Montreal Students Defy Anti-Protest Law

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Amysenthia (here)
(I hate how this site will have a message dissappear when you are in the middle of writing it. So I am going to retype the whole thing in pages and post it again. But seriously can't something be done about this issue?)


know that our media in this country was controlled, but I just didn’t realized that it is as bad as it is. Would you believe that I read at least on newspaper per day, watch the local and national news daily and that this is the first that I have heard of these riots.

It just goes to show you that we in the U.S. are so fed propaganda. We get practically no news of the world and we get spoon fed mostly just war and how bad it is everywhere else. Just to keep us in that state of fear.

The truth is our govt does not want us to see what actually has an affect. The sad thing is that even when most US of A citizens find out the truth they are too dulled from drinking the fluoridated water and preservative ladened foods to have the energy/will to do anything about it.

Good luck to those brave people in Montreal. Please keep the updates coming since this seems to be the only way to find out about what is happening with our friends to the North.

I have also noticed how under-reported this protest, as well as Iceland's bankster-system changes, have been in the US Lamestream Media.

[sunflower]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
So what had the protestors been protesting about prior to passage of bill 78?

Tuition fees

[Kerrigan]

Tuition fees at start, yes. But people got really angry at the emergency law. Our freedom of expression is under attack.

Read more here: http://www.animalnewyork.com/2012/50...-protest-bill/

[Ki's]

Posted by Amysenthia (here)
(I hate how this site will have a message dissappear when you are in the middle of writing it. So I am going to retype the whole thing in pages and post it again. But seriously can't something be done about this issue?)


know that our media in this country was controlled, but I just didn’t realized that it is as bad as it is. Would you believe that I read at least on newspaper per day, watch the local and national news daily and that this is the first that I have heard of these riots.

It just goes to show you that we in the U.S. are so fed propaganda. We get practically no news of the world and we get spoon fed mostly just war and how bad it is everywhere else. Just to keep us in that state of fear.

The truth is our govt does not want us to see what actually has an affect. The sad thing is that even when most US of A citizens find out the truth they are too dulled from drinking the fluoridated water and preservative ladened foods to have the energy/will to do anything about it.

Good luck to those brave people in Montreal. Please keep the updates coming since this seems to be the only way to find out about what is happening with our friends to the North.

FSTV (free speech tv) and LINK tv are both viewer sponsored news stations. Try Democracy now on these stations for undiluted news. They are available on satellite and cable tv services

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amysenthia (here)
(I hate how this site will have a message dissappear when you are in the middle of writing it. So I am going to retype the whole thing in pages and post it again. But seriously can't something be done about this issue?)

I don't know of what problem you speak .

Honestly, it's not a problem I have ever seen myself, and I doubt it's a problem on "our" end (the forum server software.) Perhaps with more details I could say something more useful.

Three suggestions that have been useful to some people reporting problems that sorta kinda sound like this:

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• If you are using the Chrome, Safari or Firefox browser, consider using the Lazarus add-on, which makes it easy to recover partially entered text messages. I heartily recommend Lazarus.

[Kerrigan]

Tonight again, on my street, people were on their balcony, banging wooden spoons on metal casseroles at 8pm.

This was yesterday; spontaneous manifestations scattered through the city:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rzxg8ikhokw

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[DeDukshyn]

Well good for them! All they want is affordable education ... oh my! No! Not That! If Our Harpy Gov't can spend hundreds of billions (its a lot for our country - don't laugh ;-) on crappy broken down used subs - the UK scammed us big time, a jet package that never had a second set of eyes, a useless gun registry, a new iron fist crime policy with hundreds of new prisons and laws, but it can't keep from raising tuition fees? Serious incompetence!

They just better all keep it civil, else they lose their effect.

[enfoldedblue]

I am a montrealer living in Australia. I only know about the protests through friends as it is not reported at all here. Just thought I'd share this.
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An Open Letter to English-Canadians, who might be feeling that Quebeckers have taken leave of their senses..


by Daniel Weinstock on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 at 5:09pm ·
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An open letter to my English-Canadian friends. Please circulate in your networks as you see fit.



You may have heard that there has been some turmoil in Quebec in recent weeks. There have been demonstrations in the streets of Montreal every night for almost a month now, and a massive demonstration will be happening tomorrow, which I will be attending, along with my wife, Elizabeth Elbourne, and my eldest daughter Emma.


Reading the Anglo-Canadian press, it strikes me that you have been getting a very fragmented and biased picture of what is going on. Given the gulf that has already emerged between Quebec and the rest of Canada in the wake of the 2011 election, it is important that the issues under discussion here at least be represented clearly. You may decide at the end of the day that we are crazy, but at least you should reach that decision on the basis of the facts, rather than of the distortions that have been served up by the G&M and other outlets.

First, the matter of the tuition hikes, which touched off this mess. The rest of the country seems to have reached the conclusion that the students are spoiled, selfish brats, who would still be paying the lowest tuition fees even if the whole of the proposed increase went through.

The first thing to say is that this is an odd conception of selfishness. Students have been sticking with the strikes even knowing that they may suffer deleterious consequences, both financial and academic. They have been marching every night despite the threat of beatings, tear-gas, rubber bullets, and arrests. It is, of course, easier for the right-wing media to dismiss them if they can be portrayed as selfish kids to whom no -one has ever said "no". But there is clearly an issue of principle here.

OK, then. But maybe the principle is the wrong one. Free tuition may just be a pie-in-the sky idea that mature people give up on when they put away childish things. And besides, why should other people pay for the students' "free" tuition? There is no such thing as "free" education. Someone, somewhere, has to pay. And the students, the criticism continues, are simply refusing to pay their "fair share".

Why is that criticism simplistic? Because the students' claim has never been that they should not pay for education. The question is whether they should do so up front, before they have income, or later, as taxpayers in a progressive taxation scheme. Another question has to do with the degree to which Universities should be funded by everyone, or primarily by those who attend them. So the issue of how to fund Universities justly is complicated. We have to figure out at what point in people's lives they should be paying for their education, and we also have to figure out how much of the bill should be footed by those who do not attend, but who benefit from a University-educated work force of doctors, lawyers, etc. The students' answer to this question may not be the best, but then it does not strike me that the government's is all that thought out either.

And at least the students have been trying to make ARGUMENTS and to engage the government and the rest of society in debate, whereas the government's attitude, other than to invoke the in-this-context-meaningless "everyone pays their faire share" argument like a mantra, has been to say "Shut up, and obey".

What strikes the balance in the students' favour in the Quebec context is that the ideal of no up-front financial hurdles to University access is enshrined in some of the most foundational documents of Quebec's Quiet Revolution, in particular the Parent Commission Report, which wrested control of schools from the Church and created the modern Quebec education system, a cornerstone of the kind of society that many Quebeckers see themselves as aspiring to. Now, it could be that that ideal is no longer viable, or that we may no longer want to subscribe to it. But moving away from it, as Charest's measures have done, at least requires a debate, analogous to the debate that would have to be had if the Feds proposed to scrap the Canada Health Act. It is clearly not just an administrative measure. It is political through and through. Indeed it strikes at fundamental questions about the kind of society we want to live in. If this isn't the sort of thing that requires democratic debate, I don't know what is.

The government has met the very reasonable request that this issue, and broader issues of University governance, be at least addressed in some suitably open and democratic manner with silence, then derision, then injunctions, and now, with the most odious "law" that I have seen voted by the Quebec National Assembly in my adult memory. It places the right of all Quebec citizens to assemble, but also to talk and discuss about these issues, under severe limitations. It includes that most odious of categories: crimes of omission, as in, you can get fined for omitting to attempt to prevent someone from taking part in an act judged illegal by the law. In principle, the simple wearing of the by-now iconic red square can be subject to a fine. The government has also made the student leaders absurdly and ruinously responsible for any action that is ostensibly carried out under the banners of their organizations. The students groups can be fined $125000 whenever someone claiming to be "part" of the movement throws a rock through a window. And so on. It is truly a thing to behold.

The government is clearly aware that this "law" would not withstand a millisecond of Charter scrutiny. It actually expires in July 2013, well before challenges could actually wind their way through the Courts. The intention is thus clearly just to bring down the hammer on this particular movement by using methods that the government knows to be contrary to basic liberal-democratic rule-of-law principles. The cynicism is jaw-dropping. It is beneath contempt for the government to play fast and loose with our civil rights and liberties in order to deal with the results of its own abject failure to govern.



So that is why tomorrow I will be taking a walk in downtown Montreal with (hopefully!) hundreds of thousands of my fellow citizens. Again, you are all free to disagree, but at least don't let it be because of the completely distorted picture of what is going on here that you have been getting from media outlets, including some from which we might have expected more.



Daniel

[NewFounderHome]

I must say then I'm proud of the young generation that is taking that stand. I hope they will be resilient in time. There are many changes that should be done. Some hide in the back of democratic structure and rules to not represent the population. Yesterday night they started to do cattle arrest. They circle up folks and arrest them. They did arrest it seems 475 people and gave them a fine of 654$. The aim seems to be to put protesters under financial constraint. Let's not forget then at the origin of this protest several months ago, it was against the schooling fees going up in a drastic way, or another way of looking at it is to create a major financial burden on the students so they will react like the rest of the population and fall in line with i must work to pay all my deeds towards the financial institution. So if they have this burden they will fall in line.

[NewFounderHome]

It seems then the rest of the population in a major way is reacting in the, I'm must work to pay all my deeds to the banks so they don't want to take part. Even if they see all the corruption and all that is going on they want to stay in their little comfort zone. They don't seem to want to stand up for them self’s.

They are still sheep!

[DeDukshyn]

I found this in my mailbox today: http://www.avaaz.org/en/quebec_prote...529955&v=14646

Avaaz is an organization that helps get your voice heard via petitions. I use them regularly to support the things that I feel important via this method. They take donations and but you don't have to donate to particpate in any of the petitions.

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Camilo (here)
It's happening all over the world!......the new generations are telling the old world that it's time to change a failing paradigme!....Hurraaaay!!

Loving your consciousness on that quote. Bliss!!!!!

[Deega]

Thanks 161803398, yes!, great happening in the Quebec Province as of late!, I have been following it for a while now, particularly reading Richard Martineau Chronique in the «Journal du Québec».

He is arguing that the different Union Groups are behind the Student Mouvement. As some of you may be aware, the «Fédération des Travailleurs du Québec (FTQ)» have lost their battle with the Québec Government over «hiring practices» by the FTQ. And they (FTQ) were in search of a way to get rid of the Government, they couldn’t find a better representative using their youth.

And strangely, Union representatives have not come publicly to deny Martineau claims. And if you make a search on the Web, you will see that, even the Canadian Unions are financing the Student Mouvement, so no wonder!, they (Students Federations) will continue their movement trying to get rid of Charest Government, it may be a good thing or not, replacing bring surprises.

Don’t misunderstand me, I think that rebelling on government actions is the most important thing but when an organized body uses our youth for their purposes, then, I have a sad feeling adults are manipulating.

And Yes!, Law 78 is unpopular, will not do the job.

All the best to you.

Deega

[NewFounderHome]

Here is a video in French. Sorry and no i will not do a translation of it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OXx7-eUP84I

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by NewFounderHome (here)
It is the 29 night time manifestation. They are arresting massive amount of peoples. The Liberal government in Quebec did pass a harsh law (law78) and Montreal did pass a law then you can be arrested for having a mask.

That alone should tell people all they need to know

[Flash]

Posted by Deega (here)
Thanks 161803398, yes!, great happening in the Quebec Province as of late!, I have been following it for a while now, particularly reading Richard Martineau Chronique in the «Journal du Québec».

He is arguing that the different Union Groups are behind the Student Mouvement. As some of you may be aware, the «Fédération des Travailleurs du Québec (FTQ)» have lost their battle with the Québec Government over «hiring practices» by the FTQ. And they (FTQ) were in search of a way to get rid of the Government, they couldn’t find a better representative using their youth.

And strangely, Union representatives have not come publicly to deny Martineau claims. And if you make a search on the Web, you will see that, even the Canadian Unions are financing the Student Mouvement, so no wonder!, they (Students Federations) will continue their movement trying to get rid of Charest Government, it may be a good thing or not, replacing bring surprises.

Don’t misunderstand me, I think that rebelling on government actions is the most important thing but when an organized body uses our youth for their purposes, then, I have a sad feeling adults are manipulating.

And Yes!, Law 78 is unpopular, will not do the job.

All the best to you.

Deega

your post explains very clearly the mix feeling I have had since the beginning of these protests. In Quebec, Unions ARE stronger than government and no, they are not on the good side of the fence, they have much much power. To me they are PTB as well.

I thought since the beginning that Unions are behind these whole protest and that the 3 students at the head of it are going to have very good Union job offers when it is over.

I am also mixed for the tuitions. On one hand, I think education should be free, on the other hand, they are paying the exact same tuition I was paying in 1983. The lowest tuition fees in North America (about 1500 per year for excellent universities). We are the ones paying the remaining with our taxes, yet we are the ones not being able to take the subway, not being able to go to work in the morning.

The other thing is that why are they protesting ONLY in Montreal. Why not in Quebec City where the government is? Montreal economy and city is a destitute from the Quebec governement, we have nothing back from our taxes, our street look like Iraq war torn streets, our economy is in dismay while Quebec city is going very well, has large highway and not potholes nor unemployment. Why destroy Montreal still more? Why not Quebec City, since Montreal region citizen votes worth only on half of the votes of the rest of the province (yes, believe it, 3 million people's vote worth the one an half million elsewhere because of the electoral map, this is most probably why we get nothing to repair our environment). The student not protesting in Quebec City IS suspicious by itself. The government in in Quebec City.

All in all, I thnk this protest has been pushed by Unions to make sure we do get laws prohibiting free will and free demonstration and freedom altogether. Here it is the unions that do the PTB jobs. And of course the govt will make the laws, this is a planned situation (CIA must still be doing their study to see how we will react, as they did in 1970).

Edit: I forgot to add something more suspicous: presently there is an inquest into the bribes that would have been given to the government and its ministers by mafia owned companies doing construction work for the province. All of a sudden, the whole scandal is going under since we only hear of student protest. Hum, suspicious as well.....

[Deega]

Thanks Flash, you are probably right, the 3 students might have a great job with the Unions in time. Yes!, Québec tuition is the lowest in Canada! Protesting in Montréal have a greater influence on the media, Québec City is small, not as much students as in Montréal, impact is much greater!

«All in all, I thnk this protest has been pushed by Unions to make sure we do get laws prohibiting free will and free demonstration and freedom altogether».

From Martineau perspective, the Union (FTQ particularly) was mad that the Charest government «takes away» the FTD hiring practices, this happened beginning this year if I’m correct!

«Edit: I forgot to add something more suspicous: presently there is an inquest into the bribes that would have been given to the government and its ministers by mafia owned companies doing construction work for the province. All of a sudden, the whole scandal is going under since we only hear of student protest. Hum, suspicious as well.....»

What is happening, corruption is rampant in the Construction Industry, and the Quebec Opposition has ran, in concert with the Media, valid pressure on the Quebec Government to put up a Public Commission (similar to the Gormley Commission) to investigate corruption (at large) within the Industry. It is called «Commission Charbonneau», they started their work this week. So we will be hearing great information in weeks to come.

Stay tuned to this Quebec Commission.

All the best to you.

Deega

[NewFounderHome]

We should maybe start a threat named the Construction Industry Quebec Commission or something like that!

[Flash]

Posted by NewFounderHome (here)
We should maybe start a threat named the Construction Industry Quebec Commission or something like that!

oh yes, talk about conspiracy

[NewFounderHome]

Go for it Flash, Go for it!