Economic alert.....from the Oathkeepers.

[Selene]

If I may, friends, I think we should perhaps make it clear that I – and I’m sure many others here – are not responding to eileenrose’s comments in order to single them out, but because these comments represent a common and popular response to prepping: denial and rejection.

Her response is representative of the reactions of many, many others. So they serve as a springboard for discussion here. And I thank her for expressing these views; they are helpful. But debate at this level is probably pointless. Those who have ears to hear, will…

Everyone here, at the end of the day, will make their own personal determination about how to respond to their perceived environment. That includes ‘no response’, ‘I’d rather be dead’, or ‘I’ve got a better idea…’ To each his own.

And in the larger picture, that is the only way it ought to work; we each contribute to the whole in our own way. There should not be any ‘one size fits all’ response to perceived situations. The human species is best served by widely varying and diverse strategies for going forward. This is the best means of ensuring that some of us, at the end of the day, will carry civilization onward by whatever means.

So I respect eileenrose’s representative point of view as an informed response of some kind, on whatever terms.

But I will also choose my own path, as must we all.

I value highly the practical tips being put forward here. If creating a culture of preparation does nothing more than preserve these traditional skills going forward beyond our own lifetimes, we will perhaps have done our job for those yet to come and times yet undetermined.

Cheers,

Selene

[eileenrose]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by eileenrose (here)
So what if we don't? take precautions, save water and material items and so forth. What is the worse that can happen? I am just tired of hearing the fear mongering and have taken a siesta from it myself. It has been five years of this (for me). ...announcements of impending doom.

It is almost as if some individuals aspire for something negative to happen and when it doesn't happen, they start looking for more negative news (to feel that feeling again....of inadequacy or something...) just to get a fix.

I feel reality is tons more complicated and there are no easy solutions.

Just being here and present with what is happening in my life right now is the only demand I put on myself (the new symptoms of a heart condition are helping with this....yes...even dis-ease is more interesting to me that more 'end of the world' talk now).

When I lived on the coast in the southeast US (Charleston, SC), there were several days worth of advance notice of hurricanes, and all the while watching them to see if they would "make land." We prepared. It was not doom and gloom, it was simply preparation for what we saw coming. We knew (or at least we fully assumed) we would live through it, but knew we needed to be smart enough to prepare as best we could.

The international bankers have been very naughty, selling worthless paper over and over and over making hundreds of trillions in debt pile up. There are a number of economic factors that make it obvious that there is an economic hurricane coming at us. It will "hit land" (our economy, and the world economy), and NOT preparing is not a good idea. This economic hurricane will hit whether we are prepared or not. It is our "good fortune" to have a bit of time to prepare. It can be done with joy (like prepping for a camping trip.)

I do understand what you're talking about, and I try not to let it overwhelm me (and try to make sure I don't overwhelm my loved ones when I talk about this stuff.) But disengaging from the overwhelming emotion must not prevent us from getting prepared. Being proactive is satisfying. Read Selene's posts above, and see if you can feel the emotion she is experiencing. Her words have a smart, proactive, calm feeling to me.

Dennis

Hi Dennis,
If you feel you need to do any activity, then trust your gut.

I wasn't talking about specific actions.
I was referring to something else....people using this crisis as a way to keep their fear state activated.

As anyone who has lived in fear knows, you arn't objective.

The best people in a crisis arn't the one's with a year of store goods (though sometimes), it is the people who arn't afraid....
as they just help others without fearing for themselves.

This will be the one skill set to have....being unafraid.

Which has little to zero to do with storing food....again, not saying to not store food or find out what to do in an emergency.

But, if an emergency comes, often it is unknown what the solution to it is.
Again, it helps to keep your wits about you and not be scared easily.

And there are few to zero classes to help your mental state.

And I have an additional comment, this isn't going to happen. One huge, in one moment, end of the world. That is just propaganda.

No, they are much meaner than that...the people making us poor. No, it will be little by little they kill us off. That is what my intuition says (anyway). But I don't have any
facts....just guidance...that we will be killed by our own fear.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by eileenrose (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by eileenrose (here)
So what if we don't? take precautions, save water and material items and so forth. What is the worse that can happen?
...

When I lived on the coast in the southeast US (Charleston, SC), there were several days worth of advance notice of hurricanes, and all the while watching them to see if they would "make land." We prepared. It was not doom and gloom, it was simply preparation for what we saw coming. ...

Hi Dennis,
If you feel you need to do any activity, then trust your gut.

I wasn't talking about specific actions.
I was referring to something else....people using this crisis as a way to keep their fear state activated.

As anyone who has lived in fear knows, you arn't objective.

The best people in a crisis arn't the one's with a year of store goods (though sometimes), it is the people who arn't afraid....
as they just help others without fearing for themselves.

This will be the one skill set to have....being unafraid.

Which has little to zero to do with storing food....again, not saying to not store food or find out what to do in an emergency.

But, if an emergency comes, often it is unknown what the solution to it is.
Again, it helps to keep your wits about you and not be scared easily.

And there are few to zero classes to help your mental state.

And I have an additional comment, this isn't going to happen. One huge, in one moment, end of the world. That is just propaganda.

No, they are much meaner than that...the people making us poor. No, it will be little by little they kill us off. That is what my intuition says (anyway). But I don't have any
facts....just guidance...that we will be killed by our own fear.

I see both a "slow burn" and an upcoming "forest fire." Two different scenarios that both need to be dealt with individually. These two scenarios have in common: greed and oppression based (at their end), and that fear will hinder the outcome (at our end.)

The 'slow burn' is the daily, insidious stuff done to humanity. The chemtrails, fluoride, GMOs, pollutants in air water and soil, soil loss, soil sterilization, vaccines, deliberate poor education, debt money, foreclosure, them buying rights to aquifers, pharmaceuticals and herbal suppression, etc. etc. etc.

The upcoming 'forest fire' is a deliberate financial shakedown, similar to what the bankers did in the US in 1929 - only this time it is exponentially bigger and will be worldwide. That slow burn, insidious debt money and the ever-increasing "national debt" has always been a problem... but the "eventually" that we kept saying would happen "someday" (the debt spirialing to a point where it becomes impossible to pay back) is here. Surprisingly, that isn't the forest fire. Recognizing that most people would drop into a trance state when highfalutin economic jargon words are strung together in sentences and delivered dispassionately and in monotone, the international bankers have developed a way to do whatever they want financially, knowing we will be confused and will shut down our brains. Not satisfied with skimming the greed-based debt money, they came up with derivatives. It is a fancy way to bundle debts (which, bizarrely, have become a traded "commodity" or "financial instrument") and hide the origins and most of the particulars. I'll bet that most traders that have traded derivatives do not know precisely what they traded. But trade they did. Over and over and over again, starting from known bad "paper"/debt bundles and creating more debt (and profit for them) with each trade. The US national debt is around $15 trillion. The debt from trading derivatives is somewhere between $250 trillion and $1.4 quadrillion dollars. The figure $700 Trillion is the most frequently used number, lately. So, you can see that if the US national debt reached its crisis state at $15 trillion, that a debt "bomb" forty-six times bigger, hanging over our heads, a "bubble" about to burst, is a financial crisis. That is the upcoming forest fire.

This thread is about that upcoming forest fire, and has hints of what it might mean when that bubble bursts and how to get by during the (deliberately manufactured) crisis. Again, this will be used as a skakedown for further wealth acumulation, and they do not care who suffers or dies in the short term. The major thing we will be dealing with is hyperinflation, and that is why having enough food stored to last until next summer when you can grow some more is really really wise. It won't "fix" the hyperinflation, just empty bellies.

100 years ago, everyone grew food and stored enough for winter. We got lulled out of that sane practice into the insanity of becoming dependent on a truck to bring food to the store every few days. This has nothing to do with fear, but it has a lot to do with wisdom and using the wisdom to prepare for the economic forest fire, the derivatives bubble burst.

We can't know everything about the great unknown, the future. But we should be able to see this one coming. There is a way to fix it, but unfortunately the politicians sponsored into power by the international bankers are not going to. They are playing the role they were paid to play. They were paid to make sure it does not get fixed. So, we would be ignorant if we do nothing. Fear and worry suck, but this coming winter, it really won't matter to your family's bellies if you stored some food in fear or wisdom.

Dennis

[ljwheat]

IMO, that in the USA, and similar cultures of plenty, carry three months of stores on there body’s, and with only a good supply of water and a meager ration of one small portion of a meal every other day they would survive,. In the German camps people had even less to live on. And the ones who lived the longest were like the bar’s in the woods before winter and lived primarily on body fat. I know it sounds sick to speak this way but nature, and science have shown the true facts of the physical conditioning, and the minimum’s any individual could with stand.

When or if all the niceties in society, fall, restrictive thinking, self denial and conservation in rationing your own store’s, or fasting, critical thinking in the moment of need is critical not to panic. When the moment comes it’s the brain and how well its disciplined in forsight on what you have to do in that moment. And you wont be alone I’m sure. You may have to let some one else ration your lot to survive if your will power has no stake in your survival by rationing what is available in any given situation.

Separating yourself from the masses will be in the beginning the most critical prudent move you could possibly make, crowds die quicker than a individual caught in the inner city or earban area’s.

There are no safety in numbers if there all hungry and thirsty and with child. Hunting and gathering occupies a lot of territory in real life, that’s impossible in a large populas that’s starving. The few that make it to remote parts of nature, the meek will inherit the earth, pick up the sword and you will die by it. As it signals to all that you have something to protect, and they will investigate just to see what you have. I would say a good knowledge of tools needed to set up house with nature is more prudent than storing up a supply of store’s for they will run out, nature doesn’t have that kind of problem now dose it?
Getting back to nature and spirit and mother earth away from the slavery of civilization when its disappears even if you have to walk out with just a back pack of survival tools to begin back were we originally started home stead with our brains and hands you may make it. Thinking on your feet while moving in a safe direction, and not waiting for your comfortable life to return the way it used to be, may not happen should it be a total collapse, all who stay and try to save there life will loose it, animals in nature now this truth ;--we have forgotten it. Those who can not rap there heads around this will be the -- deer caught in the headlights of the on coming change. Poo POOing any or this tells me those are the lazy I don’t care, I’ll wait to be rescued I’m going to look the other way till I’m in need, and then it will be:--- Hay give me some of yours or I’ll kill you for it People lazy, lazy, people,. Grass hoppers and ants good story for this winter we are moving into don’t you think? Critical thinking will save your life, not weapons and store's and staying put. a moving targe is much safer from getting holes. John XXX