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    Default Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    The first thing I wanna address is the Mayan calender, unless you buy into that
    doom and gloom B.S. you will know the world does not end in 2012. If you do
    believe that then this thread is not for you.

    The second thing I want to address is if you believe nothing is gonna happen in
    2012 and were gonna keep on going with the way things are you might as well
    stay in the same group as the doomsday folks, because your not looking at things
    from the right perspective.

    What we are seeing know is the being of the systems which do not work coming
    to an end. I find it amazing with all the things that are happening on the planet
    people are still convinced nothing is gonna happen and the dark side is gonna
    continue running the planet.

    I think that most people on Avalon are very aware of what these people are
    capable of and if they were aloud to continue without intervention on a higher
    level, we would be in big trouble. If you do not believe they haven't
    intervened before, then watch the ancient alien show on the history channel
    the evidence in enormous.

    This is what i can tell you and it's just my opinion. I don't know If Drake, David
    Wilcock and all these other people are right, but what i do know is from
    everything I have learned from all books I have read and countless movies
    I have watched on project Avalon and Camelot, that humanity will reach it
    highest potential.

    If you think that nothing good is gonna come out of humanity, then I have
    one question for you, whats our purpose then? what are we here for?

    Here is a video by Bashar from a couple years back tell me it doesn't sound
    similar to what is occurring know.

    knowledge is key to wisdom as is in keeping an open mind is essential for opening new doors

    you once kept closed .

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    Default Re: Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    Hey mate,

    I appreciate your point of view.

    However, independently of how many books you´ve read or videos you´ve watched, you don´t KNOW what will happen.

    You BELIEVE you KNOW what´s going to happen. That´s all.

    So yes, things might change for better in a couple of months but things might change for worse, just like things might not significantly change at all.

    We don´t know. Nobody knows. Only time will tell.

    Cheers,

    Raf.
    The house is on fire, the fire alarm is ringing, you can smell the smoke, you can feel the heat, but somehow, refuse to get out of the bed and do anything about it; Maybe you´re just scared, maybe you believe the fire is an illusion, or maybe you´re just waiting for a miracle to save you...Eventually, you die. So, what is it worth to be "awake" if you don´t get out of the bed and do something?

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    Default Re: Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    OMG! It's 5 to midnight!



    ... happens every day... except for those broken time pieces which are right on time twice a day.
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    Default Re: Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    Quote Posted by white wizard (here)
    The first thing I wanna address is the Mayan calender, unless you buy into that
    doom and gloom B.S. you will know the world does not end in 2012. If you do
    believe that then this thread is not for you.

    The second thing I want to address is if you believe nothing is gonna happen in
    2012 and were gonna keep on going with the way things are you might as well
    stay in the same group as the doomsday folks, because your not looking at things
    from the right perspective.

    What we are seeing know is the being of the systems which do not work coming
    to an end. I find it amazing with all the things that are happening on the planet
    people are still convinced nothing is gonna happen and the dark side is gonna
    continue running the planet.

    I think that most people on Avalon are very aware of what these people are
    capable of and if they were aloud to continue without intervention on a higher
    level, we would be in big trouble. If you do not believe they haven't
    intervened before, then watch the ancient alien show on the history channel
    the evidence in enormous.

    This is what i can tell you and it's just my opinion. I don't know If Drake, David
    Wilcock and all these other people are right, but what i do know is from
    everything I have learned from all books I have read and countless movies
    I have watched on project Avalon and Camelot, that humanity will reach it
    highest potential.

    If you think that nothing good is gonna come out of humanity, then I have
    one question for you, whats our purpose then? what are we here for?

    Here is a video by Bashar from a couple years back tell me it doesn't sound
    similar to what is occurring know.

    Bashar is amazing in his capacity to explain how systems work!

    One will be provided with "the parallel reality Earth that is vibrationally commensurate to the experience [you] believe [you] would have. And it will be, literally, a different Earth from all the other Earths."

    The future ONE desires based on ONE's vibrational frequency shall be granted. Choose wisely!

    "Where your focus goes, energy flows." ~Alex Collier

    My "messaging" comes directly from a 6th Density social memory complex in the etheric realm of Sirius B; of which I am a member. I volunteered to incarnate here as a representative of our SMC and to assist Gaia and Terrans in the transformation. My message is designed to assist those who are seeking. If the message does not resonate with you, then simply discard it and move on. That is your free will of choice which will always be honored.

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    Default Re: Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    White Wizard, we can only save ourselves. Let's keep learning all we can about ascension(I have read alot about it and believe it's a possibility) and keep our minds open to all possibilities. Depending on how soon mass arrests happen, if they even happen, we can wake up a higher percentage of people. Right now, around 4% are awake and interested in ascending. I can see this percentage being much higher if Drake's prediction of mass arrests in June manifests.

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    hmm i just hope somthing wil help us to change.i dont belive, i belived 3 years and only bad things hapened so il let time and great spirit chose our path and me(you) just lets try be good whit each oathers and im gona keep spaming this :D this video inspire me so i hope wil inspire u too

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    Default Re: Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    I think it will be an extraordinary day, but only in the sense that it is already. It is much anticipated. I reckon if you speak to anyone in the Western world regarding this date, they will know about all the hype regarding that date. It's not just another 'end of the world' day, like we have seen predicted so many times before.

    How do I see it from a practical point of view? Well, to be honest I have to say there'll be a marked increase in suicides on that day compared to any other. And because it is so well known, 'end of the world' parties will abound. Hell, I received an invite to one on my facebook (yeeeee, I use facebook) 2 years ago. 218 people are 'attending'. It is significant for the sake of being significant.

    How do I see it from a more spiritual point of view? It is necessary to make milestones as humans. We need to look forward and anticipate things in order to stop ourselves becoming depressed and just existing. Regardless of whether anything remotely esoteric happens on that day, which I dont think it will, it will be all uphill for the alternative media community. Sure, many will become disillusioned at the apparent lack of ascension, and go back to sleep perhaps. But, really, this is a milestone we have created. We created it for ourselves, and so we will create what happens thereafter ourselves. If nothing else, from that day on, a weight will be lifted - once we definitively stop wondering if someone is going to save us, our minds will race as to how we're gonna go about doing this ourselves, and it will happen.

    December 21st 2012 marks the beginning of the rest of our lives. That's all.
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    Thanks for this vid, White Wizard.

    Bashar rocks! His ability to explain challenging topics with a sense of humor, allows even the novice seekers to awaken.


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    I think this is an interview that is very much worth listening to. It's by Preston Nichols of Montauk Fame, also he is an incarnated Pleiadian, and has even been on Pleiadian Ship, to one of their planets, has tons of books. Is currently doing studies with Torsion Fields and offers his direct phone number at the end for anyone that wants to get involved and volunteer with this highly respected man, he has really done time travel, communicated with time travelers and has some very interesting things to say about time, our near future, and distant future well into 6,000+ AD. He points out that while he is confident that the world is NOT going to end this year, he also refuses to make any predictions because of the very nature of time it's self. And, how no one knows for sure what is or isn't coming, because of the very nature of Time it's self.



    How ever, I still think we are going to experience the Upliftment/Transition/Dimensional Shift. To 4D/5D as that is not only supported by Multiple Contactees but also Scientist Susan Joy Rennison and some other heavy hitting researchers out there.
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    Quote Posted by Andreash94 (here)
    hmm i just hope somthing wil help us to change.i dont belive, i belived 3 years and only bad things hapened so il let time and great spirit chose our path and me(you) just lets try be good whit each oathers and im gona keep spaming this :D this video inspire me so i hope wil inspire u too
    Hello, Andreash94 ,

    I'm in agreement with the overall message. The part I don't agree with is the physical fighting. Rather, lets put right to what is unfair or unjust through exchange of ideas, solutions and actions steps. Thanks for the vid.

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    Quote Posted by Araxes (here)
    December 21st 2012 marks the beginning of the rest of our lives. That's all.
    The change is already happening. It is just amazing if you sit back and look

    at things from a back seat it is impossible to not see it. Look at the amount

    of information coming out know compared to four years ago. It is even more

    curious how it has found its way into mainstream t.v. shows. The thing

    that blows my mind the most is how fast time is speeding up. I can barely

    keep track of it.

    knowledge is key to wisdom as is in keeping an open mind is essential for opening new doors

    you once kept closed .

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    Default Re: Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    Wizard I think we have to agree that humanity CAN reach its highest potential, yet as we're all aware there are dilemas: will enough people make the decisions that will lead to that outcome? That's what we have to work toward, no matter how dark it gets, otherwise (as you said) what purpose are we engaging in?!

    So the potential is there.
    The problems are there.
    The work is there.

    "Lets do the work," as MV Summers says. "You can't have assurances of the outcome at the outset, before doing the work. In truth, there are no assurances. You give your life to service without requiring assurances of success."
    (paraphrase)

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    Quote Posted by white wizard (here)
    The thing

    that blows my mind the most is how fast time is speeding up. I can barely

    keep track of it.
    Yeah. I'm not sure a fan of this. We're always told oh well, time speeds up as you get older... was this always the case? I mean, I don't think I'm that old... and yet time is going ridiculously fast? If it carries on at this rate, by the time I'm 50, it feels like I won't have time to blink before I miss everything.

    To anyone... when you were 21, did you feel like time was going too fast?

    Maybe something has to give then? Or maybe I'm just bored? People say time flies when you're having fun. Well which is it? Surely you have less fun as you get older - we have more fun as kids. This year has probably been one of the most 'fun' of my life, but yet, I am struggling to come to terms with how fast it seems to have gone.

    I am really, really, really, really, really, really really, really... just baffled I guess.

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    Quote Posted by emeraldcity (here)
    Wizard I think we have to agree that humanity CAN reach its highest potential, yet as we're all aware there are dilemas: will enough people make the decisions that will lead to that outcome? That's what we have to work toward, no matter how dark it gets, otherwise (as you said) what purpose are we engaging in?!

    So the potential is there.
    The problems are there.
    The work is there.

    "Lets do the work," as MV Summers says. "You can't have assurances of the outcome at the outset, before doing the work. In truth, there are no assurances. You give your life to service without requiring assurances of success."
    (paraphrase)
    If you listen to what Bashar is saying in the second video White Wizard posted, there is only one element making the decision that will lead to your desired outcome. That element is YOU! Work toward the future you desire and that will be the one you experience. It can be a mind bender if you try to over think the process. Apply the literal interpretation and accept your rightful function as co-creator.

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    It will be so awesome, I just know it. I "know" it in my heart.
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    Quote Posted by StarSeed (here)
    It will be so awesome, I just know it. I "know" it in my heart.
    It's the best kind of "knowing" there is!

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    Quote Posted by StarDust (here)

    It's the best kind of "knowing" there is!
    Sure is! Hasn't never failed me.
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    Let's hope your intuition works! Did you read David Wilcock's recent articles? This kind of stuff was never discussed even 5 years ago! I really hope what we are seeing is only the tip of the iceberg and that big changes begin this fall, leading up to a winter ascension as one lightworker predicts.

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    This is part of the "IdeA" of what Bashar speaks: Wilcock, Drake, and now Clif High, and with all respect, Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy.

    I count just 5 "interpretations".

    Ask 100 people, or 1,000 people - a million - you will get just as many different although similar & opposing variations of the same ONE thing all 100 % correct ... for the person making that prediction.

    Make your own version of it, in the NOW and ACT along that general direction. Cease doing more of the things that are no longer representative of you, and do MORE of the things that ARE - with integrity - in an integrated way.

    It starts with your thoughts (visualise, daydream pretend), how you phrase things, your WORDS, then move,... ACT in that direction... to the best of your ability.

    It is a SIMPLE thing
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    Default Re: Lets get the facts straight regarding 2012 and what's really gonna happen

    We couldn't resist posting to this thread...

    We live in D.C., know insiders...blah blah blah. Here's the skinny:

    The global economy will continue piling up debt...through this fall. No mass arrests until AFTER the economy destabilizes via price hikes (groceries, gas, etc..), AFTER the markets collapse. Fellow blokes are gearing up for ops - calling it the 'October Surprise', involving more than one three letter agency in a coordinated effort on the INTELLIGENCE front. The release of information is what will prompt arrests...not the freedom movement.

    ETs will step up to the plate full force after the October Surprise transpires, and their actions will become more overt towards the end of the year.

    It's all a done deal in terms of solidifying a positive timeline for humanity by the end of THIS YEAR.

    We win.



    Bill Ryan seems to have the most accurate 'big picture' from amongst the public figures (albeit with a negative slant as far as the outcome is concerned) of what is about to go down, not counting Inelia Benz...probably because Bill uses this forum as a think tank; whereas, the other public figures depend on insiders and each other more and 'average blokes like us' less (e.g., circular reporting). Bill is a smart cookie...so is Inelia. Inelia can 'see things as they are' with truly extraordinary clarity, which confirms her story about coming directly from Source. She possesses an unadulterated vision of how to move forward through this transition. The author of this post has a personal fondness for Inelia because she reminds the author of his stepmother, who envisioned the outcome of humanity over 20 years ago. Psychics would always say she had the highest vibration of anyone they had come across...she will likely return to Source after this incarnation (as will Inelia in 2017).

    Perhaps Bill's conclusion about the future being of a more negative slant (correct me if I'm wrong...) is due to his holistic analysis of content in the forum...forum posts are largely a reflection of mind more than heart, so a negative future vision based on forum posts would be an accurate conclusion to draw from the content under consideration.

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    Regarding the mass resignations, that is largely a result of people realizing the good times are over, and most of them are dumping the mess onto someone else's shoulders. Some of them are legitimate concerns over arrest, but most are high level folks seeing the writing on the wall as far as the economic collapse is concerned, and are signing off to prepare their own families for the transition, out of the public eye.
    Last edited by kk4aei; 14th May 2012 at 00:42.

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