Freewill and the channel wars

[Anchor]

Are we bored yet?

I am not

Story so far:

Group A represented by Person A has stated that Group B represented by various People were channeling AI.

Person A says he is not channeling. A technicality that fits the AI story, but he is still acting as a proxy for the messages of another.

Certainly in MY books that's channeling - especially in the commonly understood context of forums like this one.

What would be the motive of such conditional statements?

Anyway Group A has claimed to destroy said AI - so that phase of the game is up.

Group A can no longer make this claim. Group B will no longer channel AI because its has gone to meet its maker (who ironically is the same maker who made all of us - go figure).

Group B are still channeling messages as before. Which is ironic.

So, were Group A right?

What are Group B doing still channeling ?

Does this all seem like a game ?

Whose chain is being yanked?

In my opinion it doesn't matter.

Neither Group A or Group B will ever be able to conclusively prove anything to you, because THEY CANT.

The reason they cant is that YOU have your freewill - you have it, its yours.

Freewill means you can do what you will freely.

Ideally it is respected. Less ideally people can play sophisticated games of entrapment with you in order to have you USE your will in ways that they want you to use it, rather than perhaps you making your own authentic, unfettered choices.

I might be doing the same thing right now!

I admit it.

With respect to your freewill, and the very idea that you are free to ignore me; regardless of all that, I am taking the time to LOBBY you to disengage from this channeling drama, and focus on the message and not the messenger.

But if you see inconsistencies, then feel free to point them out.

Play fair though. Dont make stuff up. You are responsible for the words you utter.

There are levels of your being that cannot be constrained and wherein you are always free. No matter how tough things get, no matter how many layers of imprisonment you elect, you contain that seed of ACTIVE freedom. You can always make a choice, and having made that choice you act, and for that act you are accountable to none other than yourself for all the consequences of that action.

So what you become convinced of is entirely and totally up to you.

No-one can take that away from you.

Here is an example of the games.

Archons!

I did a search on PA1 and the word Archon turned up on three threads.

Something has happened to this word. Now its Archon this and archon that.

Words have been made out of it even I saw Archontic.

This worries me, and not just because of this

Anchor.
Archon.

Oh noes!!!

My opinion is that this is part of the game.

Words bind us.

In our density mode of thinking we attach thoughtforms to words, and words are a cool tool to control the way people think.

So, when you see these words - have a think about the motives behind them.

Is that motive fear?

Is that motive to empower you?

Or is it to imprison you further?

Consider why some people decide to forgo for a time the act of uttering words and/or seeking the silence of retreat.

In silence this control has no power.

If you approach that silence within you, then you distance yourself from these words and approach your inner truth.

This is where your power is.

Know then that this inner-truth, is the truth that sets you free.

Know then that you ARE free.

All is well.

[9eagle9]

Whaaaaaaaaat? And get rid of the non-televised space dramas?

Archonic is just another word for Lucifer energies, artificial intelligences, machine intelligences, constructs, aliens, thoughtforms,(external or self created) tulpas--its just different facets of something that rules, or has mon-archy over the mind. Golden archons to rule the mind, Golden arches to rule the belly.

Or rather it is the original word used for such things.

[Lettherebelight]

Thank you, Anchor, for somehow putting into words what I (and others?) feel/know about what is going on.

"In our density mode of thinking we attach thoughtforms to words, and words are a cool tool to control the way people think.

So, when you see these words - have a think about the motives behind them.

Is that motive fear?

Is that motive to empower you?

Or is it to imprison you further?

Consider why some people decide to forgo for a time the act of uttering words and/or seeking the silence of retreat.

In silence this control has no power.

If you approach that silence within you, then you distance yourself from these words and approach your inner truth.

This is where your power is.

Know then that this inner-truth, is the truth that sets you free.

Know then that you ARE free.

All is well."

-Anchor

[bennycog]

freewill is your firewall

[SKAWF]

well, if no one minds

i'd like to say something regarding 'ascension'.

i was going to start a thread, but seeing as it..... and channeling are in the same bucket i'll post it here.

what i would like to know is......

how can anyone here, talk about ascension with any authority at all?

to hear people talk its like they believe that they will be wisked away in a spaceship or something,
then they will be implanted with enough knowledge to restore them to their 'former' glory.

like they dont have do do anything.
there isnt one person here who could say they have ascended. not one.
yet lots speak of it. some with absolute confidence.

i ask you..... where did you get the knowledge and confidence from?

i bet it was from a source outside of yourself.... or you read what someone else wrote.......
or you got it from a source who claim they channeled it.

how do you know that the being who was giving the information to the channeler (if at all) was/is what they say they are?

can anyone here say anything about the subject, with absolute certainty?.


dont get me worng, i'm not saying that ascension is a bull*hit topic.
i do believe that one can ascend,
or at least progress into a wider and more expansive understanding of things. i also believe that one can do things to increase the speed of progress (like NOT doing things that will drag one down)

but to hear some people talk.....

i wasnt against channeling. i wasnt into it either.
but i had no problem with it.
to each his/her own etc.

but over time the whole thing has descended into a level of ridiculousness (imo) like so many other meme's
its like being confident in... or 'just knowing' that you will win the lottery.

i have worked hard to change my thinking.
i have gone over my own life working on things that 'block' me.
i have examined my own thoughts and memories (some of them quite disturbing) just to get a better understanding of where i am...
and i'll tell you what...... its hard. it takes massive effort and focus
and it would be so much easier to do something else instead, but its that path i chose.
i stay on it, because i have progressed over the years (since 1994) and it would silly to give up after putting in so much effort.
besides..... from a truthful perspective...... you do get results.
my life is entirely different now, than when i first began to 'sort my head out'

but i'm nowhere near the top.
there will always be more to learn than i have learned.

imagine yourself stood on a spiral, facing the expanse...
even if you move forwards into a wider understanding of things....
the spiral also grows, so your position in relation to it, never changes,
no matter how much you learn. the 'struggle' never gets any easier.
(even if over time you are better equipped to deal with the things you face)

but to hear some people here talk about it like its guaranteed, like they dont have to do ANYTHING, like it will be done for them...
no effort or sacrifice needed. its Bo*llocks.

i can imagine people saying...... 'ahhhh its december 20th 2012, ascension tommorow......... ive already picked what i'm going to wear'

i'm going to end this post here.

steve

[Sebastion]

Well my friend, I can assure you that you are not alone in your thinking.....

Posted by SKAWF (here)
well, if no one minds

i'd like to say something regarding 'ascension'.

i was going to start a thread, but seeing as it..... and channeling are in the same bucket i'll post it here.

what i would like to know is......

how can anyone here, talk about ascension with any authority at all?

to hear people talk its like they believe that they will be wisked away in a spaceship or something,
then they will be implanted with enough knowledge to restore them to their 'former' glory.

like they dont have do do anything.
there isnt one person here who could say they have ascended. not one.
yet lots speak of it. some with absolute confidence.

i ask you..... where did you get the knowledge and confidence from?

i bet it was from a source outside of yourself.... or you read what someone else wrote.......
or you got it from a source who claim they channeled it.

how do you know that the being who was giving the information to the channeler (if at all) was/is what they say they are?

can anyone here say anything about the subject, with absolute certainty?.


dont get me worng, i'm not saying that ascension is a bull*hit topic.
i do believe that one can ascend,
or at least progress into a wider and more expansive understanding of things. i also believe that one can do things to increase the speed of progress (like NOT doing things that will drag one down)

but to hear some people talk.....

i wasnt against channeling. i wasnt into it either.
but i had no problem with it.
to each his/her own etc.

but over time the whole thing has descended into a level of ridiculousness (imo) like so many other meme's
its like being confident in... or 'just knowing' that you will win the lottery.

i have worked hard to change my thinking.
i have gone over my own life working on things that 'block' me.
i have examined my own thoughts and memories (some of them quite disturbing) just to get a better understanding of where i am...
and i'll tell you what...... its hard. it takes massive effort and focus
and it would be so much easier to do something else instead, but its that path i chose.
i stay on it, because i have progressed over the years (since 1994) and it would silly to give up after putting in so much effort.
besides..... from a truthful perspective...... you do get results.
my life is entirely different now, than when i first began to 'sort my head out'

but i'm nowhere near the top.
there will always be more to learn than i have learned.

imagine yourself stood on a spiral, facing the expanse...
even if you move forwards into a wider understanding of things....
the spiral also grows, so your position in relation to it, never changes,
no matter how much you learn. the 'struggle' never gets any easier.
(even if over time you are better equipped to deal with the things you face)

but to hear some people here talk about it like its guaranteed, like they dont have to do ANYTHING, like it will be done for them...
no effort or sacrifice needed. its Bo*llocks.

i can imagine people saying...... 'ahhhh its december 20th 2012, ascension tommorow......... ive already picked what i'm going to wear'

i'm going to end this post here.

steve

[Anchor]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
well, if no one minds

I certainly don't. Great post. Really good.

Lots and lots I want to respond to there but want to sleep first.

Off the cuff for starters, more later.

For me, I don't talk much about personal ascension, and this focus un "I" or "us" to me is not really the main aim. The reason for that is that the main and often forgotten player in this "2012" game is the planet Earth.

Whether or not any human ascends is not the main point.

We are eternal, consequently we do not need saving by aliens [ can you agree this bit ? ]

Nor does Gaia need the planet (her body) to survive, but I guess "we" all decided that we would help make sure it did. She asked for help - help can be given.

Ask her yourself if you don't believe me. Perfectly do-able, but may need some technique first. No point in me asking for you, since you would then have to take my word for it and that is a no-go for your position.

Human ascension, if it happens for any non-wanderers[1] at all, is a side show compared to what is happening to the planet.

If you do ascend great.

If not, no worries - you'll be ok anyway.

--

[1] Wanderers have already been through an ascension though densities, they just dont remember it when they are here. Whatever.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Thanx Anchor

[seigiarchon]

i was "attacked" in the so-called channel wars.. tell me.. how do i protect myself from people who are trying to "attack" me in the channel wars again..

does a firewall or vpn help? if you cannot give me some answers which i can use to protect myself in the future, then i am gonna ask the mods to delete my account..

if any of you wanna give me some advice on how to protect myself, you can PM me.. if no one is gonna help me out here.. then i will ask the mods to delete my account..

[SKAWF]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

does a firewall or vpn help? if you cannot give me some answers which i can use to protect myself in the future, then i am gonna ask the mods to delete my account..

if any of you wanna give me some advice on how to protect myself, you can PM me.. if no one is gonna help me out here.. then i will ask the mods to delete my account..

we are all equal.
you have the inteligence to find things out for yourself, as we all do.
i'm sure no one would like to see you leave
but you place a burden on others to solve your problem
and present negative consequences if we dont.

twice

stand up for yourself

exercise some degree of control over your situation

and stop placing your own fate in the hands of others

[seigiarchon]

Posted by SKAWF (here)

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

does a firewall or vpn help? if you cannot give me some answers which i can use to protect myself in the future, then i am gonna ask the mods to delete my account..

if any of you wanna give me some advice on how to protect myself, you can PM me.. if no one is gonna help me out here.. then i will ask the mods to delete my account..

we are all equal.
you have the inteligence to find things out for yourself, as we all do.
i'm sure no one would like to see you leave
but you place a burden on others to solve your problem
and present negative consequences if we dont.

twice

stand up for yourself

exercise some degree of control over your situation

and stop placing your own fate in the hands of others

if the hosts of this forum do not wanna protect me or give me some advice on how to protect myself.. words cost nothing to anyone.. then i will leave .. simple as that..

[seigiarchon]

btw.. a general of an army needs his soldiers to protect him while he thinks and plans..

if the soldiers in this forum can't even protect a normal person or even give some simple advice to a normal person on how to protect himself, then how are they gonna protect their general or king?..

sun tzu once said, if the battlefield goes bad for u, retreat from the battlefield..

since this battle is going bad for me here.. then i will retreat from this battlefield called PA.. why am i wasting time helping others with my words when others don't even wanna help me by giving me some simple advice on how to protect myself..

whether i leave or stay is up to you guys.. PM if u like..

[SKAWF]

ahhhh well you're in the wrong place then
you're on the 'Freewill and the channel wars' thread
when really this is a 'technical support' issue
i'm sure that if you approach a soldier...... or a mod
and write them a brief pm outlining you issues....
they would be happy to oblige

kind regards

[StarDust]

I would like to make the distinction between "channeling" and what group A in your hypothetical is referring to as "telepathic" communication.

From my perspective, channeling is literally like stepping out of your proverbial office (your mind) and allowing another entity to move in for a moment and use your computer (brain) and telephone/fax (voice) to communicate a message. You may still be present, but you are in the break room having a cup of coffee or flipping through a magazine. You can hear commotion going on in your 'office', but you're not really aware of what is going on in its entirety. One real danger lies in the fact that when one is in an altered state with a proverbial "open door", one is also susceptible to negative entities entering that door as well. An open door is an open door and anyone with the capacity to enter it can certainly try. That is an inherent danger in channeling that must be taken into consideration.

Telepathic communication, on the other hand, is like having a conversation with a friend. You are fully cognizant of what is going on and you haven't given any other entity the keys to the proverbial kingdom. The other aspect of telepathy is that the 'receiver' is more highly protected like your computer's firewall. The recipient can send/receive information in a safe manner; but the recipient can also scan for information that may be harmful to the recipient and reject it with little to no harm done. I can't say the same for channeling, since you are, in essence, giving another entity full direct access to your hard drive. I hope these simple analogies help everyone to understand the differences on a very basic level.

I just wanted to make this distinction since it is fairly evident who the main players are with regard to your hypothetical situation. The differences in communication types are night and day. To confuse the two or dismiss them as the same is simply not correct.

Although I think that your exercise is interesting , I think that you have used the term proxy too broadly. Based on the broad application let's apply it to our current understanding of the MSM. - If reporting a story by "proxy" were, in fact, channeling, then every news broadcast and every form of print media that we have here on 3rd Density earth based on a "story" that wasn't experienced by the reporter would be considered channeling. I think most can agree that the MSM does not channel anything (aside from what their bosses tell them to report) while reporting a story that wasn't experienced first hand; which in essence is telling a point of view by proxy.

Another distinction I make between what group A and group B have been reporting is the nature of the message. Group A has been reporting what I would consider news. It is "fact based" action that tells a story relative to a larger picture. Sure, it is a print type story with no pictures or video, but it is a story none the less. Group B, on the other hand, tends to tell their story providing fluffy language that is designed to cradle and comfort. It has no specifics and always has the 'peace is on the horizon' storyline. For those who require proof, it does not exist in any measurable way for either group A or group B. But one thing can be said with a high degree of certainty with regard to group B - they have NEVER been able to predict anything with any degree of accuracy. Now, the same could be said of group A, however, I've yet to encounter a report from group A that blew copious amounts of smoke up my A$$ like that from group B. You don't have to believe either, but the reporting "styles" are unmistakable.

Furthermore, the issue I have with information provided by group B is that it tries to trick the inept into being passive by choice. It tries to place one in a bliss like state using key words that are consistent with many new age beliefs. This is a trick. It doesn't provide any information on how to be proactive in one's life. Some of the messages even speak about "our true leaders" coming forth and they have subtle messages about being ruled over. This is dangerous and a huge distinction between the two. Group A's messages never speak of such things as that is inconsistent with their intent.

Either way, I only consider the information provided by telepathic or channeled sources to provide a picture and nothing more. In some instances, the information provided is more mechanical/technical in nature in that it is describing how a system works (Bashar is a prime example of this) - this is the information that I find most useful in that it is providing knowledge of consciousness on a systemic level to promote self-empowerment through understanding.

In sum, both channeled and telepathic communication may present pieces of the puzzle, but should in no way be considered gospel. This is purely my opinion. I have no desire to give my power away to any group regardless of their claims. Only the weak minded and foolish would give themselves entirely to another. Otherwise, it merely becomes another religion where the sheep are marched off to be slaughtered by consent.

[Rocky_Shorz]

remember, your Spirit is your Subconscious and is communicating continuously with those around you...

those who say they are telepathic are actually just able to hear their Spirit... when your conscious mind starts questioning the subconscious, your Spirit gets answers from others...

Channeling is considered talking to those who have passed not in this dimension and most allow their Spirit to communicate with Spirits from beyond...

the conscious allows the subconscious to pass along the message from the other Spirit...

[Rocky_Shorz]

possession is something completely different, usually a spirit that didn't pass into the light that out of boredom starts pestering the living around them...

a few hundred years wondering what's next can make them bitter...

those spirits can step into the living, most can't take control or even communicate because the one they stepped into won't listen...

people having sudden major health problems many times is out of a possession, and what killed the "spirit" starts "infecting" the living...

those who are awake many times only need to light a candle and imagine drawing the spirit out and into the light for it to happen, your Spirit handles the details communicating with the Spirit lost in limbo...

hope that helps...

[StarDust]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
remember, your Spirit is your Subconscious and is communicating continuously with those around you...

Yes, I agree. Everyone can do it, but only some are adept at it.

those who say they are telepathic are actually just able to hear their Spirit... when your conscious mind starts questioning the subconscious, your Spirit gets answers from others...

Yes, I agree. But it can also be a conversation.

Channeling is considered talking to those who have passed not in this dimension and most allow their Spirit to communicate with Spirits from beyond...

the conscious allows the subconscious to pass along the message from the other Spirit...

Yes, but there are fundamental differences in how this is achieved, which I outlined in the post above#14.

[Ernie Nemeth]

As much as I like this thread, and do not want to derail it, I must say that when a person asks directly for help, it must be given - if we say we are for the light, that is.

I cannot give that help, but I received it when I asked for the same thing...

If ever there was a person screaming out for love, maybe this one is it. And although he has started some amazingly contentious threads that I have ignored, the mods have elected not to suspend his acount - that says something to me. I pray he gets the help he asks for. All I can do is light him a candle and keep him in my thoughts...

Sorry, carry on.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well the Channeling part, I know you are speaking of Galactic contacts, which for those with a Spirit can confirm truth the moment you start reading the words...

I've never read one that was confirmed truth by my Spirit so it's all fairy tale happy ending stories to me, still enjoyable, but mean nothing...

The brainwaves for those I've connected to are so much higher frequencies, they talk down to us like we would an infant

when I was looking at a video seeing if I could spot why the sunspots are prevented from popping off at our planet...

the moment I saw the flashing lights I heard, there they are, and watched energy being pumped from two orbs into what looked like 2 lightning rods

the meaning and how it works was instantly "known" that's what I mean by the art of knowing, all the answers are right within us...

I picked up an ashtray to look at it and heard this is his body given to you... I dropped it realizing this was a tray that had been used in church services for communion...

a piece of metal doesn't have a memory, or spirit... so where did this voice come from...

I had a rock wash up to my feet at the ocean with Mickey mouse on it, when I looked at it closely, I saw an image of a Shaman fire starter, this was a stone age bic lighter...

then I had another flash, it was a monkey snatched from a tree by a massive bird, but it wiggled free and dropped into the ocean, sediment filled the rock and it turned into stone, then washed up on shore and was found...

Shamans always believed Monkey Skulls had mystical powers, and this one was used for fires...

a small coal put in the hole, which they would put herbs and spices on to turn to smoke then blown through at the patient...

on the beach, they put sticks on the coal which turned into a blowtorch to light fires...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
As much as I like this thread, and do not want to derail it, I must say that when a person asks directly for help, it must be given - if we say we are for the light, that is.

I cannot give that help, but I received it when I asked for the same thing...

If ever there was a person screaming out for love, maybe this one is it. And although he has started some amazingly contentious threads that I have ignored, the mods have elected not to suspend his acount - that says something to me. I pray he gets the help he asks for. All I can do is light him a candle and keep him in my thoughts...

Sorry, carry on.

it isn't so much what he is sharing as much as the responses drawn from it that are important...

Avalon is a place for learning, isn't it?