Water Of Life - Hidden In Plain Sight

[sigma6]

Andrew Norton Webber - Fireside Chat - Distilled Water & Liquid Therapies - Nov 19th, 2011

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbQ7Qt22qzU

Andrew Norton Webber - Fireside Chat - Healing w Distilled Water - Feb 12th, 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2asqzNV2R0

Andrew Norton Webber - Fireside Chat - Distilled Water Therapy - Mar 3rd, 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyRGDcqWBX8

Andrew Norton Webber - Hundredth Monkey Radio - March 4th, 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxJqDrafo28

[sigma6]

Santos Bonacci w Andrew Norton Webber - These Changing Timez Radio - Distilled Waters - April 5th, 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1__SrtxSCA

Santos Bonacci w Andrew Norton Webber - American Freedom Radio - Distilled Waters - April 21st, 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hvYWMXLWnA

Santos Bonacci w Andrew Norton Webber - American Freedom Radio - Distilled Waters - May 19th, 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfgfleJOZg

Andrew Norton Webber w Lisa Harrison - Apr 25, 2012 * *

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw

[sigma6]

Water for Life - Urine Therapy - JW Armstrong audio book

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlVqdHVLuA

Air Wells, Fog Fences & Dew Ponds
http://www.rexresearch.com/airwells/airwells.htm

[Kumonitori]

Viewing Andrew Norton's video, I became convinced that distilled water really is the way to go, and that all this time I'd be duped into thinking mineral water was good and essential for the body. However, doing a bit of research I'm getting more and more confused.

I've studied a bit about water through Callum Coats' Living Energies, explaining about the theories of Viktor Schauberger, the Water Wizard. Viktor claims that distilled water is not mature water and can be harmful if drunk continuously long-term.

Below is an excerpt from the book "Living Energies"P.114

DISTILLED WATER
This is what is considered physically and chemically to be the purest form of water.Having no characteristics other then total purity, it has a pre-programmed will to unite with or acquire, to extract or attract to itself all the substances it needs to become mature itself,and therefore absorbs and grasps at everything within reach. Such water is really quite dangerous if drunk continuously long term.When distilled water (aqua destillata) is drunk it acts as a purgative, stripping the body of trace minerals and elements. On occasion it has been used for its short-term therapeutic effect, such as in the so-called 'Kneipp cure', where it acts to purge the body of excessive deposits of various materials.

He describes the suitability of drinking water in these general classifications:
Distilled Water, Meteoric Water (rain water), Juvenile water, surface water, groundwater, true spring water, saying that true spring water is "...very high in dissolved carbons and minerals, and of the highest possible quality." P.114

I've found a site on the internet that explains this concept of "organic" and "inorganic" mineral from a chemist point of view, saying that this is a "new gimmick" and this is a Myth and that "...There is no such thing as organic minerals. All minerals that play many functions in our body are inorganic minerals."

http://www.kabencompany.com/article-...inorganic.html

I'm a bit upset about all this confusion and possible "dis-info" of this story told by Andrew re. distilled water, (if untrue) -- or could it be a "placebo" effect experienced by these people that start drinking distilled water. I'm not really sure at all about any of this right now.

I'd like to hear more from those on the forum that may be an expert in this field, or have deep knowledge of the chemistry of our body functioning.

[sigma6]

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Have you looked into fermented Skate Liver Oil or fermented Cod Liver Oil for decalcifying your pineal gland?

I would add that UT and the solvency of distilled water is simple to understand, and universally available. There is something karmic in being immediately rewarded for adjusting your perception to a higher truth and reality as the only 'entrance fee' to such profound benefits. My focus is on adjusting my understanding and perception to the existing reality. See the chronological listing of all ANW's links...

I am convinced based on what I have experienced and studied so far that urine is the best of all worlds. It is sterile upon exit, anti virus, anti bacterial, and any vitamins and minerals or any other 'too numerous to list' biological agents are perfectly bioavailable.

Although the essences and antigens have been stated by scientists as being too little in availability, in and of themselves, to be directly affective. However,what they overlook is the biological information they provide to your own body's glands, as Andrew's own example of overcoming his allergies to walnuts and wasp stings show.

Also the "Drink your pee" (video cartoon) indicates that in fact urea is NOT a 'waste' product at all, quite the opposite (is there anything MSM doesn't turn into it's opposite???) urea goes through a process with ammonia to create glutamine, an amino acid that builds brain and intestinal tissue and many other proteins. Again this is profound in all its implications.

I'm not waiting for the scientists to 'prove' what thousands and thousands and thousands of case studies have already 'proven' . Case studies in that number and scale ARE statistically (and thus scientifically) relevant btw...

[sigma6]

Posted by Kumonitori (here)
Viewing Andrew Norton's video, I became convinced that distilled water really is the way to go, and that all this time I'd be duped into thinking mineral water was good and essential for the body. However, doing a bit of research I'm getting more and more confused.

I've studied a bit about water through Callum Coats' Living Energies, explaining about the theories of Viktor Schauberger, the Water Wizard. Viktor claims that distilled water is not mature water and can be harmful if drunk continuously long-term.

Below is an excerpt from the book "Living Energies"P.114

DISTILLED WATER
This is what is considered physically and chemically to be the purest form of water.Having no characteristics other then total purity, it has a pre-programmed will to unite with or acquire, to extract or attract to itself all the substances it needs to become mature itself,and therefore absorbs and grasps at everything within reach. Such water is really quite dangerous if drunk continuously long term.When distilled water (aqua destillata) is drunk it acts as a purgative, stripping the body of trace minerals and elements. On occasion it has been used for its short-term therapeutic effect, such as in the so-called 'Kneipp cure', where it acts to purge the body of excessive deposits of various materials.

He describes the suitability of drinking water in these general classifications:
Distilled Water, Meteoric Water (rain water), Juvenile water, surface water, groundwater, true spring water, saying that true spring water is "...very high in dissolved carbons and minerals, and of the highest possible quality." P.114

I've found a site on the internet that explains this concept of "organic" and "inorganic" mineral from a chemist point of view, saying that this is a "new gimmick" and this is a Myth and that "...There is no such thing as organic minerals. All minerals that play many functions in our body are inorganic minerals."

http://www.kabencompany.com/article-...inorganic.html

I'm a bit upset about all this confusion and possible "dis-info" of this story told by Andrew re. distilled water, (if untrue) -- or could it be a "placebo" effect experienced by these people that start drinking distilled water. I'm not really sure at all about any of this right now.

I'd like to hear more from those on the forum that may be an expert in this field, or have deep knowledge of the chemistry of our body functioning.

I think you've got some good points Kumonitori.

I too am ambivalent of some of the things Andrew says, but not because what he is saying is misleading, but clearly he is an artist and not a scientist. Therefore what he is saying may or may not be 'scientific'. However I do believe that the testimonials he speaks of are true. He may not be scientifically accurate in his descriptions, but I believe it is his best understanding of "why" what he is seeing and experiencing is happening. It rings true, seems to have consensus in the thousands of testimonials that he has directly received and in the thousands of testimonials from J. Armstrong's book "Water of Life" and the fact that it has been passed down for thousands of years.

If it was just a placebo effect it would only work on approx 30% of the people and it wouldn't last through thousands of years or thousands of testimonials. If you go to his website, he does have other Doctors that do claim distilled water is beneficial. He himself is saying that drinking one gallon a day of distilled water sources (urine, juices, rain, dew, machine distilled) removes the the underlying cause of ALL dis-eases (which also happens to be approx the amount an average individual consumes and urinates in a day)

That this is so, should be intuitive to any engineer. i.e. that removing foreign material (dirt, pollution, garbage, waste, etc. or anything not directly part of any complex machine) will maintain that system indefinitely. There are famous chemists that do promote 'distilled water' http://www.aquatechnology.net/frame426340.html Andrew's website lists 24 Doctors. I don't look up to Doctors and Lawyers anymore then I look up to Auto mechanics or Plumbers, and I have met enough incompetents in all fields to realize the 80-20 rule is universal. ie. 80% of what you hear is mediocre to begin with. Thus self responsibility and doing one's own homework is essential. I have accumulated about a dozen .pdfs (which I will try to make available on 4shared) and watched about a dozen videos and have tried it out for the last few weeks. It now makes even more sense.

There are people who have drunken a gallon of distilled water for over two years and reversed cancer. There are people who have drunken their own urine for years and reversed cancer. All these examples and others cannot be purely placebo effects. That just wouldn't be scientifically reasonable either. Follow the money, who stands to gain from our collective 'confusion'? Transcend your fear (of the unknown) it takes a little effort, but is well within the reach everyone who chooses to seek it.

Lately I have been thinking about the 'controversy' issue. Water isn't that complex a science. The fact there is 'confusion' is now starting to make me question what is really going on ...there is no question in my mind that someone is purposely misleading the people here. So apply the simple rule, who has the most to gain from misleading so many people? The rest should become self explanatory.

Distilled water comes from urine, rain, fog and dew, natural juices, and distillation machines in that order of quality. Andrew is an artist who is supported by another artist, they believe (based on their own and other's 'experience' that this will give power back to individual people). They promote this idea including a book he is writing for no personal financial gain, and without copyright.

[Kumonitori]

Hi Sigma6,

Thanks for your response.

>Distilled water comes from urine, rain, fog and dew, natural juices, and distillation machines in that order of quality.

I too agree that there must be an order to the quality and benefits of the type of liquid that we ingest.
But, I am uncertain about the order as to weather it's urine first or natural juice or rain or machine distilled water. I have a feeling that maybe machine made would be at the bottom of the order in the list of distilled liquids.

As reference, it's interesting to look at Viktor's order of the quality of water in terms of quality for drinking. (below)

Fresh Water has principal qualities, which can be differentiated according to drinking quality.

Drinking Water Type Description Quality

Distilled water Purest water, Contains no other elements. bad
Meteoric (rainwater) Contains some atmospheric gases. poor
Juvenile (immature water) Contains few minerals or trace elements. poor
Surface water (dams, Contains some minerals and salts accumulated by
reservoirs, rivers) Contact with the soil. adequate
Groundwater Contains a greater quantity of minerals. good
Seepage-spring water As for groundwater. good
True spring water High in dissolved carbons and minerals best
Artesian water Deep-lying water which may be fresh or saline and
can contain a variety of dissolved elements and gases variable


My unscientific guess is that urine would be placed somewhere between "Surface water" and "ground water" -- and for the necessary nutrients and minerals, it would be best to drink fruit and vegetable juice.


Further quoting Living Energies, Vikor says:
"METEORIC WATER - RAINWATER While the purest naturally available water,
noxious atmospheric pollutants aside, meteoric water or rainwater is also unsuitable for drinking in the long term. It is marginally better than distilled water and slightly richer in minerals, due to the absorption of atmospheric gases and dust particles. As a living organism it is still in adolescence, still immature, and needs to undergo certain ripening processes in order to be able to be absorbed by the body and to be of benefit to it. When drunk as melted snow-water, it also gives rise to certain deficiencies and if no other water is available on occasion can result in goitre, the enlargement of the thyroid gland." P114

[Christine]

I bought this water distiller at the suggestion of the owner of SilverGen (a high quality colloidal silver generator). It is very inexpensive and works credibly well. For the purpose of making colloidal silver he suggests double distilling. Made in China (obviously due to price), has a stainless steel chamber and I have used it at least fifteen times without a problem. On Amazon the same distiller costs $169 and on this site it is offered for $99.

http://wholesalewaterdistillers.com/...er-distillers/



Hope this comes in useful.

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Hi...


We are all powerful spiritual beings, that cannot die, right?. I bet we are gonna laugh about this one, on the other side..
That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all, if it feels right for you, go for it.

I personally just give thanks to the water before I drink it, if that kills this body, so be it...

[sigma6]

Viktor Schauberger again was just one individual, his genius doesn't seem to lie in the biochemical area, just as Aristotle once thought all women had 32 teeth, etc. Although he was a naturalist, he seemed to have a genius for the physical behaviour and physical properties of water, its physical dynamics and movement. This focus on the dynamics and motion of water led to the development of various types of 'machinery' that interacted with it on that level. Water is multifaceted in all its properties, I don't think he grasped every faucet of every understanding related to water (excuse the pun) Yet he does admit that distilled water was used 'therapeutically to cure illness!" People have been drinking distilled water continuously for years, without ill effect, and if they only increased it to over a gallon they would be in a state of constant positive cleansing.

I think that urine is considered 'the best' can be stated as an 'overall' type of statement. If you listen to all of Webber's interviews there are some very interesting things that come out in certain interviews, but not others,. ie. that there are certain people who were 'recorded' as having lived for over 200 to 300 years, people who were shipwrecked or similar, experiencing 'miraculous' cures. In fact what is so interesting is that a great majority of people who have tried it, did so out of desperation and a last resort. Contemplate this for a moment, it makes sense. They didn't have all the available information that we can now muster. So I imagine many DIDN'T do it initially on pure faith, but desperation. Yet again there are thousands of particularly unique testimonials and case studies, thousands! This is a pretty non random, specific activity, ie. drinking large quantities of 'urine' while fasting for a period of 20 to 30 days and they don't just 'barely' survive but have 'miraculous' cures 180 degrees the opposite of what we would expect. How does one explain this? Luck? coincidence? falsified stories?

Apparentlly it is 'clean blood' that is distilled by the kidneys, for the purpose of keeping back about 99% plus of what is 'filtered' or 'distilled'. So it is 'best' for the individual who creates it in the sense that is contains all the biofeedback information that that particular biological entity needs to tell their body exactly where it needs to balance and cure itself. Also the fact that it is immediately available for each individual. And apart from being 'distilled' which is remarkable in itself. Again the only thing preventing each individual of a cure for every ailment is their own ignorance and fear. (how karmic) It contains 'numerous' elements that benefit the individual taking it. It doesn't sound like you have actually watched all the videos, and I wonder how many books on urine therapy you have actually read (just curious, I have a dozen or so that I am going to try and make available)

It just doesn't sound like you have read the book 'Water of Life' the in the Scribd doc link available at Andrew's website www.aquariusthewaterbearer.com Or maybe you have and don't 'believe' it?? In any event in that book, (should you choose to believe what it says) people who were 'told' by Doctors that they was 'nothing more that could be done' and told 'they were going to die' were the typical castaways that became Armstrong's patients (before the Medical powers made it illegal for him to cure them) and he always and immediately put them on a strict fast, of their own urine. From children to old alike. Apparently in Armstrong's lifetime, because of his own personal experience, he ended up treating and curing over 20,000 other people. Again this was no random sample of people, it was the desperate, the 'terminally ill', recorded as being 'given up on' by orthodox medicine. They were dying or being killed with drugs, surgery, etc and TOLD they were going to die.

In cases where some were so ill their kidneys were barely able to produce urine, and what was produced was dark, strong smelling, etc. They too were specifically instructed to drink 'every drop of it' and were even provided with a 'pint of his own urine to get them started' on occasion. Again I don't think it was a 'coincidence' that over 20,000 of the worst possible imaginable cases were cured, or that it was placebo. Either he and all the other authors from all over the world in different times, who wrote of these individual case studies and testimonials are lying or there is an indisputable phenomena at work here. (regardless whether we 'understand it scientifically' or not.

So yes I think from the viewpoint of miraculous physical cure, bioavailability, and universal accessibility, everyone's own urine is the 'best' and most perfect form of distilled water for them, even better then imperfectly 'machine distilled' (which seems to be the 'popular thing'. And again according to the personal testimonials that Andrew is getting directly from individuals over the past couple years, it is people who do UT that get results three times quicker then just "distilled water drinkers". That puts it 'ahead' of at least machine distilled based on results reported by those actually doing it and reporting results.

Just because something initially sounds disgusting may be biasing people's view points. Cognitive dissonance is real and occurs. Since I am aware of it as a bias, I make a point of counter balancing and resisting it. People who can't 'handle it' don't want it to be happening. That is unfortunate, and in-congruent with what seems to be happening, but there you have it. Some people just don't want to believe an overwhelming amount of real life stories.

The PTB can so easily manipulate this kind of thinking into whatever their various agendas are whether it be selling $4000 dollar Kangen water systems, or $1500 dollar distillators, or a medical pharmaceutical industry that translates into billions and trilliions, that is trying to regulate vitamins, withhold cancer cures like marijuana (best anti-depressant in the world as well, sssh but thats a secret! etc, etc, ad nauseum. Apparently statistics are telling us the sale of their procedures, products, and technology, kill approx a quarter million people every year, and ironically even advertise this, albeit showing us re-assuring commercials of young beautiful people with serious expressions wearing white lab coats saying one thing, while in the background a voice cryptically states in sped up voice a list of side effects too numerous to write down, upto and almost always including death. Yet it works, it provides just enough programming to let the Doctor finish the last leg of delivery to the patient. Yet what are you supposed to think when a Doctor is quoted as saying "I help people to die"?

I have worked in hospitals for years, including being able to watch live operations in the OR. Believe me you don't want to send your relatives or yourself there. It's all about MONEY and the POLITICS promoting the MEDICAL pharmaceutical and surgical ideals. The Doctors and Surgeons in hospitals are treated like high priests, the next level is a phalanx of Nurses who are so overpaid they have become a powerful political force within the hospitals. They make enough in one 12 hr shift (that they usually sleep through 3 hours of) what others have to work a week for. There is NO question the money is being spread far and wide down the many tiers of of this institutional money vacuum. The attitude is a sophisticated version of "People are going to die anyway. So let's make it look all scientific and high browed, ok everybody get behind and start pushing!..." it's what the uneducated and ignorant seem most impressed by.

The Medical and pharmaceutical industries were nurtured and funded by the Rockefellar, Ford Foundations into multi-trillion dollar industries. They KNEW even back then as they know today that things like cancer were fungal and that vaccines caused death (it was COMMON knowledge BACK THEN) . Despite trillions of dollars spent year over year people have still managed to hang onto the truth because of books like Armstrong's that mention these things written over 70 years ago based on his lifetime or personal experience dealing with these doctors who weren't so patronistic and financially insulated, as they seem today.

Once last thing. In all the information, notes, texts, books, reviews, etc. I have never seen a personal account from someone who has actually tried the protocols as described and reported anything negative, quite the opposite. Yet if it were not real there should be thousands of such accounts, but they simply don't exist. It seems all the 'negative', 'unsure', or 'confused' reports are from people who HAVEN'T tried it. Again I believe the information is clear, if we are open minded enough to see the big picture as well as to know what to look for. It should be straightforward.

It's really a test; you have now been exposed to just how programmed you really are. On the one side are all the social institutions that program and control your thoughts and behaviour, slowly sucking your life blood and productivity, setting up your body to self destruct at a 'safe' age of 55 to 65. (think of the millions they save) and on the other is your own independence and freedom, to take back your health, to control your weight, remove toxins, heavy metals, eliminate arthritis, heart disease, etc. and rebuild your internal balance. A simple life skill that could immediately save your life in a physical emergency. More priceless then any artificial insurance you could buy. All within your own power, but you have to exercise your will power, you must overcome what you know is a false illusion. You either stay in the artificial matrix of false illusion or get back in touch with the physical reality of your own awesome creation.

[Kindred]

I don't know if was mentioned in any of the previous posts, but having been in the electrical utility industry I'm aware of some interesting info, namely, that ALL steam turbines MUST have distilled water to operate. Any impurities will damage the turbine blades, due to the extremely high speed of the blades. And we're talking about a LOT of water. Think of the amount of steam in tubing 1ft+ in diameter at 5000 psi, moving at Very high speed over Very long distances (the size of a football field). That's a LOT of Distilled water.

I remember asking one of the engineers about how one could get some of this water... his reply was "Oh... you don't want to drink That stuff... it has No Taste!". (Just what I thought... and just as it Should be!) But, no point in 'arguing'...

If the electric companies need a new business model when FREE ZPE becomes available... they may want to look into selling distilled water!

In Unity, Peace and Love

[sigma6]

People trust what they are told by their 'educators', but the famous 1982 Norman Dodd - G Edward Griffin interview should be watched by everybody who has difficulty believing how much effort has been put into the compartmentalisation and mind control of the entire population. We have to learn how to stop 'kissing' so much A**. Everytime someone says I'm a Doctor, a Lawyer, a PhD, people suspend all critical thinking and don't double check or question anything, SCIENCE is not perfect, and even less effective when people are not critical observers or questioning the process itself and the knowledge that it creates. This reminds me of an interview by Joseph P Farrell where he stated that Maxwell's quadratic equations regarding electrical theory were removed from text books (as being too complicated) and replaced by other equations, because he suspected they actually led to mathematical proofs or evidence of 'overunity'. I am not surprised why people suffer and die from so many diseases so much as how anyone manages to stay healthy. Our modern society no longer impresses me so much as the fact that we can operate with so much carefully placed disinformation and still basically function. Hopefully the 'awakening' that is happening all around the world will continue and those invested in the "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" school will start to pull their heads out of their arses and realize what they are doing to their children's futures.

[Kumonitori]

Thank you sigma6,
I will read up on this book, "water of life".
Looking at the content of Urine: 95% is water, 2.5% is urea, and 2.5% a mixture of minerals, salts, hormones, and enzymes -- it may be that this 5% that is not pure water is what distinguishes it from machine made distilled water. This idea that your own urine contain important "information" is very interesting and recycling the "information" repeatedly through your body makes sense.

The point Andrew makes about wetting an area under your tongue with your own urine right after a bee-sting (for those allergic to bee-stings and walnuts) within 15 s to get the "information" you need for it to act as antibody (and for the Thyroid glands to "read" as the urine is absorbed through the membrane under your toungue), seems to be too quick of an "information" transfer through the body system to undergo an immune response. OR is it that fast?
I would imagine that this "poison-information" would have to travel through the blood circulatory system, make its' way to the kidneys, take a while to filter and then pass down to your bladders. All that in 15 seconds would be really fast I'd say.

[sigma6]

Another good question, I am impressed at how you have articulated my own thoughts, i.e. how can 'urine' and natural 'juices' be both distilled and yet contain certain elements, I suspect they are 'specialized' in some manner, that the substances are controlled and specific in their functional usefulness. I imagine it is like two stages, one is the purifying process, and the other is the introduction or remainder of functional elements.

There is a beneficial biological utility in both cases specific to human health. But it still begs the question, maybe there is some way to forward that to Andrew Norton Webber, he seems open to the feedback from listeners.

I wanted to add these videos and text files before this thread gets too bloated and hard to search with distractions... so that people can use this as a one stop starting point and source of information.

Here are the .pdf files promised, they are located on 4shared. Not sure but it looks like you have to have a 4shared account now to access other 4shared files? In any case if you get an account it's a free 10 or 15 GB that is really handy, it's free and easy to save data on... here is a link to a folder containing a dozen .pdfs on UT.

http://www.4shared.com/dir/nvUiiTFn/...led_Water.html

UT - Auto UT
UT - Basic Mechanism
UT - Campbell M Gold
UT - Confessions of a Mad Pee Drinker
UT - Natural Benefits - Jagdish R Bhurani
UT - Shivabu Kalpa
UT - Shivambu Gita - Dr GK Thakkar
UT - Shivambu Shastra
UT - Skype Notes
UT - Uropathy
UT - Water Of Life

[sigma6]

Posted by Carolin (here)
I really think there is something to this.....it makes perfect sense to me. Then again so does urine therapy but I can't get over the yuck factor. I was able to get 3L of pure water down yesterday. Can anybody explain why my body temp felt like it was cranked up to high?

Watch Andrew's video he talks about that, I haven't experienced that directly myself, and I forgot exactly what he said regarding that, but it could be an initial cleansing effect...

Personally from my last update I went 7 days with no food, crapped out (excuse the pun) and started eating by 'accident' (those dam parasites I'll bet!) got it under control and went on another fast cheated the first few days with tiny munchies but have made it to about 3 days straight with about a gallon a day of just 'distilled liquids'. It is amazing how well controlled my appetite is compared to regular 'dieting', so expect trial and error, and just keep going, have distilled water or a juicer on hand, to supplement what you will be 'dumping out'. I am still experiencing cleansing and am going to say it is the 20-30 years of amalgams being worked on. My goal is to get through 3 weeks, then I will be able to report on my own experience.

[sigma6]

Posted by La Tigra (here)
I bought this water distiller at the suggestion of the owner of SilverGen (a high quality colloidal silver generator). It is very inexpensive and works credibly well. For the purpose of making colloidal silver he suggests double distilling. Made in China (obviously due to price), has a stainless steel chamber and I have used it at least fifteen times without a problem. On Amazon the same distiller costs $169 and on this site it is offered for $99.

http://wholesalewaterdistillers.com/...er-distillers/



Hope this comes in useful.

Thanks for this link La Tigra, I just ordered the $139 model. I talked with the guy on the phone for a good long time, (I suspect he was the owner for certain reasons I won't get into, although he denied it... lol) and we discussed the market, and all the politics, from more exspensive models, to the 'hate' competition, the misinformation, drop shippers, the number of companies that went bankrupt, etc. Bottom line is these guys definitely have been around for a while, buy huge quantities, and have always made a policy of giving feedback to their manufacturer - suppliers (some listen, some didn't and went out of business!) I couldn't believe how no nonsense he was compared to all the other places I have talked to.

The biggest point I got from him was that the more expensive stainless steel units are maintenance heavy and price controlled by the manufacturers (which is probably why Polar Bear went out of business) They were also trying to push them using MLM schemes (ie. selling the huge front end profit margins to be made using their carefully pitched 'hard sell' techniques ...(say no more) and they also left a much more noticeable 'metallic taste' in the water (Check Mercola.com for info on allergies to nickel and vanadium)

The $139 units have recent modifications that prevent the breakdown of the fuse (replaced with a breaker) the external plug is permanently attached to the unit (additional connection can weaken and become a fire hazard over time, he hasn't updated the photos on this, but it has already been 'simplified') the top component (or fan base) is all stainless (eliminating a plastic ceiling and a rubber seal) and contains a 'shield' that blocks water sputter entering into the condenser coils, the filtre is bigger with increased surface contact, and meets some kind of water standard test, and the boiling chamber is a new polished stainless finish which should reduce any metallic 'transference' and is easier to clean. They operate at a higher wattage and do the job in 3 hrs instead of 5-5.5 hrs (minor issue imo)

All around I was very impressed, as what he told me was the exact opposite of what my local "Precision" water distiller Dealer preached. She insisted these units are worthless, she acted like the particulates they removed weren't that important at all (ie. she is telling me they do the same job), also as an aside, she admitted to having some kind of allergy even though she has drunk 'distilled water' for the last 30 years?? (made me think of Mercola's reference and maybe she needs to do a gallon a day cleanse, and perhaps from a different model too?)

Ironically, she was telling me how reliable they were, yet at the same time she kept saying she had to get back to making repairs on customer's units! which I could tell was just a ruse as she wouldn't let me get off the phone while she was trying to extract all kinds of personal information (time immediacy technique, 'fishing' = ...'hard sell' indicator) Overall she was a huge 'hard sell' talking about herself, her integrity, and how she was all about quality, and about her concern that the smaller units weren't 'fractional units like the Precisions', (ie. meaning they remove v.o.c.'s as part of their internal design?) yet at the same time said that the Precisions have to be filtered going in and after coming out anyway?? (I think she was pushing additional water filtration sales on the side, but never got that far...) She also said the problem with the smaller units is that they never change the design (well that certainly isn't the case now! at any rate! in fact it would be quite the opposite according to 'Mr Waterdistiller' he mentioned how his company repeatedly asked Precision (or was it bankrupt Polar Bear?) to adjust the size of a part on the unit based on customer feedback experience, and they refused! And Ms 'Hardsell' on the other hand did in fact acknowledge that 'some' of the Precisions did leave a taste (but 'smoothed' over it, I forgot how exactly);-).

I definitely found the guy to be way more congruent then Mrs. 'hardsell' I am certain that both were the owners (and I managed to talk to both for 2 hrs and 1 hr respectively). I have heard that the more expensive and complex Precisions are maintenance heavy so that is consistent, and her reason for not selling the cheaper units is now more apparent and makes much more sense now.

After '30 years' she is stuck on her own sell, knows how to fix them (huge back end sales) and knows eventually her customers would catch on. So she knows she wouldn't be able to rely on the huge profit margins and would eventually go out of business. (thus the hard sell explained)

And just maybe the first smaller units to hit the market did have a few bugs (overly sensitive heat fuses, etc... maybe a tiny percentage of 'lemons' surfaced and because of the price model, it wasn't feasible to do repairs. (That's why reliability is so important) it would have created negative customer feedback (smaller startups have to be smarter and more efficient than that) Then again one could have ordered parts and fix it themselves. At any rate a successful high volume discount model has to be kept simple and robust to survive. Reliability meets or exceeds customers expectations, and reduces costs and that's a win/win philosophy. Something I am sure the designers were thinking about.

By comparison the 'Precisions' look clunky, awkward to move and setup and overpriced, and ultimately high maintenance for marginal (if any) improvement in distiller quality over the 'smaller' manual systems.

Another give away; she wouldn't even carry them at all! (ignoring a huge percentage of an existing demographic that couldn't afford a $1300 dollar unit even if they wanted to!!) She had an almost obsessive position about it, which makes sense now in retrospect, but at the time I was mystified by her ambiguity and naivite of the market and marketing strategy. Now I can clearly see why. She is far too good and busy at selling herself and her 'expertise' then the unit itself. Thus she has become attached with it = another back end sales indicator (and old school imo) She also talked about her 'generational sales' ...yet another giveaway to her marketing strategy of selling high end, high profit margin to 'the rich' (and more willing to pay for other's 'expertise'?)

So basically, in the worst case scenario, even if you buy a 'lemon' ie. a unit that only lasted a couple years (which isn't likely on these newly modified units, or even the older models for that matter (although I can see how there definitely could have been a small percentage that would have created some unintended customer backlash at the time... he said the cause would usually be the fuse 90% of the time and could have been cost effectively fixed... especially if you ordered the part yourself. So, in the absolute worst case scenario, you could theoretically buy a new unit every two years for the next 10 years at the same cost but pay out incrementally over time for basically the same quality of water as the bulkier more expensive metallic tasting Precisions based on 10 year lifespan (although both could technically very likely survive more than 10 years depending on care and maintenance)

'Mr Distiller' also said because of the new upgrades, these $139 models are very modular in design and are in fact now easier to repair (if it was ever necessary) ie. he was very much just being honest and candid, as it was consistent in all the smaller dealers I contacted, that this particular model was simple and that this unit was the most reliable design. This design and even some of the cheaper market variants. The design wins for balance between design and cost effectiveness ("it does the job" as they say...) many saying they were the most reliable unit they have ever sold, etc.

And I began to wonder... (lol) can this model of reliability and price, be a serious challenge to the 'big unit' market with its big unit purchase prices? You bet! And thus cause a little jealousy and followup mis-information campaigns, do ya think!? (apparently so) So this model in particular, with all it's practical 'modifications' is definitely 'all that' - with it's simple easy fixes evolved into an even more reliable unit, simple and easy to use at a huge price advantage serving an, until then, 'unexploited' price niche.

The only drawback I could really feel is the filter going from .2 oz of coconut charcoal, to 1.4 oz is now $8.50 a filter (trying to capture an after market here, and the fact he didn't have the exact grade to 'satisfy the original purity standard' available in balk (lol - as he had every other grade...) In any event they last for 1 to 3 months, and I maybe able to get around that by just changing the balk stuff more frequently? So buying 'by the bag' (lol) may still be viable, by removing the mesh screen and refilling it myself... (not a big deal either way)

In summary, I talked about customer service because I think Andrew was referencing this guy in particular about that. But he turned out to be straight up, and said that at the cost and reliability of these units, he couldn't be bothered on wasting money on unneeded customer service, unless it stopped working in the first month or two. etc and this was almost non-existant, and all the companies that got too concerned with customer service lost focus on the product, started grinding and lost their shirts because according to him ... 'picky customers' who didn't know what they really wanted would complain about the taste without cleaning them first, etc leaving the company with a lot of now opened 'used' product (cost)

High volume discount with decent product quality keeps costs down. The old adage is true, Keep It Simple... Stupid! I love this business model, but what do you expect, he is one of the oldest players on the internet.

(his site is called www.waterdistiller.com\distiller-water )

and the unit I described, definitely best price point efficiency. http://www.webeatprices.com/product_...&products_id=5

This guy definitely saw the market for what it was and may even have contributed to better products with his feedback program with the manufacturers.

Anyhow, our conversation was even more in depth than that. And I had to agree with his logic overall from my own understanding of sales, marketing, MLM (we covered it all!) He is selling price, and he clearly laid out step by step why they are the most reliable, cost effective design and how thefeedback based manufacturer modifications made it even more reliable! You have the flexibility to choose your choice of storage containers, 100% glass or plastic. The older ones which are still reliable sell for $65 and $99, and the new ones sell for $139 and $199, the price difference varying depending on storage container.

He mentioned the Precisions (biggest stainless steel industrial sized units) high price was tied in MLM schemes and price fixing politics of the manufacturers. I would also say the big unit all stainless Precision unit are just plain outdated manufacturing design, and insensitive to what the majority of customers really want (it really is more for a large commercial applications) Interesting conversation is all I can say, I think I just caught this 'guy' at the right time and we hit it off because of the stuff we got into.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Thnaks Sigma6 a good review and understanding of the engineering of the designs...

My Mum has unit like you discuss with glass paid ~£200

I researched and bought a Mini Classic II at the time because it was all engineered and I thought if needed I could repair it myself.

I think one thing my MCII does do is it turns off before the water "boils out"... If I was to get another unit liek th £145 one... I would look at getting a timed switch to turn it off before the water got to the bottom...

[Kumonitori]

Hi sigma6, I have the same distiller machine (your attached pic), mine was Taiwan made with Stainless lid (underneath side of fan-section). I didn't bother to read the instructions on "how to use" and started to drink the water that came out right away. It had a slightly-faint taste or odor -- as if a small piece of paper was soaked in it. I'm not sure if this is how it will always taste and smell, but after reading the instructions, it asks you to let it go through the distilling process a few times to clean out the metal piping inside. Geez, I must have gulped down a few litres already. Bad habit -- never read the instruction manual.

[sigma6]

I think one thing my MCII does do is it turns off before the water "boils out"... If I was to get another unit liek th £145 one... I would look at getting a timed switch to turn it off before the water got to the bottom...

Definitely a plus, as you don't have to scrape that little bit on the bottom... mine isn't too bad with particulate, and I try to catch it when I can...

I didn't bother to read the instructions on "how to use" and started to drink the water that came out right away. It had a slightly-faint taste or odor -- as if a small piece of paper was soaked in it. I'm not sure if this is how it will always taste and smell, but after reading the instructions, it asks you to let it go through the distilling process a few times to clean out the metal piping inside. Geez, I must have gulped down a few litres already. Bad habit

It wasn't in the manual it was just something the guy on the phone told me, I don't think it will kill you (lol) I have recently started using a grungy sponge with baking soda to clean out the debris on the bottom and I find it removes any odour, as well as gives it a little polish... be sure to wipe the lid part too, there is a little buildup if you check the cloth. Just for a test I re-distilled a batch of water to see if there was any residue, and believe it or not there WAS a teeny tiny bit, miniscule bit, almost negligible, especially compared to first distillation, but nothing to clean, it could have even been left over baking soda, it was barely perceptible, (nothing is perfect), over all I can't complain, as long as the water pulls minerals over the long run then I will be happy...

Btw I promised an update, I still haven't done UT straight for 30 days, (kept cheating with small snacking, but when I did it strictly it was definitely working...) made it just under 14 days, and surprised that it wasn't as bad as I thought, it really makes you more self aware and I still intend to again. But now that I have a distiller, I am being spoiled and drinking it mostly... but I have lost 20-25lbs, reduced my food consumption very easily and with minimal hunger problems, (I plan on travelling soon and want to reduce my weight and appetite, while building up my immunity at the same time!... lol).

Also, I recently acquired another pdf book by Martha Christy, Your Own Perfect Medicine - the most definitive book I have read on the subject to date. She is shown in the "Science of Drinking Your Pee" video.

Urine Good Health - The Science Of Drinking Your Own Pee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkDyL...eature=related

The book talks about the key components in urine that make it so healthful, it is posted on my 4shared account, (caveat: I think it's annoying but you now need a 4shared account to access a 4shared file, it's a free 10 GB, I suggest that you don't download anything when setting up your account, just take the simple account) and when going through the downloading process be careful to read the links carefully as they are always trying to get you to click on the promotional links...

The bottom line is this, we have been programmed to think that it is a waste product, this is absolutely not true. It has been kept secret, even in Western science it was known as far back as the 1900s, it was studied isolated and utilized. Since then there are in fact thousands of scientific studies done on it, that just never reached the mainstream public. It has definitely been kept hidden for purely commercial reasons, no doubt about it.

Your own urine is far superior to any manufactured extract. Think of it as an optional back up system available anytime you wish to improve an existing health problem. It is definitely about mental perception, you must stop thinking of it as waste. Apart from these discussions it should be a personal and private regiment. And even if you have a poor diet, drinking it will help alleviate any problems you are creating as a result of your diet, while automatically making you more aware of what you are doing. It contains all the information that your body needs to identify and prompt the body to respond accordingly to everything that is ailing it. And everything in it has a functional utility, as it is only in residual form (as informational feedback) or in such negligible amounts there is never, ever any possibility of toxicity (that is a mainstream myth) it simply can never harm you. It is the ultimate form of bio-feedback there is. I now treat it with respect and awe, as a sacred ritual and I find I am slowly overcoming my inhibitions regarding it. Thanks to all the information that has been recently made available, especially including this book after John Armstrong's book, this is definitely the best I have got my hands on without going to Amazon.

Your Own Best Medicine
http://www.4shared.com/office/Wmnrzp...cine_-_Ma.html

update: After reading this book, it hammers home AGAIN the same PREMISE; that no matter where you look in today's society - if you are not questioning, skeptical, and doubting, and ACTIVELY looking for the DECEPTION... you have already been deceived... the book clearly shows they not only knew about it's amazing properties and made thousands of studies that peaked up until the fifties and sixties, (confirming what was already understood in naturopathy for thousands of years) but then didn't share the information with the public AND THEN started a campaign of disinformation and propaganda to 'uneducate' today's doctors and discredit any reference to it.

[sigma6]

This is starting to make sense to me, sterile, perfectly bio-available nutrients in a distilled medium, no wonder it rejuvenates! Imagine how much you would pay for a personally crafted homeopathic supplement specific to your own bodily requirements if it could even be artificially re-created in the first place (which apparently it can't be done, but who cares!)


NATURE AND COMPOSITION OF URINE FROM HEALTHY SUBJECTS,
1975, by A.H. Free., H.M. Free,
from Urinalysis in Clinical Laboratory Practice, Miles Laboratories.
SUBJECT: INGREDIENTS OF NORMAL HUMAN URINE

In general, most of us have no idea that urine is an extraordinary body fluid derived from the blood that is filled with hundreds of health supporting ingredients – but, for that matter, this is a fact that scientists themselves have only begun to fully understand within the last few decades. As Free and Free explain:

"Literally thousands of compounds have been identified in normal urine and the vast majority of these have been derived from the blood... The understanding of the composition of the urine has gradually evolved as the sciences of chemistry and physiology have developed.. It is now recognized that the urine contains thousands of compounds, and as new, more sensitive analytical tools evolve, it is quite certain that new constituents of urine will be recognized"

This report goes on to give a detailed listing of approximately 200 constituents of urine, but as the researchers comment: "this table is not considered to be complete, but identifies [only] compounds of interest."

Listing all 200 of the ingredients here would be a bit much, so I'll give a sample of some of the ingredients in urine that are most recognizable because many of them are the same ingredients that you see on your vitamin supplementlabels, or that you've read or heard about from various sources. Again, we never think of urine as a nutrient, but as this analysis of urine shows, there are numerous elements of nutritional value in urine, along with hormones, steroids, and other critical elements that regulate and control key processes of the body:

Alanine, total ........... 38 mg/day...... Lysine, total ............. 56 mg/day
Arginine, total ..........32 mg/day....... Magnesium - 100 mg/day
Ascorbic acid ........... 30 mg/day...... Manganese .............0.5 mg/day
Allantoin .................. 12 mg/day...... Methionine, total ......10 mg/day
Amino acids, total ......2.1 g/day ...... Nitrogen, total ............. 15 g/day
Bicarbonate ........... 140 mg/day..... Ornithine ................ 10 mg/day
Biotin ..................... 35 mg/day...... Pantothenic acid ......... 3 mg/day
Calcium .................. 23 mg/day...... Phenylalanine ........... 21 mg/day
Creatinine ............... 1.4 mg/day..... Phosphorus, organic . .9 mg/day
Cystine .................. 120 mg/day...... Potassium .............. 2.5 mg/day
Dopamine ............. 0A0 mg/day...... Proteins, total ........... 35 mg/day
Epinephrine ........... 0.01 mg/day..... Riboflavin .............. 0.9 mg/day
Folic acid .................. 4 mg/day..... Tryptophan, total ......28 mg/day
Glucose ................ 100 mg/day...... Tyrosine, total ........... 50 mg/day
Glutamic Acid ......... 308 mg/day..... Urea ................... 24.5 mg/day
Glycine .................. 455 mg/day..... Vitamin B6 ............. 100 mg/day
Inositol ................... 14 mg/day..... Vitamin 812 ........... 0.03 mg/day
Iodine .................. 0.25 mg/day..... Zinc ...................... 1.4 mg/day

Iron ...........................0.5 mg/dayHormonal Substances
Aldosterone, male ...... 3.5 mg/day
Aldosterone, female ... 4.2 mg/day

Androgens, female
(20-40 yrs.) ................ 14 mg/day

Androgens, male
(20-40 yrs.) ............... 18.2 mg/day
Androsterone, female .. 4.2 mg/day
Androsterone, male .... 3.5 mg/day

Estradiol, female
luteal phase ................ 7 mg/day
Estriol, female
luteal phase .............. 28 mg/day

Estrone, female
luteal phase ............... 14 mg/day

17-Ketogenic adrenocoriticoids
female .................... 12.6 mg/day

17-Ketogenic adrenocoriticoids
male ...................... 14.7 mg/day
Ketol steroids ......... 18.2 mg/day

excerpt from Your Own Perfect Medicine - Martha Christy