Economic alert.....from the Oathkeepers.

[spiritguide]

The link below will take you to a lenghtly article on why you should be alert at this moment and what you can do to help yourself to weather the coming storm. If you can they advise to have three months food and supplies stored and you should be doing so now. Long article but worth reading and copying. IMHO

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/05/...you-should-be/

Read and heed for your welfare. This article is not for fear it is sound advice for the short term future.

[corson]

spiritguide, thank you very much. that is the best article that i have read regarding the downfall of the republic. be aware, be prepared.
regards, corson

[GoodeTXSG]

Yea, I got that email today too... lots to ponder on.

[DreamsInDigital]

yeah, but seriously what about the ones that don't have the storage or money capacity for 3 months of supplies?

[corson]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
yeah, but seriously what about the ones that don't have the storage or money capacity for 3 months of supplies?

this is where knowing your neighbors well or getting closer to other family members can help. develop an inner sanctum, a place or other people that you can go to when in need.
regards, corson

[meeradas]

Am completely on my own.
No storage space, etc.
Only a month's wages worth in papermoney.
Big city. No driver's license.
Guess i'll be "goin' down with the ship".

Promise me not to become cannibals, like last time.

[sygh]

Posted by corson (here)
spiritguide, thank you very much. that is the best article that i have read regarding the downfall of the republic. be aware, be prepared.
regards, corson

I just love you, corson, and your avatar. Want to hear some good news along the same lines? Take a gander at this:

http://rt.com/usa/news/ndaa-judge-bl...detention-437/

[DreamsInDigital]

Posted by corson (here)

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
yeah, but seriously what about the ones that don't have the storage or money capacity for 3 months of supplies?

this is where knowing your neighbors well or getting closer to other family members can help. develop an inner sanctum, a place or other people that you can go to when in need.
regards, corson

That's really a great idea, and suggestion. But, as far as these community projects and getting involved with neighbors specially in California just isn't something that really goes over well. I mean thankfully neighbors on both sides of us are growing fruit trees, and we have citrus and avocado trees. But, nothing's growing right now aside from Lemons. I'll keep my fingers crossed , do my best and hope among other things that the Militias will be smart enough to protect the important resources.

Corson is awesomeness on a major scale.

[sygh]

Posted by meeradas (here)
Am completely on my own.
No storage space, etc.
Only a month's wages worth in papermoney.
Big city. No driver's license.
Guess i'll be "goin' down with the ship".

Promise me not to become cannibals, like last time.

Get rice, water and beans, canned fruit and veggies, olive oil, sugar, flour or bisquick, salt, soap, candles, TP. You'll be cool. You can also get with your neighbors. Just gather them and tell 'em better safe than sorry. Minimum... rice, beans, water soap and TP.

[Selene]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
yeah, but seriously what about the ones that don't have the storage or money capacity for 3 months of supplies?

This is an excellent question, DID. One that reaches to the very core of the issue, so please forgive me for using it as a springboard to say more.

A bazillion forums on the net have been patiently explaining strategies for prepping for at least ten years now – and your question is definitely a FAQ. (Short answer: Stash what you use and use what you stash. Every bit helps and don’t let the perfect become the enemy of the ‘pretty good’ Need one? Buy two. Buy on sale. Plan ahead. Build as you go..)

Perhaps there should be a FAQ’s for this. (Any volunteers here? A compilation of “best of…” clips? Links needed here. Or new thread?)

But, of course, this and other issues will continue to come up as people continue to awaken to the reality that the future is not …. without its challenges. And any preparation is better than none. We may end up in a Better Place, but nobody (except….umm…) says it will be a free ride in a galactic limo from here onward, ascending (sorry, couldn’t resist!) to pure bliss utterly painlessly. Human history, regrettably, teaches us otherwise.

I’ve personally been assembling a stash of food, seeds and other supplies bit by bit over the last three years. We’re now good for about six months with a bit extra for others in need, in a surprisingly compact space. I have a library of ‘how to’ books, bought used off Amazon. I’ve commandeered an old metal filing cabinet and outfitted it for our electronics against an EMP; given hand-cranked shortwave radios and tesla-type flashlights to family members as Christmas gifts [they don’t really get it, but maybe….]

In short, I’ve been prepping as I go, as I can afford it, as I find stuff on sale.

But I am building an “insurance” bulwark against possible shutdown – from any cause. Pick a threat: weather, EMP, power grid, earthquake, civil disruption… anything can disrupt your food supply chain within hours. FACT: The average urban area – yours included - contains only a three day supply of food within it. Warehouses, trucks and grocery stores included. Three barking days, and a panicked population. How many days are in your pantry right now? Everyone imagines they’ll be the only “smart” person at the grocery store stocking up when the SHTF – but what actually happens? Stripped shelves. Gas stations closed. Shutdown of checkout terminals. Looting and panic. Every time.

This isn’t “fear porn.” It’s data.

And believe me, no one will be happier than I will be to discover that all this stuff was totally unnecessary, like paying my fire or auto insurance premiums.

But I’ll keep my insurance, thank you.

In short: good question. You’ve just begun a really useful line of inquiry.

You. Can. Do. This.

And it’s not, exactly, the dumbest thing you could do, all things considered.

Cheers and best wishes,

Selene

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by corson (here)

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
yeah, but seriously what about the ones that don't have the storage or money capacity for 3 months of supplies?

this is where knowing your neighbors well or getting closer to other family members can help. develop an inner sanctum, a place or other people that you can go to when in need.
regards, corson

For those of us who've moved 300 miles or more just to get away from our relatives this whole scenario isn't looking too good. I'm sure if push came to shove I'd try talking to the people at my apartment complex. But I'd rather starve than ask for anything from my so-called "family."

What I really worry about is what will happen to people who have medical conditions like diabetes and need regular shots? Food safety is one thing but anyone who needs any kind of medication might as well shoot themselves now if it's going to be as bad as they make it out to be. This is why people like Drake gain traction, because in the absence of any organization, when faced with the possibility of total economic collapse nobody wants to imagine the horror that they will be faced with if they're left to themselves.

[sygh]

Sorry about so many posts but just remembered something... recently, I saw a gathering of local police at a neighbor's home... for some reason, it felt like the perfect time to ask them if our town had set up any plans for doing business, should we experience an economic collapse. They said either no, or they had no idea but to speak with the Mayor and Town Manager. I haven't had the chance yet but will be going there some time this week.

OK, heres an admission... when speaking with the police, my throat was tight -and it felt very awkward to be speaking of these things to authorities, as if that gave it more of a reality but recently - it seems the elephant under the carpet has been extremely restless -and it simply was a must do. Planning ahead never hurt anyone and it won't hurt a city.

Not far from here (Southport, NC) is Pittsboro. They have planned and happen to have their own currency called... the Plenty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLENTY_(currency)

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by meeradas (here)
Am completely on my own.
No storage space, etc.
Only a month's wages worth in papermoney.
Big city. No driver's license.
Guess i'll be "goin' down with the ship".

Promise me not to become cannibals, like last time.

Seeds for fast-growing "greens" are a smart buy if you have only a little bit of money. You can "container" garden anywhere there is sun, and you can "vertical garden" where there is little space. A huge bag of lentils, a huge bag of brown rice, bouillon cubes, some dried onions... all cheap and a good basis for soup (and you can add other things if you or a neighbor have anything to add to the pot.)

Buy at least a few extra cans of high quality canned goods (Eden Foods comes in BPA-free cans) each time you shop, and your pile will grow. As far as storage space, I would guess you could jam a year's worth of food in a "broom closet."

See if there are any neighborhood gardens or maybe something within bicycle distance, where you could join forces with someone that maybe has a few more dollars right now (for supplies) and you could provide a little more muscle, TLC, and weeding. Don't wait on this idea, you'll need to make some gardening/gardener connections ASAP. I think a garden, and food preservation, are going to be key elements. Only 75 to 100 years ago, most people had enough food stored to make it through the winter and on until the early spring crops came in. Right now, packets of organic seeds are about $3 max, and will grow maybe $100 worth of food. Those packets of seeds are going to get really valuable - a smart move for bartering.

I promise not to become a cannibal. I will never find out if human "tastes like chicken."

Dennis

[the_vast_mystery]

Oh please, we already know the answer to this: Humans taste like pork, it's where the slang "long-pig" for cannibalism derives from. ;p

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
Oh please, we already know the answer to this: Humans taste like pork, it's where the slang "long-pig" for cannibalism derives from. ;p

Yoikes!I forgot I had ever heard that term! Pass the lentil soup, please! No grokking for me. :~)

Dennis

[white wizard]

Hmmmm some weird things have happened to me in my life recently. I am a

firm believer that my guides push me to do things in my life that guide me

through situations. In the last two months I have been pushed to buy things

that would assist me in times of trouble. Some of the things that I bought

my guides shunned me away from before and then and no matter what

I did I would always be pushed away from buying them. Last week I literally

had the dream I was to get a certain item for protection and that day it

manifested itself into my life and came to me. I do not know why I turned

into a prepper the last month, but I do know it is my guides pushing me to do

so.

[DouglasDanger]

Also know what you can eat that grows naturally in your enviroment, dandi lions aren't to tasty but they do grow quickly and plentyfull on my lawn. there's lots of other greenery that most people see as eye sores right now but can and will make a meal..

[Selene]

Posted by DouglasDanger (here)
Also know what you can eat that grows naturally in your environment, dandi lions aren't to tasty but they do grow quickly and plentiful on my lawn. there's lots of other greenery that most people see as eye sores right now but can and will make a meal..

Yes. Assuming, of course, that a shutdown happens in the early spring in your region, when dandelions are in season.

Otherwise, you need to ask: What about six months of winter without power before your garden begins to grow?

Regards,

Selene

[schneider]

I personally think the dollar will get stronger when the euro collapses which makes all commodities go down including gold and silver and oil. The US dollar is actually a federal reserve note that is a global currency backed by gold. It is best to stay diversified- gold, silver, paper money and other things you can barter.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Selene (here)
... winter without power...

Modern home (gas furnace, no fireplace or chimney) in one of the harsher winter areas of the US (northern Minnesota) has got me thinking about whether it would even be possible to stay in my home over winter. A couple of small (20#) tanks of propane would fire up a grill all winter to cook (outside), but the cost of natural gas to heat a home in a cold climate could be astronomical. I can't afford to retrofit a wood-burning stove into the house - and besides, my wife won't believe it is a good idea until too late. I don't have a good answer for that one.

Dennis