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    Default BOB , James and Carolyn explaining Assencion....144double helix's, chromozone 14, RNA

    This is the first show in the new version of cash flow with Bob, James,Dr.Carolyn Dean and Ion ( not on this show)...
    They have changed the show time to Thurs evening 7.00pm PT, which translates to 'stupid o'clock' in the morning GMT, 3am I think...

    26mins into the first part of tonights show Bob starts explaining the the relevence of
    the changing of the cells for assencion in relation to 144 double helix's chromozone 14
    and the significance of RNA drops, and its relationship to the book of Revelations
    which is the 1st book of the bible and Gennesis which is the last, its a interresting
    segment thru till the end.....

    Its also a good time for anyone to start listening and catch up with them......

    http://www.achieveradio.com/archplay...-Cash_Flow.mp3

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    I have only listened to pt.1 so far.....May 2012..

    http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/

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    Update from thurs/fri 5th Oct 2012............1.00am...

    Bob,Carolyn & Ion talk about RNA Drops and incilinose...

    Starts 10 minutes in.....

    http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/
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    Default Re: BOB , James and Carolyn explaining Assencion....144double helix's, chromozone 14,

    I listened as I dozed in and out. Among so much lackadaisical laughter ... there are awesome pearls of wisdom. And some things are so wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy outside the box that it is mind expanding (for me, at least). I just like these guys.

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    Part two is crammed full of recap information from seeries one....

    http://www.achieveradio.com/archplay...-Cash_Flow.mp3






    All human beings are GOD. There is no GOD outside of human beings.
    These human creators are creating all that is.
    At one point, these human creators forfeited their power, put it in a box (the Arc of the Covenant) called the Mercy Seat and began to believe that GOD was something outside of themselves. All of this was for the experience.
    Human creators can be, do or have anything including the experience that they are not the powerful creators that they indeed are.
    John the Revelator wrote of this process in the Biblical book The Revelation of John.
    The Revelation of John foretells of all the other books of the Bible which is read back to front beginning with The Revelation and ending with Genesis.
    Human creators have not yet experienced the Garden of Eden, this is to come.

    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...n-of-john.html

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...James-Martinez....
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    Default Re: BOB , James and Carolyn explaining Assencion....144double helix's, chromozone 14,

    It was an excellent show and worth listening to again.

    I thought it was interesting in the second hour the discussion about how people on RNA drops not only effect the people around them when they exhale, but the environment - for example, stains on the toilet going away.

    It was also interesting how the 144,000 strands of DNA have a base, a foundation, of four that relates to the four winds, the four directions, and the four technologies - which I think Bob said was: tv, radio, satellite and computer/internet.

    The other mind boggling thing was that "portaling" is actually going through a part of your cell - the "ionosphere" of the cell. And that once one cell gains more DNA strands, it only takes seven more, a total of eight, to start to change the whole body through a "fractal antennae".

    There is a pintad, Bob says, in the center of the cell with five arms. This represents five stages you go through in ascension process: 1) realizing there is no time, 2) realizing the difference between power and authority, 3) talking to objects and angels, 4) something about the blood, and 5) sitting on your throne.

    In hour three, Bob talks about the fact that we have more non-physical than physical and we can start to think of it as an endless supply of energy. This must be what we want to start working with before "cold fusion" technology becomes more prevalent. It is a mind set as much as a technology.

    Good show. Lots of gems!
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    Well put Linda .....Its incredibly detailed information not to be true ..imho...I've been listening to them for over two years and if they are frauds I can't see it......Other than to sell RNA drops, which they are, anti-promoting ..LOL

    Quote There is a pintab, Bob says, in the center of the cell with five arms. This represents five stages you go through in ascension process: 1) realizing there is no time, 2) realizing the difference between power and authority, 3) talking to objects and angels, 4) something about the blood, and 5) sitting on your throne.
    3) The ability to talk to the technology ,enviroment the Angels all around us... 4) your blood has become incredible 5) you are on your throne that is in your cell and that medicine does not understand, that we are the cell , and we effect it..
    Dr.Dean says it " I did not know there is a bath tub in my cells ! Thats true holographic reality "...

    The blood of the lamb/sheep is quoted a lot in the old testement they knew that it is exactly the same as a perfect human being , then they go into detail about the cell splitting, double helix's chromozone 14 etc....

    http://www.achieveradio.com/archplay...-Cash_Flow.mp3

    This is amazing stuff, its hard to explain you need to listen to it carefully ...Steve...
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    Missing Yale student Annie Le found stuffed into wall cavity at university on day she was due to marry
    The body of a missing Yale University student has been discovered inside a wall of a building at the prestigious Ivy League college.

    Annie Le, 24, went missing five days ago, sparking a massive police search.

    The doctoral student's body was discovered stuffed into a wall cavity in the building where she was last seen.

    New Haven Assistant Police Chief Peter Reichard said: 'It hasn't been positively identified as of this time. However, we are assuming it is her ... so we are treating it as a homicide.'



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ubRiKbda



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ubQxM700


    33 mins into part 3 Bob tells the story of the graduate in the above case and its far to strange to make up !!


    http://www.achieveradio.com/archplay...-Cash_Flow.mp3

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    So, in an attempt to put some of this together, based on where I am at in the archives, on the mechanics of creating:

    thoughts are the content and words are the medium,
    and the medium is the message,
    once spoken it is done.

    (from 4/6/11 hour 2)
    words are vibrations,
    vibration is considering,
    that vibration of considering is the essence of every desire,
    it's the signal between two electrons.

    When you speak, you are no longer considering,
    "it is done."

    The essence of the vibration "Is"
    whether it is audible or not.

    Vibration is not sound,
    although sound is comprised in vibration.

    It is the multi-sensory vibration that creates

    "Allowing" is fertilizing and feeding of it,
    drawing it to you.

    In other words, "considering" is the ground, the essence of creation,
    and allowing ourselves to consider creating what we desire
    makes space for it to emerge into our experience and feeds it,
    which draws it to us
    putting ourselves in vibrational proximity to Ourselves as Creator Gods.

    By realizing the power we have to create what we desire with our words,
    our words command the authority of that power.

    I imagine that by getting better and better at creating what we want in a more immediate way
    we start to unstack our unmanifested desires (emptying out the guf)
    and catch up with ourselves with more immediacy of the moment,
    which leads us into the realization that there is no time,
    only one eternal Now.

    Through practice at creating
    we learn the difference between authority (like playing a role, performing a job in society)
    and the Power of the spoken word.

    We create technology we can talk to,
    and learn talk to the angels directly
    who will be in service to us as the guf empties and their focus shifts.

    Our blood changes, with the use of RNA drops, to more translucent color,
    and we take our throne as our Godselves,
    "in our cells".

    Does that sound right to you? Anything you would add or change, Steve? Alie?
    Hmmmmmm.
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    Yes that very good Linda....The 'essence of creation is the spoken word'...originally ion said it was thought but there is a subtle difference....

    The original explanation was the 3-2-1 of creation....

    3—Imagine what you want
    2—Let non-physical bring it into existence
    1—Add details

    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...-want-3-2.html


    Ion has modified it a bit since then and says things like if you relax and allow the desire will manifest
    into your reality...The power is the spoken word , which made sence to me when you think
    of someone having a thought to invent something , but untill it is named & built and used it
    is still a thought...So by the use of speech its brought into use and our physical reality.
    Because if its left as a thought as many creations are they go back to the 'Guf' with our
    non-physical as unrealised,until they are reborn into physical again and over time , but not time as
    we know it as there is no time just one gigantic now!!! Though the cycle is coming to a end and
    we are comming back to our power , back to the immortal being we once were.
    As we are and have always been eternal beings...

    This involves the 'Guf'( Jewish for heaven) emptying, thats why there are so many 'gods' us on the
    physical earth at the momment, we are going to come back into our power some knowingly many by
    default and non-physical and physical will become one again as we were...

    This is only part of it and Its hard to explain,though easier to visualise when you hear Ion
    & Bob explain it..... It invloves ,the change of Atmosphere H 197, blood and DNA , thru the
    activation of 144,000 cells ,double helixs , ring & arms, chromozone 14 and the the activation
    of RNA which acts as a Zerox copier to duplcate everycell in the body perfectly, which is how
    the physical body will be able to last forever.....All great stuff ..Steve


    Ion explains Ascension here......



    ================================================== ========

    iON | The Veil is Thinning & The Guf is Emptying

    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...-emptying.html

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/

    I have just listened to the 9pm segment of last nights show 27th sept 2012 and aprox 24 mins in Ginny plays
    a prvivate reading with Ion....Ginny is a pastor so is well up on the bible and Ion explains
    to her what the cross of christ is ( not a wooden cross) its to do with chromozone 14 and
    coming back to our power its about 7 min clip and they discuss it afterward.
    Really interresting !!
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    Actually Alie & Lynda ..You'l enjoy this I just come across....

    iON | The Original Lord’s Prayer


    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...ds-prayer.html

    The Lord’s Prayer........As told by the 2nd Jesus ( there were 3 in all)

    My Non-Physical,
    which is ever-present in me
    hallowed be your space.
    My kingdom come,
    My will be done
    on Earth,
    as it already is in Heaven.

    Allow me this day to create my daily bliss.
    Allow forgiveness of my trespasses
    as this is only Contrast
    that I Purpose
    to help me Choose
    the fastest path to my Joy.

    Allow me the power
    to not push against,
    or even notice,
    those who trespass on me.
    Lead me through all temptations
    that separate me from
    my Whole, Complete,
    Ascended Power of Beingness.

    Relieve me from
    the false premise of Evil,
    For Mine is the Power
    and the Glory,
    Eternally.

    Selah

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Actually Alie & Lynda ..You'l enjoy this I just come across....

    iON | The Original Lord’s Prayer


    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...ds-prayer.html

    The Lord’s Prayer........As told by the 2nd Jesus ( there were 3 in all)

    My Non-Physical,
    which is ever-present in me
    hallowed be your space.
    My kingdom come,
    My will be done
    on Earth,
    as it already is in Heaven.

    Allow me this day to create my daily bliss.
    Allow forgiveness of my trespasses
    as this is only Contrast
    that I Purpose
    to help me Choose
    the fastest path to my Joy.

    Allow me the power
    to not push against,
    or even notice,
    those who trespass on me.
    Lead me through all temptations
    that separate me from
    my Whole, Complete,
    Ascended Power of Beingness.

    Relieve me from
    the false premise of Evil,
    For Mine is the Power
    and the Glory,
    Eternally.

    Selah
    Thank you so much for writing that out! I had meant to go back and do that and forgot.
    "The Light of my Truth is my Sword."

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Yes that very good Linda....The 'essence of creation is the spoken word'...originally ion said it was thought but there is a subtle difference....

    The original explanation was the 3-2-1 of creation....

    3—Imagine what you want
    2—Let non-physical bring it into existence
    1—Add details

    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...-want-3-2.html


    Ion has modified it a bit since then and says things like if you relax and allow the desire will manifest
    into your reality...The power is the spoken word , which made sence to me when you think
    of someone having a thought to invent something , but untill it is named & built and used it
    is still a thought...So by the use of speech its brought into use and our physical reality.
    Because if its left as a thought as many creations are they go back to the 'Guf' with our
    non-physical as unrealised,until they are reborn into physical again and over time , but not time as
    we know it as there is no time just one gigantic now!!! Though the cycle is coming to a end and
    we are comming back to our power , back to the immortal being we once were.
    As we are and have always been eternal beings...

    This involves the 'Guf'( Jewish for heaven) emptying, thats why there are so many 'gods' us on the
    physical earth at the momment, we are going to come back into our power some knowingly many by
    default and non-physical and physical will become one again as we were...

    This is only part of it and Its hard to explain,though easier to visualise when you hear Ion
    & Bob explain it..... It invloves ,the change of Atmosphere H 197, blood and DNA , thru the
    activation of 144,000 cells ,double helixs , ring & arms, chromozone 14 and the the activation
    of RNA which acts as a Zerox copier to duplcate everycell in the body perfectly, which is how
    the physical body will be able to last forever.....All great stuff ..Steve


    Ion explains Ascension here......



    ================================================== ===========

    iON | The Veil is Thinning & The Guf is Emptying

    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...-emptying.html
    I think another important part of Creating and Being Powerful Creator Gods, is taking responsibility for our Creations.

    I think that can be a big stumbling block to coming into our Power because many of us refuse to take responsibility for EVERYTHING we experience.

    Each time we judge an experience good or bad and create a separation in our Created experiential landscape
    and project the responsibility of creating it, good or bad, onto something/someone in our outer Kingdom (a term not used much by iON anymore)
    and then assign blame onto what we do not like in our experience,
    we externalize our power and separate ourselves from being the Source of that power.

    Then, when we try to gain back that power,
    we use the six "who, what, when, where, how and why" degrees of separation to put that power ever "out there" in an imagined future with an imagined answer
    that never gets answered to our satisfaction enough to feel Our Power.

    To close that gap of separation,
    requires not using the mind,
    to "never mind",
    and relax into the present moment and ask, "what is the fastest path to my Joy?"

    And take action ONLY when we are clear it is in the direction of Joy.

    It sounds easy, and I suppose with practice it is. I find it challenging at times when my experience involves actions someone else has taken that I do not feel in control of.
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    I gotta say i thought i would try the drops out. Ive had a back injury and knee trouble for the last 12 yrs years and for somebody who used to box and run everyday i would try ANYTHING to get me back to how i used to be. It's only been 2 weeks and energy levels have been going through the roof! Less sleep than usual plus no cloud hanging over my head waiting for some energy. Been swimming every other day plus gym in between,. Not back to running but hey, i don't expect miracles just yet.

    The dreams have have been quite unusual.. friends who have been dead (without sounding morbid) have been popping up. One even recommended me a book lol "Revenge Of The Partisan" Not quite sure even after a little Google what the hell he was on about.. but still, interesting nonetheless.

    Will see how this pans out..

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    Well said soul safari , As you can see I'm totaly into this and its great, if you listen to the archive you will know I have asked many questions...
    One involves the drops , I told Ion I was going to assend without them and although tempted i have not bought them yet....
    Ion said it is possible to assend without them althouth you will desire them !! and most of the testomonials have come from members
    in the states....

    I am glad you have given them a go as it will be great to see how they effect you , and I am glad you have come forward to
    keep us informed...I know Linda is thinking of getting some and I may do ,when I've stopped being so 'pig headed'...
    So mate keep us up dated and join in with your thoughts......Steve
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    Default Re: BOB , James and Carolyn explaining Assencion....144double helix's, chromozone 14,

    No worries.. I have been following this here and there. A lot to get to grips with and understand. But from a physical point of view i can't fault it!

    I've got loads more to say about this. I just like to get keep it short and sweet without sounding deep.

    Give me a bit and i'll follow up the progress.

    SS

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    Thank you for this interesting thread, I have downloaded two of the radio shows to listen later. And leaving this post so i can find the thread easily later.

    I have been inspired by Mauro Biglino's research to maybe create a new thread concerning the 24 elders mentioned in Rev 4 which in turn would bring in the subject of DNA and universal civilizations. This has been a passion of mine for around 40yrs now. I first asked the universe the question " Who are the 24elders" when i was 17yrs old. after many years of question and i am pleased to say answers i feel i may try and share the info that has come to me.

    The info on this thread seems to compliment my own research.

    Speak soon.

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    I listened to two of the radio shows on Achieve radio and the topic was interesting but for two one hour shows there was around 15mins of interesting info. number one show was all a bit of a babble, eveyone speaking at one time and mostly way off topic. Ion was quoted quite a lot so i thought i had better give him a listen.

    I listened to Ion on these shows here. http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...n-of-john.html but i am sorry to say i did not agree with his personal intepretations of revelations. Again the topic was very interesting and he knows his bible very well but he contradicted himself many times, and in my opinion was making it up his personal intepretations as he went along.

    One example was when asked about Rev 1-12 The figure like the son of man dressed in a white robe, golden girdle, head as white as snow, eyes like a burning flame and his feet like burnished bronze and voice like the sound of an ocean, Ion replied that this was John trying to describe God. (well this is the son of God, Jesus).

    And later in Rev2-18 the same description confirms that this is Jesus, " Here is the message of the Son of God who has eyes like a burning flame and feet like burnished bronze. but when Ion was asked about this chapter he obviously forgot what he had said before and answered that the feet of bronze represented being grounded. (As if the Son of God needed to be weighted down for goodness sake.) He repeated this senario many times throughout the interview.

    So sorry Ion i do not agree with your personal take on Revelations. but each to their own.

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    No problem Billyji you gave it a listen and if it does not reasonate, no problems , Ion does my head in sometimes......
    As I have said I have listened to the show for two years and thats how they bill it, a show .....
    and when challenged by many on air, he usually say "We don't care suite yourselfe " or something similar
    and yes he is very annoying and very knowledgable.....We all thought he is making this up at first , but
    If he is he is a genious and yes you can pull him up, but he/she is an enigma.....

    The the credibility of the rest of the gang especially James and Dr.CarolynDean ...Bob is a self confest
    former insider & at 90 yrs old is pretty sharpe....they have kept me intrigued and if this info has any merrits it is
    going to happen soon as far as I can tell and if not he can join the rest of the 'False messengers' as said before
    and answers one of your points , the shows are not scripted and there is frivolity ,some times to much but I'm
    keeping with it, and I am still fully involved with the rest of the scene on here
    .....Steve
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    Hi Cindersomerset/Steve i also will continue to listen to Achieve radio as the bits and pieces of info that did come out was very interesting, They just need to be a tad more organized and pass the feather for each to talk one at a time. I am very interested in the 144 DNA and like i said in my earlier post i personaly believe that the 24 elders are very much involved with our DNA structure, 12 +12 = 24 double helix 12 strand DNA system. And the 21 - 25 so called junk DNA that some scientists are beginning to research i believe is connected to the 24 Elders also.

    When i have more time i will create this thread.

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    It's funny that I see this, because while I was checking it out, I had one of my usual 144 synchronicities. I see 144 on stuff ALL the time.

    I got this in my email last night during the checking of this out...





    I'm thinking about it, however on the FAQ's page it says "RnA Drops are NOT Gluten-Free."

    I have given up all foods with gluten in them, because of digestive problems and it keeping me from absorbing minerals.

    I am thinking about this, but hope that they can make it gluten free eventually.

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    This is the first show in the new version of cash flow with Bob, James,Dr.Carolyn Dean and Ion ( not on this show)...
    They have changed the show time to Thurs evening 7.00pm PT, which translates to 'stupid o'clock' in the morning GMT, 3am I think...

    26mins into the first part of tonights show Bob starts explaining the the relevence of
    the changing of the cells for assencion in relation to 144 double helix's chromozone 14
    and the significance of RNA drops, and its relationship to the book of Revelations
    which is the 1st book of the bible and Gennesis which is the last, its a interresting
    segment thru till the end.....

    Its also a good time for anyone to start listening and catch up with them......

    http://www.achieveradio.com/archplay...-Cash_Flow.mp3

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    I have only listened to pt.1 so far.....

    http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/

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    Dr. Dean graduated from medical school in 1978 and holds a medical license in California. She is also a graduate of the Ontario Naturopathic College, now the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine, where she sat on the Board of Governors for six years.

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    Dr. Dean has authored a total of twelve books to share her extensive knowledge in both traditional and alternative medicine. These titles include Natural Prescriptions for Common Ailments, Menopause Naturally, Homeopathic Remedies for Children's Common Ailments, The Miracle of Magnesium, Everything Alzheimer's, Hormone Balance, The Yeast Connection and Women’s Health, IBS for Dummies, Death by Modern Medicine, The Complete Natural Medicine Guide to Women’s Health, Solve it With Supplements, and The Magnesium Miracle. You can also see their website at http://www.DeathbyModernMedicine.com

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