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    Default Re: Jesus the man / JESUS the Archon – inspired by Houman’s Horus-Ra thread

    Batten down the hatches. The persecuted Christian Program has been intiated.

    The guilt lever is in the up position.

    and no it doesn't do any good to explain that no one called Jesus a virus and methadone.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Batten down the hatches. The persecuted Christian Program has been intiated.

    The guilt lever is in the up position.

    and no it doesn't do any good to explain that no one called Jesus a virus and methadone.

    NWO will initiate the persecution program

    and as there were no Christians left after the Soviet revolution

    there will only be cells of Christians left in the world


    i don't whine about it as i know the Word of God will be fulfilled

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    Default Re: Jesus the man / JESUS the Archon – inspired by Houman’s Horus-Ra thread

    There hasn't been any Christians since about 50 years after Jesus' death.

    The word of some god has already been fulfilled.

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    sure whatever you say

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    It's not what I say, it's just evidential.

    Excuse me for looking at the evidence.

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    There are no christians, have never been, will never be. The idea

    of being a christian is not even an illusion. its wots called Maya,

    ie christians never existed in the first place

    . The idea of being a christian is just

    putting a label on oneself believing that the label will will change

    the content of that being labelled. This is just humans who have

    turned themselves into people by installinig a program of wishful

    thinking calling them selves christian, sacrifying their humanity for

    something not even existing.

    Still we discuss these matters as if we are discussing something real. LOL

    Just sayin........


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    The world's troubles are caused by the lust for power, desire to control others to suit ourselves; sometimes it hides behind beliefs, sometimes it doesn't, but this is what really separates us from God...unless one doesn't believe in God, which is another type of belief


    The lust for power is based in fear. That fear was promoted by a thought, an idea or a belief. It all comes from the same place. Beliefs cause a lot of inner circumstances that people have to react to. Fear is not a naturally occurring state. I'd imagine a number of people in this thread could relate how they confronted their fears, overcome then and had a more natural expression of who they really are, understanding that the fear was based ONLY a belief of something.

    A lust for power stems from the belief that one is powerless. Greed stems from a belief in lack.

    One's self identity gets caught in the belief so if the belief is challenged they feel like they are challenged. We actually do the fighting on the behalf of archonic forces much the same way that we have to do the fighting on the behalf of other parastical energies like our government.

    Once one separates from a need to believe and flips over into a state of knowingness conflict evaporates with it.

    Believing in god is one thing.

    Knowing god and having god express through you is another.



    What Jorr says about Christianity not being real delves much deeper beneath the surface.

    It is based not on a personal Jesus but a concept of following anointed ones who could be anyone, including the queen of England. During the course of Jesus' historical lifetime and perhaps shortly afterwards there were those who attempted to emulate him, followed him, and they could reasonably be referred to as Christians. But it was something they were doing, not who they were. They are so attached to the label and the belief there is no possible way they could even hope to achieve what Jesus spoke of.

    Jesus is more often found speaking comparisons and parables and not making personal assignments to the things he was attempting to convey. This is detachment from belief. He is demonstrating something.

    When this means of teaching something that no language exists for is suddenly interrupted by a personal identification marker "I am the way" one understands that the language of archonic energy has been applied. Because he was archonically influenced or because those who corrupted his teachings were? Who knows.

    It doesn't matter because the archon always leaves evidence, and the evidence is the belief and the language used to implant that belief.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

    What Jorr says about Christianity not being real delves much deeper beneath the surface.

    It is based not on a personal Jesus but a concept of following anointed ones who could be anyone, including the queen of England. During the course of Jesus' historical lifetime and perhaps shortly afterwards there were those who attempted to emulate him, followed him, and they could reasonably be referred to as Christians. But it was something they were doing, not who they were. They are so attached to the label and the belief there is no possible way they could even hope to achieve what Jesus spoke of.

    Jesus is more often found speaking comparisons and parables and not making personal assignments to the things he was attempting to convey. This is detachment from belief. He is demonstrating something.

    When this means of teaching something that no language exists for is suddenly interrupted by a personal identification marker "I am the way" one understands that the language of archonic energy has been applied. Because he was archonically influenced or because those who corrupted his teachings were? Who knows.

    It doesn't matter because the archon always leaves evidence, and the evidence is the belief and the language used to implant that belief.
    Thats really good. He was teaching a way of thinking, or using the mind, not a different belief system. Too much Paul in the dogma and the perception of the message.
    He didn't deify himself, Paul did.
    He dropped the seed, watered it a little, and left it to germinate. A little of it fell on fertile ground, the rest is just weeds. The principles certainly are coming around to fruition.
    "As a man thinks, so it is with him".

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    it is always Jesus who comes through to those who have been victims of demonic oppression
    Oftentimes yes (Russ Dizard, etc...) but not always (one example would be Dr Malanga's SIMBAD technique which "appears" to be based on a "communication" with the "soul component")...

    In Dr Turner's research there are also many examples where these entities appear as Jesus or the Virgin Mary to manipulate the abductees and/or "calling his name" (as Christians do) doesn't appear to be effective (Ted Rice story)...

    See also http://janetkatherinesmith.blogspot....y-part-ii.html

    "Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."
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    Quote Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
    There are no christians, have never been, will never be. The idea

    of being a christian is not even an illusion. its wots called Maya,

    ie christians never existed in the first place

    . The idea of being a christian is just

    putting a label on oneself believing that the label will will change

    the content of that being labelled...


    for all political practical purposes race and religion matters

    and people are not usually persecuted for being human

    but because of race or religion

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    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    "Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."
    sure shape shifters can simulate Jesus

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    Is that where you learned Redezra?

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    The Gnostics warned humans for the Archons and for the christian

    hordes growing in Egypt and the Levantes. They knew the christian

    view contained some insane concepts. Believing oneself to be a

    christian means accepting to be a tool for the Archontic forces.

    Ask the few survivors of indigenous tribes around the world wot

    christianity is all about. Killing millions in the name of the

    Demiurge, yet those supporting these perpetrators cant see the

    obvious fact that this religion has nothing wotsoever to do with

    loving, accepting, supporting being human. Believing in something

    wotsoever, cant ever give any satisfaction and cant ever accept

    anyone being a non-believer. Accepting diversity in views are found

    on a totally different level.

    Anyone who want be fistf"""""d by the Archons of course are free

    to enjoy that, just dont try to convince sane humans that its

    something else taking place.


    All is well


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    Well up till now I've had the sense to avoid this thread, as debating issues of faith never accomplishes anything (in my experience), but while I was researching Newton's Journey of Souls for a different thread, I came upon a perhaps relevant portion of his views here:

    Quote The concept of personalized spiritual beings goes far back in antiquity to our
    earliest origins as thinking human beings. Anthropological studies at the sites of
    prehistoric people suggest their totemic symbols evoked individual protection.
    Later, some 5,000 years ago as city-states arose, official deities became identified
    with state religions. These gods were more remote and even generated fear. Thus,
    personal and family deities assumed great importance in the day-to-day life of
    people for protection. A personal soul deity served as a guardian angel to each
    person or family, and could be called upon for divine help during a crisis. This
    tradition has been carried down into our cultures of today.
    We have two examples at opposite ends of the United States. Aumakua is a personal
    god to Hawaiians. The Polynesians believe one's ancestors can assume a personal
    god relationship (as humans, animals, or fish) to living family members. In visions
    and dreams, Aumakua can either assist or reprimand an individual. In northeastern
    America, the Iroquois believe a human's own inner spiritual power is called Orenda,
    which is connected to a higher personal Orenda spirit. This guardian is able to resist
    the powers of harm and evil directed at an individual. The concept of soul watchers
    who function as guides is part of the belief system of many Native American
    cultures. The Zuni tribes of the Southwest have oral traditions in their mythology of
    god-like beings with personal existences. They are called "the makers and holders of
    life paths" and are considered the caretakers of souls. There are other cultures
    around the world which also believe someone other than God is watching over them
    to personally intercede on their behalf. I think human beings have always needed
    anthropomorphic figures below a supreme God to portray the spiritual forces
    around them. When people pray or meditate, they want to reach out to an entity
    with whom they are acquainted for inspiration. It is easier to ask for aid from a
    figure which can be clearly identified in the human mind.
    There is a lack of imagery
    with a supreme God which hinders a direct connection for many people. Regardless
    of our diverse religious preferences and degrees of faith, people also feel if there is a
    supreme God, this divinity is too busy to bother about their individual problems.
    People often express an unworthiness for a direct association with God. As a result,
    the world's major religions have used prophets who once lived on Earth to serve as
    our intermediaries with God.

    Possibly because some of these prophets have been elevated to divine status
    themselves, they are not personal enough anymore. I say this without diminishing
    the vital spiritual influence all the great prophets have had on their followers.
    Millions of people derive benefit from the teachings of these powerful souls who
    incarnated on Earth as prophets in our historical past. And yet, people know in
    their hearts-as they have always known-that someone, some personal entity
    individual to them-is there, waiting to be reached.
    I have the theory that guides appear to people who are very religious as figures of
    their faith.
    There was a case on a national television show where the child of a
    devout Christian family suffered a near-death experience and said she saw Jesus.
    When asked to draw with crayons what she saw, the little girl drew a featureless
    blue man standing within a halo of light.
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    Whereas it is perfectly logical to admire and desire to emulate a man who had the insight into the sorts of things that you have mentioned Jorr--assuming those traits are something that a person wants demonstrated in their own life--rather than just something for a talking head to keep babbling out.

    But then people get an attachment to an 'IDEAL' in their head and entirely miss the point and go wandering off into the duality of the person-Christianity--everything that Jesus warned against THEN.

    Keep the baby throw out the bath water.

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    Then people keep on asking around why the world is in this

    f""""""d up state, when its so damn obvious the answer is closer

    than close. Keep on trying white out on the mirror so we dont

    have to see wots mirrored or even worse to experience the

    embaressing knowing wots going on behind the mirrors and

    the mirrored. Gosh.....................


    All is well


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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)


    what can i say

    it is always Jesus who comes through to those who have been victims of demonic oppression

    and still you don't get it


    but call Jesus virus and methadone

    what can i say


    i am ashamed
    It is a high likelihood that enlightened human beings who overcame the archontic influences existed before Jesus so if that possibility is true, they did not need the Jesus you describe - the Jesus required for an individual's salvation (or perhaps a better word would be - enlightenment).

    It is also true that folks are overcoming archontic influence through the works of Dr. Malanga who has dealt with this phenomena for 40 years. There is zero involvement of any individual beings (savior types) from the past nor the present day in his therapeutic approach, yet he has achieved many successes.

    That your view of what Jesus was (and may be today) is the only way one can achieve freedom of the soul is to me, limiting. It is by and through limits that the archontic forces (which are non physical at their higher levels) are still able to get one over on physical human beings who are unlimited spirit created in the likeness of the Creator.
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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    sure whatever you say
    Dear RedeZra

    I have a challenge for you – consider embarking on a contemplative read of Serpia’s excellent presentation of enlightenment and how one might achieve this through her recommended practical steps.

    Try this with an open heart and an open mind

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ractical-steps

    What you may find is that much of the content handed to us that has purportedly come from Jesus, may in fact contain deeper, mystical meanings which you might discover.

    And in that process you might be able to detach from the limited view where the only truth is the literal truth or that the only truth has to include the being known to you as Jesus Christ in only the way you know him.

    Eventually you may also discover that it’s ok to allow folks to have their views and have their discussion threads without having to interject comments such that the only truth is the literal truth nor would you need to include what you call testimonies of others who also share the same limited, literal only level of interpretation as the only and absolute truth.

    In fact, you might discover that your obsession with your view may very well be co-piloted by the very archontic forces from which your Savior is supposed to save you from upon your death.

    Why wait for death when you can achieve liberation now and enter paradise now?

    Just consider the recommendation.

    justone
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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

    When this means of teaching something that no language exists for is suddenly interrupted by a personal identification marker "I am the way" one understands that the language of archonic energy has been applied. Because he was archonically influenced or because those who corrupted his teachings were? Who knows.

    It doesn't matter because the archon always leaves evidence, and the evidence is the belief and the language used to implant that belief.
    Bammo - finally someone was able to express what I could not find the words for.

    Let me try ...

    We don't know if Jesus himself was archontically influenced or if those who corrupted his teachings were archontically influenced and it doesn't matter which may be true because we can see archontically influenced idiocy when we read silly stuff like "I am the Way."

    Thank you, 9eagle9

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    it is always Jesus who comes through to those who have been victims of demonic oppression
    Oftentimes yes (Russ Dizard, etc...) but not always (one example would be Dr Malanga's SIMBAD technique which "appears" to be based on a "communication" with the "soul component")...

    In Dr Turner's research there are also many examples where these entities appear as Jesus or the Virgin Mary to manipulate the abductees and/or "calling his name" (as Christians do) doesn't appear to be effective (Ted Rice story)...

    See also http://janetkatherinesmith.blogspot....y-part-ii.html

    "Due to the regression of others, Ted also learned that 'aliens' can simulate Jesus Christ or other religious figures."
    Thanks Houman... I couldn't feel satisfied with just hitting the Thanks Button because your Horus-Ra thread has been so helpful for me personally. If I ever see ya in the world you better run because I wanna give you a great big hug! justonesoul on the path of freedom

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