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  • 1a- I think we (rp) have the right to contact our representatives

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  • 1b- I think we (rp) don’t have the right to contact our representatives

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  • 2a- It’s appropriate for us to politely inform our representatives about enemies of the Constitution

    4 100.00%
  • 2b- It isn’t appropriate for us to politely inform our representatives of enemies of Constitution

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  • 3a- Politely contacting our representatives for grave issues is legal,legitimate,ethical,appropriate

    4 100.00%
  • 3b- Politely contacting ourrepresentatives for graveissues is illegal,illegitimate,unethical,inappro

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  • 4a- Politely contacting our representatives to inform them about grave issues is not SPAM

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  • 4b- Politely contacting our representatives to inform them about grave issues is SPAM

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  • 5a- Access to our representatives should be facilitated to us (regular people)

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  • 5b- Access to our representatives should not be facilitated to us (regular people)

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Thread: Do you think we regularpeople have the right tocontact our highlevel representatives?

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    Default Do you think we regularpeople have the right tocontact our highlevel representatives?

    Hi everyone, the purpose of this thread is to provide you (the members of this Avalon forum) with a place where you can freely express your own personal opinions about the proposal explained in this other thread:
    Let’s help Drake & Co! “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country” JFK
    (Posts recommended: Post #1, #2, #3, and #11)

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-country---JFK
    IMPORTANTE NOTE: This thread is NOT to develop or carry out that proposal, but ONLY to analyze and to reflect about whether that proposal is appropriate or not, legitimate or not, etc.

    Keeping that in mind, these are some questions for all of you (Avalonians):
    1) Do you think the proposal of that other thread is legal or illegal, legitimate or illegitimate, lawful or unlawful, ethical or unethical, moral or unmoral, appropriate or inappropriate, necessary or unnecessary, convenient or inconvenient, useful or useless, etc.?

    2) Do you agree or disagree with the JFK speech about freedom of information (see excerpts below)?

    3) What is exactly the definition and the meaning of ‘spam’? When can a particular piece of information (whatever) be considered ‘spam’, or when cannot?

    4) Could there be a risk that the meaning of the word ‘spam’ be spun (twisted) in order to use it as an excuse to censor information or to block legitimate initiatives?

    5) Do you think that the act of politely sending our military vital information about a very serious and dangerous conspiracy (by the corrupt elite) against society in general (all of us) and against the military itself, could be considered ‘spam’?

    6) Should “We the People” (all of us) have the right to freely contact our different representatives in society (politicians, military, law enforcement, etc.) in order to alert them and inform them about really important and grave issues that could negatively affect us all?
    Paul and GoodeTXSG also made this argument:

    Quote https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post484643

    ALL this [Note: the info in the thread Let’s help Drake & Co!] will do is cause Avalon and sites like it to be blocked totally and Military people will not have access to this info especially while deployed. It will cause more problems than it would solve... NOT a good idea MODS... Take my word for it please.
    However, this forum (Project Avalon and its predecessor Project Camelot) is FULL of information exposing the illuminati conspiracy, and full of countless data and whistleblowers testimonies about the corrupt elite, and how they have infiltrated governments, military, banking system, media, etc.

    In fact, that’s what Project Camelot and Project Avalon were founded for: to expose the corruption of the system, to expose the suppressed information, to let people have access to it, to let people talk about it, to search for truth, etc.

    And the corrupt elite and the corrupt part of the military probably don’t like military personnel having access to that type of information either. For sure they don’t like it!

    Therefore, couldn’t the same type of logic be used to close and/or delete all threads in this forum which are contrary to the interests of the corrupt elite and the corrupt part of the military? And that argument could be stated as follows:

    Quote ALL this [Note: most of the info in this forum about the corrupt elite and the corrupt part of the military] will do is cause Avalon and sites like it to be blocked totally and Military people will not have access to this info especially while deployed. It will cause more problems than it would solve... NOT a good idea MODS... Take my word for it please.
    What do you (Avalonians) think about those questions?

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    Default Re: Do you think we regularpeople have the right tocontact our highlevel representati

    Now, please, let me start this dialogue or debate with the following ideas:

    During hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years, this world has been ruled by a highly corrupt elite who have been constantly provoking unnecessary wars, false flag attacks, stealing, killing, deceiving, cheating, polluting, etc. And the elite has been able to do all of that with total impunity, partly due to the fact that most human beings were not aware of what was going on behind the scenes of power.

    Many regular people simply didn’t know how the real structure of power in the world worked, which is what we now call the illuminati pyramid of control: we the people (the slaves) are at the bottom and the illuminati controlling structure are at the very top (banks, corporations, secret societies, Bilderberg, Committee of 300, powerful illuminati families, etc.).

    Further more, the corrupt elite has recently provoked some serious crimes such as 911 (inside job, controlled demolition) which was their excuse to start several unnecessary wars (Ex: Irak, Afganistán, etc.) which have provoked, according to some estimates (Ex: one survey in The Lancet), more than ONE MILLION DEATHS and countless destruction and devastation in those countries! Not to mention provoking the current economic crisis, their plans to provoke World War III, etc., etc.

    As it is explained in Post #11 of the previous link (Let’s help Drake & Co!...), one of the reasons why the illuminati conspiracy has been able to get so far and commit so many crimes against humanity with total impunity has been because of the following reason:

    Quote Post #11. Thread: Let’s help Drake & Co!... etc.
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post484054

    Excerpt: … the illuminati have been very clever in taking control of most of the MSM (Mainstream Media) and most sources of “quality and reliable” information in order to keep us misinformed, fooled, and under MIND control, because they control the information the masses receive on a daily bases.

    And the previous situation applies both to regular people as well as high level people [Ex: military personnel, etc.]: all of us have been victims of this BIG collective illuminati deception.

    Therefore, if we help to dissolve the deception, that will surely help the common good.
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    Dr. Greer’s petition to the public: “Please contact your representatives to tell them and alert them about the suppression of free energy.”

    The following question is very important:
    Is it legitimate or appropriate to ask regular people to contact our representatives to ask them questions about really important matters, or to inform them and alert them about them, as Dr. Greer and other do many times?
    For instance, in the 2009 Exopolitics Summit in Sitges (Barcelona, Spain), Dr. Steven Greer gave a talk about the suppression of free energy (see video on YouTube), and during the talk he asked all participants in the conference (hundreds of them, plus the ones viewing the video later on YouTube) to do him a favour, which was:

    Quote Dr. Steven Greer said (approximate words):

    As soon as you (the people at the conference) get back home, please, get on the Internet and send e-mails or call your representatives (politicians, etc.) to tell them about the suppression of free energy, and to ask them to disclose it, etc.

    Please, do it tonight, as soon as possible, because the more people who do it, the sooner we will have free energy on the market, etc.
    And that’s just one example, but there are many other ones. For instance, I’ve seen constant similar calls from different people and institutions (Ex: Ron Paul campaign, Avaaz, NGOs, etc.) asking people to contact our representatives to demand from them a solution for this, that, or the other noble cause.

    Therefore, important question:
    Could Dr. Greer’s petition to ALL the people of this world (to contact their representatives to inform them about a good and noble cause and ask them what they plan to do about it) be considered SPAM?

    Could Dr. Greer be accused of promoting the sending of SPAM to our representatives in society (high level people such as politicians, military, etc.)?
    I’ll tell you my personal opinion about it: of course not!
    Dr. Greer’s petition for us (regular people) to contact our representatives was completely legal, legitimate, lawful, ethical, moral, appropriate, convenient, and necessary.
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    The illuminati pyramid of control is designed to maintain a huge gap between the people (us) and our government officials in order to enslave us more easily

    The system of control of the illuminati pyramid is designed in such a way as to artificially provoke a huge gap between the regular people and the government (o the rulers of the population, the ruling elite, etc.). Instead of making it EASY for us (regular people) to talk to our representatives, to communicate with them, and to express them our feelings, thoughts, ideas, concerns, etc., they make it VERY DIFFICULT.

    On the contrary, there are all sort of barriers, seen or unseen, in order to keep the people (us) as far away as possible from the places of power where decisions are made about us (the people). And that’s because of a reason: because that’s how the illuminati system of control works best in order to keep us enslaved, and they do it by keeping us (the people) very far away from positions of power and positions of decision making.

    In other words, in the illuminati pyramid and its system of control, our opinions (from us, the people), count as little as possible because otherwise they could not keep controlling us and enslaving us so easily.

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    What is the job of the military, to defend the elite or to defend the regular people?

    That’s a simple and obvious question to answer:

    Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_forces
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of...ited_States%29

    The armed forces of a country are its government-sponsored defense, fighting forces, and organizations. They exist to further the foreign and domestic policies of their governing body, and to defend that body and the nation it represents from external and internal aggressors.

    … I hereby declare, on oath …snip… that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
    So, this is another important question:
    In case there is an illegitimate conspiracy (the illuminati elite) against the people of a nation (both regular people as well as high level honest people), do the people of that nation have the right, or even the moral obligation, to contact their high level representatives (politicians, military, law enforcement, etc.) to inform them, to alert them, and to ask them to honour their oath and to do their job of defending the people against that conspiracy (the internal aggressors)?
    I don’t know what the rest of you may think, but I think the answer is quite obvious:
    Of course we (the people) do have the right, and even the moral obligation, to contact our high level representatives (politicians, military, etc.) for the reasons explained above.
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    JFK speech about freedom of the press, freedom of expression, excessive government concealment, excuses for censorship, etc.

    In his famous 1961 speech, JFK said the following things:

    Quote The complete and impressive JFK speech can be read at Post #127, pag. 7:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post219355

    Brief excerpts:

    The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. (…)

    And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment... snip…

    Without debate, without criticism, no Administration (…) can succeed; (…) I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers -- I welcome it; (…) We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors and we expect you to point them out when we miss them… etc.
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    The corrupt elite has not only done endless crimes, but they want to continue doing them by provoking WWIII, provoking artificial earthquakes, etc.

    So, if all these crimes against humanity are not good enough and legitimate reasons for us (regular people) to contact our high level representatives (from government, military, etc.) to politely inform them and ask them to do their job of defending the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, then:
    What will be good enough and legitimate reasons for us to contact our representatives?
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    (Note: I’ll be updating this post if I think of another relevant piece of information that could enhance or clarify the ideas expressed in it.)

    So, what do you think about the thread that proposes that regular people contact our high level representatives to politely inform them about all these matters?
    Last edited by qbeac; 9th May 2012 at 09:23.

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