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    Hey folks,

    It looks like most of us are addicted to apocalyptic predictions somehow.

    So, I´ve decided to make this thread about predictions that failed!

    What can we conclude about these failed predictions? Can you see similarities between them and those that constantly come and go, here at PA? Can we, humans, actually predict the future? Why are we addicted to this sort of stuff? Why, even after making failed predictions, some people still continue to sell a lot of books?

    Please, feel free to share your perspectives or collect some other unfulfilled predictions, from any time in history, and post them here, right?

    So, let me start:


    Ancient Predictions:


    About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen.

    About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.

    About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

    2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.

    365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.

    375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.

    500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

    968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.

    992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting. There does not appear to be independent verification of this remarkable event.

    1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics. Agitation settled down quickly, as it later did in the year 2000.

    1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.

    1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the nearness of the end.

    1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.

    1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end was expected in 1306 CE.

    1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.

    1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.

    1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.

    1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.

    1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.

    1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.

    1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen a millennium and a half after the nominal date of his execution, in 1533. The New Jerusalem was expected to be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.

    1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death between 1669 and 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.

    1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.

    1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.

    1783: On JUN-08, a volcanic eruption in southern Iceland started. It pumped massive amounts of toxic dust, sulphur dioxide and fluorine into the atmosphere. Cattle died, crops failed, and about one quarter of the island's population died of starvation. By the end of June, poisonous clouds had reached England and much of Europe. Boats had to stay in harbor because they could not navigate. There was massive loss of life in England, particularly among farm workers. Many predicted that the end of the world was imminent.

    1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.

    1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought that Doomsday would occur in this year.

    1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.

    1832: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote, in Doctrines and Covenants section 130:
    14: "I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:"

    15: "Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter."

    16: "I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face."

    17: "I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time." 14
    The year in which this event occurred is not recorded. However, one commentator suggested 1832 or earlier. 16 Smith is later recorded as having said:
    "I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written--the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old." 17

    Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century, having been assassinated by a mob.


    Recent Predictions:


    Gary D. Blevins (1998) Ronald Reagan (who it turns out is the Antichrist, since each of his three names has six letters) would, despite being out of power for two years, return to rule the world -- aided by the Masons, UFOs and a supercomputer.

    In 1996, Reagan would begin his reign of terror by casting New York City into the Lake of Fire.

    But luckily, two short years later, Jesus would return to Earth, triggering the Rapture (the faithless need not apply) and tossing satanic Reagan into the fire for 1,000 years.
    Blevins apparently had little to say after his predictions failed to come to fruition, no doubt preferring to comfort himself with the stacks of money bilked from people gullible enough to buy his book.

    Ed Dames (Spring, 1999 / Rescheduled for 2014) Former US Army Major Ed Dames was a participant in the government's Stargate Project to determine the existence of psychic abilities -- you know, like The Men Who Stare at Goats -- but although the project was shut down for lack of evidence, that hasn't stopped Dames from trumpeting his ability to see ("remote view") the future and to teach others to do the same (for a small fee). His specialty seems to be doom and gloom predictions (Can no one predict peace accords or a 40% increase in rainbows?), from earthquakes to disease to nuclear war, but his pičce de résistance since at least 1998 has been the "killshot." It goes a little something like this:
    An unknown planet-sized object will suddenly come in close proximity with Earth, destroying our planet's magnetic field.

    An inconveniently timed period of unusually high solar flare activity will cause lethal flares to strike the Earth's surface, triggering tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, global warming, hurricane-level winds and a very smug Ed Dames.

    Amidst the chaos but unrelated to the killshot, the Earth will coincidentally decide to shift on its axis, wiping out what life is left on the planet after the solar flares hit.

    But have no fear: a humanoid alien race will show up after the devastation (thanks a lot) and help the few remaining survivors rebuild. In the meantime, they've left crop circles as indicators of the best places to be when the end of times occurs. Rural Kansas, here we come!
    Dames first predicted that the killshot would occur in the spring of 1999, and he and his employees spent a few days inside a lava tube in Hawaii waiting for the big event. Aw-kward. Undeterred, he has since continued to push out the date to "right around the corner" -- most recently somewhere between 2012 and 2014.

    Hon-Ming Chen (March 31, 1998) Taiwanese political science professor-turned-cult leader Hon-Ming Chen moved his God's Salvation Church to the US in the mid-'90s, settling in Garland, Texas because the name sounded like "God's Land." There, in 1997, he began to make some interesting predictions:
    Nuclear war would ravage the Earth in 1999, but like He had done five times before since the age of the dinosaurs, God would arrive in a flying saucer and save a select few beings -- i.e., members of God's Salvation Church. Chen pinpointed the landing spot to be Lake Street Beach in Miller, Indiana.

    But before all of that, at midnight on March 25, 1998, God would appear on Channel 18 on every television set in the US (sorry, rest of the world) to warn us about the impending global crisis.

    God would look exactly like Chen.

    Apparently, even though God is speaking, and He's talking about our imminent destruction, people would still become bored, so God would arrange for some entertaining movie programming to be shown as well. (When God didn't show, Chen explained that God had instead declared his intentions in strong winds and unusual cloud patterns.)

    Before things hit the fan, God would appear at Chen's house in Garland at 10:00 AM on March 31, 1998. Again, He would resemble Chen. He would even duplicate himself to personally greet followers at the same time and would speak in whatever language his followers spoke. (When that didn't pan out, Chen explained to reporters gathered at the scene that they are all God.)

    Chen claimed to have amongst his followers a reincarnation of Jesus Christ ("Jesus of the East") and prophesized that linking him up with a "Jesus of the West" would save lives in the impending war.
    The other Jesus was supposedly a six-foot-tall 28-year-old man living in Vancouver, British Columbia who looked like Abraham Lincoln. The group placed a personals ad in local newspapers, but no one came forward. As nutty as they were to follow Chen in the first place, his followers were smart enough to see the writing on the wall after several botched prophecies. Most abandoned God's Salvation Church even before the predicted doomsday.

    Nancy Lieder (May, 2003) In 1995, Nancy Lieder, founder of the Zeta Talk website and supposed alien contactee (and surrogate mother), targeted May 2003 as doomsday, stating amongst other things that:
    A planet-sized object, dubbed Planet X, about four times the size of Earth would sweep through our solar system, causing the Earth to stop spinning for six days.

    The Earth's poles would shift, causing the crust to move and leading to all sorts of nasty weather -- winds, tidal waves, lightning, whirlpools and enough humidity for a billion bad hair days.

    About 90% of the Earth's population would die, and their souls would be reincarnated as various entities, based on how selfless they are -- ranging from Earth-bound humans (the most selfless) to lesser beings flung off onto other planets (the most selfish). If you haven't decided whether to be selfless or selfish, you would be reincarnated as an octopus. Seriously.

    She knows this because she's been communicating with aliens ("Zetas") since she was a child, having been implanted with Zetan genetic material that gives her telepathic abilities. Or so they tell her.
    When the date came and went with no cataclysm, Lieder and her followers stated that the 2003 date was a "white lie" and that "no date would be given as it would allow the establishment to mistreat the populace." The Man has to ruin everything.

    Moses David (1993) David Berg (AKA Moses David), founder of the hippie religious cult The Children of God, made headlines nationwide in 1973 when he prophesized that the passing of the Comet Kohoutek would signal the end of the world, but he later made more ridiculous predictions, namely:
    The Battle of Armageddon would occur in the mid-1980s, during which the USSR would defeat a tag team of the United States and Israel.

    In 1986, a Communist leader would emerge from Egypt and become dictator of the world, but around three years later, he would announce that he is in fact Satan (Surprise!) and would demand worship from everyone.

    But have no fear; Jesus Christ would return in 1993 to conquer the Antichrist. The saved individuals would Rapture on up the road to Heaven, while Jesus would rule over the Earth for 1,000 years, with the assistance of Children of God members -- though you'd imagine all of them would be in Heaven at that point.
    If accusations of Berg's rampant child molestation didn't frighten his followers away, I supposed a few failed prophecies wouldn't seem like such a big deal. As such, although Berg died in 1994, his group continues to function under the name The Family International, with membership reported to be over 10,000.

    Eileen Lakes (July, 1999) In 1997, Eileen Lakes, self-proclaimed as "a Utopian, Spiritual Leader and Japanese," predicted that the following series of events would commence in July 1999:

    The planets in the solar system would suddenly align into a "Grand Cross" configuration.

    This movement would cause the Earth's poles to shift by 90 degrees, leading to a worldwide flood known as the "Water Baptism."

    Survivors would form a worldwide society -- the "Kingdom of God" -- using a form of socialism dubbed "Eileenism." Jerusalem would be the capital of Earth, and Earth would the capital of the solar system.

    Humans would have life spans of over 1,000 years and would swear loyalty to aliens and their almighty supercomputer, seeing as how humans were created by aliens. Duh.
    Although the events didn't unfold quite as expected in 1999, Lakes continues to tell her follower(s) to prepare for the "Kingdom of God," which now will occur around 2070, by which time she should be dead enough to avoid scrutiny when nothing happens.

    Albert Porta (December 17, 1919) Most meteorologists today are satisfied with getting the weekend forecast correct, but back in 1919, respected meteorologist Albert Porta went beyond the call of duty and predicted that December 17 of that year would arrive with a 100% chance of your face melting off. That is, the alignment of six planets would create a magnetic charge that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the Earth. When doomsday came and went without so much as a severe sunburn, Porta lost all his credibility and ended up writing the weather column for a local newspaper.

    Sheldan Nidle (March 1995 - December 1996, thereabouts) Scientist Sheldan Nidle helped popularize the pseudoscience of the Photon Belt with his 1994 book You are Becoming a Galactic Human, supposedly a transcript of messages channeled from an alien being from the Sirius star system (a "Sirian"). So, I suppose Nidle can blame him/her for these failed prophecies:
    Between March of 1995 and December of 1996, Earth would enter the Photon Belt, an immense ring of light particles (whose presence scientists have somehow not yet managed to recognize), that will transport the entire solar system close to the Sirius star system.

    The Photon Belt would elevate humans into a higher state of being, from the third dimension, skipping 4-D altogether and going all the way to 5-D: a semi-ethereal shared consciousness between all humans.

    Before the Photon Belt arrives, alien "counselors" from the Galactic Federation of Light would land on Earth to help prepare us for our new consciousness, teaching us not only how to speak telepathically with other people, but also with the dead and with plants and animals.
    When 1996 came and went without incident, Nidle proclaimed that the rituals and meditations of his followers "greatly assisted the local Spiritual Hierarchy in changing both the timing and the intensity of the Earth Changes." Well played, crazy person, well played.

    Cheers,

    Raf.

    PS: Let´s keep this thread polite and focused on the topic, ok?
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    Default Re: Predictions that never happened!

    This thread reminds me, has anyone ever thought about putting up some kind of reputation based website so that we can keep track of who makes what prediction, so that a clear, impartial record of people's successes and failures within the alternative community can be tracked? It'd sure be helpful to someone new if they can see who's likely to be a charlatan (by a long history of failed predictions) versus someone who might be the real deal.

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    Heck... the New Orleans Saints won the Superbowl... Just sayin...
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    Quote Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
    This thread reminds me, has anyone ever thought about putting up some kind of reputation based website so that we can keep track of who makes what prediction, so that a clear, impartial record of people's successes and failures within the alternative community can be tracked? It'd sure be helpful to someone new if they can see who's likely to be a charlatan (by a long history of failed predictions) versus someone who might be the real deal.
    Great idea, mate!

    From now on, this will be the thread where we will post any prediction, from any alternative media character, that doesn´t actually happen, right?

    This is a great way to separate which source of info is reliable and which one isn´t.

    Also, it´s a good way to refresh our memories and stop the same old characters to keep coming back with new nonsense predictions and vague claims.

    Cheers,

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    Hi again folks,

    I´ve just found a website that collects some more predictions, from all sorts, and confirm if they happened or not:

    http://skepticproject.com/articles/predictions/

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    -UPDATE-

    1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the timing of the end of the world. All failed. On 1850-JUN-27 she prophesized that only a few months remained before the end. She wrote: “My accompanying angel said, ‘Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.’ …now time is almost finished…and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.” 10
    bullet 1856 or later: At Ellen White’s last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote “I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: ‘Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” 11 That is, some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days, others would still be alive when Jesus came. “By the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure.” 12

    1891: Mother Shipton, a 16th century mystic predicted the end of the world: “…The world to an end shall come; in eighteen hundred and eighty-one.”

    1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years — i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)


    1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. Nothing much happened that year, except for the birth of the compiler of this list — who has been referred to as an Anti-Christ. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.


    1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled “The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message”. In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.


    1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled “Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid.” It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.


    1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha’i Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God’s Kingdom on earth.

    1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years in advance that the world would end in the fall of 1982. The failure of this prophecy did not seem to adversely affect his reputation.

    1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the “Jupiter Effect” in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align as seen from earth, as they do regularly. Nothing unusual happened.

    1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes, very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. were to happen. Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read out by his secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.

    1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd’s Chapel predicted that the war of Armageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in “a valley of the Alaskan peninsula.”

    1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.

    1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book “I Predict 2000 AD” predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.

    1988: Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book “The Late, Great Planet Earth” that the Rapture was coming in 1988 – one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well indeed.

    1988: Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was “super-psychic A.S. Narayana,” predicted in 1986 that the world’s greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.

    1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book “88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988.” It sold over 4 million copies. <<<<<

    1997: Amateur Astrologist's False Observation Leads to Mass Suicide in 1997
    When amateur astronomist Chuck Shramek took a fuzzy CCD image of the comet Hale-Bopp, which was set to reappear in 1997, he mistakenly observed that a Saturn-like object was trailing behind it. The observation reached message boards on the early, pre-YouTube Internet and spread, making UFO enthusiasts predict that an alien spacecraft was trailing the comet.

    The closeness of the comet's appearance to the new millennium led religious cults like Heaven's Gate to see it as a sign of the apocalypse.

    39 people in the cult committed mass suicide in California because they believed the UFO disguising itself through the comet was there to rescue them from a doomed Earth. How they thought killing themselves would help them get on the UFO makes no sense. Other cults who thought themselves to be creatures from other planets were waiting for the UFO to take them back home and end their "visit" on Earth.

    Later it was discovered that two astronomers from the University of Hawaii had actually taken the photo and Shramek's had been altered to add the object.

    1998 - David Wilcock made a prophecy at the beginning of July that indicated the possible threat of a nuclear strike on New York City for August 17th, 1998. Accordingly to him, it never happened "due to our own efforts of prayer and of alerting the proper forces, this strike has been avoided".

    1999- Richard Hoagland tells us that something momentous is about to befall on November 7th, the date of the X-Files season opener.

    2000/2008/2009 - David Wilcock, who once had a website called ascension2000.com, like the name of the site says, predicted that some kind of mass dimensional ascension would happen in the year 2000. Wilcock predicted that on October 14th 2008 a massive armada of UFO's would be seen worldwide in the skies, and that the US government would fully disclose all UFO information by the end of 2009.

    2011 - Richard Hoagland and other characters predicted that the comet Elenin was a spaceship that would hit or seriously affect Earth somehow. This was the Elenin fever and everyone was sure that this comet would have serious impacts over our lives. The comet ended up disintegrating while passing close to the sun. Shortly after the Elenin fiasco, Richard Hoagland predicted that asteroid YU55 would hit the moon on November 9th. He also said the the asteroid was in fact a spaceship. David Wilcock confirmed/vetted it.


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    I predict this thread will be a huge success. I'm going out on a limb here..............Great idea Raf. I am going to be watching what is going on here and enjoying the list you provided.

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    Hi again folks,

    I´ve just found a website that collects some more predictions, from all sorts, and confirm if they happened or not:

    http://skepticproject.com/articles/predictions/

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    That site looks like a total debunking site run by an alphabet. IMHO

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    Excellent thread Raf,

    predictions are interesting and entertaining, remember the 'mothership visit'

    there is a question here: if a person makes a prediction that doesnt come true, does that make them a liar? and always and forever a liar?
    if a person makes a prediction that does come true: like 2+2=4, or, tommorrow will be the 19th..... does that mean they will always know the truth about the future?

    the skill in predicting the future from our 'terrestrial meatsuit pilot' perspective must be in correctly evaluating the probabilities...
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    Hope I am not going off topic here Raf (great idea this thread to keep ourselves balanced) ...

    A Buddhist friend of mine was told by a llama that a psychic can see into your future but only if there is a strong karmic link between you and the psychic (interesting perspective). So this friend and I have discovered (we do a lot of personal research with psychics!) among those who do have some kind of aptitude to see into the future:

    1. Most will not admit that they are not getting any information, like when they are having a bad day and are blocked, and so will make up something. (They are bound to get something right or close to right sometime, simply because of the law of averages and so followers are convinced.)

    2. Most will misinterpret what they do see (i.e. they are unaware of how intrusive their own perceptions and beliefs are).

    3. Most will make up a story (extrapolate, analyse, draw conclusions from) rather than simply tell exactly what they see.

    I've been investigating the remote viewing results from Courtney Brown's research (probably the closest to a mainstream scientific investigation that there is) keeping in mind the three above points and trying to see what is left. (I'll let you know in July 2013 if the predictions from this remote viewing are true or false!)
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    Quote Posted by meat suit (here)
    Excellent thread Raf,

    predictions are interesting and entertaining, remember the 'mothership visit'

    there is a question here: if a person makes a prediction that doesnt come true, does that make them a liar? and always and forever a liar?
    if a person makes a prediction that does come true: like 2+2=4, or, tommorrow will be the 19th..... does that mean they will always know the truth about the future?

    the skill in predicting the future from our 'terrestrial meatsuit pilot' perspective must be in correctly evaluating the probabilities...
    Hi my friend, Super Meat Boy!

    Well, my answer is absolutely NO!

    However, what I´m judging here (yes! we can judge any information presented to us!), is the level of certainty and assertiveness that people usually have while making predictions!

    I don´t see any humble persons making predictions, like "I believe something may happen that date", "I think something serious might happen because of this and that..." and this sort of nice behavior.

    To me, looks like everyone who makes a prediction consider themselves the masters of truth! They always say "This is going to happen and you better be ready", "I´m absolutely sure about it because my sources told me" and this stuff.

    I´m not talking about analyzing global trends and making an estimation out of your analyzes. We all do that on our daily lives.

    What I am talking about is an individual, like for instance, Richard Hoagland, who was absolutely sure that Elenin was a spaceship and that it would affect us very badly. Then when Elenin was gone, he changed his goals to YU55 and, again, nothing happened.

    Also, I´m talking about people like David Wilcock, who makes a living out of predictions that never happened! If you research on the web, you´ll see that he once had a website called ascension2000, making as many bold predictions as he does now, about the year 2000, among MANY other failed predictions and the most amazing thing, is that people still believe in this con man! This guy is on the failed predictions business for more than 15 years and still making money out of it!

    How about this other guy, Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book “88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988” and sold over 4 million copies!!!!

    You must have in mind that, this is a very lucrative business, built upon people´s naivety! People can make A LOT of money selling books and other stuff to naive people! That´s why these persons, like David Wilcock, never give up and are always moving their goals to a different date and making new predictions.

    Anyway, I´ve made this thread for all of us to finally realize that, statistically, the human being can´t predict big chances on Earth and on society with accuracy.

    People must leave this prediction stuff behind, because it´s not working for about 2000 years! Start making the change yourselves folks, it´s not sooo hard!

    Cheers,

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    Great Idea RMorgan…People need to see the history of deceit and how it’s shaping the minds of tomorrow… even if these predictions never happened. Sadly, those giving out these failed predictions still hold captive the attention and the minds of many. Unknowingly, these blind followers are becoming another problem within our society.

    If it was up to me...I would sticky this to the top of the forum ASAP. Anything that helps keep us focused and on the right paths gets my endorsement. Thanks for this very very important thread, this will come in handy.

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    Another prediction gone wrong, by Cartomancer:

    Quote Posted by Cartomancer (here)
    I predict this thread will be a huge success. I'm going out on a limb here..............Great idea Raf. I am going to be watching what is going on here and enjoying the list you provided.
    No, this thread is not going be a success, simply because people want to believe! People just want it, nothing else matters.

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    I think this is a great post, and by reading it, we can see what to expect, probably more of the same
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    -UPDATE-

    This one was pretty fun to watch, I must confess. A perfect example of collective hysteria:

    2011- Steve Beckow selected about a hundred people that would be leaving Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012, to board the Neptune, the mothership of Grener of Ashira, from Neptune, the President of the Intergalactic Council, for a 10-day tour of the fleet and a trip to another planet. They would be returned on Feb. 14 (or sooner if people had other obligations). Of course, It didn´t happen but, unbelievably, many people believed it, as you can see in this thread:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...p-Steve-Beckow

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    Search this forum for Stankov to find numerous predictions that did not occur.

    However, my personal favorite prediction that did not occur is Dr Boylan's Appalachian earthquakes - down to the minute and size - would have wiped me out if true. (Afterward's he claimed interference from entities that wanted to destroy his reputation was responsible, as I recall)

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    Quote This is my revised report on the Five Great Quakes to rock the US East Coast between September 4 and 10. This report provides additional details, building on the basic core of information received from Star Nations, and relayed by Star Person-Incarnate Fran, about there being five large quakes to occur along the Appalachian Mountain chain in early September, and the dates of each.
    I have uploaded to this website a satellite photo map of the Five Great Quakes, with push pins identifying the epicenter of each one.

    First, here is specific data obtained from my psychic future-reading of the energy signature of each Quake. This will be followed by a few overall comments about potential impacts, and about Mother Earth's intentions. Note: * indicates revised data reading since the earlier report.
    Great Quake #1: Sunday, Sept. 4, magnitude 8.1. Epicenter* around Taylorsville, North Carolina 28681. ,GPS coordinates: 35 degrees, 52', 21.34" North Latitude; 81 degrees, 11', 28.26" West Longitude. (This is 55 miles west-southwest of Winston-Salem, NC, and 140 mi. W of Raleigh, NC. The epicenter is also 280 miles WSW of Naval Station Norfolk, VA; and 300 miles SW of Washington, DC.)
    Great Quake #2: Monday, Sept. 5, magnitude 8.2. Epicenter* at Federal Square, Petersburg, West Virginia 26847; GPS coordinates: 38 degrees, 59', 49.921 N Lat.; 79 degrees, 7', 31.01" W Long. (This is 110 miles west of Washington, DC.)
    Great Quake #3: Tuesday, Sept. 6, magnitude 8.6*. Epicenter under High Knob peak on the Virginia-West Virginia State Line, about 20 miles NW of Harrisonburg, VA 22801; GPS coordinates: 38 degrees, 34', 9.33" N Lat.; 79 degrees, 10', 15.02" W Long. (This is 115 miles WSW of Washington, DC. And 195 miles NW of Naval Station Norfolk.)
    Mega-Quake #4: Wednesday, Sept. 7, magnitude 9.5. Epicenter is 14 miles northwest of Roanoke, Virginia, (3 miles west of Catawba, VA 24070), under VA HWY 311, (9/10 mile south of JCT of VA 311 and VA 621). GPS coordinates: 37 degrees, 24', 3.27" N Lat.; 80 degrees, 9', 20.30" W Long. (The epicenter is also 200 miles SW of Washington, DC; and 216 miles ESE of Naval Station Norfolk.)
    Great Quake #5: Saturday, Sept. 10, magnitude 8.4*. Epicenter is 2 miles north of Franklin (on US 22), West Virginia 26807, GPS coordinates: 38 degrees, 40', 56.07" N Lat.; 79 degrees, 19', 0.41" W. Long. (This epicenter is 120 miles WSW of Washington, DC. And 210 miles NW of Naval Station Norfolk.)
    In addition to the very powerful shaking which these Great Quakes will generate, there is indication that substantial Seiches (inland waterway tidal waves) will develop in Chesapeake Bay [affecting Washington, DC and Baltimore] and in Delaware Bay [affecting Philadelphia], and substantial ocean Tsunamis will develop along portions of the U.S. Atlantic Coast, potentially affecting somewhat New York Bay and Long Island Sound, JFK Airport and low-lying portions of Manhattan.
    The Navy's huge Norfolk Naval Base, VA at the mouth of Chesapeake Bay would be well advised to send its fleets out to sea to ride out the seiches/tsunamis to occur nearby.
    Mother Earth is hurting. My close associate, Star Person-Incarnate Fran, has indicated that these quakes are a natural event, necessary for Gaia/Mother Earth to adjust and equilibrate in the face of the damage done to her, including the epically-ruinous massive mountaintop-removals and other destabilizing coal-mining damage occurring extensively throughout the Appalachians. Thus, these mega-quakes are not something anyone should try to prevent or minimize by psychic means.
    We have to learn to accept that Gaia/Earth Mother needs to adjust herself. And that we need to learn from the natural consequences of our collective human behavior and choices.
    Perhaps this early-September Appalachian Mega-Quake series will be the occasion for us and the U.S. Administration to turn dramatically away from reliance on carbon-based fuel and power, such as coal, moving instead to alternative, less ecologically-harmful energy sources.
    Or will people miss the meaning of this Appalachian lesson?
    But if the U.S. Administration uses these Great Quakes as a basis for declassifying and beginning to release clean, non-polluting Zero Point Energy technology to the public, then all the suffering and property loss that will accompany the Appalachian Great Quakes will not have been in vain.
    The energy indication readings I get also point to this Five Great Quakes Series as an opportunity for "the greatest power in the world" (the U.S.) to learn some humility, to refocus on the essentials, for its citizens to mobilize their humanity and compassion for those affected, and for setting aside petty political games of "scoring points" instead of statesmanship.
    The indications I get also point to the use of these Five Great Quakes to deliver some karmic retribution to the Cabal/Illuminati/Shadow Government. Gaia/Mother Earth will differentially send her shock waves through her crust, making sure that Cabal underground installations receive the most damaging force, and that the underground installations of the "White Hats" [Good Guys] in government receive substantially much less force.
    The above Quake Series readings were made August 30. Mother Earth can change and shift, and does. Already Gaia has decided not to allow the enormous Seaslide and Tsunami at La Palma Island, Canaries to occur as a result of the 5 Great Quakes. There will already be so much damage from those Quakes themselves.
    I will be taking additional readings over the next four days until the Quake Series starts, and will post any substantial changes publicly on my website, www.drboylan.com/appalachianquakes.html.
    These coming challenging times are part of the Transition from corrupt Fourth World society to reformed Fifth World society, a Transition foreseen in the oral traditions of countless indigenous peoples for millennia.
    And so, these Quakes can also be viewed as birth pains; as Gaia and we Humans continue our shift from corrupt Fourth World society in need of change to a reformed and renewed Fifth World society and planet.


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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    Search this forum for Stankov to find numerous predictions that did not occur.
    Thanks for the contribution mate! This one is pretty fun as well!

    Maybe you could give me a hand here and post some of Stankov´s failed predictions?

    Lets help to build up this database folks, for the sake of this community!

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    Predictions are like prophesy. This is the potential future outcome if we stay on the energetic pathway we are on now. That's all.

    Predictions are energetic based and do not follow the Gregorian calendar, which is a construct of the elite power mongers. Energy is the collective manifestation, and it occurs based on the current energetic imprint.

    So, events can still happen when the energy is just right, or not. It's up to us.

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    Predictions are like prophesy. This is the potential future outcome if we stay on the energetic pathway we are on now. That's all.

    Predictions are energetic based and do not follow the Gregorian calendar, which is a construct of the elite power mongers. Energy is the collective manifestation, and it occurs based on the current energetic imprint.

    So, events can still happen when the energy is just right, or not. It's up to us.
    Well, I have nothing against predictions.

    However, I have everything against fixed dated predictions, loaded with fantastic, nonsense and empty claims, made to explore people´s naivety to make money out of their fragile beliefs.

    I´m against all kinds of lies and I feel extremely hurt whenever I see goodhearted people falling for any sort of scam.

    Since people come here to learn, I really believe we all could learn a lot from this thread.

    Anyone who wants to investigate the truth, must uncover all lies first, in order to clear the path.

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    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    However, I have everything against fixed dated predictions, loaded with fantastic, nonsense and empty claims, made to explore people´s naivety to make money out of their fragile beliefs.

    I´m against all kinds of lies and I feel extremely hurt whenever I see goodhearted people falling for any sort of scam.

    Cheers,

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