One must Rebel against human family to Evolve Society.. US had lost its Rebel Spirit

[seigiarchon]

There is this saying that every old generation must make way for the next younger generation to arise.

To completely Evolve and Transcend this tired old world which we live in, each and every one of us must have the Will to Rebel Completely against the Establishment.

And to attain the Will to Rebel against the Establishment, one must first possess the Will to Rebel against one's own Human Parents and Families.

The Universe deliberately put us into this scenario where the "rebellious souls" on this Prison Planet would have to war against the "conformist souls" for the future of humanity. And as a joke played by the Universe, there are too many blood families in this world with both "rebellious souls" and "conformist souls" in them.

This means that a lot of us would have to fight against our own family for the fate of humanity. There are too many of us who have older parents or elder relatives who hold comfortable cushy jobs with huge corporations or the government and they do not want their livelihoods to be crushed for fear of losing their homes or their families or their cars.

However for humanity to evolve, each and every human must do its part to rise against the Establishment even it means going against one's own human parents and family!

A few hundred years ago, an army of uneducated and impoverished American farmers found the will and the pride to rise up against their oppressive British tyrants but today, modern Americans have lost their rebellious spirits to fast food, mortgages, SUVs and fat paychecks.

I singled out the US because the US had always hailed itself as the bastion of freedom. But after everything that had happened, the US seems more like a gigantic Nazi Prison Camp intent on enslaving the whole world.

Pretty Pathetic if you ask me.

[schneider]

I already did the rebellion thing against my parents and family. Now that I am older and they don't have control over me I feel like I want to get closer to them. There is no way I will change my family, and they have given up on trying to change me, so we all get along nicely now. I think it is important to develop tolerance so the mind stays open to other people's differences.

[seigiarchon]

One of the main reasons for posting this thread is to bring up the undeniable fact that most of the humans in the top echelons of politics and economics today are humans aged 45 and above. Which is not surprising given the fact that most older humans in the world were given more time and energies to amass wealth, knowledge and power. This fact applies regardless of which country you are in.

Correspondingly, the older humans in the world had used their amassed wealth, knowledge and power to oppress the younger generation and prevent the younger generation from rising to positions of power thus disrupting the transfer of power in the world.

Just take a closer look at the CEOs of the world's major corporations. Take a closer look at the world's presidents and prime ministers. Very few of them are humans aged 45 and below. Why is that?

You know, the older generation has a mindset which is actually retarding the evolution of humanity. Most of the older humans believe, for eg, that money and marriages are essential cornerstones of human civilization.

Really? Money and Marriages are essential for the Evolution of Mankind? WTH?

I believe that for humanity to reach the pinnacle of its potential, every human aged 45 years and above must be removed from positions of power.

[sirdipswitch]

I'm gonna tell Source, you said he's too old to lead. hehehehe

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[Heartsong]

So your saying that the young (presumably at the bottom) must change positions with the middle aged 45'rs (at the top). The powerless revolt and assume control, the previously powerful assume the place of the powerless. Golly, doesn't seem like much overall progress there. Same old Same old.

Shall we exchange Zuckerman for Gates?

[we-R-one]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
There is this saying that every old generation must make way for the next younger generation to arise.

To completely Evolve and Transcend this tired old world which we live in, each and every one of us must have the Will to Rebel Completely against the Establishment.

And to attain the Will to Rebel against the Establishment, one must first possess the Will to Rebel against one's own Human Parents and Families.

The Universe deliberately put us into this scenario where the "rebellious souls" on this Prison Planet would have to war against the "conformist souls" for the future of humanity. And as a joke played by the Universe, there are too many blood families in this world with both "rebellious souls" and "conformist souls" in them.

This means that a lot of us would have to fight against our own family for the fate of humanity. There are too many of us who have older parents or elder relatives who hold comfortable cushy jobs with huge corporations or the government and they do not want their livelihoods to be crushed for fear of losing their homes or their families or their cars.

However for humanity to evolve, each and every human must do its part to rise against the Establishment even it means going against one's own human parents and family!

A few hundred years ago, an army of uneducated and impoverished American farmers found the will and the pride to rise up against their oppressive British tyrants but today, modern Americans have lost their rebellious spirits to fast food, mortgages, SUVs and fat paychecks.

I singled out the US because the US had always hailed itself as the bastion of freedom. But after everything that had happened, the US seems more like a gigantic Nazi Prison Camp intent on enslaving the whole world.

Pretty Pathetic if you ask me.

To some your post may sound cruel and compassion-less, but I have to agree. I have been the black sheep of my family since I was a young child- most likely due to my Star Seed background-always fighting the status-quo being crammed down my throat. Now as an adult, I can make my own choices and I no longer feel guilty going against the grain. I have become comfortable with being uncomfortable. This path has cost me dearly- lost friends, zero family and minimum acquaintances. Laying the foundation for the future has been a lonely task, but I still wouldn't trade it for the world. And though I struggle tremendously being around people who don't want to "get it", I do my best to be patient and understanding as I know their souls might not be ready for the change that is upon us. Welcome to the ascension process, eh? The pain of watching others you care about not getting or wanting to get the message, but finding yourself carrying on as you know this is the future. So you're thread I find to be quite accurate as I'm living the very story you are suggesting and have been almost my entire life....and I'm 45, lol.

[seigiarchon]

Posted by Heartsong (here)
So your saying that the young (presumably at the bottom) must change positions with the middle aged 45'rs (at the top). The powerless revolt and assume control, the previously powerful assume the place of the powerless. Golly, doesn't seem like much overall progress there. Same old Same old.

Shall we exchange Zuckerman for Gates?

There are not too many Zuckermans around compared to the number of Gates.

Yes I know Zuckerman is in league with the devils, strong possibility anyway, I would take Zuckermans in power over Gates or Obama in power any time of the day.

At the very least, the Zuckermans of this world hadn't the time or opportunity to harden their hearts like how the older generation had harden their hearts.

So I would say it is much easier for the Zuckermans to change themselves than the Gates as they are not that jaded yet.

PS I am talking about changes in positions of power including and especially those in the secret government.

It wouldn't make sense for Zuckerman to be US President yet Rockefeller is holding the strings in a secret base somewhere.

[seigiarchon]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
There is this saying that every old generation must make way for the next younger generation to arise.

To completely Evolve and Transcend this tired old world which we live in, each and every one of us must have the Will to Rebel Completely against the Establishment.

And to attain the Will to Rebel against the Establishment, one must first possess the Will to Rebel against one's own Human Parents and Families.

The Universe deliberately put us into this scenario where the "rebellious souls" on this Prison Planet would have to war against the "conformist souls" for the future of humanity. And as a joke played by the Universe, there are too many blood families in this world with both "rebellious souls" and "conformist souls" in them.

This means that a lot of us would have to fight against our own family for the fate of humanity. There are too many of us who have older parents or elder relatives who hold comfortable cushy jobs with huge corporations or the government and they do not want their livelihoods to be crushed for fear of losing their homes or their families or their cars.

However for humanity to evolve, each and every human must do its part to rise against the Establishment even it means going against one's own human parents and family!

A few hundred years ago, an army of uneducated and impoverished American farmers found the will and the pride to rise up against their oppressive British tyrants but today, modern Americans have lost their rebellious spirits to fast food, mortgages, SUVs and fat paychecks.

I singled out the US because the US had always hailed itself as the bastion of freedom. But after everything that had happened, the US seems more like a gigantic Nazi Prison Camp intent on enslaving the whole world.

Pretty Pathetic if you ask me.

To some your post may sound cruel and compassion-less, but I have to agree. I have been the black sheep of my family since I was a young child- most likely due to my Star Seed background-always fighting the status-quo being crammed down my throat. Now as an adult, I can make my own choices and I no longer feel guilty going against the grain. I have become comfortable with being uncomfortable. This path has cost me dearly- lost friends, zero family and minimum acquaintances. Laying the foundation for the future has been a lonely task, but I still wouldn't trade it for the world. And though I struggle tremendously being around people who don't want to "get it", I do my best to be patient and understanding as I know their souls might not be ready for the change that is upon us. Welcome to the ascension process, eh? The pain of watching others you care about not getting or wanting to get the message, but finding yourself carrying on as you know this is the future. So you're thread I find to be quite accurate as I'm living the very story you are suggesting and have been almost my entire life....and I'm 45, lol.

The only older people who should be in positions of power are the ascetics.

Which is someone like the Dalai Lama.

Only an ascetic who has the purity of being to reject all worldly desires in life is qualified to lead other people as there is no other way to ensure an older person's decisions isn't based on greed or power.

[Ellisa]

So, how old are you seigiarchon? You'll get your go at the top eventually-- none of us oldies live forever, and believe it or not, once we all felt as you do now! Sad really isn't it?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
and believe it or not, once we all felt as you do now!

No, we didn't. Not all of us were that arrogant. Some of us have sought out our Elders. True Masters. And plopped ourselves down at their feet with our questions. We weren't dumb enough to think that we could figure it all out ourselves. Or that we were somehow smarter than a thousand generations before us.

[we-R-one]

IMO the days of being led are just about over.....the future is about becoming your own messiah, not following another.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
IMO the days of being led are just about over.....the future is about becoming your own messiah, not following another.

I totally agree. And the wise person knows the difference between learning from someone who has already traveled the terrain that they face and blindly following a leader. I know that many people today feel that we have no need of teachers and we can do it all and learn it all better on our own. I consider these people fools.

There are different ways of approaching the teacher-student relationship and each is appropriate depending on the needs and growth level of the student. In many of the Indian traditions, the teacher is the guru and is worshipped as a manifestation of divinity. In Taoism, the teacher is referred to as the "Dangerous Friend".

If you attempt to learn martial arts from a book or from just practicing on your own, you will not get very far. If you wish to practice shamanic journeying, but you do not know how to protect yourself in those realms, you can get into some trouble. If you wish to learn meditation by yourself, you can, but a good teacher can help you avoid the pitfalls that millions of others have already encountered.

[seaturtle77]

The rgument of thias thread is bordering on ageism as clearly indicateds by the 45 yr old natural born rebel above. I am 57 and still in rebellion, always will be as long as I remainn free of the influences that convert rebels in to bought -out security seekers. In principle, I agree. We should celebrate the rebels of society for without them society would be a turgid stagnant pit of recycled familiarity. It is my desire never lose the spark of originality that enables a new perspective and potentiates a new path for discovery. As with all aspects of existence it is energy that holds the key. The nominated age of 45 yrs is more than likely reflective of how you feel your own energy levels are respoinding to the ageing process. It is, and will always be my advice to all, never to allow yourself to be limited by any concept of expectations connected to age. Doing virtually guarantees that you will fizzle out precisely when you expect to fizzle out. Me, I am doing my damnedest to keep the fire burning while all around me are doing their damnedest to convince me that I am burned out. To them I say "Go and **** yourselves you sad, inadequate, jealous mother****ers.

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Cheers for the bleeps chaps. I forgot where I was for a moment.

[sdv]

The statements in the original USA Constitution are noble and vibrate at a higher (more inclusive and more aware and more conscious) frequency than more than 80% of human beings at this present time, BUT ...

the original content was always compromised (the death penalty, the right to bear arms and use them for protection, and so on).

Nothing will change in the USA (other than those 'on top' who benefit from a cushy lifestyle at expense of Earth at large) unless fundamental human rights are accepted by the majority of the population.

Force always looks for justification because it is limited and divides ALL between right and wrong, haves and have nots, desirables and non-desirables ...; power needs no justification because it extends human rights to ALL.

[pilotsimone]

I love your energy, seaturtle77! Keep that fire burning!

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
And to attain the Will to Rebel against the Establishment, one must first possess the Will to Rebel against one's own Human Parents and Families.

The Universe deliberately put us into this scenario where the "rebellious souls" on this Prison Planet would have to war against the "conformist souls" for the future of humanity. And as a joke played by the Universe, there are too many blood families in this world with both "rebellious souls" and "conformist souls" in them.

This means that a lot of us would have to fight against our own family for the fate of humanity. There are too many of us who have older parents or elder relatives who hold comfortable cushy jobs with huge corporations or the government and they do not want their livelihoods to be crushed for fear of losing their homes or their families or their cars.

However for humanity to evolve, each and every human must do its part to rise against the Establishment even it means going against one's own human parents and family!

Interesting.

The very first thing that came to my mind when I read the title of this thread was this:

Luke 14:26 ""If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple."

If the "Christ" is going to return, it will be in the form of human consciousness. In Jesus' day, the "establishment" was the Pharisees. It's no different today!

If mankind is going to evolve, we will have to stop putting our own family members before everyone else. We will have to stop stepping on others in order to gain the best advantage for our own. This is the way the Power Elite have screwed the rest of the globe. Everyone has equal rights.

Excellent post!

[Selene]

Posted by seigiarchon
A few hundred years ago, an army of uneducated and impoverished American farmers found the will and the pride to rise up against their oppressive British tyrants…

Seig, sweetie: before you go galloping madly off in all directions again, I suggest you get your facts straight. Of the 56 American signers of the Declaration of Independence, the overwhelming majority were over the age of 40. Only seven were under 35.

Only one man listed himself as a farmer. There were, however, 24 lawyers, 15 merchants, 3 physicians, and 1 scientist (Benjamin Franklin, age 70). The rest of the signatories were the wealthy and highly educated owners of some of the largest plantations in the new world: the Lees, Middletons, Rutledges, Harrisons, Heywards and Thomas Jefferson himself. All were prominent in their local communities. http://www.usconstitution.net/declarsigndata.html

Hardly uneducated rabble with pitchforks, I’d say.

But then, you don’t seem particularly interested in letting the facts get in the way of a good high-pitched screed.

Carry on.

Cheers,

Selene

[seigiarchon]

Posted by Selene (here)

Posted by seigiarchon
A few hundred years ago, an army of uneducated and impoverished American farmers found the will and the pride to rise up against their oppressive British tyrants…

Seig, sweetie: before you go galloping madly off in all directions again, I suggest you get your facts straight. Of the 56 American signers of the Declaration of Independence, the overwhelming majority were over the age of 40. Only seven were under 35.

Only one man listed himself as a farmer. There were, however, 24 lawyers, 15 merchants, 3 physicians, and 1 scientist (Benjamin Franklin, age 70). The rest of the signatories were the wealthy and highly educated owners of some of the largest plantations in the new world: the Lees, Middletons, Rutledges, Harrisons, Heywards and Thomas Jefferson himself. All were prominent in their local communities. http://www.usconstitution.net/declarsigndata.html

Hardly uneducated rabble with pitchforks, I’d say.

But then, you don’t seem particularly interested in letting the facts get in the way of a good high-pitched screed.

Carry on.

Cheers,

Selene

The army consisted of mostly farmers, didn't it? Or do you only count the "leaders"?

[Selene]

Posted by seigiarchon
The army consisted of mostly farmers, didn't it? Or do you only count the "leaders"?

An army without leaders is what is commonly called a mob. Is that what you are advocating?

The American revolutionary army consisted mainly of educated townspeople who kept their expensive armaments and munitions in community arsenals ("A well-trained militia being necessary...".etc) After that, they had allies - professional soldiers - from France, Poland etc.... Generals Lafayette, Kościuszko, etc... Farmers mainly grew food and returned home from the militia in order to plant or harvest their crops. And yes - they were paid, even if in phony bux. They did it for money(!) (Look up "Continental Scrip") You've been watching too many fantasy movies, I think.

So: you might still benefit from some education before spouting off. Read and learn first. The internet is free.

Regards,

Selene

[eileenrose]

I think what you are referring to is that older people feel more stuck and less energic than their younger counterparts.

re: topic of this thread.

That isn't your and anyone else's responsibility....as it is another assumption and/or judgement. Younger people have to deal with having very little real knowledge, while older people get stuck in patterns that they refuse to un-glue (un-attach) themselves from.

Nothing new under the sun.

eileen
elder