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    A comparative analysis of the circumstances surrounding John E Mack's 'accident' in the context of other possible masonic 'campaigns'.

    "The ridicule of these individuals and the dismissal of their stories has profound moral implications. A society cannot long survive if its truth tellers are rejected. I believe these witnesses are truthful, regardless of the fact that what they are talking about can't be true from the dominant materialist worldview. And their dismissal does make them a kind of suppressed minority. I began to see that the outright dismissal of the testimony of reliable witnessess was because what they reported wasn't consistent with the dominant worldview."

    - John Edward Mack, M.D. (Oct 4, 1929 – Sep 27, 2004)
    Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer and Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.
    (non-Freemason or ex-Freemason?)

    Ever since I heard the story about John E Mack getting killed by a 'drunken' driver, the story has never sat well with me. I have a statistical background (not that it makes me special) but it does make me look at things different then the average person. I can't help but create a visual distribution of 'event's in my mind... and other distracting things)

    There are some interesting aspects to this story that I never see discussed or talked about. John E Mack was highly intelligent, credentialed, understood scientific methodology, and clearly knew how to diagnose all manner of psychological phenomena. He was also willing to go public and stand by his research. This made him a huge risk to the PTB. He was clearly making inroads, opening up the field, creating awareness, (just watched the Oprah interview - 1994)

    Rare Dr John Mack TV Appearance Part: 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ufuNtpQd0

    Rare Dr John Mack TV Appearance Part: 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnZfM...feature=relmfu

    Rare Dr John Mack TV Appearance Part: 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f96VP...feature=relmfu

    and his book was an instant best seller (just before he died). The rate of his movement in the media could be described as fast becoming meteoric, as he began to establish a name for himself.

    I would dare say that few could have used the typical standard techniques of ridicule and criticism on him that seem to work so successfully on the majority of people that try to come out. The man was a psychiatrist! The University went to great lengths to threaten him, to take away his tenure, to ruin him by destroying his reputation and character and after a great deal of struggle and legal battle he fought them back, barely surviving.

    There was no question at that point he was perceived as an even greater threat. He could have made a difference. He could have brought this into main stream awareness. He could have presented this information in a manner that not even the scientific community could have refuted. He character was honourable, solid, his credentials were impeccable. His life was a testimony of scientific integrity.

    What is also interesting is that the man who killed him has never received any [legitimate] attention in the media it seems. I find this strange, usually there is a lot more detailed information, [but in this case, barely a name, no occupation, no history, or context] etc.

    [Update: we have his name and age (thanks bmdb) (which is an amazingly similar pattern as Lady Di's butler's assailant; approx 50 yrs old, Eastern European, not responsible for their actions, treated with great 'sensitivity and leniency' and minimal punishment - one has to admit this is yet another 'coincidence') I wonder is it possible, these people fit into some kind of demographic? is there a criminal element? i.e. more easily 'coerced' due to past record? paperwork or citizen status? which in turn affects their financial situation? anyone who is an 'immigrant' understands the subtle but different treatment I speak of. And unbelievably, somehow Mack's family was convinced that it was neither "malicious nor intentional" - again, when is that ever taken into consideration let alone 'highlighted' in a drinking/driving case? since when did the courts reek of such 'goodwill and generosity' ??? These people weren't rich, elites or super celebrities, able to sway the courts, they would have been perceived as 'nobodies' the kind of people the courts salivate at the chance to chew up and spit out. This just isn't how the courts refer to 'drunk drivers', they are demonized, disgraced and ostracized for their debauchery and irresponsibility in order to justify a heavy fine $$$ and a punishing sentence.

    One would think the courts were given to some kind of heartfelt sentimentality. If you look closely this just doesn't fit. I also truly didn't know what the charge was at the time of writing (see other's comments), but this is exactly consistent with my theory. Completely out of context and unusual at the least, especially in light of the particular individual they just killed. When you're dealing with Freemasons from top to bottom (more on this below), can you really believe anything that you are seeing? there are good reasons not to underestimate how their system operates...]

    In this most infamous case, we barely get the story that he was a 'drunk' driver, and then really nothing more [or very minimal]. Regardless this fact, given all the above information, the likelihood that after surviving and winning a vicious legal battle with the university, several TV interviews, and a best selling book on the horizon, and then just coming out of a UFO convention, that he immediately gets run over by an 'immigrant drunk driver'. This should be considered as a highly improbable event in and of itself and should at the very least be considered suspect under these circumstances.

    The University showed that it was willing to expend considerable resources to try to take away his tenure and ruin his life, they weren't satisfied with just trying to ridicule him. There is no question their attack was pointed and vicious. By now we should all know that the upper echelons of Universities as well as Police Depts (and many other 'public' institutions) are controlled by Freemason Secret Society groups, etc. That is why anyone who tries to study paranormal phenomena, Bigfoots (genetic issue as per Lloyd Pye), 'pre-historical' archeology (as per Cremo & Thompson) or anything that would expose the truth about man and the true nature of his origins, is immediately attacked. Even though there are mountains of evidence bursting at the seems to validate all these phenomena. But these things just aren't allowed in their matrix. I don't think people can grasp just how pervasive these secret societies are today, how influential they are, how tied into positions of power, such that they are a form of underground syndicate, and when needs be they can operate as a criminal syndicate if they so please. How is this possible?

    Take for example, I have a friend, who lives and works in the suburban part of a large city in Canada, and has worked for the Fire Dept for over 30 years. He is a typical 'white Anglo Saxon' a wonderful person by all accounts, (although I find he has this almost naive quality, but I will get into that a little later...) Anyhow, he knows about my 'conspiratorial leanings' and we have some interesting conversations on occasions. One time on a lark, I jokingly asked him why he wasn't a Freemason. At first he played coy, so I pushed it a little more and said something like "come on, there has to be some Freemason's where you work, hasn't anyone ever approached you?" and finally he admitted that yes! they had approached him, and he had turned down the offer! Even though I trust in my intuition and was simply trying to confirm my speculation, I was still quite impressed by this... So I inquired further... "Well how many of your bosses would you say are Freemasons?" Now this question confused him, and at first I didn't understand why, after all it was a straightforward question (or so I thought)... he was having difficulty and I kept pushing him and he finally said "how many? ALL of them, ALL the higher ups, as well as many below them are Freemasons..." That is when the implications of what he was saying really hit me. This isn't just 'an isolated incident', far from it. This is more like the 'tip of the iceberg'. Here is a guy who has worked in the presence of these 'Secret Society' types for decades, had been offered, and turned them down (much to his credit btw) However that means that although they may not necessarily perceive him as a threat, they still had to regard him as an 'outsider', not privy to their other 'business' for. Yet he works with them everyday, is literally surrounded by Freemasons who are essentially operating an invisible network around him.

    There is no doubt in my mind that over the years there may very well have been a number of subtle mind control techniques they 'played' on him. Not so much for any nefarious purpose, but as a matter of procedure, in the sense that in all the time that he was working under those conditions, the information that he was privy to, never seemed unusual to him. He knew they were Freemasons, he knew how they employed questionable tactics in their 'self promotion' for example and knew enough to turn down their offer... but can you imagine what it would be like to have to work under those circumstances? to turn down the easy opportunities for advancement? to be kept outside certain circles? to be surrounded by people who maintained a second level of social organization right in front of your face each day? The more I think about it the more respect I have for my friend, I know he hasn't had it easy. Yet it never seemed to dawn on him to think further about it, or even to share it with us... even when prompted... there was some subtle tendency in him that he 'preferred' NOT to talk about them even though he would engage me on any number of other 'conspiracy' related topics... I have no doubt that they applied some 'systematic approach' on him over the years to create this... there is alot more to this but I hope you get the gist of it... these things go on all around us... and they ARE literally 'hidden in plain sight'

    How many people knew that 90 to 100% of all Police Depts, Fire Depts, Governmental Depts, Administrative Depts of Universities and Hospitals, etc are saturated with Freemasons? Who knew that Building 7 was going down and a 'police officer' was heard counting down to zero before the collapse and that they were herding people away from the sight TELLING them the building was coming down!? Or have considered the implications of what this means? Most people will never know, they may have strange experiences or witness unusual events but simply dismiss them, unable to put their finger on what just transpired.

    I hope that you are all getting the implications of what I am trying to get at here, these people are sophisticated, the purpose of their groups is maintaining secrets. Which in my opinion by definition is a form of Satanism from get go, because it violates the principle of truth from the start, not so much because they wish to exercise privacy, the most important element in the judgement of any crime is the intention, and we all know what their ultimate intentions are, besides self promoting all their friends into comfy government positions controlling the levers of power. And what lengths they will go through to keep those secrets (ie. in order to keep secrets one must inevitably lie and exercise all manner of deceptions) One is 'compromised' the minute one 'accepts' their existence, let alone joins them. And by embracing such beliefs one can't help becoming very adept at practicing the 'art of deception' while 'hiding things in plain sight'... they are absolute masters in fact, that is 'what they do'.

    Now not to go too far off topic, but can you see why these types of organizations would be ideal targets to be infiltrated by 'Satanic' organizations?. And that is assuming they started with good intentions from the beginning which as I study more, I highly question that as well.

    Now although this may seem a little off topic, it is actually the context perhaps that is needed to see what is potentially going on here... If my friend can casually relate to me that EVERY SINGLE person of position in his little Fire Dept, in an out of the way suburb in this large Canadian city IS a Freemason without exception, that's 100% ... how about the Police Depts? No question there, goes without saying, And clearly we have seen the Universities and how the attacks on non-abiding scientists who disagreed with the Carbon Tax scheme, (another elite money grab) were ostracized and demoted and marginalized, by whom? Those higher up in the University of course. And on and on it goes. How about the Administration Depts of Hospitals? Yep,again my mind has no problem extending the probabilities, my friend's direct observation is unquestionably the tip of an iceberg. An invisible iceberg, with it's remaining portion equally hidden... out of sight, out of mind, simple formula. I wonder if anyone has ever considered what happens when a secretive societal order reaches a level of saturation on this scale and gets embedded in our public institutions? What are the implications for the rest of us living in the shadow of this mafia network organization? Canada is a strong Freemason stronghold. Image what it is like in England? And where was the good Dr when he was run over? ... the heart of Mordor... London, England itself.

    How about another example, take the Oslo Killer. A simple cursory analysis and some good research exposed the following about him. It was found out from his income tax he went from having no income to speak of to becoming fabulously wealthy from one year to the next, just a year or two before his murder orgy. He had recently moved out of some meager apt and purchased and moved onto a sprawling farm in the country. We know he was a Freemason. He has even testified on record that he was part of a Secret Society! Btw he used a technique that was witnessed in the Kennedy Assassination (ie. dressing as a police officer, who then changed into civilian clothing) (search 'Evidence Of Revision') The Main Stream Media was making claims of 'Islamic Terrorists' immediately after it hit the air with obviously NO evidence whatsoever (just like 911)

    Our Killer was supposed to kill people and remove his uniform and blend in with the crowd, who would suspect such a clean cut handsome young Norwegian, while the media is blasting to be on the lookout for a Muslim Terrorist!? This has the makings of a staged event, magicians trick, or slight of hand (majik) I have even heard since then there may be indications others were involved. But something went undone, he obviously lost balance somewhere along the line. But no problem, back up plans were already well under way (his behaviour indicated he thought he was going to be 'looked after'...) We also know the MSM removed or greatly downplayed the information about his affiliation by the time it reached the MSM in Canada and the US (and other countries I'm sure) He was now no longer a proud Freemason, but was now relabeled as a 'radical fundamentalist Christian' (more slight of hand) (take note how after the initial 'distraction' of relabeling him as 'fundamentalist Christian' served it's purpose of deflecting attention away from the Freemason connection, it has now ironically faded away as the court case proceeds...) They also manage to avoid making any reference to his unmistakable financial records which would have been ample evidence of an entirely different story. And most recently they have 'dismissed' his claims regarding the 'secret organizations' he specifically admitted to. Do you see a pattern here? Are these 'professionals' dull? dimwitted? lacking insight? (or just following a different script?)

    While I'm on it, another interesting bit, he even stated on the record, he "doesn't 'recognize' the court..." something only a Freemason would understand enough to say or 'Commercial Redemption' student might know about. (not that it would make a difference in his case)

    Now with this context in mind, I hope to shed some light on what appears to be slightly hidden to my fellow forum members. Why hasn't anyone looked more closely at who the driver was in John Mack's death? or more precisely who might have been his handler? We were being led to believe that there is no reason to look too closely or ponder it too much. But closer examination reveals some evidence to the contrary. All I can find is a 'Police Officer' arrested someone and confirmed he was a 'drunk' driver? [minimal details] almost no context that would focus our attention on this man's past history, legal or financial records, character, etc. This does not sound like a randomly occurring event to me. Does anyone know or have a way to find out more about this driver? I would like to know more about this man, like those very smart people who did the income tax research and property purchases on the "Oslo Killer".

    If 'they' identified John Mack as a threat which the record shows 'they' clearly did. And if they did want to plan his death. The highest concentration of 'Freemason operatives' would undoubtedly be in London and if anyone has watched Chris Everard's "Lady Die" - auto accidents are one of their favourite techniques for 'eliminating' victims. How difficult would it be for an 'enlisted' agent to have a drink or two before committing his 'crime'? It would be the perfect diversion, and provide a 'backdoor'... ie. to be essentially treated with 'kid gloves' by the same system that enlisted him? The perfect foil! as it completely misdirects the public away from any suspicion. (unless of course if someone decided to find out more about this 'drunk' driver.) The "alcohol on his breath" was a ruse, a cover, a clever bit of misdirection.

    Combine that with the limited media attention on him but instead it is placed on the family, (they must have felt like they were under some kind of philosophical spot light, as if their character was being judged) ...this is how they 'managed' to ease their 'agent' out the 'back door'. Somehow a 'media vacuum' was created around the perpetrator, and the focus became how honourable the Mack family was going to be? Is this subtle or what!? Honestly, how many people suspected the possibility there could be anything more to it? how many already turned off the more critical thinking option at the key word 'drunk driver', as if that couldn't be easily orchestrated, what could be easier? Almost too simple, as all riddles are, after you have been told the answer..

    The fact is WE know that this very type of thing IS very possible and there is (for now) absolutely nothing to indicate the above scenario didn't happen, and statistically, it is more likely that that is in fact WHAT DID HAPPEN. Repeat, it is MORE probable that the incredible series of events which occurred were NOT random as opposed to being random. If someone could collect the right data and crunch the numbers I can assure you that is what the math would tell us.

    Can anyone find information on the driver? who was he? what did he get charged with?, what was his sentence? what was his past? his occupation? his affiliations? [past record?] where is he now? Technically it should all be a matter of public record right?

    Thank you...
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    Default Re: The man who got away: the 'drunk' driver that killed John Mack

    Quote Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

    Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.
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    Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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    Quote Posted by bmdb (here)
    Quote Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

    Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.
    Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html

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    I was always suspicious of his death as well. My gut tells me that the 'drunk driver' wasn't really drunk and was probably hired to do the job and was paid to serve a sentence.
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    Quote Posted by nearing (here)
    I was always suspicious of his death as well. My gut tells me that the 'drunk driver' wasn't really drunk and was probably hired to do the job and was paid to serve a sentence.
    I am sure he was 'drunk' ie. there would be alcohol on his breath and in his blood, there would be witnesses, but what does that prove? that doesn't mean he couldn't drive a vehicle and run someone over. In fact it might even make the job easier.
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    A jail term of 15 months? For killing somebody? What a joke!

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    Quote Posted by gypsybutterflykiss (here)
    Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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    Quote Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

    Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.
    Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html
    Interesting, Paul Burrell, Lady Di's Butler, who tried to save some of her personal belongings from being destroyed by the Queen and her sister in law (I think, according to Chris Everard) had his store fire-bombed by a 'mentally ill' Bulgarian National who couldn't be charged as he was found 'unfit' to stand trial, and I think a previous security guard she may have had an affair with had a tragic 'car accident' as well, it's amazing how these 'eastern european 'crazies' just pop out of the woodwork at these timely moments... even the Queen herself made reference to "dark and mysterious forces"

    here's a quote, what's weird is they just kept getting more and more 'lenient' with him...

    "Mitev, 50, of Wood Green, London, had been due to face a criminal trial earlier this year but was found unfit to plea by Judge Elgan Edwards, Recorder of Chester. This meant he couldn't be jailed but could be detained in hospital after a jury at Chester Crown Court found the case against him proved. However, Judge Edwards, considering sentencing on Friday, ruled out a hospital order in favour of a supervision order after taking into account the latest medical evidence."

    Now let's think about this, insane or not (not) - this guy has got such a 'hate on' that he firebombs a store, and also calls up Burrell and tells him that he has 'kidnapped' his wife, on top of that just for dramatic effect Burrell even stated he heard a woman's voice in the background 'crying' ...pretty detailed props for a 'crazy' I would say, and even if he did actually 'orchestrate' such a charade, that would make him psychologically cruel in the least and dangerously pathological in the worst case. The judge's response doesn't make any sense within this context, which he completely overlooks, and gives the guy the absolute minimum... supervision? and the icing on the cake is they have Burrell arrested (no leniency) and they have the press set on destroying his life as well

    Maybe it is just me, but I just don't trust cops, lawyers, judges, even doctors today,
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    Quote Posted by gypsybutterflykiss (here)
    Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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    Quote Posted by bmdb (here)
    Quote Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

    Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.
    Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html
    15 months for taking a human life, and the usual term is about one third, if it is anything like in Canada, so maybe half a year? Do you think it is possible the lawyers had any influence on this arrangement?
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    At the time it happened I was reading Paola Harris' post about how she was so shocked at the way Dr. Mack was crossing the roads
    when he met with her in Rome she thought at the time 'this guy is going to be run over one day'.
    So she was convinced it was a real accident, nothing staged.

    When I brought up what she had said during a conversation I had with Dr. Brian O'Leary
    he became quite emotional and nearly raised his voice and said: "Of course, they killed him.
    They chose the accidental driver thing because they always study their victim's behavior
    before they do it to make it look more real."
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    Or... the very fact the driver was DUI made it easy for puppeteers to drive him and his vehicle around... the very thing J.E. Mack was spilling the beans about.

    See this post and about the whole thread it's in.
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    As far as prison terms go in Canada for the same crime, it's a joke too. Yes, I do believe that lawyers did influence this arrangement, if not the judge himself.

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    At the time it happened I was reading Paola Harris' post about how she was so shocked at the way Dr. Mack was crossing the roads
    when he met with her in Rome she thought at the time 'this guy is going to be run over one day'.
    So she was convinced it was a real accident, nothing staged.

    When I brought up what she had said during a conversation I had with Dr. Brian O'Leary
    he became quite emotional and nearly raised his voice and said: "Of course, they killed him.
    They chose the accidental driver thing because they always study their victim's behavior
    before they do it to make it look more real."
    For what it's worth.
    thanks for that Ulli... there's no question I agree with Dr O'Leary, brilliant insight on his part, and he has written a book on the subject if I'm not mistaken, perfect example of how the answer is contained in the 'puzzle'... makes absolutely perfect sense...

    Dr Mack was brilliant, but there may have been some naivety, look at the kind of privileged life he lead, he was a scientist, an analytical thinker, a problem solver, world renowned, he knew he had the scientific acumen to apply a level of scientific methodology to this phenomena in a manner that would be very compelling, his adversaries were no doubt aware of this too. I don't think he was considering why this hadn't been done before, I don't think he was focusing too much on the conspiratorial aspect, he was focused on the science, working furiously to bring this to the public.

    A legal/intellectual attack would be in his ball court, but being an assassination target, how could he know that what he was onto would be that hot?, again, I think the real threat was his undisputed credibility. That was bullet proof, he looked to be one of those rare souls with an incredible intellectual constitution. An achiever, there is no doubt he would have successfully brought this into the mainstream awareness.

    Sagan (a famous outspoken critic, at the time) knew his credibility was on the line,

    Dr. John E. Mack exposes Carl Sagan on alien contactees
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDA136FKVgk

    he would have been one of the first people to be made a complete fool of... Think of the implications, think how long the line of people who would have been exposed, NASA, the astronauts (Freemasons), the Vatican (still positioning themselves...) talk about a hornet's nest.
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    We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail.

    Really? if someone ran over your mother or father (or even yourself) I am sure this is how all of you would feel too right? I have directly seen lawyers, over a period of several months, literally talk their client (a relative) into paying thousands of dollars to an insurance company when at the pre-trial, it was clearly stated there was no evidence, no witnesses and the insurance company didn't even send a lawyer (hint hint), but only a representative (as they knew they had no case) And when I pointed this out to my relative and questioned his own lawyer I found out within 10 minutes that the lawyer had not mentioned any of these factors to him and for several months had withheld a letter written by a key party that would have further proven his innocence. This same lawyer had insisted on telling him to 'let him look after it' for the several months. And was encouraging this relative to pay several thousands to the insurance company and himself. Unfortunately this relative was so enamoured with the attention the 'important' lawyer was showering on him, that he was completely mesmerized. I have seen this happen to many people when an 'important' lawyer is talking to them. There was no question the lawyer was colluding with the insurance company explaining how brilliantly naive my relative was!
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    Thanks.

    He was a genuinely brave and nice man. I was very suspicious when I heard of his death.

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    I intend to investigate Dr Mack`s death as I live in London and have just retired and now have the time thank You for this post it has given me somewhere to start

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    Quote Posted by sigma6 (here)
    Quote Posted by gypsybutterflykiss (here)
    Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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    You must've posted this just as I was posting
    Quote Posted by bmdb (here)
    Quote Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

    Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.
    Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html
    15 months for taking a human life, and the usual term is about one third, if it is anything like in Canada, so maybe half a year? Do you think it is possible the lawyers had any influence on this arrangement?
    no, no lawyers arangements for lenient sentences. In Canada, sentences are very tiny for drunk driving, this is a regular sentence that is given to drunk drivers killing people. There is actually some social movements trying to change this, at least for multiple offenders (yes, multiiple killings while drunk driving), in Quebec. If you are a drunkard and want to drive whomever you put at risk is irrelevant, you better do it in Canada....
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    Default Re: The man who got away: the 'drunk' driver that killed John Mack

    When I saw this 'thread' all I could think about was the Daniel Boone (Theme Song)

    So naturally I replaced Daniel Boone's name with John Mack's...

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    John Mack was a man,
    Yes, a big man!
    With an eye like an eagle
    And as tall as a mountain was he!

    John Mack was a man,
    Yes, a big man!
    He was brave, he was fearless
    And as tough as a mighty oak tree!

    From the coonskin cap on the top of ol' John
    To the heel of his rawhide shoe;
    The rippin'est, roarin'est, fightin'est man
    The frontier ever knew!

    John Mack was a man,
    Yes, a big man!
    And he fought for America
    To make all Americans free!

    What a Mack, what a do-er,
    What a dream come-er true-er was he!
    Sounded 'Right' to me...

    PS - For the Record - I thought John Mack was 'Suicided by the PTB' the second I heard the news of his untimely death..!

    R.I.P
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    What is really impressive is the lengths that the PTB will go to safeguard true truth of reality.

    Those that try and report true reality are killed.

    The masters who control the "real reality" are so skilled that they can crush us like a bug and get away with it.

    awareness is amazing, and it is always great to keep in mind.....Life is an amusement park.

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    Quote I intend to investigate Dr Mack`s death as I live in London and have just retired and now have the time thank You for this post it has given me somewhere to start
    Philip Kain
    I am glad this has struck a cord, I can't get it out of my mind, and looking back, the man had so much character, it really haunts me for some reason, I think Ulli's comment about her conversation with Dr. Brian O'Leary is the most incisive statement I was looking for and summarizes it like no other...

    Quote When I brought up what she had said during a conversation I had with Dr. Brian O'Leary he became quite emotional and nearly raised his voice and said: "Of course, they killed him. They chose the accidental driver thing because they always study their victim's behavior before they do it to make it look more real."

    Quote I was reading Paola Harris' post about how she was so shocked at the way Dr. Mack was crossing the roads when he met with her in Rome she thought at the time 'this guy is going to be run over one day'. So she was convinced it was a real accident, nothing staged.
    - in this part, I question Paola Harris' unusual naivete in this particular observation' ... think about it this way... (I have finally seen the 'logical flaw' in this line of thought) ok, so he is a typical 'New Yorker', and has a tendency to navigate traffic a little more fearlessly then typical pedestrians, I can totally relate as I do this myself. But I find that others are actually being overly fearful and their perception of my behaviour is more subjective than anything, in any event, the car he now gets run over by, just ALSO happens to be a 'drunk' driver... too 'convenient' AND he gets the 'lenient' treatment? Let's not forget from the University to the cops to the judge, you have the potential of a solid chain of Freemasons... and that in my opinion is why they are DANGEROUS.

    Again probabalistically, it is to say someone calls in to work and says they are sick and can't come in, then go on to say they have a massive migraine headache, AND a terrible stomach flu, AND they are suffering dizzy spells... it's called OVERKILL, it's a bit of a giveaway. I think it would have been LESS suspect if he was just 'run over' but no, it was a 'drunk' driver, an immigrant with questionable credentials 'drunk' driver...
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