Tell us all what you believe.

[Deega]

Thanks Aranuk, great Tread, challenging one, to make clear what is my believe, I start with a definition. In the Free Dictionary, believe (v.tr) - To accept as true or real, and, To credit with veracity, and, To expect or suppose; think. And believe (v.int) - To have firm faith, especially religious faith, and, To have faith, confidence, or trust, and, To have confidence in the truth or value of something, and, To have an opinion; think. I will hold on to what seem to be my truth.

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

I would think so to, and as we know, it’s the Financial World that run the show, then probably the bloodline! They have had through the years, ET/ED help.

They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Yes!, it seems that way!

They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office. Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.

I would nuance here, no one may overcome the power of money (an illusionary power) unfortunately, any politician will succumb to it somehow. I would tend to say that the root cause of corruption is that almost all politicians may be bought, but there is fortunately a few who may resist, great!

They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

If the rulers of the World would have been really serious about this, it would be so right now! I guess that they can’t do it without leaving their traces..! But there is clear evidence that Earth has a limited number of hectares (land) to nourish their population, so that is a great challenge that the intelligence of human being will tackle.

Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Hmm!, yeah!, the sooner the better!

ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.

I also believe it to.

Alternative medicine I go along with.

Also!

Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

Concur!

Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

I believe that channelling is a personal thing that may serve one life!

All the best to you.

Deega

[aranuk]

Posted by starchild111 (here)
I believe chemtrails serve many purposes. Weather manipulation, and weather as a weapon. Mind control methods via directed energy weapons parked in space, and coincidentally has the benefit of poisoning us.
I believe there are good and bad ETs/IDs- Some of them are intermingled with the alphabets and militaries of the world.
I believe we all have abilities that have been shut down with poisons (flouride, etc.) via food water air emf etc.
I believe this has all been planned for at least a hundred years, probably more.
I believe there is major reptilian involvement in us politics and points of power.
I believe there has been a HUGE conquer and divide agenda, to separate those of us in the alternative groups. as well as using DEW's even, to divied family members and turn people against each other. (this can be anywhere and everywhere)
I believe most odd animal oddities found such as (chupacabra,etc) are military, biological experiments gone bad, and disposed of.
I believe haarp is responsible for many many bird and fish deaths.
I believe GMO crops are responsible for the destruction of the bee population, I also believe it is deliberate.
I believe Lyme disease was a deliberate event, created to secretly sicken an entire population.(or many) Read the book LAB 257.

I will probably edit this if I think of something I left out.

Thank you starchild111 That's what I ask for and you did a great job! I'm sure you have more as I certainly do.

Stan

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Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Hi Stan, great thread my friend. Short and sweet, no belief here. I'm a tired, beaten down old soul who's just about done it all, both good and bad, and now it's simply time to start heading for home. It's late.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

Hi Fred, so you don't have any beliefs then? I don't believe you. Now where does that leave me? Without a belief? No. I believe you are telling a lie. I am not saying you ARE telling a lie. I am saying I BELIEVE you are telling a lie.

Stan

I believe you Stan...

Fred you and I could maybe arrange a double act could we?

Stan

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Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

Clever Stan. And what a brilliant conclusion to a great thread.

Ulli do you think we could wind it up now?

Stan

[ulli]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by starchild111 (here)
I believe chemtrails serve many purposes. Weather manipulation, and weather as a weapon. Mind control methods via directed energy weapons parked in space, and coincidentally has the benefit of poisoning us.
I believe there are good and bad ETs/IDs- Some of them are intermingled with the alphabets and militaries of the world.
I believe we all have abilities that have been shut down with poisons (flouride, etc.) via food water air emf etc.
I believe this has all been planned for at least a hundred years, probably more.
I believe there is major reptilian involvement in us politics and points of power.
I believe there has been a HUGE conquer and divide agenda, to separate those of us in the alternative groups. as well as using DEW's even, to divied family members and turn people against each other. (this can be anywhere and everywhere)
I believe most odd animal oddities found such as (chupacabra,etc) are military, biological experiments gone bad, and disposed of.
I believe haarp is responsible for many many bird and fish deaths.
I believe GMO crops are responsible for the destruction of the bee population, I also believe it is deliberate.
I believe Lyme disease was a deliberate event, created to secretly sicken an entire population.(or many) Read the book LAB 257.

I will probably edit this if I think of something I left out.

Thank you starchild111 That's what I ask for and you did a great job! I'm sure you have more as I certainly do.

Stan

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Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Hi Stan, great thread my friend. Short and sweet, no belief here. I'm a tired, beaten down old soul who's just about done it all, both good and bad, and now it's simply time to start heading for home. It's late.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

Hi Fred, so you don't have any beliefs then? I don't believe you. Now where does that leave me? Without a belief? No. I believe you are telling a lie. I am not saying you ARE telling a lie. I am saying I BELIEVE you are telling a lie.

Stan

I believe you Stan...

Fred you and I could maybe arrange a double act could we?

Stan

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Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
There is as Dr Carl Jung called a complex here. There is an absence here of certain people who usually make a lot of noise regarding other peoples beliefs. They most likely feel vulnerable if they divulge their beliefs, unlike most of us here.

Very interesting.

Stan

Clever Stan. And what a brilliant conclusion to a great thread.

Ulli do you think we could wind it up now?

Stan

which approach would suit you best?
Sledge hammer?
or maybe ulli with the blow torch?

[Carmody]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
The core of the avatar's design, is that it must break before it can change, Dennis. The combination of fears, nightmare, solution, action and dream.

Oddly, the moment that the psyche/ego of humankind (individual and group) feels it has a hope, it hesitates, waits, backslides...and is, in that moment.... doomed to wait again.

Hope is necessary, but it is also borne (connectivity-but not solely) out of the body's desires and fears. Think of it more as a point of contemplation, this 'hope' thing. A thing that creates thought.... helps rumination, contemplation - 'be'.

As long as a body shapes the origins of thought, then hope as a failure -- is key to success.

It is but a moment of realization, but the origins of all fears/desires in the human system need be addressed, in order to get to that moment that makes it finally work. Where love and compassion are finally given their due, and integrate with the human body in an intensity that out weighs the other two. (fear/desire). when that happens, the view,and thus the input and output data system shift to this more correct orientation, of Love and Compassion.

Therefore, absolute, complete, total failure, with no way out, must be on your mind and in it... before the problems can be overcome.

Are any of you there yet?

Hi Carmody, are these your beliefs or are you stating an opinion here? I am unsure what they are. I was looking for peoples beliefs especially, the things we do NOT know but the things we believe.

Stan

Apologies Stan. This is the first time I have contributed to such a thread anywhere on the internet, at any time. What that means, concerning my post, I will keep to myself.

[selinam]

I used to believe in lots of things...

family
religion
money
justice
working hard
news channels
what I saw
what I didn't see

now the only thing I believe in is emotion. It is the only thing I know (or feel) for sure...

Selina

Selina

[christian]

Posted by aranuk (here)
I am trying to find what is the lowest common denominator here on this forum.

Nice idea. I think the lowest is: There is more going on than what is told in the MSM and we are always (co-)creators and can thus influence how it all plays out.

Posted by aranuk (here)
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

I believe that beliefs are generally transient, my ability to perceive sets the limits to my understanding and while I peel the layers of the onion there's progressively more to discern and new perspectives emerging.

Through personal experience I understand, that harmonizing and refining seems to be a purpose of what's going on, but in what context? What was before existence in general and what comes after? And I mean all existence. I have actually more questions than beliefs.

What is beyond all-that-is and its source? Existence, why and where exactly does stuff even exist? How can it be possible, that there is not just an eternal nothingness? But then, where would that nothingness be? It's all so wondrous. There is always something beyond, it seems. Is it really this way? Eternally? Even if it was all just one giant torus/ouroboros extending itself through dimensions etc., this must have originated somewhere somewhen, I'd assume.

[Carolin]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Carolin (here)
I believe that the universe is cyclical and that we take our little lives too seriously.

Hi Carolin, is that all you believe? If so you must have a vast amount of knowledge.

Stan

Hi Stan,

There are many things I think, few things I believe and nothing I know for sure.......anymore.

Love
C

[kreagle]

aranuk,

Your post is definitely "thought provoking" and useful.

For the "most part", I agree with a good deal with what you have observed.

I'll begin with my most "personal belief",......Then compare mine to yours like others have done.

I believe the following:

I "believe,....know,....and have personally met", (in Spirit),....One God. He was personally known to Moses/Israel, as simply, "I AM",......later as Jehovah, or Yahweh,......and finally today, as Jesus Christ.

in comparison

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

I believe that the "powerful elite" are "attempting' to run our planet. I "do" believe in "ED" involvement and influence,......but "not" in "ET" existence.

They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Have to say that I concur with you here.

They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.

I concur.

Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.

I concur,....."completely"!

They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy. (Me, too!!)They use chem trails to poison us.

Sounds perfectly plausible,....not completely sold on "this scenario",....but I certainly wouldn't put it "past them",....in that,.....I "do not" trust them either!!

They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

As "sinister" as this scenario "sounds and appears",....I'm highly inclined to agree with you, in that, I put "nothing" beyond their evil imaginations.

Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Surprisingly,....I agree completely with you, here,......and our Lord God will do "that",...."exactly",.....one day!

ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.

As stated earlier,.....I "do" believe in "ED's", (fallen angels), who present themselves as "ET's". And, yes,....they are "certainly around". Deception is the name of their game!

UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

I , once again, concur with you. I've never seen one myself, either. I agree that the "evidence" is too overwhelming, and too many credible reports. "Everyone" is not lying!

Alternative medicine I go along with.

I concur. God has given us the "herbs of the field" for medicinal purposes,....and also
the ability to "expand our knowledge" in order to extract their healing properties.

Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

I do not doubt,...so therefore I "do" believe,....that there has been,....and will continue to be "contactees".

Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

I do disagree, completely, with "channelling". It is a "modern day term" for what the Bible calls....."divination",......which is adamantly spoken against by the Lord, Himself.

All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

I cannot make a discernment, one way or the other, in regards to the "Camelot whistleblowers" that you've alluded to here, in that, I have only sporadically visited "that site". My "gut instinct" tells me you are probably correct in you assessment of these gentlemen.

Love and Peace, to all,......kreagle

[Dennis Leahy]

In addition to, (and in spite of), what I wrote in this post...

I believe that evidently mankind (as a whole, and the 'comfortably numb' in developed countries in particular) need to go through the rapids and over the waterfall and fight to tread water in the pool beneath the falls. Since nothing is being done to prevent the Financial Elite from overtly getting to their financial endgame, in stride, I have to assume it will happen. But, I do not believe it is by any means the end of mankind, nor do I believe that they will achieve their ultimate goal of total dominance and enslavement (via chemical and possible psychotronic means) of mankind.

I believe that "the majority" (in developed nations, especially the US), the collective cluster of beings that has been sleepwalking, evidently requires a near-death experience-level wake-up call. Words are not enough. Videos are not enough. Seeing "others" losing their homes and being financially deconstructed is not enough. It has to be visceral. People who have never struggled (despite their belief that they have struggled) will need to truly struggle. The average person in the US today lives better than any king from 300 years ago (thanks, Wade), and evidently needs to become a pauper to make it real.

But I see this as a catalyst. It's a catalyst I wish we could have avoided, but c'est la vie. I do believe humanity is going to get past this dark period, and that the greater good of mankind will eventually prevail. How long will it take? I dunno. I hope not 1000 years. And, my frustration with the situation led me to say I don't want to come back for 1000 years, but even a couple of days later I realize that I couldn't possibly "sit on the bench" if I felt needed.

We will experience abundance and a great spiritual awakening of the masses, I believe. I just don't think it will dawn before we collectively experience a very dark night.

Dennis

p.s. A tip of the hat to all who have noted that beliefs change - should change - as more and different information is encountered and processed. Though attributes such as integrity should remain resolute and should never flip-flop, it is quite possible that the flexible mind may have wild swings in beliefs held, as new data is processed.

[gripreaper]

I also believe, if I make myself another bowl of popcorn and hang out here at Avalon long enough, I may have an epiphany one day, an "aha" moment.



I'm all ears...

[redheaded stepchild]

Most of my beliefs come from insights and my gut..

1. I believe that the human consciousness exists outside of the human brain/body in a place that is accessible to everyone and may even be part of the Akeshic Record.

2. I believe that consciousness and the 'soul' are separate from each other.

3. I believe that when the human body dies, consciousness joins and mingles with others and the information that it has accumulated in the previous life is recorded in a self-organizing system.

4. I believe that when the human bodies dies, the 'soul' goes on to experience an afterlife of it's own creation.. ie, if the human experience believed in Christ, the soul will experience the biblical heaven or hell. etc..etc.

5. I believe that the controllers of this world (Archons etc) are able to manipulate the human consciousness when it leaves the body and cause it to incarnate again and again.

6. I believe that reincarnation is a trap that keeps us forever recycling so that the controllers, ie, Archons can have a never ending power trip.

7. I believe that it is possible for a human being to live without a 'soul'..(psychopaths?)

8. I believe that human beings should become spiritually militant warriors.

9. And, lastly, I believe that my beliefs will change again as I become..

R.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I don't know what to believe.

[Tane Mahuta]

I want to believe...the truth is out there!!...

'huh', where have I heard that before!!!

nuff said

TM

[kcbc2010]

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

Yep. Agreed.

They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.
Yes. They look for ways to control independent movements which they didn't start.

They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.
There are good people in office, but the system is stacked against them and they will eventually quit or become corrupted. However, the system works regardless of who's in power.

They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy.
I believe that what goes up must come down. America is not too big to fail. The "Market" is not always going to be booming. Things go in cycles. We must let these processes take their course. We can't have newness unless the old dies. I believe there are a lot of good people who don't want to be in the "PTB" club; however, they like us are blackmailed into complacency.

They use chem trails to poison us.
And a lot of other things.

They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

And, they keep devising new and icky ways to kill people.

Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Religion has truth in it, it's just that people get hung up on behavior and who believes what and leaders take advantage of people because of this. Legalism isn't the same as religion. I think that's the part that needs to be stopped.

ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

I think it is possible that we aren't alone and that they use alternative forms of transportation.

Alternative medicine I go along with.

Western Medicine doesn't have all the answers.

Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.
Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

Too many people have been contacted and it's hard to call every one of them crazy. I'm not sure what to think about channelling.

[Maia Gabrial]

I believe that we're all being duped so badly that we don't know which way is up anymore. For example, I think the biggest scam of all is the one that supposedly offers us (false) hope without a shred of proof to back it. All these supposed victories the ET's are having on our behalf.... Sorry, but a person's faith and trust can only be tested so far. The fact that there's no way to prove anything should set off our BS meters.... I tried to believe, I really did....

At one time, I was big believer of the GFL, but now I can add to that the Liberation Forces, Silver Legion and Andromeda Council. Does any of this exist in 3D? Of course not.... Everything I've discoverd regarding ET's only seems to exist in the 4D. George Kavassillas says that the there are many levels in the 4D, not the actual higher dimensions. I believe that.... And since there are so many dark entities being summoned to our world, this could explain why suddenly we have this "help" from all these well-meaning "cosmic friends"....Or it's all a NSA.... IMO this is a distraction from our spiritual paths as well as lessons in discernment....

That's what I believe....

[jcocks]

Of course beliefs change and are transient. But through belief comes eternal knowledge. What I am saying is that certain beliefs get proven to be true to you (and it may just be to you - sometimes the proof is an intensely personal experience that no-one else can possibly understand. It is for you and you alone. That is ok), and then you KNOW in your deepest part of your SOUL that your belief is true, and it crystalises into knowledge. Maybe that is the whole purpose of belief.

So, I will not state what I believe, but what I know :

There are many many many civilizations in this universe, countlesss.
We are loved beyond all comprehension. We are *ALL* loved - not just some of us. We have support behind us we can't imagine, and the ability to tap into that in our times of need if only we will open ourselves up to this love.
The times of the old guard are nearly over, but things are about to get a lot darker before we emerge. And soon.
God exists, but is beyond our comprehension and NOTHING like described by the various religions.

I reserve the right to add to this later But I will never remove from it, this is my ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE deep within my soul, and the personal experiences which have lead to this knowledge are deeply treasured.

Joel

[Maia Gabrial]

So, I will not state what I believe, but what I know :

There are many many many civilizations in this universe, countlesss.
We are loved beyond all comprehension. We are *ALL* loved - not just some of us. We have support behind us we can't imagine, and the ability to tap into that in our times of need if only we will open ourselves up to this love.

HOW do you know that this is true? Did you inner guidance tell you this? Or are you just regurgitating someone else's truth? Please don't take offense at this. I'm at the point where I'm re-evaluating whatever truths I've picked up over the years that turned out to be lies and distractions.... Most of it was wrapped in Love, so that I couldn't distinguish them from the deceptions they were.... I was a fool who was fooled....

There is an enemy that knows us very well and is here now.... supposedly "helping" us....
Just remember that ANYTHING that takes our eyes, hearts and minds away from our true spiritual paths is deception.

The grid is almost down.... Who and what do you want "harvesting" you?

[ghostrider]

great thread , it gets right down to it . A planet full of spirits in bodies trying to be sane in an insane matrix , where every road leads to another . Then you realize there is no road . It's good to be with others who view the world differently than the sleeping masses, thank you all for your passion , your ideas , and your courage to speak your truth from your perspective .