession with travel and funds has stifled it. Bill made a wise choice.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Mozart (here)
Avalonians ~


Have you seen the new, totally-overhauled Project Camelot site?


It's a nice look. Very clean. But it's loaded with advertisements -- I can understand that, as it's expensive to run a site, let alone to make a living with any conspiracy site.


But no reference to Bill's Project Avalon? No reference to Bill Ryan, who was VERY MUCH part of the building the foundation of Project Camelot?


WTF?


Bill -- did you agree to be basically zeroed out like this from the current, revamped Project Camelot site?


~Mozart

She did this to test your faith.
If you really believe in her you should dig deep, very deep into your pockets and send her money.

One thing about being old is you remember things and you learn.

I see Kerry as just another Tammy Faye

Who likes to put on a dog and pony show if she thinks she can make a buck.

Oh she has some good intention initially, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Oh some will see it, some will not.
The mouse and the eagle both have eyes, but see things from a different perspective.

[wavydome]

In any case, all moves towards decentralization seems wise to me. May the telepathic internet grow, having , (in my POV) been well encouraged by Camelot and Avalon.

[Wind]

Does the forum work? I can't access it.

[seeingterra]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
Does the forum work? I can't access it.

http://camelotforum.org - Up and running I will move the forum into the new site in a few days, lot's of data to transfer, and it has to be done manually.

As for some of the less flattering comments; Suck it up and think before you speak. You do not give this forum grace by your obvious uneducated statement. This place deserves much better.

Cheers all