Clif High Tracking Future Events - Drake, Mass Arrests, Wilcock & Fulford

[StarDust]

Posted by Paul (here)
And nesaranews is complaining that Clif High's interview is a hit piece ? Clif High had his rants in that Red Ice interview, but on the whole, he was far more measured and sensible, in my estimation, than this nesaranews post.

The above post on nesaranews is a hit piece; it has much more name calling and defamation than Clif High's interview. It is little more than a pot stirring.

The effort to stir this Drake-Fulford-Wilcock controversy into a first class Hatfields vs McCoys feud within the alternative media audience (us) appears to still be in high gear.

I am a bit disappointed that you would post a copy of such clap trap here.

I can't believe anyone would defend someone who managed to get on the airwaves only to spend multiple hours bashing other people. The only place that interviewee should be accepted is on the Jerry Springer show.

It would have been different if High had spent the time discussing information/ideas that he had researched himself. No, he's not capable of that. All he can do is discuss what a badass he is in the dojo and hide behind a really bad computer algorithm that can't make a prediction to save his life. What made it a complete waste of time was that it amounted to 1.5 hours of listening to his character assassinations of others.

People are welcome to praise him as a breath of fresh air, but from my perspective that blast of air came straight from his arse.

[Zebra]

Posted by StarDust (here)
It would have been different if High had spent the time discussing information/ideas that he had researched himself. No, he's not capable of that. All he can do is discuss what a badass he is in the dojo and hide behind a really bad computer algorithm that can't make a prediction to save his life. What made it a complete waste of time was that it amounted to 1.5 hours of listening to his character assassinations of others.

People are welcome to praise him as a breath of fresh air, but from my perspective that blast of air came straight from his arse.

Well, listening to him talk, I think he has analysed and evaluated a wide range of data, quite confidently. There is a lot of sense in what he says, in how in joins the dots.

Hard predictions, per se, don´t interest me so much but the potential, emergent trends that he points to, are interesting to consider.

Could you explain what you know about the technology that he uses? Why you think it has no value?

Personally, by the way, I am not interested whether he hangs out in a dojo or a rodeo. What he is trying to understand and what he is trying to do in relation to help the earth - that´s important. So, I am keen to know more.

[Paul]

Posted by StarDust (here)
I can't believe anyone would defend someone who managed to get on the airwaves only to spend multiple hours bashing other people. The only place that interviewee should be accepted is on the Jerry Springer show.

So ... when I object to the name calling of the nesaranews post you quoted, you defend it ... with more name calling.

I hope you're not surprised that you didn't persuade me.

I recommend this Red Ice Radio interview of Clif High. It has much substance.

[indigopete]

Posted by StarDust (here)
I can't believe anyone would defend someone who managed to get on the airwaves only to spend multiple hours bashing other people

I've seen more "bashing" on a cooking programme.

The critical appraisals of the 'mass arrests' prediction were well made and well explained without resort 'add hominems'.

The host even went right out of his way to declare his interest in airing all sides of the discussion and reported his efforts to invite the relevant parties on the show.

Pete

[StarDust]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
I can't believe anyone would defend someone who managed to get on the airwaves only to spend multiple hours bashing other people. The only place that interviewee should be accepted is on the Jerry Springer show.

So ... when I object to the name calling of the nesaranews post you quoted, you defend it ... with more name calling.

I hope you're not surprised that you didn't persuade me.

I recommend this Red Ice Radio interview of Clif High. It has much substance.

Name calling? You're being sensitive about something that doesnt exist as there was nothing within my rebuttal that remotely resembled name calling. Any descriptors were aimed as a direct critique of High. My response was not intended to persuade you to do anything. Knock yourself out & reccomend away!

[StarDust]

Posted by Zebra (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
It would have been different if High had spent the time discussing information/ideas that he had researched himself. No, he's not capable of that. All he can do is discuss what a badass he is in the dojo and hide behind a really bad computer algorithm that can't make a prediction to save his life. What made it a complete waste of time was that it amounted to 1.5 hours of listening to his character assassinations of others.

People are welcome to praise him as a breath of fresh air, but from my perspective that blast of air came straight from his arse.

Well, listening to him talk, I think he has analysed and evaluated a wide range of data, quite confidently. There is a lot of sense in what he says, in how in joins the dots.

Hard predictions, per se, don´t interest me so much but the potential, emergent trends that he points to, are interesting to consider.

Could you explain what you know about the technology that he uses? Why you think it has no value?

Personally, by the way, I am not interested whether he hangs out in a dojo or a rodeo. What he is trying to understand and what he is trying to do in relation to help the earth - that´s important. So, I am keen to know more.

Here is High's "genius" prediction for 2012:


Future predictions

Major catastrophe in 2012 – The Web Bot has gained most of its notoriety for contributing to the 2012 phenomenon by predicting that a cataclysm will devastate the planet in the year 2012, possibly a reversing of Earth's magnetic poles or a small series of nuclear attacks leading up to a major attack during the year. The prediction does not call for a complete end of the world.

It's absolute rubbish. If his ALTA based linguistics algorithm was so incredibly advanced then he should be a multi-trillionaire from cleaning up on the stock market. He isn't anywhere close. He's a hack technologist with a good idea that was poorly executed.

[Paul]

Posted by StarDust (here)
Here is High's "genius" prediction for 2012:
...
It's absolute rubbish.

I had not been listening to Clif High for some time ... for when I had, I didn't trust it.

This Red Ice Radio interview of Clif High was excellent however (though I realize that some who support Drake, Wilcock and/or Fulford won't like it, and may choose to attack the messenger.)

[nonesuch]

I liked the interview. I found it as credible and as interesting as any of the other speculative fiction writers/speakers who've found favor with a growing internet fan-base who wouldn't consider skipping the next online episode of "Conspiracy Mob Wives" and certainly wouldn't be caught dead in any forum worth its salt without an acceptably strong opinion against one of the regulars on the show. Mea culpa!

Talk about fear porn. Let's! What keeps anyone polarized against another? Fear. What keeps the suspicions alive that someone you don't like deliberates against your interests? Fear. What brings you to dis someone to protect your favorite online reality star? Fear. What makes the muskrat fear his musk?! Well, you get the idea.

And what is fear, but rejection of feeling afraid. And why reject it? Because it appears so powerful! More powerful than your love? Not so. To make it a habit to disallow each fear its silly moment in the spotlight creates over time the banquets our Fathers Who Aren't in Heaven feast upon in all their grease slobbering gluttony.

So the next time I notice how much I do not like someone, I'll check under the table to see if there's something a little scary slithering in the shadows, maybe looking for a little action in my shoes. Then against all conditioned wisdom, I shall take a deep breath, invite that sucker into my body , let it know its welcome here and give it a luxurious taste of life in a body of love, letting it grow up healthy and strong, then freeing it from my awareness and care to it's own evolution. It might take more than a few minutes, sometimes less, but then— poof, it's gone!!!

That is, until I come across another post by some idiot who, in my expert opinion, doesn't know what he or she is talking about! Ugh, not this again! (Rinse and repeat.)

[joedjemal]

Um... I've been a subscriber to HPH since the old days. Cliff gave me a free subscription to the old ALTA reports when he found out I was on disability benefits. The HPH technology predicts language not events although I've seen a great many hits come from it. The prediction of a radioactive volcano and radioactive winds around the world were fulfilled by Fukushima. I watched the Bunsfield oil depot fire fulfill another and he got the Indonesian quake and tsunami.

Because the technology predicts what people will be talking about rather than actual events it also picks up stuff that a lot of people talk about but that doesn't actually happen like that daft Elenin thing.

I agree with his position on Drake, Fulford and Wilcock. I disagree with him on other things like his expando planet stuff and a few other things. He does have a bit of a tendency to go into hyperbolae but that doesn't invalidate his work with the web bots which in my experience has about a 60% hit rate for language and about 40% for real events. He often gets the interpretation wrong but you do see the actual language he bases his interpretation on unfold frequently.

I have yet to see anything that Fulford or Wilcock predicted happen in the real world, to me, track record speaks volumes about the reliability of a source.

[StarDust]

Posted by joedjemal (here)
Um... I've been a subscriber to HPH since the old days. Cliff gave me a free subscription to the old ALTA reports when he found out I was on disability benefits. The HPH technology predicts language not events although I've seen a great many hits come from it. The prediction of a radioactive volcano and radioactive winds around the world were fulfilled by Fukushima. I watched the Bunsfield oil depot fire fulfill another and he got the Indonesian quake and tsunami.

Because the technology predicts what people will be talking about rather than actual events it also picks up stuff that a lot of people talk about but that doesn't actually happen like that daft Elenin thing.

I agree with his position on Drake, Fulford and Wilcock. I disagree with him on other things like his expando planet stuff and a few other things. He does have a bit of a tendency to go into hyperbolae but that doesn't invalidate his work with the web bots which in my experience has about a 60% hit rate for language and about 40% for real events. He often gets the interpretation wrong but you do see the actual language he bases his interpretation on unfold frequently.

I have yet to see anything that Fulford or Wilcock predicted happen in the real world, to me, track record speaks volumes about the reliability of a source.

As I stated previously, he has a good idea but a poor way of executing it. If you look at the earth as a system of collective consciousness then you will understand where I am coming from. Since his model is centered around internet chat, 'news', & tidbits of this and that, it is missing a HUGE piece of the puzzle. Namely the billions of people who either do not have internet access, don't use the technology and most importantly, don't participate regularly. This is the singular reason why his methodology and consequently his algorithms are inaccurate.

It also does not account for infinite possibility within infinite parallel realities just for "Earth". But that's another rabbit hole all together and the only way one could create an algorithm to work within that understanding would be to plug directly into the Akashic record. As if that was even a possibility. I don't know if it is or what level of being you would need to be granted access. What I do know is that the current version of "Clif High" is not advanced enough to have access. Sorry Cilfford, nice try, but hardly accurate enough to provide anything more than a glimpse of what may be less than half the time in the negative space that it operates within.

[Omniverse]

Hopefully they get rid of all the technology that causes these disasters...

[eileenrose]

Posted by joedjemal (here)
Um... I've been a subscriber to HPH since the old days. Cliff gave me a free subscription to the old ALTA reports when he found out I was on disability benefits. The HPH technology predicts language not events although I've seen a great many hits come from it. The prediction of a radioactive volcano and radioactive winds around the world were fulfilled by Fukushima. I watched the Bunsfield oil depot fire fulfill another and he got the Indonesian quake and tsunami.

Because the technology predicts what people will be talking about rather than actual events it also picks up stuff that a lot of people talk about but that doesn't actually happen like that daft Elenin thing.

I agree with his position on Drake, Fulford and Wilcock. I disagree with him on other things like his expando planet stuff and a few other things. He does have a bit of a tendency to go into hyperbolae but that doesn't invalidate his work with the web bots which in my experience has about a 60% hit rate for language and about 40% for real events. He often gets the interpretation wrong but you do see the actual language he bases his interpretation on unfold frequently.

I have yet to see anything that Fulford or Wilcock predicted happen in the real world, to me, track record speaks volumes about the reliability of a source.

Thanks for bringing this up. I havn't tried to make sense of every prediction Clif High makes. Just like pretty much anyone, he has his own take on what the information means...which obviously he gets wrong (as often as not). I just like the idea of using computer bots to predict events....which sounds...reasonable. And, when just lightly read over, his information stands out (on its own). I just don't take any of it too seriously.

But I can't say the same thing about other researchers, as they are using humans as their base of information. And humans are more un-reliable than computer software programs (as they say in the programing world, 'Garbage in, Garbage out'). I am only speaking of people who talk to other people and then report to us. They tend to become unreliable. As they become invested in the information meeting their requirements/needs, which usually involved their own popularity (and finances).

Basically, if money is involved anywhere in their information collection system, it falls apart (the information). And guess what, there is money to be made...reporting on alien encounters, UFO sitings, whistleblower interviews and 'being seen as psychic'. Lots of money at stake means the person needs the information to fit certain criteria. ....that it inflames people. Otherwise, who would anyone pay to hear it (at conferences or where ever)?

Just my ten cents worth on this topic (clif high, drake, wilcock, fulford and I am hinting at others as well...pretty much anyone invested in 'reporting' to us the 'facts').

The only honest people left, then, are the people who don't claim to have an opinion (ie. who arn't getting paid to have one). But they arn't as much fun and don't incite lots of 'hits' on websites. So practically speaking, this idea that we need popular forums with loads of members dishing on one another is something that isn't going to last that long.

As the more dishing out that happens, the more people get turned off, and the more attractive a site for dis-information it becomes.
Two things that will kill the internet.....

[UnrealDreams]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
So with that said, it is highly, highly unusual for Red Ice Creations to attack David Wilcock, Benjamin Fulford and new comer Drake in such a brash, close minded, and testosterone driven fashion.

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard was Mr. High attacking these peoples' positions and trying to make sense of something he found to be senseless. He might have gone too far, but he is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else. All Red Ice did was conduct an interview. I will listen again, but I don't recall Red Ice attacking anyone. Maybe they could have explored alternate angles a little better, but this is talk radio, not journalistic reporting and there is a huge difference.

Posted by StarDust (here)
It is my humble opinion that fine people over at Red Ice Creations should retract the Clif High interview and or at least offer a substantial apology to the injured parties.  

No, what they should do is invite Ben, David, or Drake on the air.

In defense of Red Ice, they said at the very beginning of the interview that they did invite Drake, Fulford and Wilcock to discuss these events and were declined by all parties. He also stated at the very beginning that this was going to be a contrary view, so those who didn't wish to hear the contrary view were warned right from the get-go.

My opinion may not be popular, but I am getting the exact same feeling as Clif High.

Fulford is an idiot and a tool.
Drake is a fake. I've thought this from the first few minutes I heard him speak. He reeks of disinfo.
Wilcock, although well meaning, is being sidetracked with the financial terrorism BS.

I'm most sad and extremely disappointed about Wilcock dropping his life's work at the very moment humanity needs to be awakened to the incredible facts he was uncovering, and running with the financial terrorism material.

[eileenrose]

re: "I'm most sad and extremely disappointed about Wilcock dropping his life's work " by UnRealDreams
Wait ten minutes. That is about how long it takes me to find someone else's work to read instead (since he has lost interest in what he started....his earlier work...which interest me a lot).

[gripreaper]

[eileenrose]

What I really think is interesting is some of the background fact checking that is going on about Fulford right now. Here and elsewhere.

I am starting to think very little is real (in the internet whistleblower world). Which is probably what TPTB want.

[Zebra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Fabulous, thanks.

However, nothing is certain .. and Clif High makes this known in a disclaimer on his site, stating: Please note that our interpretations are provided as entertainment only. We are to be held harmless for universe placing substance behind our words. Or not, as it so chooses.

Here is an extract from his theoretical underpinning:


Here at Half Past Human we forecast the future.

We are not alone in forecasting the future, all humans do it to some degree. Just a quick search of the internet will provide dozens of forms of future forecasting. Some use astrology, some use other methods.

We employ a technique based on radical linguistics to reduce extracts from readings of dynamic postings on the internet into an archetypical database. With this database of archtypical language, we calculate the rate of change of the language. The forecasts of the future are derived from these calculations. Our calculations are based on a system of associations between words and numeric values for emotional responses from those words. These 'emotional impact indicators' are also of our own devising. They are attached to a data base of over 300/three hundred thousand words. This data base of linked words/phrases and emotions is our lexicon from which the future forecasting is derived.

We call our future viewing the ALTA reports for 'asymetric language trend analysis'. The ALTA reports are available by subscription.

In the beginning.....

The beginning of all of our processing is the word. Or words, rather - actually excessively large amounts of them. Totals of words beyond all reason. These then are distilled down into a thick syrupy mass and placed in an inadequate visual display and from there interpretation proceeds.

Our interpretations of the data sets that we accumulate are presented in the form of a series of reports which detail the interpretations of the changes in language and what we think that they may mean.

Please note that our interpretations are provided as entertainment only. We are to be held harmless for universe placing substance behind our words. Or not, as it so chooses.

The interpretations provide a broad brush view of the future over the next few years. The broad view of the future is based on set theory and provides a collection of linguistic clues which can be used to forecast developing trends.

Some of our subscribers use these forecast interpretations to develop models of their own futures in our collective and changing planetary future. Some use the forecasts for trading purposes. Others for wild entertainment of the mostly implausible and highly improbable kind.

Even by our own rigorous standards, our forecasts are proving out better than mere chance would allow. Our track record is being tested with each new report series. So far, so good. We have a very high rate of returning subscribers (over 90%) which is likely an indication of needs being met.

Read more here: http://halfpasthuman.com/altaprocess.html

Or view on video:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJLZU_b4iao

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AXhNXNyIBQ

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmN5VSf3j04

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_izQwNgARJg

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoBLAsjMb2o

[hectorlca]

Posted by Taurean (here)
Perhaps THE most important interview I have heard yet.

I think I now know what to believe.

Hi Taurean,

I don't think I have enough time to listen to the whole thing right now, but I'm definitely interested in possibly listening to it later.

Could you expand on what you thought of the interview and what things were clarified for you?

Many thanks!

Hector

[hectorlca]

Posted by UnrealDreams (here)

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
So with that said, it is highly, highly unusual for Red Ice Creations to attack David Wilcock, Benjamin Fulford and new comer Drake in such a brash, close minded, and testosterone driven fashion.

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard was Mr. High attacking these peoples' positions and trying to make sense of something he found to be senseless. He might have gone too far, but he is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else. All Red Ice did was conduct an interview. I will listen again, but I don't recall Red Ice attacking anyone. Maybe they could have explored alternate angles a little better, but this is talk radio, not journalistic reporting and there is a huge difference.

Posted by StarDust (here)
It is my humble opinion that fine people over at Red Ice Creations should retract the Clif High interview and or at least offer a substantial apology to the injured parties.  

No, what they should do is invite Ben, David, or Drake on the air.

In defense of Red Ice, they said at the very beginning of the interview that they did invite Drake, Fulford and Wilcock to discuss these events and were declined by all parties. He also stated at the very beginning that this was going to be a contrary view, so those who didn't wish to hear the contrary view were warned right from the get-go.

My opinion may not be popular, but I am getting the exact same feeling as Clif High.

Fulford is an idiot and a tool.
Drake is a fake. I've thought this from the first few minutes I heard him speak. He reeks of disinfo.
Wilcock, although well meaning, is being sidetracked with the financial terrorism BS.

I'm most sad and extremely disappointed about Wilcock dropping his life's work at the very moment humanity needs to be awakened to the incredible facts he was uncovering, and running with the financial terrorism material.

Completely agree. This shift is about something much more profound than economics. Sure, it has to do with economics, but that's just the setting, not the goal. I'm sick of hearing him spew "hope" every week with nothing to show for it except some low production youtube videos with people that seem to have gotten their attire from a film studio that had an overstock of ancient japanese costumes.

And David? Sigh David....The constant Edgar Cayce references and his mentions to how reliable his dreams are...and this whole financial terrorism bs...he must realize it's a dead end. That cow is running out of milk fast, and I'm waiting to see what his next topic is going to be about, because this one just makes me roll my eyes.

[Finefeather]

What strikes me is that there are more or less 2 distinct sides, one for and one against the Fulford, Wilcock, Drake consortium.
Both have such convincing arguments. Here is a must read for a take down of this audio interview: Quite powerful !
http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/0...-on-bbs-radio/

Now after listening to both sides for quite a while, I have to say that each have their merits and are quite entertaining to read and watch.
But my vote goes to the 'against' the Fulford, Wilcock, Drake consortium, Why ?...Just too many technical errors.
I know that mankind will find it's own solution to the predictable state which we are in.
I do not need a Fulford, Wilcock, Drake consortium to tell me that we are on the verge of a breakthrough with a never ending soap drama.
The minority have outsmarted the majority because the majority are clever AND devious, and they know the majority are just too busy with themselves.
The majority thinks that voting comes along every few years so there is no need to worry and plan, "I'll get to that when it comes around again!"
While the minority are planning..., have been planning for 100s of years and they know i'ts like taking candy from a kid.
When the majority grow up and get their heads out of their asses, we will start seeing change.
Fortunately we are at the beginning of the manifestation in this our 5th race (2 to go) of the 7th Ray (Constellation of Aquarius) wherein the life energies will influence the mental side of our nature.
This will expand and reveal our abilities to think and adapt and become seekers of knowledge and masters of truth.