David Wilcock's False Predictions

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Besides, there´s a clear deadline involved here, which is 2012, enabling us to take concrete, tangible conclusions out of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

I'm sure when we crawl out of bed on December 22nd, 2012 and we are all still here and can still pick a scab and bleed red, a new theory will be born shortly thereafter about how the calendar and mathematical experts somehow made a mistake in their calculations and 12-21-2013 will become the new targeted date of "ascension" lol!

Personally I do not believe for a second that the "shift" or "ascension" happens over night so to speak. If we are transformed in to some type of "super being", then what? Is that all there is and nothing more? Is there also trials and tribulations there too that we must get through to ascend from there in to another place to be "extra super super beings?".....

I think we as a species are only on the cusp of knowing of what being a super super being is all about, look about you.....we can't even take care of ourselves and others right now, or keep our own "house" in order.....we have ourselves and basically the whole planet in a state of near total chaos.......but yet we have earned the right to VERY soon be turned in to some kind of special super super being of the highest order???? give me a breakl!

Added: sorry to be so "negative"

[Carmody]

"The 3D body and brain does not have the "bandwidth" to handle anywhere near the amount of energy required to run a fourth-density body, never mind the Higher Self. This is why the transition into a fourth-density body, which we call "Ascension," necessitates the transmutation of the physical body."

Yes, that.... as a terminal limit on human physical mental wiring, is somewhere around 250-270, as standard IQ scales are used and enacted.

'Marie Vos Savant', in the books at 257IQ, a number high enough that the weather, health, what she's been eating, astrological conditions, etc, all cause the number to vary by 30 IQ points, or more. Notably more. LSD is on the books as raising IQ by about 20% on average. Note that it works on cross wiring the mind and was very early on a product tied to the CIA and programming of minds.

When we drop the separation of the conscious and sub or super conscious state, or what have you..if the given person is capable, then we get the total package. Which, in a well developed avatar and attached being, terminates at around that level.

This is indicated via cursory studies into hypnotism, psychic sensitivity.. and that of works like Micheal Newton, etc.

it comes down to that point of "When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot."

And this information, for those who rail against it, those folks are probably, at least... two steps back from the data point.

Thus, specifically on the point of human body avatar design and physical wiring and expression into this physical 3d space, His point is in my mind, and experiences ---correct.

Ascension as a subject, is not part of my point making, here. Please don't assume that. thanks.


The world cannot be explained to us, and have that be a solution. We have to grow up ---and into it.

And in many people it is an angry process, at best. That damn body avatar thing, getting it's way with the emotionally driven thinking patterns. And this is a core point of blockage in the individual. Over-amped emotions blocking the thought. Blocking the thinking, blocking the research, always desiring simple answers.

I mean, I could give you 10 pages to explain that simple remark, regarding bodily capacities and limits.

Go ahead, doubt, but read the information and the data before pronouncing it 'not good', or 'good'.

And also, most importantly...try to understand that a change in the self is required to process difficult information. The universe is not about me, nor it is about you. No matter how much our ego/avatars work to tell us so.

[RMorgan]

Carmody,

I agree with you on this one.

For some sort of ascension to happen (like Wilcock defines ascension) we would indeed need to transcend the physical body, or at least, go through significant genetic/physiological changes.

What I don´t believe, is that such thing will happen any time soon, mostly, because people are talking about it for more than 2000 years and it never happened.

Of course, there is a possibility that it could happen someday, but it could be tomorrow or 2000 years from now (or maybe never).

What I´m debating here, is that him, along with many other persons, has set a deadline for it, which is 2012. (He did the same in 2000 as well).

Since the basic foundation of his whole work is the 2012 theory, when/if it doesn´t happen, I´m sure his credibility will be damaged beyond repair.

You know, it takes a lot of time and efforts to build up credibility but it takes just a single major mistake to destroy it.

Anyway, I´ll say again that there´s no need to speculate about it, since we´re so close to make a final conclusion about the subject.

Regards,

Raf.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'd like to put my drink down long enough to point something out here.

There have been some good points made both supporting and detracting David and his work. Be sure that you distinguish the difference between the two. And I am not talking just about his book. Who he is as a personality is, in my opinion, not fair game for attack. Yes, that's hypocritical of me since I called Drake a liar. But hear me out.

David might be right about everything. David might be wrong about everything. David might be right about some things and wrong about others. That's totally allowed, isn't it?

Now then, if David is an intentional con man and you provide evidence why you think so, I think that's fair too. Just be careful not to use "He was wrong about such and such" as evidence for that. That's not fair. Lots of people of high integrity are wrong about stuff.

Finally, I have seen people saying that David's book is worthless or otherwise "bad" because he just cobbled together other people's work. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Compiling other people's work into a solid presentation and weaving it together with a few conclusions is a perfectly legitimate service. Lynne McTaggart's "The Field" is an excellent example. All McTaggart did was bring together other people's work into one place so it could be viewed together. And it's a fantastic book.

As I have been saying a lot lately, let's discuss and debate, but let's do it right. Mmmkay?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
What I don´t believe, is that such thing will happen any time soon, mostly, because people are talking about it for more than 2000 years and it never happened.

People of different traditions and cultures would disagree with you.

Examples-

Enoch, Ezekial, Christ, etc.
The rainbow body traditions in Buddhism
The Taoist Immortals.
The Ascended Masters of the Theosophoical traditions.

You see my point. Some of these traditions will also offer "proof" which reinforces their belief. I think Ascension theory would say that the "spiritual physics" of the Earth itself are changing to make this state easier to achieve and eventually we will all get there. It's not a new idea at all, but some speakers seem to act like they came up with it through their research.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
What I don´t believe, is that such thing will happen any time soon, mostly, because people are talking about it for more than 2000 years and it never happened.

People of different traditions and cultures would disagree with you.

Examples-

Enoch, Ezekial, Christ, etc.
The rainbow body traditions in Buddhism
The Taoist Immortals.
The Ascended Masters of the Theosophoical traditions.

You see my point. Some of these traditions will also offer "proof" which reinforces their belief. I think Ascension theory would say that the "spiritual physics" of the Earth itself are changing to make this state easier to achieve and eventually we will all get there. It's not a new idea at all, but some speakers seem to act like they came up with it through their research.

Hey mate,

I see your point. That´s why I´ve said I don´t believe it.

I respect every culture on Earth. However, believing or not believing, as far as I know, it didn´t happen yet.

Yes, it might happen, or maybe the whole human race will extinguish itself before it happens, or maybe we´ll still be here for another 2000 years and it might never happen.

It´s a complex and subjective subject. We could write a million pages about it and we would probably never reach a conclusion about it.

Is it a myth? Is it a prophecy that will happen someday? I don´t know.

The point is that, for (at least) the last 2000 years , people are setting dates for it and it never happened. So, at least statistically, the probabilities are against it.

If it happens someday, I guess it would take us by surprise and no one would have predicted the right date, if we consider that that predictions/fulfillment ratio for it is something like 1.000.000 - 0.

So, anyone who sells the idea of a certain date for ascension, at least statistically, is most probably wrong in his calculations/premises or is deliberately lying for a purpose.

Anyway, we´ll see...

Cheers,

Raf.

[Carmody]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Finally, I have seen people saying that David's book is worthless or otherwise "bad" because he just cobbled together other people's work. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Compiling other people's work into a solid presentation and weaving it together with a few conclusions is a perfectly legitimate service.

As a matter of fact, it is so valid, that it is at the core of the very nature of the universe. (one of the components thereof)

[SilentFeathers]

The real debate would be actually trying to explain how ascension is not the same thing as the rapture, but with a new age scientific twist....

Added: Isn't that what Wilcock is preaching in a round about way? the rapture with a new age scientific twist???? hmmm????

[RMorgan]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
The real debate would be actually trying to explain how ascension is not the same thing as the rapture, but with a new age scientific twist....

It´s exact the same phenomenon, the exact core concept, only described with different words to adapt to a different society and culture.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
The real debate would be actually trying to explain how ascension is not the same thing as the rapture, but with a new age scientific twist....

It´s exact the same phenomenon, the exact core concept, only described with different words to adapt to a different society and culture.

So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?"

[RMorgan]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?"

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not; it´s one of the oldest beliefs in history of mankind.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for an unlimited period of time or until the day when human race is extinguished.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
I'd like to put my drink down long enough to point something out here.

There have been some good points made both supporting and detracting David and his work. Be sure that you distinguish the difference between the two. And I am not talking just about his book. Who he is as a personality is, in my opinion, not fair game for attack. Yes, that's hypocritical of me since I called Drake a liar. But hear me out.

He as a personality is not fair game? Hmmm.
He has made a big deal about his personality... being the reincarnate of Cayce... seems he plays that card to the max

http://divinecosmos.com/about-david-wilcock


If a man tell me that the ascenion times are coming and hes on this movie screen all excited and happy and telling us to get ready and then tells us we can get all the details from the book he has just written and here is where you can get it and here is how much it costs... and then the event doen't even take place and then a few years later he says its ascenion time again and the whole movie replays.... well yes, his personality is fair game.

Remember that preacher ( H. Camping) to recently said the end of the world was gonna come last year and some people commited suicide? and when it didnt happen he backed down for a while (actually he had a stroke) but then he came out later and said it would be something like Oct 26, 2011. And that didn't happen either but a woman attempted to kill herself and her two children so they would not have to go through it?

far as I can see there is no difference between DW and Camping except Campings followers might be a tad more desparate. Both were wrong. Both deluded. When a back woods christian preacher does this type of stuff it is laughed off when DW does it it is something else? At least Camping was remorseful for misleading thousands, and as far as I know he wasn't selling any books, but im not sure on that one.

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
David might be right about everything. David might be wrong about everything. David might be right about some things and wrong about others. That's totally allowed, isn't it?

Now then, if David is an intentional con man and you provide evidence why you think so, I think that's fair too. Just be careful not to use "He was wrong about such and such" as evidence for that. That's not fair. Lots of people of high integrity are wrong about stuff.

I have no evidence that DW is an intentional con man. I put him in the same camp as Harold Camping. Harold is a delusional old fart. DW not so old.

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Finally, I have seen people saying that David's book is worthless or otherwise "bad" because he just cobbled together other people's work. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Compiling other people's work into a solid presentation and weaving it together with a few conclusions is a perfectly legitimate service. Lynne McTaggart's "The Field" is an excellent example. All McTaggart did was bring together other people's work into one place so it could be viewed together. And it's a fantastic book.

I would not say worthless but yet nothing really new. I would put it in the classification as spin. I guess I must admit to me they are worthless for I don't purchase them. I just can't keep up with all the books and after the first two that was it for me. I try to put my money where there is worth.

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
As I have been saying a lot lately, let's discuss and debate, but let's do it right. Mmmkay?

With this I think I will now pick up my drink.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?"

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one!

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead

[WhiteFeather]

With Regards to 2012 and Ascension: Indeed some of us are already going through this transformational process also known as the ascension process. And Dec. 21 2012 may just be the so called cyclic event date at 11:11 am. Here's a great definition of ascension by Lisa Renee. I suggest you read this info on transformation and the evolution of consciousness also known as ascension if you have time and an opened mind. Enjoy!

By Lisa Renee:
The purpose of this report is be to explore and to better understand the symptoms we may experience of our physical and energy bodies' "Ascension" (the awakening process), to describe it in detail and further explore various tools for clearing ourselves as smoothly and easily as possible. This article will review the meaning and mechanics of the "Ascension" and discuss the various symptoms that we as humans may encounter in our evolution process. We will share and investigate the symptoms and in future installments explore the impacts it has upon human beings, our planet and consciousness.

It is important to share this information in order to not feel a sense of isolation and fearfrom a myriad of possible unusual experiences that can result from the integration of our higher light-energy bodies that happens during our Ascension process.My desire to share this information comes from my very personal and frightening physical awakening process that dismantled my entire reality and ego in a very short period of time.

I share my experiences with anyone who may need this information as I have had many unusual, mystical and unexplainable manifestations appear in my life since my spontaneous “kundalini” release several years ago. As I had no guru, teacher or mentor to explain it to me, my ego was terrified that I was losing my mind along with my identity in the life I had known up to that point.

Who does one call upon for the "kundalini" flu? Who on Earth do you talkto when you are introduced to other dimensional beings in an organized spiritual hierarchy?

Further, I have had many physical ailments show up during times when the divine force was increased and activated within me. At the time I was most blessed and had teams of Angels and Masters around me, I was emotionally devastated and physically ill as it was exacerbated from my lack of comprehension of what was transpiring.

Now I want to share my experiences to assist anyone who may need this information so that having this knowledge can eradicate the fear of facing the unknown mysteries lying within. Once we go into and are initiated into these mysteries of God, there is no turning back. During these times since the planet is accelerating so quickly into higher frequency patterns, many more people will experience spontaneous awakening and consciousness altering experiences.

Many of these people will not be in spiritual or metaphysical settings when this occurs to them, it will be the office professional, the banker, the average person in the level of the current mass consciousness. The ultimate liberation of our soul comes through this blessing and we as humans must embrace and prepare ourselves for this change that will forever alter the way we perceive reality. This process is the divine destiny of all Humankind and our beautiful planet. We are in an accelerated evolution and it is time to prepare.

The Mechanics of the Shift:

Let us review the meaning of "Ascension" and why we, as humans, will experience physical, emotional and mental symptoms and changes.

Currently we are in a phase transition of expansion into the realms of experiencing higher consciousness as “multidimensional” human beings living on this planet. During this phase of the Ascension cycle, we as human beings will experience many varied physical symptoms as we shift our cells into higher frequency patterns.

Ascension is about the bringing of layers of light, the force existing within the levels of our spiritual bodies (our Multidimensional God Selves) by descending these layers into matter and anchoring them into the physical plane of reality. Simultaneously, Ascension is a shift in energetic frequency patterns held in a dimensional space which, when absorbed and activated into the layers of the planetary and human bio-energetic field, activates its DNA template instruction set.

This catalyzes a chain of events that creates a complete transformation and transmutation of various patterns and programs held in the energetic templates of the Human Soul’s journey within a cycle of evolutionary time. When activated, these patterns begin to shift, re-emerge and clear from the layers of experiences coded into every cell and memory pattern held as an energetic vibration within the bodies.

The Ascension process is about moving the consciousness from one reality to another and the awareness of possible multiple realities existing simultaneously. Since a “reality” is a dimension, what we are undertaking is, in essence, a complete dimensional shift. A dimensional reality is held in place by a complex layer of coded energetic grids to create the illusion of time and spacefor the consciousness to perceive and to participate in its own experience within the broadband widths of that particular range of frequency.

As the dimensional grids shift its frequency and its magnetic attributes change, all things existing within that “broadband” reality will also shift and change in a myriad of ways. The “natural” laws governing that time and space as we know them will change. This also means the perception of our spatial awareness, our relationship to time and space will also change rather dramatically.

Thus, to go through this shift one must prepare and adjust one's way of thinking and being to that which is in alignment with the soul purpose and true divine essence. “Surrender” and “Acceptance” are two main characteristics we will need to allow to permeate through us to facilitate an easier time. In order to shift the old behaviors and thought patterns not serving the soul purpose, we will become aware of the beliefs and behaviors that exist as imbalances within us and we must take the appropriate steps to integrate or clear them. This process will bring our deepest fears, beliefs of limitation and oldpain patterns to the surface through events that trigger them into our awareness so that we can consciously acknowledge, resolve and heal them.

Some of these issues are ancestral or inherited in their nature and may feel rather odd yet familiar when they are is brought to your awareness. It is important to remember that we are not only clearing our own individual“mind” grid,but also the karmic mind implications and collective (un)consciousness implications on this planetfrom the last evolutionary cycle. This way you can reframe the circumstance in your mind to be that which is impersonal and detached from identifying with the specific issue that has risen to the surface to be cleared within your bodies. Appreciate and acknowledge your light being for accepting the assignment for this clearing rather than claiming it as belonging to “you”.

By doing this repeatedly, we clear our emotional and energy bodies of the long held traumas, beliefs and fears that have impeded our ability to experience our true “being” and bring more joy into our lives. Once the emotional body is resolved and cleared of an old pain or trauma, the physical body then is enabled to clear its equivalent of that block.

All of this happens simultaneously within all of the layers of the bio-energetic field when each healing is cleared. In effect, it is a full clearing and release of these painful events held as patterns in the bodies from the soul’s record and cellular memory. And that is pretty awe inspiring when you realize how this will impact the human experience as we move forward!

Also, as these painful patterns are removed from the soul record, the clearing recodes our DNA so it can hold more light, thus sustaining our new frequency and a stateof increasing higher consciousness and multidimensionality. As we hold this greater light and advanced genetic package in our bio-energy field, it enables others, through the principle of resonance, to vibrate at the increased frequency rate and activate their own inner potential and divine inheritance towards Ascension.

Emotional clearing is the main process we will experienceand be acutely aware of as we shift through the Ascension. Since emotional pain and imbalances are responsible for our states of "dis-ease" many of us will experience illness or physical releases of pain clearing from our bodies. Some of this clearing is for your karmic, genetic or ancestral soul lineage. Some of us, as lightworkers, have chosen to clear states of imbalances for the collective or for a specific group and will feel this movement of energy transmute through us, as our energetic being is acting as a “cosmic filtration system” for the greater whole.

The goal of this series is to inform you of these dynamics that we are currently experiencing, and as the energies accelerate to prepare you even further by clearly discussing the various possible physical symptoms from a position of having a “neutral” association. Utilizing what works for you personally by cultivating intuitive discernment with an informed awareness is the intended support of this discussion.

This is to not alarm you, but is used as a tool to keep you informed in order to be self accountable and self sovereign in all of your upcoming choices. We will not be given anything we cannot handle. Much of this can be avoided by being self-aware and taking the time to heal through emotional clearing and listening to yourbodywhen it requests other healing techniques. Spirit has given us many tools for our Ascension toolkit to assist and support our evolution in the easiest possible way.

More Here:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/as...cension_12.htm

[RMorgan]

WhiteFeather,

I have a deep respect for you and you know that.

As I´ve said before, I understand that you are experiencing spiritual growth and I hope you to continue to do so for many years.

In fact, anyone that´s smart enough is always evolving, from the moment of birth to the moment of physical death.

We´re all here to evolve, I believe.

I´m open to the possibility that something like the ascension described by Lisa Renee might indeed happen.

However, I still think that the possibility is almost nonexistent and I don´t believe it will happen by the end of this year or anytime soon.

If it happens, I´ll be happy. If it doesn´t, I´ll be happy as well.

Anyway, like I´ve said, we´ll see how this story ends very very soon.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?"

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one!

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead

Actually Darby heard it from Mary McDonald in 1830 along with another minister. She said she had a vision and it seemed evil and cold, but it was of the rapture. Unfortunately, these ill educated ministers ran with it, and used what scriptures they thought spoke of it, and they misapplied them. As this is not a bible debate thread, I will leave it at that. Oh, I will add this, that in the O.T. it says God will punish those who teach people to fly to save their souls. The fly away doctrine is very dangerous and those who teach it should reconsider doing so.

[SilentFeathers]

I believe due to the simple facts that we have mega info at our fingertips and can more freely think, speak, and express ourselves (and have expanded our consciousness) without the constant fear of being burned at the stake, that we have ascended quite a bit just in the last 10 years alone. (but our feet are still planted on our mother)

WhiteFeather; Lisa's article was a good read but seemed very new age like and resembles Wilcocks work to some extent. She actually makes more sense to me than Wilcock in how she words things, no disrespect to you WhiteFeather, but this stuff doesn't click with me as deeply as it may with you, and this really has nothing to do with either of us being right or wrong, its just that we all walk our own paths and live our own truths in our own way and time.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?"

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one!

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead

Actually Darby heard if from Mary McDonald in 1830 along with another minister. She said she had a vision and it seemed evil and cold, but it was of the rapture. Unfortunately, these ill educated ministers ran with it, and used what scriptures they thought spoke of it, and they misapplied them. As this is not a bible debate thread, I will leave it at that. Oh, I will add this, that in the O.T. it says God will punish those who teach people to fly to save their souls. The fly away doctrine is very dangerous and those who teach it should reconsider doing so.

Hey US,

What I was saying is that, much before the invention of the words "rapture" or "ascension", the same core concept behind such terms was present in almost every religion and cultures in the whole recorded history of mankind.

We change some things here and there, to adapt to a different condition, but the concept is the same.

Cheers,

Raf.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
So basically it's safe to say, "There's really nothing new under the sun?"

Well, about the possible phenomenon where a massive amount of people transcend the physical body to achieve some sort of heavenly state, no, it´s been around for thousands of years under different names, cultures and religious beliefs.

However, as it´s a concept that opens an incredibly huge branch of possibilities and speculation, it´s very easy to adapt it to different times, cultures, religion and circumstances as well, making it looks like it´s a new idea, while, in fact, it´s not.

Such conceptual prophetic theory could very well still be part of our culture for and unlimited period of time or until that day when human race is extinguished.

Actually the rapture isn't so old (Darby-1830 if I'm not mistaken), but dying and transcending into the "spirit world" is rather quite old, today they seem now to be one of the same to many.....think I'll take a rain check on this one!

Ascension? Rapture? two for sure ways of conquering death if they just somehow miraculously happen before we actually die....I think I'll wait around for the spirit world instead

Actually Darby heard if from Mary McDonald in 1830 along with another minister. She said she had a vision and it seemed evil and cold, but it was of the rapture. Unfortunately, these ill educated ministers ran with it, and used what scriptures they thought spoke of it, and they misapplied them. As this is not a bible debate thread, I will leave it at that. Oh, I will add this, that in the O.T. it says God will punish those who teach people to fly to save their souls. The fly away doctrine is very dangerous and those who teach it should reconsider doing so.

Hey US,

What I was saying is that, much before the invention of the words "rapture" or "ascension", the same core concept behind such terms was present in almost every religion and cultures in the whole recorded history of mankind.

We change some things here and there, to adapt to a different condition, but the concept is the same.

Cheers,

Raf.

I agree Raf, many ancient cultures speak of the "star people" returning or their souls being "taken" to the place of origin in the stars or cosmos after they die......hmmm? ironically wouldn't this make Wilcock correct to some extent in some of his writing/lectures? lol!

[9eagle9]

For people who are actually doing their work concernign it they know what it is even though it may manifest differently or come in in different ways.

For those who are caught in the thrall of the 'well intentioned bs artists' it would have to be a variety of things.

It's a bit more profound and circumstantial than having a David Wilcocks bumper sticker.

There are those who can tell you how to ascend and those who simply talk about ascending.

David hasn't done the sort of ego work that allows for that sort of awareness , he is entirely unaware of what he's mixed up in peddling more information.

Knowing about ascension isn't the same as ascending.

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Methinks I would be mildly surprised if we had a majority of people on this forum agreeing on exactly what the ascension is. This word gets bandied about like everyone knows exactly what it is.....

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
I'm still trying to work out what they mean by 'ascension'....actually, I'm not really.

I think it means different things to different people...

--awakening of consciousness
--learning more about everything
--changing dimensions
--going to heaven
--just going off planet
--using an escalator

...and probably many others!