Tell us all what you believe.

[aranuk]

I heard an audio that Jorr posted the other day there, which was in three parts. The three men were discussing the subject of psychopaths and they all seemed to agree Archons like psychopaths. That at least were their opinions. I am a very patient person and to prove it I played competitive chess for 30 years, each game lasting sometimes three hours. Anyway that's why I had the patience to listen to it for nearly four hours. I have never checked out Archons yet but I will after I have posted this. I joined this forum in March 2011 after I had watched all the videos on Camelot. Prior to watching Camelot I had not read or heard of anything like I was hearing on the Camelot videos. So up till that point my knowledge consisted of Astrology, Spirituality, Metaphysics, Politics and not to mention my experience in Building Science. I ran my own building business for 35 yrs.

Anyway these three guys dissed everything we discuss here and ridiculed, Fulford, Wilcock, they meant Drake as well but not by name, and Brockbrader. Every channeler that ever lived or will live in the future they ridiculed. They obviously listen to the videos of these people otherwise why should they mention them. They trashed people who listen to them as if they were all gaga. They more or less made out that we all here on this forum need our brains looked at. If they were indeed trying to get recruits from the alt media they went the wrong way about it, insulting peoples intelligence.

There are a number of people on this forum too who ridicule others who believe certain people or theories. We almost NEVER hear what they DO believe.

Can I ask you to post what you DO believe in these matters? Please don't say you don't believe anything. Everyone believes something.

I am trying to find what is the lowest common denominator here on this forum.

I believe the following:

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.
They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.
They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.
Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.
They TPTB (notice that I didn't say TPTW) I will believe that when I see it. And when I do I will be so happy.
They use chem trails to poison us.
They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.
Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.
ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.
Alternative medicine I go along with.
Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.
Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.
All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

Stan

[RMorgan]

Hey Stan,

I´ll post my notes and beliefs in bold letters.

There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

Agreed, except with the ET/ED part. I think we have screwed our planet all by ourselves.

They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Agreed 100%. A small group of homo sapiens sapiens controls the whole world.

They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.Their methods are corruption of all kinds, no need to mention them all here.

Agreed 100%. Honest politicians just can´t do their work if they don´t make alliances with the bad ones.

They use chem trails to poison us.

Agreed 100%. Not only chemtrails but our food and water is also poisoned.We are also polluting the air, rivers and oceans, all by ourselves.

They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

I´m not sure about that. If they wanted to reduce the population, they wouldn´t have sponsored so many advances in medicine that allow us to live longer than ever.

Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Agreed 100%. Religions are made to keep people docile and under control.

ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

ETs/EDs are probably here, at least if I consider that my own eyes are accurate and reliable, because I´ve seen some weird stuff.

Alternative medicine I go along with.

Some alternative medicines work. Some others are a scam.

Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

I believe in contactees (but not all of them, of course), strictly on personal level. A lot of my friends have seen UFOs and one of them saw one alien being in person. I´ve seen only what I consider to be EDs.

Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.
All the Camelot whistleblowers I tend to believe until I know they are lying. There again some of them may be telling 90% the truth and elaborating a wee bit of lies here and there to make the story easier to believe.

I don´t believe for a second in channeling, at least the kind we´re used to see here. I think these folks are either delusional, schizophrenics, plain liars or have been manipulated by some kind of psy-ops

I also believe the alternative media is not that "alternative". I believe it´s just another face of the same coin, since the internet is not free as we think. The internet is actually owned by TPTB.

They own all internet companies, all huge servers and control the way all information flows on the internet.

I believe the alternative media itself might have been transformed into some sort of huge psy-ops, and it´s fully compromised. It´s been used just like religion, to keep people docile and calm, while the world is an inch away from chaos.

Also, I believe the current system will collapse and the world will live in complete chaos after that.

Then, after a while, people will supplicate for leadership and the NWO will offer a new, but much worse, "improved" version of the old system.

Most people will "learn" to love this system, because they will have to choose to live in a completely chaotic parallel society or to join the organized, and much "safer", dictatorial system.

So, most people will join the NWO by choice.

Other people who resist will be called terrorists and then be hunted down like animals; the other part of people, who joined the NWO, will actually support the hunt, since they will quickly be brainwashed to think the others are actually real "terrorists".

Then, it starts all over again, just under different rules and circumstances.

Two thousand years later (more or less), the NWO system also will collapse, and you know the rest of the story...

It´s the same old game of the rise and fall of empires...

Cheers,

Raf.

[aranuk]

Thank you Raf. You said it like I asked. We more or less agree, don't we?

Stan

[RMorgan]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Thank you Raf. You said it like I asked. We more or less agree, don't we?

Stan

Hey Stan,

I guess we agree 90%.

Thanks for the nice thread!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Prodigal Son]

I believe in apotheosis. The God above Gods was lonely and wanted peers to share unconditional love. The only way to do that was to split off a part of him/herself and let those entities learn through experience what it was like to be God. Each and every galaxy is a sentient being and is evolving back towards the Source. Only a small percentage of those star systems are at the "free will" level but ours is definitely one of them. Rather than being an insignificant speck of dust in some far flung corner of the universe, many eyes are intently focused on the Earth as an integral part of the evolution of the galaxy and each and every one of us has come here in an attempt to fulfill an agreed-upon assignment in the overall process. It's taking billions of years but the end result is guaranteed. The Powers That Be, as evil as they are, provide the resistance to the principles of Love and Compassion. In other words, they are unwittingly playing a vital role in the apotheosis of mankind. They must and will be defeated, it is just a question of how long it will take and by what means.

No suffering is in vain. Everything is being recorded on the Akashic Record and is being entered into the Great Library of Knowledge and Wisdom.

[seko]

I believe that eating fruit, veggies, seeds and nuts you will avoid getting sick and live a healthier life and in balance with nature and cheaper.

Developing our pshychic abilities will help us remember who we are and knowing what are we doing here.

Learning about our body, our chi energy and medicinal plants to avoid doctors, hospitals and dangerous drugs.

ET and ID entities are here to stay and so do we. They got the guns but we are the numbers. Stand up your ground. No fear.

Politics is over rated. Small communities looking after themselves, small round table for decisions and avoid governments.

Knowledge for everyone. No re-ligions.

Respect each other and we will get peace.

[RUSirius]

Stan, I agree with 90% of what you believe, Raf, I only disagree about the next 2000 years with the NWO, however I never thought of it like that, and acknowledge that scenario as a possibility.

[ghostrider]

brilliant words aranuk , one can only tell from their own perspective, others may not agree , but it's still one persons perspective. we must allow the individual the see from their own eyes and make up their own mind without the weight of judgement on them . the ptb want to reduce the population to 500 million by chemtrails, wars, disease, famine ,doctors, judges anything that helps their agenda. religion is distorted history, information is sanitized. everyone is under a form of mind control . the ptb have us looking to space for ET's while ET's walk among us , the lights in the sky are a distraction to keep us looking out there instead of looking inward... humans were brought to earth over 300,000 years ago in the moon . different races were brought from different star systems , first stop was mars , then on to earth . this is what I basically believe. my perception of the world. everything is controlled . it is a giant matrix , a prison built for your mind.

[Dennis Leahy]

Credo:

:~)

I believe in compassion, and suspect that it is the most powerful force created within us or flowing through us (even though "gratitude" supposedly produces measurable force that extends further, physically.)

I believe in oneness, that the Universe is only divided up into discrete pieces by illusion (I think Buddhists got that right.) "Individual" humans are like leaves on trees in a Quaking Aspen stand.

I believe that compassion is the key to break down all walls of fear and of separateness, the way to reconnect humanity in a state far above competitive separateness and yet not quite oneness (separate identities but in loving, accepting, embrace.)

Having been out of my body (just once), I resonate with the material of Dr. Michael Newton and believe in reincarnation (without yet having memories to 'prove' it to myself.)

Though I don't discount the possibility that humans were "seeded" or "enhanced" by other extraterrestrial life forms, I have never (knowingly) met a critter from another world, and until I do, "interactive extraterrestrial" will be theoretical. I do suspect we are being observed by extraterrestrials - we are too dynamic, wild, and crazy to ignore. We are probably a favorite zoo critter to some extraterrestrial species.

I do not believe mankind is controlled by extraterrestrials (even if there is a faction of humans working with a malevolent group of extraterrestrials.)

I believe we are programmed; some is accidental (generational hand-me-down), and some is deliberate (by TPTB - and that includes everything from ancient religions to modern advertising to deliberate fear programming for herding.)

I believe there is already a very powerful world-wide "secret government" (more like the Mafia than a government entity), that has existed for many years, probably hundreds. I think the "New World Order" is the same group boldly stepping from the shadows and flatly telling us that "we own the planet and all of humanity - get over it." I believe that by virtue of the holdings they have (monetary, land, resources, and world-wide banking) that they can control the necessary 100,000 people they need to do their bidding, that, in turn, control 7 billion. Some of them may actually believe in satanism/lucifarianism and may do depraved acts including sacrifice, and of that group, some of them may believe that it increases their power - but it does not. Their power is primarily the power of inheritance of wealth and of continual control (by everything from simple greed to blackmail to murder of the 100,000 they control.)

I believe that the USA is the current viper's nest for the Global Rulers, and that controlling the greatest military force in history and having set up the financial paradigm through the Federal Reserve (and now also World Bank and IMF) are the major reasons for using the US as 'home base', even though these individuals do not see themselves as "belonging to" any country - they see themselves as Global Rulers.

I believe that we are being poisoned in every possible way (air, water, soil, food, emotionally, education, religion) to keep us docile and programmable and compliant. I believe they could create a virus, inoculate themselves, spread the virus and kill most of us - and they have not. So far, at least. That probably means that they need us as low-level workers, as sex toys, as entertainers, and as curiosities.

I believe that 9/11 was an extremely arrogant slap in our faces, showing those among us that are half-awake just how deeply asleep the rest are.

I believe we just had one good shot (The Reset Button*) at taking away the Global Rulers' power, at least the power-base of control of the USA, and that it failed to materialize. I believe it failed because we US citizens have become shattered and splintered far beyond the wildest dreams of the Global Rulers, of merely polarizing us. Every activist stubbornly pounds on a specific brick in the caste wall or just screams at the castle. We have no unity as a block of citizens - we are more like 32 million tribes with 10 in a tribe. We have no chance whatsoever of opposing the will of the Global Rulers' US facade - no one even has a clue how to stop them.
*If that sounds arrogant, remember I didn't "write" it, I synthesized it.

I believe that because US citizens failed to disrupt the Global Rulers US operations in 2012, that the Global Rulers are poised to plunge the planet into a global depression, using the giant derivatives bubble.

I believe that not one of us will be sitting in front of a computer typing what we believe in 6 months. I suspect that now, they are simply waiting for something to align, which could be something as "silly" as waiting for the sun to align with a pyramid or a specific date, or waiting for GHW Bush's Viagra to kick-in. I believe that when the economic tsunami hits, it will make no difference if we were among those that saw it coming, those that finally saw it on the horizon, or the last man floating. I believe the wealth accumulation via our shakedown will be the financial reward to the 100,000 minions of the Global Rulers (who don't need any more of anything except that they MUST have more power.) On an individual level, I have dreamed many times of giving away all I own, in order not to be burdened by ownership. I think it willl be hard, but much harder for others that are defined by and who love their property and their "stuff."

I believe that I reincarnated this time believing that I would have a chance to make a big, positive impact on humanity, and now have to recalibrate my life to just make some small positive impact - and that it makes my heart ache to know it. (Right now, I say I don't want to come back here for a long long time - maybe 1000 years.)

I believe that I probably sound very depressing, but I am more resigned than depressed. I believe that all of this lifetime is a cluster of lessons that I needed to learn, and that I'm not even close to being done learning in this lifetime yet.

Dennis

[markpierre]

I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

[Carmody]

The core of the avatar's design, is that it must break before it can change, Dennis. The combination of fears, nightmare, solution, action and dream.

Oddly, the moment that the psyche/ego of humankind (individual and group) feels it has a hope, it hesitates, waits, backslides...and is, in that moment.... doomed to wait again.

Hope is necessary, but it is also borne (connectivity-but not solely) out of the body's desires and fears. Think of it more as a point of contemplation, this 'hope' thing. A thing that creates thought.... helps rumination, contemplation - 'be'.

As long as a body shapes the origins of thought, then hope as a failure -- is key to success.

It is but a moment of realization, but the origins of all fears/desires in the human system need be addressed, in order to get to that moment that makes it finally work. Where love and compassion are finally given their due, and integrate with the human body in an intensity that out weighs the other two. (fear/desire). when that happens, the view,and thus the input and output data system shift to this more correct orientation, of Love and Compassion.

Therefore, absolute, complete, total failure, with no way out, must be on your mind and in it... before the problems can be overcome.

Are any of you there yet?

[HORIZONS]

As far as this present world system is concerned, I believe that we are in a constant state of downfall - and in this present state we will never fix the things we need to.

As far as a spiritual state, I believe The true condition of all humanity is spiritual, "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Spirit is the infinite truth of our individual being, but the earther, or natural man, is the one we see, hear, taste, touch, smell, and deal with on a day-to-day basis: This is the matrix we find ourselves living in. This earther matrix that we have is a finite concept we entertain in our understanding of this holographic universe, and this takes place in our minds because of our low viberational and spiritual condition. This matrix of our limited five physical senses is what we must rise out of – and this present paradigm of human living and understanding which we find ourselves immersed within must be transformed.

Spiritual consciousness on the other hand embodies all of the multi-verse but all that is manifested in our visible universe does not completely embody spiritual consciousness. All that the Infinite is I am but not all that I am is Infinite. Therefore, there is that element about me which is finite, and that aspect of me is limited in this 3D earther expression. This is the reason we feel the need to search out and to know the truth – that we might become free from the bondage of this corruptible state of being – this feeling that we have deep within us that this expression of life is wrong – that this is not the way it is supposed to be. So we search out knowledge of all sorts that we may know and understand the reasoning’s behind the veil that has been pulled down over our eyes, obstructing our view of our true reality, that we intuitively know and feel is out there somewhere, if we can only find it.

In this matrix of illusions the earther does not receive the benefits of spiritual consciousness – nor can we as such know them on the natural level of life – we are in a low viberational condition, under earther-consciousness, and the human being that is bound to this natural earth body is ruled by the mind of the flesh, and under its dark dominion.
For someone to say that the earther is Infinite or a god of some sort is a misconception. It is a self-centered lie that has contributed to the demise of man from the beginning of our present epoch: natural man thinking himself to be something that he is not, and trying to be that which only the Infinite is within him. The earther human is a naturally minded human being, born into this matrix and its conditions, and can only expect to see the laws of duality – of good and evil – in their experience. The person that has been re-birthed of the Spirit has become a spiritually minded being, no longer bound to the earther-consciousness and its duality. He/she should then expect to see the results of Spiritual Truth in operation as they become free of the conditioned mindsets that have been programmed within them as their understanding of reality and as their own unique individual expression of spiritual consciousness unfolds in their life experience. But this is not an automatic happening, and it must be sought out with much diligence and preservation. This is the ascension-life that many of us seek after – to realize and to experience – that we may move beyond the pale and into a new individual and collective life experience – a world transformed by spiritual consciousness.

We can ascend in this present life to that spiritual state which the Infinite has created us to be, and the PTB do not want you to know this and are doing everything in their power to interfere with your spiritual progress. The earther man is of the earth—earthy – and in this state we can only express that state of low viberational consciousness that is depicted by the status quo of the sleeping masses. This is the reason why most everything in our modern world has been designed to dumb us down and keep us in the low viberational expression we see ramped up today in every facet of society. The energy of this matrix is being manipulated at every level, and therefore it has become an extreme challenge to see through the illusions that are being presented to us – hence the need for us to cultivate our individual spiritual consciousness.

Looking for an external condition like a comet, a planet, an energy ribbon, a date on the calendar, the alignment of the stars, ET disclosure, the rapture or some other future ascension will not permanently take you out of this matrix, nor bring you into a higher level of spiritual consciousness and expression of life – this must be cultivated within your own state of individual consciousness and then made manifest in this world as your experience. External conditions may help to aid us in our spiritual evolution, but it is up to us as individuals to harness the energy of the Spirit and bring it into our collective experience and then to Balance the energies of this matrix and thereby bring about the change we desire into this world. We do this by “being the change we wish to see” through our individual spiritual unfoldment. What we believe is what we are in our life expression, and our present state of consciousness is made manifest as our material world. Within this matrix – this energy construct – in this holographic universe we have the ability to create and change the programming that we have been living/suffering under. It is up to us to change the way things are and into the way we desire them to be – but we must be willing to change and to learn and to grow into a higher modality of life and liberty in the human condition.

The higher viberational life-expression that mankind learns to live, have motion and have their being in, the higher their thoughts have become above this earther condition – beyond the 3D world and all its illusions – and their individual spiritual consciousness is the modus operandi that transforms their expression of reality into that which they behold. This individual of spiritual consciousness is the real you, the person after the image and likeness of the Infinite Itself, and this is who we truly are at our core being, but we can only enter into this spiritual reality by rebirth and renewal of the human condition.
~
Our consciousness determines our outward expression. Intellectual knowledge is not enough. Whatever degree of Truth we have absorbed in consciousness, it is that Truth that will govern our life!

Peace to you all!!

[bennycog]

i believe in the vibrations that maintain our existence and the energy that holds it together..
and i believe we are teaming with life that feed off of many different things to keep them in there place of existence..
i beleive in trying to be as good as you can be without being gullible is essential for us..
and i believe we forever live on through our kin and throught the universe..

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by markpierre (here)
I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

Beliefs are a very pure substitute for knowing.


All is well


Jorr

[aranuk]

Thanks to all above! I am a wee bit tired now I must sleep. I will return tomorrow and make comments to all WTGOGGI.

Stan

[markpierre]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)
I believe that beliefs are a pathology. That included.

Beliefs are a very pure substitute for knowing.


All is well


Jorr

'Pale' did you say? There is no substitute for knowing, just 'not' knowing.

Added: Oops...I fully 'believe' that.

Crazy, I know.

[GoingOn]

Posted by aranuk (here)

If you are going to post here, please post what you believe to be so. This way we can get an idea where we all agree. Then and only then will we be able to discuss where we want to go from there in trying to improve this earth.
Please don't start arguing about what anyone says here. State what you do believe.

Stan

I believe anything I think could be wrong. I don't think every thought I have is worthy of extensive evaluation.

I also believe:
- this is all a ride,
- I am consciousness in a body having experiences,
- I joined PA to participate in changing experiences on Earth.

Thank you for the opportunity to state my beliefs, Stan.

[RedeZra]

Posted by aranuk (here)
There is a powerful elite that run the planet. They may or may not have ET/ED help.

Yupp perhaps Nephilim bloodline and so in league with archons or demons


They are in control of most advanced country's political systems. Most of all the other ones too.

Yupp they see humanity as serfs or slaves


They prevent honest politicians (in my view there are not many) from taking office and only allow the corrupt villains to take high office.

Yupp obey or die


They use chem trails to poison us.

Yupp chem trails with multipurpose like maybe hiding planet x


They are trying to get the population of the planet down to 500 million.

Yupp or 2 billion max


Religions have been keeping the people misinformed for thousands of years. That has to be stopped.

Yupp except Judaism and Christianity which has been somewhat compromised and subverted but God and the Bible are both preserved


ET/ED's I still have not made up my mind, however, going what a lot of people say on the Camelot interviews I must say it looks pretty certain they are around.
UFO's Although I have never seen any, there are far too many sightings all over the world, to be a hoax.

Yupp real deal astral manifestations but some are probably made here on earth too


Contactees: I don't know. Nice stories. However there are many reports of contactees under hypnosis that seems to verify it all. I believe there is truth in a lot of the cases.

Yupp contacts occur from both astral archons or demons and black ops


Channelling: I did it with 16 childrens stories 14 yrs ago. Why not other people. I'm sure there are imposters.

Yupp channeling occurs from both astral archons or demons and black ops

so imo the PTB are in league with archons or demons against humanity

[ViralSpiral]

Hard to believe that the three pairs of nuns are the same size.
In the same way, most of what we see is illusion.
Today I resonate with 90% of what you posted Stan, and I too believe that I will experience a different reality in 6 months time.

What I know for sure is [thanks Oprah ], that we are all vulnerable and yet underestimate our own power.
Looking for solutions and beliefs outside of ourselves, stunts us. Having access to information though, "teaches"us.
Discrepancies in perceptions is a human failing ...



Thank you for the thread.

[seantimberwolf]

Great thred

I belive that we all belong to nature, that this entire planet is a living entity, and we are throwing it out of control with our pollution.
But mostly just our negative attitude throws the planet out of sync.

There is no ONE god, but everything has a spirit and we should connect to that, we should realise humans are not THE MOST IMPORTANT thing on this earth, every thing has a right to be.
If you die because a Bear attacks you, so be it, you kept the chain alive that bear may of had cubs to feed, would you rather die a pointless death from a cancer caused by toxic foods made avaliable by our illustrious government, i know what i would choose.

I also belive humans need to abandon this current path we are on, none of our society works in unison with nature, it has to be scraped, cars, electronics, drugs, synthetic materials on our skin, it all has created a divide like none before, kids are now affraid of nature, some idiots even say things like "i dont do nature"

This may not be a popular notion but i do belive the earths population needs to be decreased, it is WAY to high and the earth could not support us if we returned to her, im not saying the inocent need to die, but there are enough evil and underevolved humans in this world to be rid of and leave the ones who can respect each other and nature.
Its just an unfortunate fact, (one delibratly created by TPTB) that we are over populated and nature no longer removes the weak as she should.

It may sound harsh but i belive it was all done for a reason to make us strong and true to ourselves, allowing every-single-person to live ever creates a imbalance amoung the earth, the whole universe must balance.


SeanTimberwolf