An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?

[Daughter of Time]

Justone, I am not trying to even remotely convince you of my viewpoint. I am simply stating what I fully believe in my heart and in my soul due primarily to past life regressions and other so-called paranormal experiences which I've had since I was a child and continue to this day.

We all have our journeys (which can be very complicated) which hopefully will lead us all to uncovering the truth.

I respect everyone's opinions unless I feel they come from evil intent, which I certainly do not feel from you.

Blessings!

[markpierre]

All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

This lifted from a text from some definition from somewhere;
"for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented." makes perfect sense to me. 'Invented' seems like the operative.
Made up. Make believe. But convincing enough so that I believed it. Do I need to continue to? Or can I change my mind?
I'm a spirit that organized for me to be here and wake up every morning believing that I'm not necessarily in control of what's going to happen next.
That's a bit weird.

Posted by justoneman (here)
I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences.
justone

My god I so relate. Try this for a sec; consider how they changed you. Not your opinions or beliefs, though they may have. But how they changed you fundamentally,
so that you experience yourself as different now than before them, or closer to the truth of you. Interesting to imagine, but play with it.
You can interpret anything and everything as nothing other than that. Really, you can. Not saying that's 'the way' or anything, but it helps me.
After I've had a coffee.

[justoneman]

Hi Daughter of Time - apologies if I mis-communicated... sometimes posts can do that. I was a wee bit concerned that I had given an impression that I deemed all types of non phyiscal human intelligence contact as malevolent.

I had entertained that concern even recently, and so I thought perhaps you picked up on those considerations and I was clarifying where I stand on all that now.

I was really happy with your posted consideration about Yeshua perhaps an ED/human hybred as I have always considered that as a quite possible explanation.

Again, apologies if other impressions were made.

Thanks again for your posts and also your posts on the Horus-Ra thread.

[justoneman]

Posted by markpierre (here)
All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

This lifted from a text from some definition from somewhere;
"for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented." makes perfect sense to me. 'Invented' seems like the operative.
Made up. Make believe. But convincing enough so that I believed it. Do I need to continue to? Or can I change my mind?
I'm a spirit that organized for me to be here and wake up every morning believing that I'm not necessarily in control of what's going to happen next.
That's a bit weird.

Posted by justoneman (here)
I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences.
justone

My god I so relate. Try this for a sec; consider how they changed you. Not your opinions or beliefs, though they may have. But how they changed you fundamentally,
so that you experience yourself as different now than before them, or closer to the truth of you. Interesting to imagine, but play with it.
You can interpret anything and everything as nothing other than that. Really, you can. Not saying that's 'the way' or anything, but it helps me.
After I've had a coffee.

see this post by observer -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post494845

and listen to the brief interview of Jay Weidner - can help ya get up to speed on this

[ulli]

This is for Jorr, who mentioned connecting the dots. Also for anyone who has ever contemplated both "resurrection" and "second coming" and is open to the possibility that such an event might have already come and gone and stirred up the planet and move it towards the promised Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
A Persian nobleman claimed that he was Christ returned, and did so in a variety of letters, which he addressed to the monarchs of the 19th century, as well as to Pope Pius IX.
These letters were written by him while confined to life imprisonment in Palestine.

In this essay below Juan Cole sums up Baha'u'llah's messages to the kings.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bhkings.htm

Excerpt

In the letter to Pope Pius IX (r. 1846-1878), Baha'u'llah warned the
pontiff not to allow a focus on Jesus's name to bar him from recognizing the
reality of the Lord of the heavens and earth. He criticized the pope for living in
palaces while the returned Messiah dwelt in the most desolate of abodes. He
reminded Pope Pius that the most learned men of Jesus's own time rejected him,
while a humble fisherman embraced his teachings. He lamented that while
generations of pious monks had prayed day and night for the return of Christ,
when he came they failed to recognize him. He said to the Pontiff to "Sell all
the embellished ornaments thou dost possess, and expend them in the path of
God . . . abandon thy kingdom unto the kings, and emerge from thy habitation,
with thy face set towards the Kingdom, and, detached from the world, then
speak forth the praises of thy Lord" (POB, p. 85). He thus counselled the Pope
to relinquish the papal estates and concentrate on a spiritual ministry. He
identified the Bab as the return of John the Baptist for Christians, heralding
Baha'u'llah's own advent who speaks with the tongue of the Son (Muluk, pp.
73-90).
In addition, Baha'u'llah apostrophizes some rulers in his 1873 book of
laws, al-Kitab al-Aqdas. He addressed Kaiser Wilhelm I of Prussia (r. 1871-
88), reminding him of how ephemeral was earthly glory, giving the example of
his defeated enemy Napoleon III. Baha'u'llah foresaw that the banks of the
Rhine would be "covered with gore" and heard "the lamentations of Berlin"
(Muluk, pp. 250-51). The Prussian monarchy later perished in the defeat
inflicted on it in World War I. He rebuked the emperor Franz Joseph of Austria
for visiting Jerusalem but neglecting to inquire about Baha'u'llah while in the
Holy Land. He collectively addressed the monarchs and rulers presiding over
the territories of the Americas, urging them to recognize him, and to "bind ye
the broken with the hands of justice, and crush the oppressor who flourisheth
with the rod of the commandments of your Lord" (Muluk, 258; POB, 63). He
also collectively addressed the rulers of the earth in the Most Holy Book,
calling upon them to accept him as their spiritual sovereign (Muluk, pp. 262-
65).
Baha'u'llah took an increasingly dim view of absolute monarchy during
this period. Whereas he began by urging something like cabinet consultation on
Sultan Abdulaziz, he ended by predicting that in the future no one would accept
the task of ruling as monarch alone, that monarchy would survive, if at all, only
as constitutional monarchy. He wrote to Shaykh Salman soon after his exile in
Akka, "One of the signs of the maturity of the world is that no one will accept
to bear the weight of kingship. Kingship will remain with none willing to bear
alone its weight. That day will be the day whereon wisdom
will be manifested among mankind. Only in order to proclaim the Cause of
God and spread abroad his faith will anyone be willing to bear this grievous
weight"
Juan Cole

Investigating such a claim is the least anyone who takes Jesus and the Bible seriously can do in my opinion.
Since Baha'u'llah's passing in 1892 history has been unfolding as he had foretold, and all the places where he lived are still experiencing the turmoil and upheaval that his presence caused, such as Teheran, where he was born, Baghdad, where he was exiled and finally Israel, where he was imprisoned and died when it was still Palestine.

It took me a year to investigate before committing to believe in him.
Two world wars as well as globalization, are among the prophecies which have already been fulfilled.
An oppressive non-spiritual world government was also prophesied, before a purged humanity would finally witness the hoisting of the banner of world peace and the promised golden age in which the necessary system change will have been implemented.
I sincerely hope someone here will rise to the challenge and at least google and read some of "Baha'u'llah's letters to the kings".

[ulli]

Here is an example of Baha'u'llah's message, which sums up his entire mission, which is to end religious conflict on earth.

"They that are endued with sincerity and faithfulness should associate
with all the peoples and kindreds of the earth with joy and radiance,
inasmuch as consorting with people hath promoted and will continue to promote unity and concord, which in turn are conducive to the maintenance of order in the world and to the regeneration of nations.

Blessed are such as hold fast to the cord of kindliness and tender mercy and are free from animosity and hatred.
This Wronged One exhorteth the peoples of the world to observe tolerance and righteousness...."

[markpierre]

Posted by ulli (here)
This is for Jorr, who mentioned connecting the dots.

Wow. So he told the Pope to grow the f up. That would have been fun. He must have giggled himself to sleep that night. It'd be interesting
to know what the Pope thought of it all. I'll presume it ruffled some finery.

[ulli]

I doubt if Baha'u'llah was the type of person who giggled although there is historical evidence that he had a sense of humour.
As far as the Pope's response is concerned, I did some digging and found this Baha'i discussion forum where the letter to the Pope comes up in a post.
http://bahaiforums.com/interfaith/82...bahaullah.html

Baha'u'llah told the Pontiff bluntly that the "Father" had come had come as promised by the "Son," Jesus the Christ. He, Himself, Baha'u'llah said, was that Father.
The response was less than joyful.
Perhaps that attitude was understandable a hundred years ago. Regrettable, but understandable. The world head of any religion is not likely to be stirred to his depths when his position of eminence is challenged; especially by such a seemingly preposterous claim; written from a penal colony prison by a condemned Exile.
Caiaphas didn't go into spasms of ecstasy when Christ told him He was the "Son of God." And he met Jesus face to face. Instead, he called Christ a blasphemer.

We can imagine then the reaction generated by Baha'u'llah's letter to the Pope. No one even bothered to call Him a blasphemer, although His claim was even more presumptuous than Christ's. Nor did the Curia exhibit the annoyance and alarm which had been aroused among several of the kings.
Instead, a curtain of silence descended around the entire subject.

[markpierre]

Is giggling exclusive to only certain types of people? What if something is funny?

I know....this is a serious topic.

Yes the first 264 popes were reptilians, and this one is a crocodile.

[ulli]

Posted by markpierre (here)
Is giggling exclusive to only certain types of people? What if something is funny?

I know....this is a serious topic.

Yes the first 264 popes were reptilians, and this one is a crocodile.

I'm neither sure about reptilians nor giggling saints, except I know that the Mararishi TM guru was a giggler.
And that to me never felt quite right.
So you may have touched upon a nerve there.
I guess I associate giggling with the immaturity of school girls, while real maturity is expressed via a belly laugh, Buddha style.
But unlike most religious beliefs, it is a personal matter.

[9eagle9]

An example of how the invisible or 'unseen' world is created. We have hard time creating with physical matter, the seen world. We can create circumstances here or situations but most of us can't wish or think a chair for instance to simply organize itself into reality. If I am attempting to manifest a chair more than likely someone will just give me one that has already been created.
But anything that we have created materially here, houses, chairs, cars, all began with a thought of some sorts. Everything we have built on earth began with a thought. "Hey I think I'll build a wooden geometric apparatus to park my butt in"

A thought is of course unseen, invisible matter so to speak.

We can take a thought and create with it in the invisible world . Ego based thoughts and emotions are empty and can be assumed by archons, to be leveraged and manipulated. This is how the act of possession is intiated. It can minor or major. Some people are just obsessed with certain thoughts and even other people can manipulate them based on their obsession, their inability to not see anything other than what they are so tightly focused on.

There is a lot of emotion attached to these thoughts that keep them anchored. This is the simple (this is not in the least complex, mind) way in how archons attach themselves via one's thoughts and feelings.

Archons themselves cannot create they only assume, possess or repeat.

So there is world we are unconsciously interacting in. It mirrors this one. What the material world does is mirror back what is going on in this unseen world.

One learns to see this unseen world by observing the material world.

Archons can also implant thoughts, and they sound alien or unnatural.

You're sitting around with friends, having a beer, laughing and suddenly you have an idea that you should go in the bathroom and hang yourself. Or jump up and strangle one of your friends.

For those who are of little inner fortitude may do just that. We read about that in the paper ALL the time. People barging into schools and shooting all the staff and the kids. This is not natural human behavior. We are pissy and imperfect but that is not naturally occurring behavior. That is someone assumed or possesed by an alien thought form and brushed off as mental disease.

For the greater amount of the population people may become scared by 'their own thought' or otherwise attempt to rationalize or resist it. Neither is a good idea but better than the first reaction.

For others who have been up Insinuation Road before they do not have a fear response, (because its 'only' a thought) and shrug the thought off as meaningless and archonic or alien. That is where its power is cut off. The thought cannot be lent credence or importance or reality.

If you do not get sucked into the fear thought game listening (not heeding) archonic or alien thoughts can be very revealing--about yourself anyway.

They operate always a certain way, never deviating, and they EXPECT a certain reaction from people. Which is normally fear or awe (especially awe if they are fulfilling a thought-expectation from a person to lend 'reality' to that thought. they expect awe when they appear as angels for instance)

Living people engage in archonic activity all the time. Parents posing as Santa Claus is our first exposure to archonic interplay. To make us believe something.

How this scenario going back to obsessive thoughts. Ever had a person who had a unhealthy obsessive crush on you? How exhausted you feel when they are attempting to get your energy (attention). You don't feel flattered, exhalted, uplifted or inspired you feel exhausted--energy drain. To the point some very sensitive people 'know' when the obsessed person is thinking about them. If its obsessive its probably all the time. There is a lot of artificial emotion attached to this and that too is very off putting. It's even annoying because you know the person is not coming from a place of reality.

These obsessed suitors we find often have a distorted perception of us. So when they describe what they find appealing about you , you are left puzzled because they have not described you at all. They have built an ideal about you, may even put you on a pedestal, they have constructed a false (graven) image of you; unfortunately who you are is the one that gets the energy suck until one learns how to deal with such things. Espeically exhausting because they expect you fulfill this artificially constructed person they have built in their mind and imposed on you.

And we've seen friends and family do this, get obsessed with someone. You are looking at that 'someone' and see a right girt arsehole, but the other person is on bent knee singing arias to this perfection of a person. You may even observe this someone murdering kittens in broad daylight and the obsessed person will not see it, refuse or even turn it into a virtue.

We've all seen stuff like this but is really showing us somthing deeper.

That is archonic activity that happens in the unseen world mirroring itself back in the physical.

Google the word 'Tulpa' and see what one comes up with. This is a thoughtform, matter of the unseen world, that was brought to physical fullness by a individual.

Posted by markpierre (here)
All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

This lifted from a text from some definition from somewhere;
"for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented." makes perfect sense to me. 'Invented' seems like the operative.
Made up. Make believe. But convincing enough so that I believed it. Do I need to continue to? Or can I change my mind?
I'm a spirit that organized for me to be here and wake up every morning believing that I'm not necessarily in control of what's going to happen next.
That's a bit weird.

Posted by justoneman (here)
I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences.
justone

My god I so relate. Try this for a sec; consider how they changed you. Not your opinions or beliefs, though they may have. But how they changed you fundamentally,
so that you experience yourself as different now than before them, or closer to the truth of you. Interesting to imagine, but play with it.
You can interpret anything and everything as nothing other than that. Really, you can. Not saying that's 'the way' or anything, but it helps me.
After I've had a coffee.

[Katari Rose]

Here is a blog I wrote about my perception of Jesus, I think it is similar to Asheanna Deanne's perspective. Of course, we share a similar background so it is to be expected My desire is not to convince anyone of anything, just share how it is perceived by me, thank you!

http://wp.me/p2lmRd-3k

[shadowstalker]

All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

We all feel that way, till we learn something new then we realize how much we don't know.
Keep an open mind and keep searching for the new you, i'll bet you never knew that that person ever existed...

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Hi Daughter of Time - apologies if I mis-communicated... sometimes posts can do that. I was a wee bit concerned that I had given an impression that I deemed all types of non phyiscal human intelligence contact as malevolent.

I had entertained that concern even recently, and so I thought perhaps you picked up on those considerations and I was clarifying where I stand on all that now.

I was really happy with your posted consideration about Yeshua perhaps an ED/human hybred as I have always considered that as a quite possible explanation.

Again, apologies if other impressions were made.

Thanks again for your posts and also your posts on the Horus-Ra thread.

Justone,

No need to apologize.

No offence taken.

Cheers!

[justoneman]

Posted by Katari Rose (here)
Here is a blog I wrote about my perception of Jesus, I think it is similar to Asheanna Deanne's perspective. Of course, we share a similar background so it is to be expected My desire is not to convince anyone of anything, just share how it is perceived by me, thank you!

http://wp.me/p2lmRd-3k

Hi Katari Rose - thanks for the blog! Quite complex but I was pulled in and up rose some questions

Can you please expand on the roll Sirains have played and may still play in this saga (from your perspective).

Also, also are there more than one Sirian group and if so can you brifly cover each group?

Thanks - justoneman

[DeDukshyn]

hi JustOneMan,

Here is my quick 2 cents:

Jesus did perform most of the "miracles" of legend, they were just acts of advanced manifestations. His consciousness was evolved to the point of few before and likely none-after. When one reaches that state (or even a lesser one) of enlightenment he/she is so connected in such a way that they have access to all sorts of information and communion with "other" beings. Many of what we would call "Alien".

Jesus was the "man" -- "Christ" is in reference to the consciousness that he had access to, due to his own extremely well developed and advanced consciousness -- in another sense - he overcame his Ego -- The Christ consciousness actually spoke through him. Human biology is such that we all have this capability - Jesus said so himself and his only desire was to be able to bring that out in each of us. The "church" will tell you that this is not possible because he was "GOD" and we are "lowly man". But the words of Christ himself refute this as they refute many of the teachings of the "church".

So I would agree, he definitely had ability to draw upon sources from many places, and likely conversed with many beings invisible to our eyes - some of which we might call "aliens"

My 2 cents (while keeping this as simple as possible)

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
All this stuff about Archons is new to me. I find it fascinating. Hell, how did that all slip past me? I thought I was pretty well educated. Anyway thanks.

We all feel that way, till we learn something new then we realize how much we don't know.
Keep an open mind and keep searching for the new you, i'll bet you never knew that that person ever existed...

Im glad you stumbled into this adventure. LOL


Try this thread as a starter


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...luminous-child


All is well


Jorr

[justoneman]

Not sure if this is interesting but with all the focus on the moon stuff lately, with the Ingo Swan book brought to my attention by Amzer Zo or by observer... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci..._telepathy.htm
That David Icke is now focusing on the Moon (as well as Saturn) and with the premise put forth by the authors of Who Built the Moon... well my uncle (who passed away in the early 80s - when I was perhaps 24 years old) was a friend of Alan Bean. Alan Bean was the pilot of the Lunar Landing Module for the Apollo 12 mission to the Moon, the second mission that landed on the Moon.

About 6 weeks ago, I decided to contact Mr. Bean such that he might share with me about my uncle. I was able to speak with him for a good 15 minutes and he seems like a great guy and he remembered my uncle Gil real well, etc. After a bit, I couldn't help myself from asking him about UFOs etc. His response surprised me and sort of saddened me.

He stated emphatically no and then told me that if there was any truth to any of it, the government would have informed us. Then he said, "I have to get back to my painting now," and quickly the phone call ended.

On another note but related to stories of alien abduction, when I was young and up until my early teens, I had quite a bit of nosebleeds. They occurred would occur for almost no reason. I am now 54 and have had no recurring nosebleeds since that time... until April 26th this year, starting the day after I read wynderers abduction experience thread which she mentions nosebleeds. I suddenly had three over the course of the next few days. Then they went away. And then last night I have a dream about glasses filled with diluted blood (what the blood was diluted by I do not know) but blood that later in the dream I saw coming from my own urination.

Then, just tonight right after I finished dinner and bent down to turn off a floor fan and blood started dripping from my nose.

If I have been abducted (some of you may have read my recounting of "my experience when 6 years old" thread) it is possible that the anomaly is occurring again and that the nosebleeds when I was young and the recent nosebleeds are connected.

Now, I don't know if any of this is true or simply an overactive imagination. But it is clear I have been going majorly public about my experiences the last few months and that I pretty much don't give a damn what they might try and do to me anymore.

Considering the possibility that Earth is a loosh farm which, when you read the recent posts in this very thread, my other Jesus thread and Houman's Horus-Ra thread, especially some from Amzer Zo and observer, I am pretty much on board that the speculations made have a good chance of being true.

justone

[GoingOn]

justoneman -- I admire your courage in speaking your truth publicly.

Perhaps the nosebleeds are not new abductions, not an overactive imagination, but a physical means of demonstrating you've dropped a large part of programming? It sounds odd, but maybe the physical body has a hard time releasing certain programs. Like how people often replace one physical habit (such as eating for comfort) with a different physical habit (such as having a drink of water). If this option doesn't fit for you, please discard it.

If this is de-railing the thread, as it doesn't relate directly to the stated topic, please let me know and I will attempt to remove this post.

[justoneman]

Posted by GoingOn (here)
justoneman -- I admire your courage in speaking your truth publicly.

Perhaps the nosebleeds are not new abductions, not an overactive imagination, but a physical means of demonstrating you've dropped a large part of programming? It sounds odd, but maybe the physical body has a hard time releasing certain programs. Like how people often replace one physical habit (such as eating for comfort) with a different physical habit (such as having a drink of water). If this option doesn't fit for you, please discard it.

If this is de-railing the thread, as it doesn't relate directly to the stated topic, please let me know and I will attempt to remove this post.

Thanks for the post... clearly your intentions are honorable. I can't wait to get regressed (May 4th). Regardless of what comes out of it - even if he discovers I am full of BS and have never been targeted by any level of the Archontic structure I will post the results. I am only in search of the truth.

I will add this - twice last week I experienced some weird heart area chest pains, I am 54 and my grandfather on my Dad's side had heart attacks starting in his 50s and one killed him at age 65.

And I don't really care. I am so ready to get outa here in so many ways but having said that, because of my recent discoveries which lead me to believe I have been targeted since I was 6 and now that I have begun to reclaim my soul, I wake up every day excited about life, excited I may see my sons or visit my wife on Skype (she is in Medellin Colombia with her daughter and we have to live apart right now)... and I am excited I am getting to the bottom of what I am pretty certain now has happened to me. And I am excited about that at a deep level of self, I likely opened myself to my experiences which means I am in no way a past victim nor if these forces continue to attempt to screw with me am I a victim in that scenario today.

Will be very interesting to see what Mark Johnson gets outa me 10 days from now.