Bill Ryan visits James Gilliland's ECETI Ranch

[wynderer]

if a friend is driven away by my passion for the truth re abductions -- not just MY truth re My abductions, but more in the line of what the h is going on -- then obviously they weren't friends to start with -- David Icke warns that caring what others think is one of the biggest herd controls going

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Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by transiten (here)
Interesting debate, seems like James and Bill are somewhere in between the perspective of David Wilcock.

James and I are 100% agreed that David Wilcock's hype about 'Drake' is based on zero evidence whatsoever. In James' words, "Show me just one high-level insider who's actually been arrested. Then I'll believe it."

James, like an increasing number of other researchers, is highly skeptical of the whole circus that has blown up about Wilcock's wishful claims on this and other issues.

Bill, forgot to push Reply With Quote, please see my post below, i've got these harsh astrological transits today Sun opposite Sun and Saturn conjoinging my Moon, selfscrutiny and testing of my efforts to establsih myself and my ideas.

[transiten]

Excuse me my brain is affected by the Lymedisease..

Posted by transiten (here)
Yes Bill i know but these names were not mentioned. As i percieved it James said ET:s are assisting humanity in the effort to make "The beast collapse into itself" and that doesn't mean we are just sitting around waiting to be rescued. There are clearly two opposing views here on Avalon and we truly live in a 3D of opposites here on Earth. The difficulty is to contain/reconcile these opposites within without going schizophrenic something i'm constantly posting about.

I for one am not 100% sure of anything fighting a Lymedisease that makes me almost incapable of doing anything "big" out there at the moment and i wish i will recover so i can be fully functioning to assist with whatever is necessary for the peaceful development of humanity and "The hour that the ships come in"

[Earth Angel]

Thank you Bill , very well stated........

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
the court case -- sounds to me like folks at the ranch don't know how to get along w/their country neighbors --

100% not the case. That's an unintelligent, crude assumption, based on nothing whatsoever, that does you no justice. You've never even been there, and you do not qualify to have an opinion.

James and his team are greatly liked and respected by the local community. James has been living in this small village for 25 years. The attack is political and is likely to have come from high levels, on orders. It's bureaucracy at its most vicious, irrational, and impersonal. James has responded in every proper, patient and courteous way and is now causing the dogs to back off.

Please do not post stuff like this which intentionally or unintentionally smears others, just because you have an axe to grind about the reptilian agenda. You will by now have read James' response (see the post above). He is grounded, balanced and sane. You should pay a visit sometime.

[sdv]

I enjoyed listening to the interview very much.

From my experience, those who take a victim stance will simply perpetuate the cycle (i.e. make victims of others once they are in power). What I have come to realise in my country is that our president (what a joke!) is in power because he reflects the values and desires of the majority of the population. Once the majority of the population make a change to their world view, values and desires then such a president will no longer be relevant. Coups, arrests, and so on do not break the cycle - they simply move around a few pieces on the board but the game remains the same.

I mentioned this on another thread but it came up again in this interview, where James referred to Obama secretly signing the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. If this was such a secret how come we heard about it on Africa about two months ago (genuine - we sat around at dinner and debated the implications of the bill and wondered of this was America's Rubicon)?

Also, there has been much anger expressed against the bankers who have enriched themselves obscenely and seem to be getting away with it. However, at the root of the whole financial crisis is deregulation. This was not something that happened overnight in secret, but over successive presidencies. Why did Americans not protest and try to prevent such deregulation? Do you know that it is very diffucult to prosecute these blatant crooks because of the climate of deregulation?

As for ETs, as I have said on other threads, I have a bone to pick with them about abductions, and I always remain suspicious of intervention, but that is because human rights and free will are important to me, and to me ET intervention in human affairs violates human rights and free will (and no one has the right to ask for ET intervention on my behalf).

It also occurs to me that the disclosure loudly called for by some, and perhaps seen as verification by many, is another way of avoiding responsibility. Maybe Obama et al just are not able to expand their minds to include the concept of ETs and UFOs being here now (maybe they genuinely don't know, or do know but do not cope well with having that knowledge). Besides, if you have seen something, experienced something, for yourself, then why do you need disclosure (which was an idea that came across in the interview)? Oh, the technology that the US government got from ETs and so on ... the NSA, CIA, FBI and so on are paranoid about secrets and classified information (to an extremely abnormal degree) about everything, so of course they are not going to disclose, especially about something that they do not fully understand or are not in complete control of or cannot be confident about defeating the threat of ...

Alas, the Eceti Ranch is much too far away for me to be able to visit, but I am delighted that those who can freely share their experiences with everyone. Many thanks to those who do!

[RMorgan]

Hey Bill,

Pretty good interview, mate!

Looks like we´re very like minded because I agree 99% with your points of view.

Thanks for sharing your perspective with us!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Sebastion]

Bill:

I have but one question to ask of you, if you know. That question is WHY are all the ets floating around this planet seemingly 24-7? What is the primary reason?

[billyji]

Bill here is the Info on the two Russian Scientists that James was speaking about during the interview. Great interview by the way.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...hift-impending

Nice to hear you oot and aboot again

[mountain_jim]

I appreciate the link, but I don't find the related articles persuasive so far - the most direct info from the Russian's involved in the link chain seems to be here

http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russ...#ixzz1rOObaVQC

but still no display of circles, symbols, and how they interpreted them to get their results.

A group of prominent Russian scientists, including Russian cosmonaut Dr. Marina Popovich, PhD, as well as Victoria Popova, Dr. Sc., Ph.D., and Lidia Andrianova Ph.D. have announced a discovery of extraterrestrial communications in pictograms that extraterrestrial intelligence has placed in crop circles and in stone monuments around the world. The group has created a dictionary of over 250 extraterrestrial pictograms for interpreting crop circles and stone monuments such as "Stonehenge and Avebury stone circles in the UK, Machu Picchu, Chavin de Huantar and the Nazca Lines in Peru, the pyramid of Chichen-Itza and the pyramids of the moon and the sun in Mexico and the Moai of Easter Island and others."

Dr. Marina Popovich, PhD, Victoria Popova, Dr. Sc., Ph.D., and Lidia Andrianova Ph.D. write in their co-authored book “Letters of Extraterrestrial Civilizations: The Last Warning”, “Extraterrestrial civilizations (ETC) warn: the weakening of Earth's magnetic field has reached a critical value, and threatens the life of mankind. ETC’ instructions in crop circles indicate how to escape from global cataclysms which will begin very soon.”

ET pictograms predict global cataclysms

The Russian scientist group states that the extraterrestrial pictograms communicate that “Extraterrestrial civilizations (ETC) predict three preliminary catastrophes followed by global cataclysms of a magnitude beyond anything experienced in living memory. There will be a short time period between all these events."

They continue, “ETC warn that civilization has to be pre-informed about the scenario of global cataclysms [before the] beginning [of the] event. A civilization that is not informed has no chance to make the Transition in time and to prolong life. First pre-cataclysm will be related with interruption of global system of communication – phone, Internet. Pre-informed civilization will avoid shock and chaos of super-powerful disaster and has a chance to make the Transition in time.”

The Russian scientist group “emphasizes that this is a natural cycle of the planet. Part of this process is the development of human consciousness to a point where humanity will have a ‘window of opportunity’ to make the transition to a higher plane of existence. They explain that this point in history can be seen as a kind graduation for humanity to a higher and more subtle level of experience, a type of metamorphosis for humanity connected with ascension. Nobody can be saved individually, as the transition can be made only through the synchronous unification of human consciousness.

The Russian scientist group states, “The time for humans to escape the devastation through the unification of consciousness will be shortly after the first pre-cataclysm. After second pre-catastrophe humanity will have no chance to prolong life because number of people [remaining alive] will be not enough to start up the mechanism of the transition. In the future humanity will join a galactic community of evolved extra-terrestrial civilizations, linked through consciousness.”

Cosmonaut Dr. Marina Popovich

Dr. Marina Popovich "(born July 20, 1931) is a retired Soviet Air Force colonel, engineer, and legendary Soviet test pilot who holds 107 aviation world records set on over 40 types of aircraft. She is one of the most famous pilots in Russian history, and one of the most important female pilots of all-time. Marina Vasilieva became a Soviet Air Force pilot and in 1964, a military test pilot. She authored nine books and two screenplays. Among many other awards, she has been honored as Hero of Socialist Labor, the Order of Courage (presented personally by Vladimir Putin in June 2007)and a star in the Cancer constellation bears her name."


Read more: http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russ...#ixzz1uro0SlPf

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According to the Russian scientist group, the ET pictograms predict a model that shows the Earth undergoing a series of three specific cataclysms, followed by a general state of cataclysmic upheaval.

A weakening of the Earth's magnetic field is the specific mechanism that the Russian scientists hold will trigger this age of cataclysm that will be started by three "pre-cataclysms". As to the extent and timing of the first pre-cataclysm, the Russian scientists state, "The first of these pre-cataclysms is imminent – an extraordinary event which surpasses all natural powers known by humanity. The scientists claim a catastrophic seismic event will emanate from the west coast of Peru in the area of the Brazilian Magnetic Anomaly at the intersection of the Humboldt and the El Nino currents in the Pacific Ocean. An area of the United States from the Gulf of Mexico to the Great Lakes will be inundated as a result of a tsunami. According to prophecy of Edgar Cayce – famous American prophet – during several minutes the waters of the Mexican Golf will joint with Great Lakes. This catastrophe will have a devastating impact on the whole central and south Pacific region, with the likelihood of mega-tsunamis hitting the Eastern seaboard of New Zealand and Australia. The tsunami may even affect the north-western coast of Africa and the shores of Western Europe, but the brunt of the cataclysm will focus on Eastern coast of North America. The second and the third pre-cataclysms will be much stronger."


Read more: http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russ...#ixzz1uroQ6hVf

I see the time for first has already passed

A. Timing – One of the most pressing issues raised by the Russian scientists’ hypothesis and discovery is that of the timing of these hypothetical cataclysms. Their website now states that the first “pre-cataclysm” may occur in late August 2011. That date is so soon to the date of this article (August 16, 2011) that we will know soon enough.

If the first “pre-cataclysm” does not occur at the end of August 2011, then does their entire hypothesis lose credibility? What are the parameters of timing in this case?

part mentioning Stankov (insert roll-eyes smiley here) not included by me...

[Paula]

Posted by onawah (here)
You have to be a paying subscriber to access BBC radio ($5 per month), but if someone records it and puts it on youtube, then anyone can listen, although I don't know if that is actually legal.
I did a search on youtube, but I don't see it there yet.

I don't know if anyone else has posted the link as yet. If so, oops. Here you go onawah. Bill Ryan Visits James Gilliland's ECETI Ranch.

[billyji]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
I appreciate the link, but I don't find the related articles persuasive so far - the most direct info from the Russian's involved in the link chain seems to be here

http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russ...#ixzz1rOObaVQC

but still no display of circles, symbols, and how they interpreted them to get their results.

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Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fD63eqxhLQ

This is their website http://www.ourtransition.info/

http://www.ourtransition.info/index....ng=en&Itemid=2

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks for link Bill listening to it again....When I listened live sunday morning I was tired, and although I enjoyed it
I did not realise the depth of the middle portion, I think I must of dozed off in the middle because some off this seems
new ...cheers Steve ....

PS ignore comment on page one the interview is self explainitory and coherent , must have been me ......

[mountain_jim]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
I appreciate the link, but I don't find the related articles persuasive so far - the most direct info from the Russian's involved in the link chain seems to be here

http://www.cosmostv.org/2011/08/russ...#ixzz1rOObaVQC

but still no display of circles, symbols, and how they interpreted them to get their results.

.

This is their website http://www.ourtransition.info/

http://www.ourtransition.info/index....ng=en&Itemid=2

Thanks for that website link. (Perhaps this side-discussion should be moved to a separate thread, even though it was initiated by James bringing this up in interview.)


I have read alot of crop-circle interpretations over the years where the dates appeared to be well-coded in the designs via astronmical objects and positions, but these ladies seem to be mixing crop-circle stuff with their interpretations of ancient civilization stuff (shadow effect of the serpent descending on the pyramid Kukulkan at Chichen Itza complex, Mexico) to come up with these dates and predictions. I am not yet ready to buy in to these theories.


From this link from their site:

http://www.ourtransition.info/index....mid=2&lang=en\

they state the following:

Summary. The pictogram indicates the necessity of humanity Transition to the next cycle of life on the safe Highest level of the material world before global cataclysm beginning. For the Transition we have to immediately begin training for the unification of consciousness across countries and continents. Extraterrestrials are warning that on September 22, 2012 second pre-cataclysm will happen, which may result in severe radioactive contamination of the environment in connection with the destruction of numerous nuclear power plants, placed on the way of natural blow. For the Transition to other parallel level of the material world we have to make our body transformation. For this purpose, the united consciousness of civilization has to cause a laser beam that removes the body from the level of global cataclysms. The laser beam can arise only in uniform resonant medium of humanity’ united consciousness.

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Dates of the first and second pre-cataclysms indicate the shadow effect of descending serpent on the pyramid of Kukulkan. Dates of first and second pre-cataclysms, in accordance with the scenario, ETC identified by the shadow effect of the serpent descending on the pyramid Kukulkan at Chichen Itza complex, Mexico.

This serpent descends from top of the pyramid to earth twice a year – in the vernal and autumnal equinox on March 21-22 and September 20-22. This is the date of the first and second pre-cataclysms between which humanity has to make the Transition.

About the beginning of global cataclysms on Earth was known many, many thousands of years ago – at the dawn of human consciousness development. It was then that the scenario was compiled.

The reason for the scenario change – nuclear power plants on the way of the first pre-cataclysm. However, life has disposed in another way. The epicenter of the first pre-cataclysm should occur off the coast of Peru – at the intersection of two currents – the Humboldt and El Niño in the area of the Brazilian magnetic anomaly – the weakest magnetic field of our planet, and go up to the eastern coast of the United States.

However, in the way of the first pre-cataclysm, mankind has built many nuclear power plants. The direction of the main blow of the first pre-cataclysm is marked by a red arrow. Dotted arrows indicate possible directions of side directions of the first pre-cataclysm blow.

Therefore, the scenario has been changed. Extraterrestrial civilizations constrained Earth's magnetic field and on March 21, 2012 instead of the first pre-cataclysm occurred only the earthquake in Mexico, a magnitude of 7.4. Without ETC help the world would have radioactive contamination of the environment, which level would be much higher than after the tsunami in Japan.

The date of the second pre-cataclysm. The second pre-cataclysm had to be occurred in accordance with the scenario on March 22, 2012. It will be much more powerful and extraterrestrial civilizations will not be able to constrain it in the same way as the first pre-cataclysm. Therefore, mankind has to unite consciousness and make the Transition, as expected, before the second pre-cataclysm, i.e. before September 21, 2012. Consequently, now the time when humanity has possibility calmly make training for unification of civilization’ consciousness is clocking, but ... there is no training, and time inexorably moves forward to the specified date.



The Transition is possible only up to the second pre-cataclysm. Why humanity has to make the Transition before the second pre-cataclysm? Extraterrestrials are warning that the second pre-cataclysm, if it happens at full power, in a few minutes will destroy 2 billion people. The remaining population of Earth will not be able to start up the mechanism of the Transition, since the number of people will not be enough to cause the laser beam. The united consciousness can no longer cause the action of the necessary force to light the laser beam in order to destroy our bodies at the level of global cataclysms.

[onawah]

Great talk with Bill and James. Thanks for the link, Bill and WCBD.

The thing that concerns me most at this point is Fukushima (and I'm kind of surprised that Bill and James barely touched on that subject in any direct way), which, from what I can see, is going to require open ET intervention to prevent it from continuing to poison the whole planet, and only needs one more good sized quake to dump a motherlode of toxins into the ecosystem.
What we can do until that happens, as James and Bill agreed, is unite as a planet and prevent the earthquake that would finish off Fukushima.
From:
http://blog.imva.info/world-affairs/...t-casts-shadow

Arnie Gundersen of course is the notable exception. “Move south of equator if Unit No. 4 fuel pool goes dry, that’s probably the lesson there—Like cesium from all 800 nuclear bombs ever dropped on Earth, except all at once. There’s more cesium in that [Unit No. 4] fuel pool than in all 800 nuclear bombs exploded above ground.”[1] He says it would certainly destroy Japan as a functioning country and the radioactive clouds would circulate round and round with the heaviest concentrations in the northern hemisphere.

But one of the chief engineeers[2] has a special warning for Californians and everyone directly downwind from Japan. “I’m telling my friends on west coast of the U.S. to watch Unit No. 4 like a hawk—Wake up every day and make sure it’s standing… have a plan to move somewhere.” Sorry sir, but by then it would be way too late. There would be no time for anything and the panic would escalate day by day. There are people who have the financial resources to make such moves but very few are listening to the warnings of impending disaster.

After visiting Fukushima Senator Ron Wyden warned that the spent fuel is a national security threat to the U.S.: “The radiation caused by the failure of the spent fuel pools in the event of another earthquake could reach the West Coast within days. That absolutely makes the safe containment and protection of this spent fuel a security issue for the United States.”

No one is making anything up. The spent fuel in unit sits in an elevated pool outside the reactor core’s reinforced containment, in a high-consequence earthquake zone adjacent to the ocean. It is open to the elements because a hydrogen explosion blew off the roof during the early days of the accident and sent the building into a list. The most dangerous radioactive pool in the world is in a building leaning to one side leaving us all ‘Hanging by a Thread’..

The other hopeful possibility I've seen that predicts no more extinction level catastrophes is the scenario that channeler Suzy Ward of:
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm
has portrayed which says that Gaia is on the threshold of 4D frequencies now, and in 4D, radioactivity is no longer a threat.
My question about that, if it's true, is how far into 4D do we have to be to be safe from radioactivity?
In the meantime, though, she says that the ETs are helping:
from:
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=148&z=2

12. Most of the populace hasn’t an iota of awareness about the giant steps in the collective consciousness that eventually led to the on-going discussions between some of your leaders and representatives of other civilizations. Most people don’t know that technology in spacecraft surrounding the planet is causing widely-destructive weaponry to malfunction; is leveling out the effects of geophysical events; and is reducing the toxicity in all types of pollution, including radioactive elements from nuclear explosions and harmful substances in chemtrails.

Whether Suzy is right or not, I don't know, but her version of the future is certainly one of the more hopeful ones.
Bob Dean also says our future is glorious, and that it's coming soon, so even those who don't have any faith in channelers can perhaps take comfort in Bob's vision of the future.

Though it's certainly true that we cannot just sit back and let Gaia or the ETs take care of all our problems for us, for most of us, I think, there needs to be a sense of hope and some logical reasons for having it, to even have enough energy to take part in helping to create the solutions.

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Bill and others that might be ineterested; I'm posting this one more time. I'm having agony attacks because of the Lymedisease and i'm oversensitive at the moment. I just want to say that english not being my native language "in between" might not be the proper wordings for what i meant. I just sensed that James in some respects were closer to Davids perspective and you Bill further away f.i. when it came to the assistance of ET:s when defeating the cabal and i'm sorry if it came out like i said you are on the same page as Wilcock which is absolutely NOT what i intended.

Posted by transiten (here)
Excuse me my brain is affected by the Lymedisease..

Posted by transiten (here)
Yes Bill i know but these names were not mentioned. As i percieved it James said ET:s are assisting humanity in the effort to make "The beast collapse into itself" and that doesn't mean we are just sitting around waiting to be rescued. There are clearly two opposing views here on Avalon and we truly live in a 3D of opposites here on Earth. The difficulty is to contain/reconcile these opposites within without going schizophrenic something i'm constantly posting about.

I for one am not 100% sure of anything fighting a Lymedisease that makes me almost incapable of doing anything "big" out there at the moment and i wish i will recover so i can be fully functioning to assist with whatever is necessary for the peaceful development of humanity and "The hour that the ships come in"

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The above post is answering this one. And also the word "debate" should be chaged to "conversation"...i seem to have started a debate after my post

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by transiten (here)
Interesting debate, seems like James and Bill are somewhere in between the perspective of David Wilcock.

James and I are 100% agreed that David Wilcock's hype about 'Drake' is based on zero evidence whatsoever. In James' words, "Show me just one high-level insider who's actually been arrested. Then I'll believe it."

James, like an increasing number of other researchers, is highly skeptical of the whole circus that has blown up about Wilcock's wishful claims on this and other issues.

[HaveBlue]

We must all support James in his battle with his local council. This is about human rights to live as he pleases. Where are the victims and where is the harm done.

It shows how scared the PTB are of people waking up. James is one of the most enlightened people on the planet. Are they really trying to provoke another Ruby Ridge?

It sure does look like it.

[Paul]

Posted by wynderer (here)
if a friend is driven away by my passion for the truth re abductions -- not just MY truth re My abductions, but more in the line of what the h is going on -- then obviously they weren't friends to start with -- David Icke warns that caring what others think is one of the biggest herd controls going

Sometimes people are driven away by one's passion and truth ... their choice, and your choice to no longer consider them a friend.

But sometimes people can be driven away by other things, such as (to take an example) presenting harsh and unjustified criticisms of others ... then you might consider as a friend the one who would bring this to your attention and ask you to not do that here.

Thanks.

[Davidallany]

What a wonderful and rich interview indeed. Bill and James engage in very intelligent exchange of really important information. Excellent interview.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Thank you my Dear ;-)

[Zebra]

I just love listening to James Gilliland - he is a gentle man with a great strength - and he is one person in this field that I would really like to meet.

I also have great regard for Bill Ryan's depth and I always like how he can move from being intrepid researcher to seeing the humanity in others.

Together, it was a pleasure to listen - live - to their wonderful conversation. It made my night

Cheers,