Project Camelot Website's New Look ... WTF?

[Paula]

I donated to Project Camelot and Project Avalon as my way of thanking Bill and Kerry for all I've learned in the last year and half. That is when I saw that there was a forum. It's a brand new experience for me. I was dumbfounded when I saw personal attacks about Kerry some time ago. I was more disappointed in myself for not speaking up for the cattiness. Talk like that brings down the integrity and energetic levels of Project Avalon. How can we expect to be the beacons for those that are awakening, when we get sucked into these lower levels that only serve to drain our Light? Can't we just live and let live? Debates, differing views, that's all good. Attacks, I don't understand how that serves our Light, our destiny for Mother Earth and her People.

[Mozart]

Posted by seeingterra (here)

He [Bill] has resigned all rights to the Camelot name.

seeingterra ~


Thank you very much for your input and clarifications.


Since Bill has resigned all rights to the Camelot name, this ownership issue that I had raised is clearly now moot point.


Only the memory of the original Project Camelot remains, as so ably pointed out by Doodah -- thanks for your input there, Doodah. That's an interesting angle of history that you pointed out, Doodah. Food for contemplation.


I don't want anyone to think that I was attacking Kerry and I'll be glad to have our Divine Cosmos Keyboard Commandos transcript team to do the occasional transcript for her on a case-by-case basis.


So, as I've said before, I really do like the new look of the Camelot site. It really does look sharp. Tommy (the webmaster) and seeingterra did really great jobs with the new site. I wish you both success with the revamped site.


I understand that it's all a work in progress, so I'm hoping that the transcript of the Dean / Stone interview ("Twilight of the Old Boys' Network") would appear there, somewhere, as I've not been able to find it.


Also the Bill Wood transcripts, too. Two of them.


I wish both Bill and Kerry successes in their respective endeavors and I appreciate their contributions to our world by their bringing forth heretofore once-hidden information that really needed to see the light of the day.


~Mozart

[Wind]

Posted by seeingterra (here)

http://camelotforum.org - Up and running

Oh, silly me!

About Bill and Kerry.... I have tremendous amount of respect for both of them. Project Camelot conducted many awesome interviews. They played their part together and gave us something amazing! Now there is two different Projects and sites, but it doesn't have to mean that people should be divided amongst them. We should be united instead, we are stronger together. Let's not forget that!

[Alie]

Posted by spiritguide (here)
My opinion, EGO has captured Camelot and the obsession with travel and funds has stifled it. Bill made a wise choice.

SpiritGuide

We have so much to consider.

There are so many facets to a diamond. The diamond being --- the future of mankind. There are MANY different approaches to helping mankind into their future. Some of us truly appreciate Kerry & Bill ---- certainly from the past, but also now, and in the future. (even if we're not in agreement with their POV sometimes.)

From an internet marketing perspective (which I'm quite familiar), I can assure you her site has been professionally designed with minimum adverts, and I think her objective is to serve her followers and future visitors. I assume her mission is close to, or the same as before --- helping folks become awake and aware.

[GoodeTXSG]

Hello All, I actually like the new site. It makes things a lot easier to find, much more organized.

[GoodeTXSG]

Posted by Alie (here)

Posted by spiritguide (here)
My opinion, EGO has captured Camelot and the obsession with travel and funds has stifled it. Bill made a wise choice.

SpiritGuide

We have so much to consider.

There are so many facets to a diamond. The diamond being --- the future of mankind. There are MANY different approaches to helping mankind into their future. Some of us truly appreciate Kerry & Bill ---- certainly from the past, but also now, and in the future.

From an internet marketing perspective (which I'm quite familiar), I can assure you her site has been professionally designed with minimum adverts, and I think her objective is to serve her followers and future visitors. I assume her mission is close to, or the same as before --- helping folks become awake and aware.

Actually I have to agree... Kerry has always been a "Look at ME/ME, ME, I, I" kind of person, just look at the GlamShots photo's she uses on her sites etc... She has always been one that has to be in the spot light. BUT she does get the job done and is cunning is the way she circles around in her questions to weed out any BS or inconsistencies.

IMHO... She may be a Glam and Cam hog, but you cannot argue with the results. All in All I think she is great. There is an Ego/Enlightenment contradiction that pops out sometimes but like I said, she gets the job done.

[Limor]

Originally posted by Mozart: " It really does look sharp. Tommy (the webmaster) and seeingterra did really great jobs with the new site. I wish you both success with the revamped site."

Sounds like a case of a split personalities here ;)
Seeingterra IS Tommy

[Paula]

Posted by Mozart (here)
I don't want anyone to think that I was attacking Kerry

FYI: I for one did not think you were attacking Kerry's personhood. There were other overt attacks & judgements that felt like nails on a chalk board. (and on past threads) I have a lot of respect for your thoughts and others like you here at Project Avalon. I have learned a tremendous amount about human dynamics, communication styles, and the courage to express one's views. It's been a teaching laboratory of sorts for me.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[David Trd1]

I see Kerry as just another Tammy Faye

Who likes to put on a dog and pony show if she thinks she can make a buck.

Camelot has been a personal journey for kerry as much as a collective experience for the rest of us. Our experience becomes part of our ego's identity which admittedly has been permeating a little more recently with kerry.

But nonetheless to suggest she's in it for the money is quite comical to the point of obscenity [which im sure is nobody's intention here].

Peace

[Mozart]

Posted by Limor (here)

Originally posted by Mozart: " It really does look sharp. Tommy (the webmaster) and seeingterra did really great jobs with the new site. I wish you both success with the revamped site."

Sounds like a case of a split personalities here
Seeingterra IS Tommy

LOL! The joke is on me, then.


WhiteCrowBlackDeer ~ Thank you for your your beautiful sentiments in your post # ... um ... ah, #28.


And about Kerry. Let me say this:


We ALL have our flaws. ALL of us.


Kerry has hers; David Wilcock has his; Bill Ryan has his, etc. But all of those aforementioned people -- including Kerry -- have done HUGE amounts of work to bring forth much-needed information for our truth-starved world, so I'll gladly take my hat off to Kerry (and, perhaps, toss it to Bill for him to take a nibble on it? ) and thank her from the bottom of my bottomless heart for her efforts to bring out this information that we needed so badly in our world.


Kudos to David and Bill, too.


~Mozart

[Wantsthetruth74]

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)
Hi,

Bill Ryan is no longer part of Project Camelot by his own choosing. In fact Bill has complimented the look of the new site himself.

Bill is on the about us page, but he has no future affiliation with Project Camelot, again by his own choosing. He is now Project Avalon.

So why make drama out of nothing?

Ask Bill if you have an issue

Yes, I am very much aware of Bill leaving by his own choosing. I was on the sidelines during the Bill and Kerry war that they had with each other, so I was very much aware of all the issues that they had with each other at that time. I even still have all the emails that went flying back and forth. It was quite a circus.


But my issue is that the current, revamped Project Camelot site is using the old name: Project Camelot.


And not Project Camelot Productions, which is the name that they had agreed upon their splitting apart.


So now Project Camelot Productions has reverted back to Project Camelot with hardly a direct link to Project Avalon.


Yes, I've sent Bill a PM to see what he has to say privately about this.


But other than the issue of the name of the site and the lack of a direct link to Bill's Project Avalon site, I really like the new look of the Project Camelot site. It really looks very good!


~Mozart

You seem to be wanting to stir a pot that was done cooking a longggggggg time ago. Its Kerrys business to to with however she likes. Bill is enjoying paradise in Ecuador. Lets let sleeping dogs lay already.

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[Wantsthetruth74]

Posted by seeingterra (here)
FYI: Bill's section on the portal has been gone for over a year. He had not posted any more interviews for a long time and when he was asked if he wanted to keep it we got no reply. So after a while of waiting we removed it to get room for our new material. And there are less ad's now than on the previous one, more fuss buddy.. chill.. Go and look, it is still there.

And yes, it costs a good amount of money to have the site running with all the materials (including the past ones with Bill) and we pay for all of it

The new site looks Great Tommy. You did a great job. Its much easier to get around now.

[LisAlien]

OP,

I understand your position and perhaps loyalty to Bill Ryan but don't you think you're only adding to the constant bickering plaguing this planet? If Bill isn't complaining (which I assume he's not) then, what's it any concern of anyone's?

There is so much pitting one side against the other in this world right now that this is hardly worth wasting energy over.

This was like a marriage that eventually ended up in a divorce. So now Kerry has decided to go back and use her maiden name again.
Big deal!
We all got to choose which 'parent' we wanted to live with so let's move on and just dunk our cookies in our milk (that was decided in the child care provision portion!)

[DevilPigeon]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)
Kerry is Project Camelot, Bill is Project Avalon.

That's how I look at it too, seeingterra .

I'd wager my hat that Bill looks at that way too ... but I haven't spoken with him on this, so I guess it's fortunate I don't own a hat.

You don't own a hat.....???? Wow, in this day and age....

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by LisAlien (here)
OP,

I understand your position and perhaps loyalty to Bill Ryan but don't you think you're only adding to the constant bickering plaguing this planet? If Bill isn't complaining (which I assume he's not) then, what's it any concern of anyone's?

No, I'm not complaining.

But technically, Mozart has a point about Project Camelot Productions slipping into being known as Project Camelot again. You could call it "brand slip"!
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And the original site (pre-2010) was far more user-friendly. My issue with Tommy/seeingterra and Kerry, which I voiced frequently (until I gave up!), was always that important pages on the old site were very hard to find once the Portal site had been set up.

I spent dozens and dozens of hours crafting very detailed reports and summaries there which are still 100% as valid now as they were in 2006-2009. And they are very hard to unearth unless one searches on Google, or already has the URL. There are also 8 pages of archived blogs over a two and a half year period which in my opinion were a work of art -- and a very important still-relevant reference to the alternative community.

To illustrate this point, try looking on the Camelot site for these important reference articles:

• Nancy Williams and the Brookhaven incident
• Base New Berlin
• Norwegian preparations for 2012
• The Dan Burisch summary
• Project Looking Glass
• 2009: a Tale of Two Timelines
• The archived 2007-2009 blog pages
  (sample ---> http://projectcamelot.org/index_archive_7.html -- do look!)

... to mention only just a few.

To Kerry's credit, she grew to realize -- after a lot of feedback from many people! -- that the 2010 Portal site didn't work very well. And I know how hard it is to set up a complex website (for the technical, I created the old site myself on Dreamweaver without any knowledge of CSS). So I very much appreciate the effort to fix all the bugs and try to make it work better.

[spiritguide]

Right or wrong, good or bad I espoused MY opinion. It is my perspective and if there is offense, sorry. All others have a right to their's without judgment also. I try not to judge, just feel, and state my opinion of the experience.

[Alie]

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Right or wrong, good or bad I espoused MY opinion. It is my perspective and if there is offense, sorry. All others have a right to their's without judgment also. I try not to judge, just feel, and state my opinion of the experience.

Iron Sharpens Iron

[doodah]

Posted by LisAlien (here)

[...] There is so much pitting one side against the other in this world right now that this is hardly worth wasting energy over.

LisAlien, this isn't about "pitting one against the other." Nobody is doing that here. They both have done good work, don't you think?

[...] This was like a marriage that eventually ended up in a divorce. So now Kerry has decided to go back and use her maiden name again. Big deal!

But she's not using her maiden name that was HERS. She's using the MADE-UP name that both she and Bill created and then presented to the public. She has "bought" the name [or maybe even originally "owned" it] but what it represents is not HERS. She and someone else created all that. [I don't want to get technical about "who" actually thought up the words Project Camelot; this has more to do with the reputation of that joint site that she now refers to as her own.]

This is about branding, as Bill made reference to. In the marketplace you establish a "brand name." The brand name here is Project Camelot, created by the two of them. That brand name was attached to all the work they did together. Kerry now wants that name to mean HER work exclusively. You could say she's taking the hard-won reputation of the original Project Camelot (which Bill helped create) and taking it for her own.

I'm sure a lot of you find this to be a picky point that doesn't need more discussion. But, again, history is being lost because of "brand slip" as Bill called it.

In my view, for Kerry to use that name is both unfair (to Bill, but he doesn't care about that, which is okay, his choice!) and inaccurate (because of how the name/reputation originated). There's something a little skewed about this. Like I said, it's like when a singer becomes identified with a song they didn't write, but because they sing it so often people come to think of it as "her" or "his" song - but it isn't, they didn't originate it. Or a person co-authoring a book and then acting like they wrote the whole thing, even though the other co-author doesn't complain about that.

There's something a little dishonest in the whole thing. Kerry did not originate Project Camelot - she and Bill originated it - so it would seem that Bill should have just as much right to claim the name as Kerry does -- putting aside for this discussion the fact that he does not want to do that! The name thing has been settled in law, which doesn't mean it has anything to do with justice or fairness. I can imagine there would have been a fight to the death if Bill had insisted, which he didn't.

It is because millions of these small slippages happen, uncontested, that nobody knows our history in a general and larger sense. A hundred years later, an expose comes out by somebody who does some research and finds out: Ah ha, it wasn't Einstein who formulated the Theory of Relativity, it was actually his !wife! - who never got credit where credit was due. Take this back far enough and it wasn't "God" who created man in the Garden of Eden, it was the Anunnaki! There's some major brand slippage for you, that slipped all the way into myths and untruths that affect the whole planet today.

But here it's more a "give credit where credit is due" issue. By taking the name, Kerry also takes the credit, because of all that is associated in peoples' minds with that brand. Her action is basically an untruth even though she can legitimately say she "helped" create all that Project Camelot stands for. I would 100% agree with that - she helped, but it is not "hers."

Even if she called it Project Camelot II, that would be better, as it would create a distinction between HER and the original site.

[Mozart]

Posted by doodah (here)

It is because millions of these small slippages happen, uncontested, that nobody knows our history in a general and larger sense. A hundred years later, an expose comes out by somebody who does some research and finds out: Ah ha, it wasn't Einstein who formulated the Theory of Relativity, it was actually his !wife! - who never got credit where credit was due. Take this back far enough and it wasn't "God" who created man in the Garden of Eden, it was the Anunnaki! There's some major brand slippage for you, that slipped all the way into myths and untruths that affect the whole planet today.

Doodah ~


Wow, that's an outstanding post! A seamless weaving from a microcosm into a macrocosm. And so true.


~Mozart

[Bill Ryan]

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Posted by limor (here)
from paulo coelho's book : "warrior of the light - a manual"

"warrior of light identifies the road as soon as he starts to walk
every stone, every curve, congratulats him on his arrival,
he identifies with the mountains and rivers, he sees some of his soul in plants, animals and birds in the field
then, at the time that he recieves the help of god and its signs, he lets his destiny to lead him through life.
There are nights that he has nowhere to sleep, and nights when he can not sleep: "it's part of the deal," think the warrior, i was the one who decided to walk this path.
In this statement exists all his power: He chose the path that he takes now, and has nothing to complain."

"the warrior of light carefully study the position he wishes to conquer.
However difficult his goal, there's always a way to overcome the obstacles. He examines alternative ways, sharpening his sword, trying to constantly fill his heart with the diligence needed to confront the challenge.
However, as he advances, the warrior realized that there are difficulties that he did not consider.
If he waits for the ideal moment he would never move, he needs a touch of madness to take the next step.
The warrior uses a touch of madness and that is because in war and love it is impossible to predict everything in advance."


"every warrior of light has already been afraid to go into battle
every warrior of light has already betrayed or lied in the past
every warrior of light has already walked a way that was not his
every warrior of light has already thought that he is not a warrior of light
every warrior of light has failed his spiritual duties
every warrior of light has already said "yes" when he wanted to say "no"
every warrior of light has already hurt someone he loved
so this is why he is a warrior of the light: Because he passed all those and not lost the hope to be better than he was"


"the warrior of light is not delaying his decisions.
He thinks before he acts; he considers the training he had undergone, the responsibility, and his duty as a teacher. He tries to keep his cool and analyzes each step as if it were the most important one.
When he reaches a decision, he goes on: He has no more doubts about his choice.
He does not change his way if the circumstances are different from what he thought.
If his decision was correct, he will win the battle even if it goes beyond what he had predicted.
If his decision was wrong, he shall inherit a failure and would have to start all over again, more wisely.

However the warrior of the light, if he has started, is going all the way."


"the light warrior often loses hope.
It seemes to him as if nothing can arouse the excitement that he had hoped for.
Many evenings and nights he had to stay in the position that he achieved.
With no new event that would restore his excitement.
His friends comment: "perhaps his struggle is over now."
the warrior feels pain and confusion at these comments, because he knew that he did not arrive to where he wanted to.
But he's stubborn, and does not neglect that he decided to do.
Then when least expected it,a new door opens .

"for a warrior of light, an impossible love does not exist.
He did not flinch from the silence, indifference or rejection
he knows that behind the icy mask that people wear on their faces there is a heart of fire.
So the warrior risks more than others. He is constantly looking for the love of others, even if it means to hear many times the word "no",
go home defeated, feel the rejection in his flesh and soul.

The warrior is not frightened when he searches for what he needs. Without love he is nothing"



you might think this has nothing to do with this thread and bill. But it does. It has everything.


~^&*~^&*

limor

Wow.