Who Fears

[ljwheat]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
The fear of death, that's the biggie isn't it? Sometimes the cheat sheet just happens to fall right in our lap. I've been "lucky" enough(LOL) to have been through a handful of events that I had no business what so ever walking away from. Funny thing, when you suddenly find yourself experiencing the last few fleeting seconds of your life. In the midst of utter chaos, "all is well", as Jorr likes to say.

Another funny thing. There was one time where the end result was not yet a foregone conclusion, and was pending on the next move I made. THAT was the time I tasted the fear of death.

So, is that two different "I's"? Hmmmm.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred, I totally agree, drawing on what happens in NDE’s (near death experience) first hand as a child ridding a bicycle falling in traffic, combat in Viet Nahm, moments just before a motor cycle car crash, about to be crushed between a lawn tractor and a utility trailer. In every instance the ego run’s away and the silent watcher presents its self-- suddenly seen, felt, and in full here and now -- YOU-- the true I. this also happened when I awoke or was awakened-- or should say my EGO awakened to this silent watcher and the two met for the first time and shook hands as it were. Now I have a working little ego, living and working along side of the all present I silent watcher.

Each time I had a NDE the mind or in my head I heard an audible and felt it -- click-- watcher was in full and complete awareness, just like I’m aware now in my thinking brain at this very moment. The difference? -- all was OK -- big EGO was no where to be found with all its fearful head knowledge, books, life, and Hollywood driven control smoke screens vanished. And we all have had this experience in ridding a roller coaster for the first time, standing in line ego run’s all the “oh sh--” programs, or on the end of a diving board, ego say’s what if?

The very moment you push past ego and take the step off the diving board, or click the seat belt and your body starts to move, EGO leaves town and the silent watcher is in full control and aware, sky diving, X-games skiing, extreme sports of any kind have all reported this EGO vanishing act and the rush they equate to as adrenalin is only the real I showing up its -- not adrenalin. Adrenalin is the natural state of the silent watcher’s perfect in line, in sync, state of being. Think about all the miracles that take place when so called adrenalin rush take place, woman in car crash thrown free, baby trapped in car, woman come too, rips car door off hinges. Man hears daughter in front yard run’s out to find his daughter’s body crushed beneath backing, fully loaded dump truck, Man with one hand reaches down to pull his daughter free, and with the other lifts truck off his daughter. Then collapsing into a ball of goo, as the wait of lifting that truck crushed every bone in his body. Ego gone, silent watcher shows up or takes over with its natural state in full gear-- miracles, that’s only the extreme side of the coin--- only for example. Full presents of the watcher abound in miracle’s of the bible, and in present life that are swept under the rug of life and Hollywood ego swept minds.

The evidence is all around us, great thread and has opened the deeper levels of hidden thought. Thanks for listening.

John XXX

[9eagle9]

It is, we've had fear ingrained in our psyches as far back as what history can tell.

A reign of fear culture that has existed for so long its debateable if we were born with a natural inclination for fight or flight or it has been developed from living in fear culture for uncountable millenniums. Perhaps even effecting our DNA and genetics.

All conflict comes from fear.

Its becoming the new 'depression'. Depression is prevalent because no is allowed to be depressed. It's socially incorrect and it means 'something is wrong with you' so instead of confronting the depression one rushes out to find a masking agent for it so they will at least not be consciously aware they are depressed. Not so you are okay again; so you are socially correct again. Hey come on you are brainwashed sheep living in fear/slave culture somethings wrong with you if you are depressed over something like that!

Our current 'lite' religions have taught us in an incorrect way not to be afraid. Fear is an unseemly trait now, where fearful people are instructing others not to be afraid because 'spiritual' people don't fear. Which is incorrect. Being told not to fear doesn't do anything meaningful in exorcizing one's fear. Talking about not being afraid, no where approaches the act and practice of excising fear.

We, perversely, seem to have more control over tangible justified fear than we do fear that is based only in thoughts. We have the same thought or idea that we are afraid of and will live in for decades even though nothing is happening to obviate that fear. However we 'think' nothing of stepping out of the way of bus about to run over us.

Roman's example further up thread is more correct. Sitting in one's fear always it to release. Avoiding or resisting fear just allows its grip to belt in tighter.

This release of a fear known or unknown (ever been uneasy for no apparent reason?) can have a transformative effect that occurs within minutes or....may take a few weeks depending on how deeply rooted in and attached on is to the fear. But its a relatively short amount of time.

Fear is one of the easier emotions to release as it typically rooted in a past experience or just a thought. Perhaps a thought of a post traumatic experience occurring again.

Ultimately all fear is traced back to 'loss of control' over one's life. What is this telling us? We aren't in control of our lives, we never have been until we began assuming control. This is why you find such consternation in current hot topics about our current A list heroes who are painting a future rosy picture of the world.
When one disagrees that one is just putting control of their life, transferring it from the bad guys to the good guys, one is still giving up control of their life there is a fear reaction. Let the bad guys control your life, let the good guys dictate it , it still loss of control over one's life.

People are afraid to manage their own lives because they have such low self value and perhaps percieve they are not capable of managing it. How could they if they are afraid all the time? So it becomes a self perpetrating jail. Those who are beginning to flex control over one's life are not looked upon favorably either.

Death is just another manifestation of literally not having control over one's life. People have feebly attempted to establish control over death by insisting they choose the time of their death unconsciously, admitting that some unknown portion of their psyche is deciding this without their conscious consent. --which is still loss control.

Fear of Death is fear if loss of control over one's life. But few of us have ever had that control in the first place because of fear.

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
You are what you think, is the ways we assume our reality here, which means that all of us are an open book to abuse and nonsense, playing with your power of belief masked as truth. When we catch on that all possibilities are right here in front of your face to the most dreadful distortions of what is, then you will begin to take some control of your life here, and not be open to folly and fantasy being bombarded to all of us on a daily basis.

Check out the threads here, and notice where they are leading you too, a mostly road to nowhere, achieving confusion is the only result that one can get, its mostly hearsay, with no value to you, other than some entertaining interest that the mind can create, your life, your mind, your choice.

I think that most of us have come to the conclusion that mind is responsible for all that is, knowing that we see that all is just a mind play that we accept or reject, it has no value other than your interest, a way of killing time, results will be in what you choose to believe.

regards

roman

I wish there was a bigger public place to say this, but I think this is the single most important thread in the forum at the moment.

Fear, and releasing fear from our bodies is the issue right now. There's nothing else going on. It looks potentially like Armageddon.
And it might yet even become that.

Is anyone willing for it to look like whatever it has to?

[TOTHE]

Shifts in consciousness is the cause of fear for only the uninformed and misunderstanding. We are all on the same path of discovery. We need to embrace the negative and fear to process the truth and compassion. Only then will we have the wisdom to correct error.

Birth is the consciousness shift from the spirit to the physical.
Death is the consciousness shift physical back to the spirit (even though it has consequences to the physical body).
Meditation/ prayer is our way of inter-dimensional consciousness shifting between physical and spiritual (with no consequences) to direct matter and focus energy to co-create.
External cause of consciousness shift would be like the DNA one we are in now that whatever quantum cause is raising the earth vibration.

All said is my belief and opinion. I keep things simple.

[Sebastion]

ljwheat-

I believe you have touched on something critically important here and it should be expanded upon. The silent watcher is that critical factor.

First of all, methinks that the fear factor exists only at this level, within the matrix, as it were. The watcher within is beyond the matrix. The important point I wish to address is the ability to access the watcher aspect. I sincerely believe that this is accomplished by the use of "intent". The quality or purity of what that intent is may very well be the primary determining factor.

Methinks I shall be delving into the silent watcher aspect more deeply for a time!

Roman, my thanks for posting this thread and my best to you!

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
The fear of death, that's the biggie isn't it? Sometimes the cheat sheet just happens to fall right in our lap. I've been "lucky" enough(LOL) to have been through a handful of events that I had no business what so ever walking away from. Funny thing, when you suddenly find yourself experiencing the last few fleeting seconds of your life. In the midst of utter chaos, "all is well", as Jorr likes to say.

Another funny thing. There was one time where the end result was not yet a foregone conclusion, and was pending on the next move I made. THAT was the time I tasted the fear of death.

So, is that two different "I's"? Hmmmm.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred, I totally agree, drawing on what happens in NDE’s (near death experience) first hand as a child ridding a bicycle falling in traffic, combat in Viet Nahm, moments just before a motor cycle car crash, about to be crushed between a lawn tractor and a utility trailer. In every instance the ego run’s away and the silent watcher presents its self-- suddenly seen, felt, and in full here and now -- YOU-- the true I. this also happened when I awoke or was awakened-- or should say my EGO awakened to this silent watcher and the two met for the first time and shook hands as it were. Now I have a working little ego, living and working along side of the all present I silent watcher.

Each time I had a NDE the mind or in my head I heard an audible and felt it -- click-- watcher was in full and complete awareness, just like I’m aware now in my thinking brain at this very moment. The difference? -- all was OK -- big EGO was no where to be found with all its fearful head knowledge, books, life, and Hollywood driven control smoke screens vanished. And we all have had this experience in ridding a roller coaster for the first time, standing in line ego run’s all the “oh sh--” programs, or on the end of a diving board, ego say’s what if?

The very moment you push past ego and take the step off the diving board, or click the seat belt and your body starts to move, EGO leaves town and the silent watcher is in full control and aware, sky diving, X-games skiing, extreme sports of any kind have all reported this EGO vanishing act and the rush they equate to as adrenalin is only the real I showing up its -- not adrenalin. Adrenalin is the natural state of the silent watcher’s perfect in line, in sync, state of being. Think about all the miracles that take place when so called adrenalin rush take place, woman in car crash thrown free, baby trapped in car, woman come too, rips car door off hinges. Man hears daughter in front yard run’s out to find his daughter’s body crushed beneath backing, fully loaded dump truck, Man with one hand reaches down to pull his daughter free, and with the other lifts truck off his daughter. Then collapsing into a ball of goo, as the wait of lifting that truck crushed every bone in his body. Ego gone, silent watcher shows up or takes over with its natural state in full gear-- miracles, that’s only the extreme side of the coin--- only for example. Full presents of the watcher abound in miracle’s of the bible, and in present life that are swept under the rug of life and Hollywood ego swept minds.

The evidence is all around us, great thread and has opened the deeper levels of hidden thought. Thanks for listening.

John XXX

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

Thank you. I agree on most. Exept your ideas about my death.

I plan to die in the winter, when its hard work to dig a hole and

the flowers are expensive.


All is well


Jorr

They will probably stack you, like chordwood, in the graveyard crypt...like they do with everyone else. And wait until spring.

As long as they don't wait too long until after the spring thaw, your fleshbox won't be too stinky.

Well my friend, by then its someone elses problem. LOL


All is well


Jorr

[Phoenix]

I stopped eating eggs for a few months, then one day i gave in, and upon the attempt of swallowing half of the yellow part, it got lodged in my throat, and for a few seconds in-between the realization that no one is around and sarcastic thoughts in my mind such as "really, an egg? This is how I die?" - there were a few moments of tranquilly and peace.

Haven't eaten an egg since.

[Spiral]

I just read this thread, it made me cry.

Not much does that these days.

[REILLY]

Posted by Spiral (here)
I just read this thread, it made me cry.

Not much does that these days.

Time to dig, there is always more to release....

[Kiforall]

My Mother phoned me the other day, she's a great example of the way in which our Ego takes over and prevents us facing up to lifes pain.

What a life she's had.

Her Father was a dustbin man who spent his career sifting through garbage to find discarded drugs of any kind to deaden the pain of his life ( not sure what caused it but more than likely his parents )

My Mum had witnessed and saved him on numerous occasions from comitting suicide from an early age.

One evening she found him in bed ready to take an overdose, she was 19yo at the time and this time she said to him if he was going to do it he should do a proper job and left the room. That night he did indeed carry out his intentions adequately and killed himself.

She told her Mum what had happened and instead of her Mum giving her any reassurance that it wasn't her fault
she convinced her to tell no one of the conversation she had with him.

My Mum believed it was her fault that he had died ( selfish man! )

She met my Dad who beat her up very early on in her relationship and she went on to marry him!

She told me she felt it was her punishment for what she had done to her Dad.

As a young teenager she had a beautiful relationship with a younger cousin who was the Son to her Mum's sister. He was 9yrs old, his Mum was also messed up and one day after his Dad left them she tried to kill herself and her Son. She suceeded in killing him but was found in time to be taken to hospital and survive.
That affected my Mum very badly.

My Mum has done what so many do and blocked all this out, as she gets older the damage done to her emotionally has expressed itself in many ailments, reynauds syndrome, epilepsy, bad back, pain in her arms, anxiety attacks, depression (although she won't admit to it ) and more recently severe oesophageal ulceration due to gastric reflux and shortness of breath, to the point she thinks she's going to have a fit or pass out.

I have tried to speak to her about the fact that she will not recieve a diagnosis from the doctors because it is neurological and currently all the tests that come back are negative. I know what diagnosis she will recieve and it will be no help to her..... psychosomatic neurological disorder.

Her Ego is more interested in protecting her from her dark innermost emotional pain. To the point where she is going to write her last will and testament this week because she thinks she has something terminal.

So her Ego fears the truth more than death. So she fears the truth more than death.

When she phoned this week and I hit her with it, bang!!

She burst out crying at the first mention of her Dads suicide, which acknowledged my theory.

Within seconds she was wittering on about how good the doctors had been etc,etc, changing the subject, blocking, blocking.

She's visiting at the weekend and I'm going to start the healing process, if I haven't already.
She has to decide, face up to the emotional pain within or ultimately die from her negativity because that is what will happen in her present state.

Which fear will be greater?

Zoe x

[Daughter of Time]

I fear the abyss - the unknown.

I fear deceit and betrayal for they have deeply hurt me in the past.

I fear I may not be able to perceive and recognize the traps I may find after I leave my body.

I fear i may not become the best i can possibly be.

I fear I may not be able to release my fears.