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    This is an interesting interview with AJ and his guest Hagmann who has been an investigator for decades. He has made many connections in government, police, military. They discuss how the American people are being manipulated and give examples of government involvement in fomenting dissent among groups.


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    This is Hagmann's site, and it's worth a good read:

    http://homelandsecurityus.com/

    It has lots of links and stuff to further one's research and find out from the sources what has been happening.

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    Tavistock at work:


    The crises are intended and skillfully manufactured by the adepts, practitioners and pawns of the "Never let a good crisis go to waste" school... as pinpointed by good ole' doc John Coleman in his "Diplomacy by Deception" book:

    "Of primary importance is the revision of history and law and subjecting the populace to the deviant creation, thus shifting thinking from personal needs to constructed, fabricated outside priorities. The general rule is that there is profit in confusion, the greater the confusion, the greater the profit. One of the ways in which this can be accomplished is to create problems and then offer solutions.


    "It is essential to divide the people, keep the adults' attention away from real issues and overcome their thinking with matters of relatively little importance. The young must be kept ignorant of mathematics; the proper teaching of economics and history must never be made available. Keep all groups so occupied with an endless round of issues and problems that they have no time to think clearly, and here, we rely on entertainment which should not reach beyond the mental capacity of a child in the sixth grade.

    "When government is able to seize private property without just compensation, it is certain that people are ripe for surrender and consenting to slavery and legal encroachment. Energy sources which support a primitive economy are a supply of raw materials, the consent of people to labor, and assume a certain place, position, level in the social structure viz., provide labor at various levels of the structure."


    Brought into your daily life courtesy of Tavistock Institute's "Operation Research" (see this post).
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    Keep the updates coming Amer zo.

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Tavistock at work:


    The crises are intended and skillfully manufactured by the adepts, practitioners and pawns of the "Never let a good crisis go to waste" school... as pinpointed by good ole' doc John Coleman in his "Diplomacy by Deception" book:

    "Of primary importance is the revision of history and law and subjecting the populace to the deviant creation, thus shifting thinking from personal needs to constructed, fabricated outside priorities. The general rule is that there is profit in confusion, the greater the confusion, the greater the profit. One of the ways in which this can be accomplished is to create problems and then offer solutions.


    "It is essential to divide the people, keep the adults' attention away from real issues and overcome their thinking with matters of relatively little importance. The young must be kept ignorant of mathematics; the proper teaching of economics and history must never be made available. Keep all groups so occupied with an endless round of issues and problems that they have no time to think clearly, and here, we rely on entertainment which should not reach beyond the mental capacity of a child in the sixth grade.

    "When government is able to seize private property without just compensation, it is certain that people are ripe for surrender and consenting to slavery and legal encroachment. Energy sources which support a primitive economy are a supply of raw materials, the consent of people to labor, and assume a certain place, position, level in the social structure viz., provide labor at various levels of the structure."


    Brought into your daily life courtesy of Tavistock Institute's "Operation Research" (see this post).
    VERY GOOD. This should be required reading by EVERYONE who wants to speak of these issues. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...tion.htm#Table Of Contents

    Please take the time to read it if you can. You will recognize many things...

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    How Tavistock got a stranglehold on the US and using it as their play/test ground:

    DIPLOMACY BY DECEPTION

    by Dr, J Coleman (1993)


    6 - Tavistock and "Operation Research" - Undeclared War


    The founder for the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations, John Rawlings Reese, was to perfect a system that would subvert and then control the thinking of human beings so that they could be channeled in any direction so desired by the Committee of 300, also known as the Olympians. It must be said that to do this, one must introduce an automated mentality into the bulk of the targeted population. This is an objective with very far-reaching implications nationally and internationally.


    The end result of Reese's objectives were and remain, control of all human life; its destruction when deemed desirable, whether it be through mass genocide or mass slavery. We are witnessing both today. One is the Global 2000 genocidal plan, which calls for the deaths of more of 500 million people by the year 2010; the other is slavery by an economic means. Both systems are fully operational and working side-by-side in today's America.


    Reese began his Tavistock experiments in 1921; it soon became clear to him that his system could be applied both domestically and militarily. Reese said that the solution to the problems he foresaw needed a ruthless approach, without concern for religious or moral values. He later added another area to his list that of nationalism.


    Reese is known to have studied the work of the Nine Unkown Men, as referred to in 1860 by the French writer Jacolliot. Among Jacolliot's remarks were that the Nine Unknown Men knew about the liberation of energy, sterilization by radiation, propaganda and psychological warfare, all of which were absolutely unheard of in that century. Jacolliot said that the technique of psychological warfare was "the most dangerous of all sciences is that of moulding mass opinion, because it would enable anyone to govern the whole world."


    When it became obvious that British politicians were bent on solving the country's economic problems by means of another war, Reese was given 80,000 British Army recruits to use as guinea pigs. Operation Research was the name given to his project, and basically, it was designed to develop a methodology (logistics) in military management that would make the best use of limited military resources sea, air and land defense systems against Britain's foreign enemies.


    Thus, the original program was a military-management one, but by 1946, Reese had developed Operation Research to the point that it could be applied as a civilian management program. Reese had "arrived," insofar as social engineering was concerned, but his work is concealed in top secret files at Tavistock. Technically, the Reese Tavistock manual, of which I have a copy, is a full declaration of war against the civilian population of any targeted country. Reese said that it had to be understood that "whenever any government, groups, persons in positions of power" use his methods without the consent of the people, it is understood by these governments or groups of people that conquest is the motive, and that domestic warfare exists between them and the public.


    Reese discovered that with social engineering comes the greater need for information that can be rapidly collected and correlated. One of the earlier statements attributed to Reese was the necessity to stay ahead of society and predict its moves by engineering situations. A big breakthrough for Reese and his social tinkerers came with the discovery of linear programming by George B. Danzig in 1947. This came at a time when Reese was engaged in a war with the American nation, a war which is still ongoing, and which was greatly facilitated by the invention of the transistor by Bardeen, Brittain and Shockley in 1948.


    Enter the Rockefellers, who gave a huge grant to Tavistock to enable Reese to press ahead with a study of the American economy, using Operation Research methods. Simultaneously, the Rockefeller Foundation gave Harvard University a four-year grant to create its own American economy model. The year was 1949, and Harvard pressed ahead with its own economic model, based on Tavistock's.


    The only stipulation Reese made as a condition of his cooperation with Harvard, was that Tavistock methods be followed throughout. These were based upon the Prudential Assurance Bombing Survey Study, which led to saturation bombing of German worker housing as a means of bringing about the capitulation of the German war machine. These methods were now ready to be applied in a civilian context.

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    It seems that John Coleman had a copy or some version of this report: Silent weapons for quiet wars, which can also be found as an addendum in William Cooper's "Behold a Pale Horse,"
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    This is Hagmann's site, and it's worth a good read:

    http://homelandsecurityus.com/

    It has lots of links and stuff to further one's research and find out from the sources what has been happening.
    This site has some good info... but be VERY careful what you take to heart on this site. Great info... but some snakes have slithered in under the fence. Disinfo is popping up more and more... they need to bait some of these sources out and do a little house cleaning to get back to their former glory.

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    DHS will be taken down in the end. Enough said!

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    Divide and conquer, the same old tactic being used over and over again...why do we keep falling for this? Why does humanity like conflict so much? If only we all could see how our indifferences and uniqueness’s contribute to the prosperity of all.

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    Quote Posted by spiritguide (here)
    DHS will be taken down in the end. Enough said!
    This site was not DHS, but I agree,
    Every one of the organizations the Cabal copied from the Nazi's and Commie's will be dealt with.

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    Civil War will become inevitable if the Rich refuse to allow the poor to eat, Race war is a concept that often tends to get put forth by types usually attempting to hide their racial contempt under the convenient veneer of "guarding against reverse racism." I've yet to hear one bit of credible evidence that there is any sort of "Race War" coming. The people that talk about Race War usually tend to be associated in one form or another with white supremacist/separatist groups.

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    Quote Posted by spiritguide (here)
    DHS will be taken down in the end. Enough said!
    This site was not DHS, but I agree,
    Every one of the organizations the Cabal copied from the Nazi's and Commie's will be dealt with.
    This is McBain, I'm being attacked by Commie-Nazis!


    LOL, sorry I can't help myself. ^_^;;
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    Now, compare the following summaries of Hagmann previous interviews with Coleman's deconstructions/analyses of the underlying strategies implemented worldwide (Egypt, Tunisia, Lybia, Syria, Greece, etc...):

    From Stan Deyo site:


    May 4, 2012
    Douglas J. Hagmann
    Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. and Northeast Intelligence Network


    1ST PAGE
    • Civil war is coming to the US, and there's no stopping it
    • DHS prepping for economic collapse and money will be worthless.
    • Never seen it this bad; everyone is talking about what they personally will do.
    • DHS brass don't care and are conducting overt actions in plain sight. Most incoming troops are not for training (some are) but as part of a larger force.
    • All know BHO (Barack Hussein Obama) is constitutionally illegitimate.
    • All in Congress know this, and their families are being threatened to keep them quiet.
    • High level News Corp. people talked to the highest at DHS and TSA. The plan is to get people conditioned to seeing troops, paramilitary – get them conditioned to being searched.
    • Dollar will collapse – that will be the bigger event. The trigger event starts in Europe and then heads here. When we see that – start counting because we have only days left.
    • Bernanke / Geitner / top level bankers will be in hiding.
    • Election year – watch BHO's body language. Does he look afraid of not getting elected? "WTF wake up."
    2ND PAGE
    • Then race riots, class riots.
    • Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
    • Then Civil War, not sporadic riots and uprisings here and there.
    • There will be no food – no ETMs – no gas.
    • People will RUN to camps for assistance.
    • Guns must be abandoned and left with police in order to get food.
    • BHO & Bernanke are behind every stupid economic move.
    • Something with China troops here, but China debt to be called in – 5.5 trillion total.
    • Rosebud: How easy will will it be to quell 300+ million people?
      No, the question is: How easy will it be to quell 300+ STARVING people who are unprepared?
    • Shoot to kill orders during collapse will be given to the police.
    • End of meeting
    • More later. Said next meeting 5 May (Sat.) outside of DC. Call Sunday.
    ************************************************** ****
    Corroborating event: Newly elected French president Francois Hollande is working at dumpimg the US dollar and at joining the BRICS nations (see: France to join BRICS nations?)

    ************************************************** *
    From: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516:


    The state of affairs in the US and the events to be generated by the esnlavers are given in the follow up conversation between Hagmann and "Rosebud":


    My source stated that he has not seen things this bad since he began working within DHS. “It’s like they [DHS agency heads] don’t care about what the American people see or feel about what the DHS agencies are doing. They figure that if the average American will put up with being “sexually groped and nuked” just to fly, they’ll accept almost anything. “That’s why their actions are becoming more overt. “It’s in your face and the brass actually chuckle about it” said my source.


    and:


    “They’re power hungry, and they want to remain in charge,” stated this source.

    The “surreal” aspect of suspended elections won’t look so surreal when you see any or all of the “trigger points” take place in the not-so-distant future.

    “The end-game plan for America is its destruction as a Constitutional Republic, with the assistance of the agencies under the umbrella of the DHS.”

    My source stated one more thing that seemed to tie things together. He urged me to recall the quote by Henry Kissinger who was speaking at a Bilderberg meeting at Evian, France, on 21 May 1992:

    "Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

    That threat need not be from beyond. All it might take is a world of starving, broke and desperate people.

    *******************************************

    Accordingly, the US is under siege as in olden days when castles were surrounded and all supplies cut out... excepted that the "enemy" is inside and poisoning the wells, the food as well as the air. The US and many other countries are suffering a "no holds barred" war on their denizens.

    Accordingly, a 3-months survival reserve might not be enough. Alex Collier suggests having enough reserves to last over 8 months.
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    To add to Hagmann's argument on what an intentionally starved people can do:
    Dropping farther down the "Let's starve 'em all useless eaters" rabbit hole:

    Before 1919 when Nesta B. Webster published her history of the French tragedy, there was nothing in English except Thomas Carlyle's The French Revolution (1837). In her preface to The French Revolution: A Study in Democracy (1919) she expressed shock. "So far, in England, the truth is not known; we have not even been told what really happened.

    Histories still teach that before the French Revolution the French aristocracy kept the peasantry hungry and desperate without any real hope or direction for the future. In her work, Webster explodes these notions regarding peasant misery before 1789 with the letters of Dr. Rigby who traveled through the French countryside in 1789 and who described "its extraordinary fertility" and its "state of the highest cultivation."

    "The crops are beyond any conception I could have had of them ,,, tens of thousands of acres of wheat superior to any that can be produced in England..." He described the French people as happy, prosperous and contented. (pp. 4-5)

    Yet in the midst of this abundance there was famine. It triggered the French Revolution just like the unrest today in the Middle East. And we are still taught that upon hearing of the starving French peasantry, Louis XVI's wife, Queen Marie Antoinette remarked,"Let them eat cake." This bogus quotation is used to color the French aristocrats as out of touch. In fact Marie Antoinette blamed England. She knew what was happening.

    And Americans today like Webster, have blinders on when it came to their own government's dishonorable foreign policy. Webster refused to hold her English Government responsible notwithstanding the overwhelmingly damning evidence.

    "What, then, is the explanation of the belief in English cooperation with the revolutionary movement? Of the English guineas found on the rioters? Of the Englishmen mingling in the mobs of Paris during popular agitations? Of the seditious pamphlets printed in London? Of the traffic in letters, messages, and money maintained between England and the revolutionary leaders? Many of these leaders were constantly in England both before and during the Revolution... These facts admit of no denial: to suppose, however, any complicity on the part of the English Government is illogical and absurd." pp.30-31

    A Royalist historian and contemporary of the worst atrocities, Felix Louis Montjoie, copiously documented the role of French King Louis XVI's cousin, the Freemason Duc d'Orleans, who bought up large portions of the French grain in 1789. This role backfired on him as he was guillotined in Nov. 1793.

    Later historians document the role of Pitt, the English Parliament and the King's Privy Counsel in hoarding French grain with the aid of the Illuminati British East India Company in warehouses on the English Channel Islands of Guernsey and Jersey. ("Why the French Did Not Have an American Revolution," by Pierre Beaudry, p. 5.)

    [...]

    In the words of John Robison in his Proofs of a Conspiracy (1797)

    "The earlier revolutionary leaders were, as we have seen, the disciples of the German Illuminati, and it was they who initiated them into the art of forming political committees " to carry through the great plan of a general overturning of religion and government . . . .These committees arose from the Illuminati in Bavaria . . . and these committees produced the Jacobin Club."

    "The chief lesson," Robison goes on to observe, "that the revolutionary leaders took from Germany, was the method of doing business, of managing their own correspondence, and of procuring and training pupils." pp. 190-191

    The Illuminati operating in the guise of the Jacobins forced the regime change historians call the French Revolution. During the Russian Revolution they masqueraded as the Bolsheviks. Today they brag they are behind the Middle East revolutions. So maybe we should believe them.
    .---
    (just like the Russian Revolution of 1917)


    Taken from: France Didn't Have a Revolution

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    Taken from this post.

    For those unfamiliar with what the British East India Company is all about I would suggest to follow Corey's advice above and read Dr. J. Coleman's "The Committe of 300" for a full, comprehensive debrief.
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    Why is Larry Hagman's email address "http://homelandsecurityus.com/" ??? For someone who rales against the Department of Homeland Security, isn't that a bit odd? And while they're all hating over Obama, they never seem to mention the Bush Crime Family's part in all this, including the final looting of the treasury for his buddies Dubya did right before he left office.

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    Quote Farrakhan is on DIA payroll and he will help start these riots.
    Sorry, this one in particular I would have a difficult time swallowing.

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    Quote Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
    Civil War will become inevitable if the Rich refuse to allow the poor to eat, Race war is a concept that often tends to get put forth by types usually attempting to hide their racial contempt under the convenient veneer of "guarding against reverse racism." I've yet to hear one bit of credible evidence that there is any sort of "Race War" coming. The people that talk about Race War usually tend to be associated in one form or another with white supremacist/separatist groups.

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    Quote Posted by spiritguide (here)
    DHS will be taken down in the end. Enough said!
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    Every one of the organizations the Cabal copied from the Nazi's and Commie's will be dealt with.
    This is McBain, I'm being attacked by Commie-Nazis!


    LOL, sorry I can't help myself. ^_^;;
    I think if you start listening to the black panthers, the black liberation theologians, the black muslim "preachers" you can hear a lot of propaganda being thrown about to stir up strife within the black community against the white community. As I said in another post, it is a small group within the various racial groups that do spout this racism, but they are loud and aggressive. It become very plain to see in some areas where there are mobs of several hundred young black people attacking any whites they come across that it is not a hard fuse to light. It is just a joy of chaos and group think or is it a real hatred of whites? I don't know, but I do know the results and the gun sales have sky rocketed this past year and that is more than enough evidence for me that people are expecting something and protecting themselves as best as they are able.

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    I think if you start listening to the black panthers, the black liberation theologians, the black muslim "preachers" you can hear a lot of propaganda being thrown about to stir up strife within the black community against the white community. As I said in another post, it is a small group within the various racial groups that do spout this racism, but they are loud and aggressive. It become very plain to see in some areas where there are mobs of several hundred young black people attacking any whites they come across that it is not a hard fuse to light. It is just a joy of chaos and group think or is it a real hatred of whites? I don't know, but I do know the results and the gun sales have sky rocketed this past year and that is more than enough evidence for me that people are expecting something and protecting themselves as best as they are able.
    Okay, can you please provide me with some citations that would showcase the most glaring examples? I don't listen to preachers so much as what gets said at official rallies or conventions politically. I just know that Farrakhan and Reverend Wright with his "God Damn America!" comments may be incendiary but it's of an entirely different quality than the type of eliminationist rhetoric I tend to see come from the right wing types. Granted I don't really listen to preachers regularly so there might be more I'm missing here. I just hear very different official dialogue encouraged directly by the party apparatus which tends to filter down into the greater community to create an accepted culture along that side of the political axis. The left tends to talk revolution and does its deal of insulting as well, but it's usually put less in a context that suggests that they directly wish those they disagree with politically would be shot dead by someone. (Talk show personalities like Dan Savage, who did apologize aren't quite the same as having your elected officials and party leaders in congress endorse this sort of language.)

    Secondly, mobs? Where? I've never heard of these mobs and that's not me saying they don't exist but that is me asking you if you can please provide a citation for the claim you're making.
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    great post and input from all of you. thanks so much, i am always learning on p.a forums, good teachers here! oh, fyi in case this may be of interest to all of you/ you all may already know of this. hobbs, new mexico a "GHOST CITY" is going under construction on june 30th. interestiing, huh? china has had ghost cities for quite awhile. why now here in the usa? supposedly it is for testing, new types of cars, toilets that you don't need to flush, etc. NOBODY is going to live there???? have anything to do with a civil war? wow it gets crazier and crazier & we get dizzier and dizzier on this merry go round. hope all is well with everyone. sorry if i got off topic. namaste, peace and love universally

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    And again, I would have to say if Farrakhan gets under the status quo skin of someone like Herman Cain, then the rest of the information obtained by Hagman may be also questionable. Here's the video that I am referring to:



    Did he just say its because of the right of free speech, that someone like Farrakhan can abuse the right??? WTF? What does that mean?

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    Quote Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
    I think if you start listening to the black panthers, the black liberation theologians, the black muslim "preachers" you can hear a lot of propaganda being thrown about to stir up strife within the black community against the white community. As I said in another post, it is a small group within the various racial groups that do spout this racism, but they are loud and aggressive. It become very plain to see in some areas where there are mobs of several hundred young black people attacking any whites they come across that it is not a hard fuse to light. It is just a joy of chaos and group think or is it a real hatred of whites? I don't know, but I do know the results and the gun sales have sky rocketed this past year and that is more than enough evidence for me that people are expecting something and protecting themselves as best as they are able.
    Okay, can you please provide me with some citations that would showcase the most glaring examples? I don't listen to preachers so much as what gets said at official rallies or conventions politically. I just know that Farrakhan and Reverend Wright with his "God Damn America!" comments may be incendiary but it's of an entirely different quality than the type of eliminationist rhetoric I tend to see come from the right wing types. Granted I don't really listen to preachers regularly so there might be more I'm missing here. I just hear very different official dialogue encouraged directly by the party apparatus which tends to filter down into the greater community to create an accepted culture along that side of the political axis. The left tends to talk revolution and does its deal of insulting as well, but it's usually put less in a context that suggests that they directly wish those they disagree with politically would be shot dead by someone. (Talk show personalities like Dan Savage, who did apologize aren't quite the same as having your elected officials and party leaders in congress endorse this sort of language.)

    Secondly, mobs? Where? I've never heard of these mobs and that's not me saying they don't exist but that is me asking you if you can please provide a citation for the claim you're making.

    I take the time to research and look into information from lots of sources. You can look up Black quotes on "Kill whitey" and "Kill whites" and "blacks attacking whites" and "Black liberation theology" "Black panthers" and do some searchign yourself. I have shared on other threads some of these sources, but I'm not going to go looking it all up again. I simply share what I have known and no, I am not going to go dig it all up for you.

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