The Real Story Behind Aliens_ Ufos_ Demons_ Illuminati & Satanism

[East Sun]

Maybe, just maybe a lot of the sightings of UFOs are holograms that are used to fool the population -- or maybe not. Just another possibility.

Also, why do the people who put these videos together always put in weird background "music?" It's as if they are trying to convince listeners of these theories being true. It may be true but we don't need conditioning type music at all.

[joedjemal]

I've had several encounters with these things over the years but they don't bother me any more. About 20 years ago I had a full on encounter that lasted several days. It's peak was when, in the middle of the night, I woke up and this shadowy entity was standing by my bed. I refused to fear it. I couldn't move at first. It kept changing shape as if it was trying to assume a form so I could fit a belief system on it. For a while it looked like a Roman statue then this window opened up in front of it and i could see a classic grey but I knew it wasn't an alien as such, this definitely wasn't a physical entity and i'd expect to be able to touch a flesh and blood alien. This thing was semi transparent.

While it was standing there my paralysis eased and i sat up in bed and lit a cigarette and kept my eyes on it. I still couldn't speak though, my friend was in the hotel room with me in the other bed but I couldn't wake him. (He did see it on one of its subsequent visits over the next few days) while it was there i saw humanoid shadows crawling around on the ceiling. After a while it faded away.

It came back on several occasions during the day as well. It besieged me. It followed me around slamming doors, knocking peoples drinks over, communicating telepathically offering me power but I knew it was something dark and that there'd be a heavy price to pay and I wasn't interested. I assumed it was some sort of jinn, being in Tunisia. It arrived first a few hours after I'd been practicing weather working. Other encounters with similar things masquerading as aliens occured after I had other spiritual breakthroughs. They seemed intent on diverting me from my path.

Once I got further, learned how to meditate properly and to go with the synchronicity flow they stopped bothering me.

I definitely saw them as some sort of spiritual entity though, the miles wide semi transparent ship above us on another occasion in broad daylight was pretty impressive. That was another attempt at deception after a different spiritual breakthrough. I did think that was aliens for a while, now I'm sure it wasn't.

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

With the Tunisian one I got the distinct impression that it had a whole bunch of souls glued to it somehow and that it wanted me to become one. It wasn't happy with my strongly negative reaction and got quite angry.

[Hervé]

Barbara Bartholic on Jacques Vallee (from this post):


1984 was my last meeting with the world-class, brilliant scientist, Dr. Jacques Vallee. Through his inspiration, my research into alien human abuse and control has proved the hypothesis he proclaimed in his important book, ‘Invisible College’: “UFOs may constitute a control system.” Why do I continue to research, under terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe? It’s clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what I call a “master control system” that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights; or identifying an alien-organized operation possessing such technical supremacy that they can hide in plain sight. It's a force that can delude people into refusing to believe in their existence. At the same time, alien manipulative “overlord ship” is altering the course of human life.

We are confronted and confounded by an intelligence that has the ability to:

vacuum a car and its occupants right off the roadway and go unnoticed by all;
enter human minds or habitats day or night;
interfere with babies still in the womb;
abduct young children right from their beds or playgrounds undetected;
change the dynamics of relationships and love affairs;
cause disease;
create mental problems and drug addiction;
create wars and mutate generations as in their “Breed out the love” program.

These are just a few examples of the aliens’ abilities to modify human behavior and conditions. People came for my help as if guided by some “invisible hand” during the sightings and abductions in the early 80’s and 90’s. No, flying saucers are NOT flying back and forth, landing and taking off at breakneck speed. Air traffic control would be abominable. The 'crashed saucers with dead aliens in New Mexico' story is old news, and obscures the real threat to our world.

Compare it to the discovery of germs. Before the microscope, there were these “invisible things” causing sickness and death. Of course, there were good germs as well, but never forget that toxins could eventually destroy the world. So it is with the alien dominance.

***************************************

Where things get complicated is when the parisites and the ETs mimic/holograph each other to misdirect investigations...

[9eagle9]

Similar to my visitor. Not semi transparent per say but milky whitish grey but clearly humanoid looking. Short , chubby,, bald, but solid. Blank moon face though devoid of emotion. I knew it was solid because when I launched at it, it stepped back and knocked books off the computer desk. Had a brief paralysis but can only say that my anger at being intruded on in such a fashion sort of overwhelmed it.

What I keep forgetting about and being reminded again of is as I was waking up, just prior to confronting the thing, I had a realization that I was aware of this being mostly just before I fell asleep and right before I woke up and it had been watching me for a long time.

I've had very clear knowledge that people and relationships are maneuvered in some fashion to lead people astray or harm them so I find the post concerning that rather interesting. i know of one such person, a person of imaginable power , that is plagued by this interference. If that person were to wake up and embrace that power nothing could affect him. Instead that person has the insinuation that power is evil, and bad, and lives a sort of stunted shadow existence because of the nature of the crisis, and people maneuvered into their way.

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

Posted by joedjemal (here)
I've had several encounters with these things over the years but they don't bother me any more. About 20 years ago I had a full on encounter that lasted several days. It's peak was when, in the middle of the night, I woke up and this shadowy entity was standing by my bed. I refused to fear it. I couldn't move at first. It kept changing shape as if it was trying to assume a form so I could fit a belief system on it. For a while it looked like a Roman statue then this window opened up in front of it and i could see a classic grey but I knew it wasn't an alien as such, this definitely wasn't a physical entity and i'd expect to be able to touch a flesh and blood alien. This thing was semi transparent.

While it was standing there my paralysis eased and i sat up in bed and lit a cigarette and kept my eyes on it. I still couldn't speak though, my friend was in the hotel room with me in the other bed but I couldn't wake him. (He did see it on one of its subsequent visits over the next few days) while it was there i saw humanoid shadows crawling around on the ceiling. After a while it faded away.

It came back on several occasions during the day as well. It besieged me. It followed me around slamming doors, knocking peoples drinks over, communicating telepathically offering me power but I knew it was something dark and that there'd be a heavy price to pay and I wasn't interested. I assumed it was some sort of jinn, being in Tunisia. It arrived first a few hours after I'd been practicing weather working. Other encounters with similar things masquerading as aliens occured after I had other spiritual breakthroughs. They seemed intent on diverting me from my path.

Once I got further, learned how to meditate properly and to go with the synchronicity flow they stopped bothering me.

I definitely saw them as some sort of spiritual entity though, the miles wide semi transparent ship above us on another occasion in broad daylight was pretty impressive. That was another attempt at deception after a different spiritual breakthrough. I did think that was aliens for a while, now I'm sure it wasn't.

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

With the Tunisian one I got the distinct impression that it had a whole bunch of souls glued to it somehow and that it wanted me to become one. It wasn't happy with my strongly negative reaction and got quite angry.

[wynderer]

from Joedjemal's post:

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

from Amzer Zo's post:

1984 was my last meeting with the world-class, brilliant scientist, Dr. Jacques Vallee. Through his inspiration, my research into alien human abuse and control has proved the hypothesis he proclaimed in his important book, ‘Invisible College’: “UFOs may constitute a control system.” Why do I continue to research, under terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe? It’s clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what I call a “master control system” that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights; or identifying an alien-organized operation possessing such technical supremacy that they can hide in plain sight. It's a force that can delude people into refusing to believe in their existence. At the same time, alien manipulative “overlord ship” is altering the course of human life.

i have wondered if they went after Wilhelm Reich because he'd invented a weapon that could vaporize UFOs

Amzer Zo , could you elaborate some on this from your post?

Where things get complicated is when the parisites and the ETs mimic/holograph each other to misdirect investigations...

[Hervé]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
[...]

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

They do!

Please take the time to check these two short books ("Save as" and unzip):

http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip The Programming of a Planet
http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip Eye of Ra

[Hervé]

Posted by wynderer (here)
[...]

i have wondered if they went after Wilhelm Reich because he'd invented a weapon that could vaporize UFOs

Amzer Zo , could you elaborate some on this from your post?

Where things get complicated is when the parisites and the ETs mimic/holograph each other to misdirect investigations...

W. Reich was after the b*st*rds and was using orgone energy to do it, that's life energy. How could one use "life energy" to anhilate a physical, 3D, metallic construct of some sort? Not possible. However, when aimed at a parasitic energy, it never failed. Which brings me to your request...

Most of these so called UFOs are thought forms or holograpghic constructs. One of the first reseachers to be faced with the conclusion that UFO phenomena had more to do with psychic phenomena than anything else was Jacques Vallee after recognizing that very little physical realities were ever uncovered compared to the amount of UFO observations.

Other researchers came to that same conclusion that the boundaries between psychic phenomena and UFO accounts were very, very fuzzy.

As such, then, we are dealing with the mind and its control and perceptions. The parasites (and many ghosts as well) are adept at mimicking anything that would manipulate their targets as a thought projection into their mind... so projecting a "grey" into someone's mind would be kids play...

Furthermore, if parasites can do that, so do human beings (stage hypnotists, magicians)... never mind ETs.

Welcome to the ball of yarn that got run into by a few playful alley cats!

[wynderer]

thanks , Amzer Zo -- i would be very interested to hear your understanding of the parasites

[Hervé]

Posted by wynderer (here)
thanks , Amzer Zo -- i would be very interested to hear your understanding of the parasites

To me it seems these type of energies roam many realms but particularly what is called the "Lower Astral."

Otherwise, Viveck's post here pretty much describes the parasite/host dynamic which is different than a symbiotic dynamic. The parisite doesn't give a sh*t about the host, a symbiote does.

Scorched earth strategies would be a human example and Alex Collier's "Orion Model" would be an ET one.

[joedjemal]

Posted by wynderer (here)
from Joedjemal's post:

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

This matches my own experience. My father was brutal. He abused me physically, sexually and used my fear in rituals. It took me until my late 20s to begin to get over it. When I was seven he made sure my bed was positioned where I could see into the graveyard next door where he did his rituals. He used to send shadowy things after me.

I'd forgotten about that.

[wynderer]

i started watching them, but my mind was balking at the controllers first arriving here as tiny biological parasites -- i'll get back to watching them eventually

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
thanks , Amzer Zo -- i would be very interested to hear your understanding of the parasites

To me it seems these type of energies roam many realms but particularly what is called the "Lower Astral."

Otherwise, Viveck's post here pretty much describes the parasite/host dynamic which is different than a symbiotic dynamic. The parisite doesn't give a sh*t about the host, a symbiote does.

Scorched earth strategies would be a human example and Alex Collier's "Orion Model" would be an ET one.

[Kerrigan]

I loved the doc, thanks U.S.

[9eagle9]

If we are in this world, now, a tad more spiritually aware and knowledgeable than the average bear chances are we developed over several lifetimes. Plenty of time for unwanted eyes to observe and interfer.

I too, had an abusive childhood, not anything nearly that horrific, but it certainly does seem to be a pattern.

Posted by joedjemal (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
from Joedjemal's post:

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

This matches my own experience. My father was brutal. He abused me physically, sexually and used my fear in rituals. It took me until my late 20s to begin to get over it. When I was seven he made sure my bed was positioned where I could see into the graveyard next door where he did his rituals. He used to send shadowy things after me.

I'd forgotten about that.

[9eagle9]

You know what bugs me, if anyone could give me a different perspective. I've always been interested in the British Royal Family, so have read tons of books about them, especially the older ones. There is pattern there of the royals not burying their dead. They stick them in tombs and then bury them much later. Like George VI--died in 52 and wasn't buried until 1969. Ditto Prince Phillips mother, Alice.

I find this peculiar in ways that I can't begin to describe.

[Jeffrey]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X_DCymgvCeE

Fritz talks about the 13 Illuminati Bloodlines, how they came to be, their power struggles, the hijacking of Christianity, Satanism, and the deception in general.

[wynderer]

Posted by joedjemal (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
from Joedjemal's post:

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

i think they go for the ones who will actually get somewhere in their searching

from9Eagle9's post:

I have often pondered if we are even maneuvered into our preexisting families . I know this is possible to arrange into lifetimes that is how each current Buddha is selected and if these ugly forces somehow pervert our incarnations as well.

many abductees have horrific abusive childhoods -- i was talking w/Elaine Douglass , ed of JAR [Journal of Abduction Research] -- she told me that children in these traumatic homes are sometimes 'contacted' by a Reptilian or other 'ET' who becomes the child's best friend/confidante/soother etc -- a good cop/bad cop game

This matches my own experience. My father was brutal. He abused me physically, sexually and used my fear in rituals. It took me until my late 20s to begin to get over it. When I was seven he made sure my bed was positioned where I could see into the graveyard next door where he did his rituals. He used to send shadowy things after me.

I'd forgotten about that.

Hi Joedjemal -- after recovering from the shock of reading your post above -- it started me thinking

first, i am so sorry for what you endured as a little boy -- & to all who had similar chilhoods , but choose to live their adult lives in the spirit of 'the buck stops here' & not continue to carry on what is often a generational curse -- my hat's off to all

i have been reading quite a bit re the Monarch/MK Ultra kinds of mind-control programming [ i am suspecting that something of the sort happens to some abductees ] -- the kinds of trauma such as you describe, & my own traumatic childhood, w/o the satanic ritual stuff -- these are what they use as one of the chief tools in the mind control, to break down the personality /wholeness of their target & install 'alters'

Katari Rose, whose blog i found linked to Duncan O'Finiaon's blog, says that 1,000,000 -- one million USAmericans have been put thru these programs

i suspect that those of us w/these targeted abusive chilhoods -- always remembering the millions of children who are dying in wars & thru starvation & are being sold into sexual slavery by sickos --

i suspect those targeted -- those not in any specific mind control program to be a super soldier or psychic spy, etc -- we are being messed w/in our unconscious, & messed w/also when we are attempting to get free of the Matrix when sleeping so we can do our jobs out there when out of our sleeping bodies

i'd like to add that i hold no bitterness/anger towards my parents -- i believe their minds were being messed w/ also -- they raised 4 kids in the USA '50s w/o TV, junk food, or religion , & gave me a love of books & a social conscience -- they had to be stopped

again, i am so sorry, Joedjemal--

wyn

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by wynderer (here)

Hi Joedjemal -- after recovering from the shock of reading your post above -- it started me thinking

first, i am so sorry for what you endured as a little boy -- & to all who had similar chilhoods , but choose to live their adult lives in the spirit of 'the buck stops here' & not continue to carry on what is often a generational curse -- my hat's off to all

i have been reading quite a bit re the Monarch/MK Ultra kinds of mind-control programming [ i am suspecting that something of the sort happens to some abductees ] -- the kinds of trauma such as you describe, & my own traumatic childhood, w/o the satanic ritual stuff -- these are what they use as one of the chief tools in the mind control, to break down the personality /wholeness of their target & install 'alters'

wyn

They lose the power of control over you once you can start talking about it. The first time you tell someone what has happened to you it's painful and cathartic. Most people cry and have a hard time getting through the telling of their story, and often can't tell it all, but it's the first step. The abuser / system loses it's power over you and you regain your personal power by telling your story.

The more you tell it, the more you weaken those "tags" or "ropes / bonds" as in bondage that you are under. I have used several physical "magical" energetic rituals to help someone actuate their total freedom. It's not really necessary to do anything in the 3d, but many gain strength by physically doing something with intention associated with their actions.

If you want to know how that's done, I will be happy to share it. We all have tags and ropes of connection to groups, people, or spiritual systems. Some are good and some are not good. My gift is in seeing these connections. The wounds are easily seen and appear like black tar areas on your spirit and/or a yellowish oozing wound.

I think some of us get tagged over and over depending on our shielding ability, and it's important to identify those tags. Tags are bonds are like homing devices and make you easy to track in the other dimensions.

[joedjemal]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)

Hi Joedjemal -- after recovering from the shock of reading your post above -- it started me thinking

first, i am so sorry for what you endured as a little boy -- & to all who had similar chilhoods , but choose to live their adult lives in the spirit of 'the buck stops here' & not continue to carry on what is often a generational curse -- my hat's off to all

i have been reading quite a bit re the Monarch/MK Ultra kinds of mind-control programming [ i am suspecting that something of the sort happens to some abductees ] -- the kinds of trauma such as you describe, & my own traumatic childhood, w/o the satanic ritual stuff -- these are what they use as one of the chief tools in the mind control, to break down the personality /wholeness of their target & install 'alters'

wyn

They lose the power of control over you once you can start talking about it. The first time you tell someone what has happened to you it's painful and cathartic. Most people cry and have a hard time getting through the telling of their story, and often can't tell it all, but it's the first step. The abuser / system loses it's power over you and you regain your personal power by telling your story.

The more you tell it, the more you weaken those "tags" or "ropes / bonds" as in bondage that you are under. I have used several physical "magical" energetic rituals to help someone actuate their total freedom. It's not really necessary to do anything in the 3d, but many gain strength by physically doing something with intention associated with their actions.

If you want to know how that's done, I will be happy to share it. We all have tags and ropes of connection to groups, people, or spiritual systems. Some are good and some are not good. My gift is in seeing these connections. The wounds are easily seen and appear like black tar areas on your spirit and/or a yellowish oozing wound.

I think some of us get tagged over and over depending on our shielding ability, and it's important to identify those tags. Tags are bonds are like homing devices and make you easy to track in the other dimensions.

I've been free of it for years. Funnily enough I decided to forgive my father while that incident in Tunisia was going on. That freed me pretty much completely. I can look at the whole thing quite dispassionately now. On thinking about it I might not have made the spiritual progress I have without those experiences. They taught me that there was more going on in the world than Newtonian physics. It made me look deeper.

[wynderer]

Joedjemal --

the only such experience i had was part of the payback after that abduction, when i woke up to find my body paralyzed & some huge dark being immobilizing me & going after me sexually on the astral plane somehow -- the instant i awoke i threw him off w/my will

you appear to have what what was called in the Middle Ages, the 'gift of discernement' -- the ability to not get hornswoggled by their deceptions

in your post following this one, re forgiving your father after the Tunisia thing -- are you saying that your not forgiving your father sort of opened the door to the demon or whatever it was?

[ this is reminding me of seeing both what i called a demon one time, & then an imp -- it was like the demon had the soul of the 'schizophrenic' woman i saw him near -- it reminded me of one of the dogs that kills by quicly breaking the neck, w/the limp body in his mouth [a relatively quick & merciful death ]

wyn

Posted by joedjemal (here)
I've had several encounters with these things over the years but they don't bother me any more. About 20 years ago I had a full on encounter that lasted several days. It's peak was when, in the middle of the night, I woke up and this shadowy entity was standing by my bed. I refused to fear it. I couldn't move at first. It kept changing shape as if it was trying to assume a form so I could fit a belief system on it. For a while it looked like a Roman statue then this window opened up in front of it and i could see a classic grey but I knew it wasn't an alien as such, this definitely wasn't a physical entity and i'd expect to be able to touch a flesh and blood alien. This thing was semi transparent.

While it was standing there my paralysis eased and i sat up in bed and lit a cigarette and kept my eyes on it. I still couldn't speak though, my friend was in the hotel room with me in the other bed but I couldn't wake him. (He did see it on one of its subsequent visits over the next few days) while it was there i saw humanoid shadows crawling around on the ceiling. After a while it faded away.

It came back on several occasions during the day as well. It besieged me. It followed me around slamming doors, knocking peoples drinks over, communicating telepathically offering me power but I knew it was something dark and that there'd be a heavy price to pay and I wasn't interested. I assumed it was some sort of jinn, being in Tunisia. It arrived first a few hours after I'd been practicing weather working. Other encounters with similar things masquerading as aliens occured after I had other spiritual breakthroughs. They seemed intent on diverting me from my path.

Once I got further, learned how to meditate properly and to go with the synchronicity flow they stopped bothering me.

I definitely saw them as some sort of spiritual entity though, the miles wide semi transparent ship above us on another occasion in broad daylight was pretty impressive. That was another attempt at deception after a different spiritual breakthrough. I did think that was aliens for a while, now I'm sure it wasn't.

They seem to be going for people who are searching spiritually, at least they did in my case.

With the Tunisian one I got the distinct impression that it had a whole bunch of souls glued to it somehow and that it wanted me to become one. It wasn't happy with my strongly negative reaction and got quite angry.

[jorr lundstrom]

I follow this thread with great interest and some other threads too. Im
not writing much, because I have difficulties formulating myself those
days. LOL

But Ive tried to look into an aspect of this lately, and I can see that I need
help in uncovering wots lurking in the back ground or under this.

Ive listened to Henrik Palmgren on Redice interviewing Rik Clay (2+2 hrs)

Today I lisened to a shorter version 1hrs 29 min. Link below. I wondered
why Rik died the day after those inteviews. His family says he comitted
suicide. Well he doesnt sound like one being depressed or having any
reason for that.

After 1hrs 10 min he starts speaking about wot happens when we die if
we have a prefixed notion of a savior, in this case Jesus, but I suppose
one can include any savior into this. He says that when meeting one of
those lightbeings, if one projects a programmed picture of a savior on
this, one is trapped and sent back, ie stuck into a loop. LOL
Well is this religions best secret together with the calenders based
on the movements of heavenly bodies to keep us captured in the
physical world?
Is this something too secret to let people know about? Was this the real
reason behind Riks death?

The shamans say: You think we are powerful now, wait until we are dead.
Don Juan described to Castaneda how to bribe The Eagle ie
consciousness to sneak behind it without giving up ones soul.

I want to add that I had a vision of a huge Thunderbird taking of
from a field when I started to listen to the interview today. This
kind of surprised me as our old thundergod in Northern Europe
is Thor, the son of Odin. We have no myths of any thunderbird
here.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1hIr-ZlqIko

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1hIr-ZlqIko


The whole interview, 4 hrs, 6 parts

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mGhmx...110C04F6082293


All is well


Jorr 2.0