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    Even most (though not quite all) of the Reptoids I’ve encountered have been very positive and extremely intelligent and caring and helpful.
    True, bad reputation exists, and undermines the work of those who are positive, and there are quite a few out there.

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    Although I don’t agree with 100% of what James Horal says, I believe he is extremely insightful in what he says about the split mind/consciousness. This is relevant here because my understanding is that the only kinds of beings who are capable of acting deliberately in a negative or “evil” way ever are beings with a split consciousness, or else beings who are completely robotic (and therefore lack consciousness except of a primitive sort).

    Unfortunately, most people don’t seem to understand what the split consciousness really implies. I guess psychotherapists and some psychologists will understand. That’s because the two biggest defense mechanisms people use all the time are denial and projection. Denial is simply a flat-out refusal to accept reality. It’s bald-faced lying to yourself. Unfortunately, everybody does it. Trouble is, it sends you into a pretend space, where you no longer let yourself be aware of anything that would confirm or provide evidence for what you have denied. Similarly, projection involves also denying that you have a certain weakness or fault and lying to yourself that some other person /people is/are the (only) one(s) who have that problem.

    The hostile branch of the Reptoids who are apparently here must necessarily have a split consciousness rather like our own. It just isn’t possible to be nasty and mean without having the split.
    Not really.

    There are many of the "Grey" and "Reptoid" type that live in collectives, yet are negative and repressive in their behavior with most others.

    And those that are positive, and have individualism, a split consciousness, like ourselves.

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    This acronym still evades me: IFSP
    I'm familiar with an advanced conglomerate of cultures from star systems in Ursa Minor, that have been termed by our contact cases as Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets. Its possible the author was referring to the same thing but tried to create an acronym (IFSP) so he does not use the full designation each time there is a need to mention them.

    I'm not even surprised they would indoctrinate other cultures of humans being flawed, dangerous, immature and senseless.

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    True, bad reputation exists, and undermines the work of those who are positive, and there are quite a few out there.

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    Unfortunately, most people don’t seem to understand what the split consciousness really implies. .....
    That’s because the two biggest defense mechanisms people use all the time are denial and projection. ........

    The hostile branch of the Reptoids who are apparently here must necessarily have a split consciousness rather like our own. It just isn’t possible to be nasty and mean without having the split.
    Not really.

    There are many of the "Grey" and "Reptoid" type that live in collectives, yet are negative and repressive in their behavior with most others.
    I have used this term: 'compartmentalization', (while not expecting this is better terminology, perhaps my expression is less effective)....

    The loyalty and love within human-personality has me deeply interested and concerned. Humans pride and placate themselves, through claims like idealized-love, "life is sacred", "human rights" and assorted other things. Dare we analyze this? Humans also vary in love-inception through rearing: Only-child, first-born, middling, youngest, orphan statuses which affect everything called human. Not to mention all the other generalized-influences, of complex life factors.

    By contrast, this alien-collective reality fascinates me in the dispositions it provides (each) alien collective (specifically). Indeed, it makes sense that a collective can overcome, certain-particular problems of individualized, potential distortions of "human love". Throughout all the many ways, in which 'love' is manifested, in human cultures.

    Nevertheless, it does not appear to me that either system 'bests' the other system. Or that collectives or individualists will-necessarily manifest better love. Rather it appears to me that these two distinctive systems actually need to communicate about the manifestation of love. We may well have very much to learn from each other.

    I want to get on with this. Instead of being held back in the shadows of primitive ages.

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    Default Re: ALIEN MIND: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

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    I'm familiar with an advanced conglomerate of cultures from star systems in Ursa Minor, that have been termed by our contact cases as Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets. Its possible the author was referring to the same thing but tried to create an acronym (IFSP) so he does not use the full designation each time there is a need to mention them.

    I'm not even surprised they would indoctrinate other cultures of humans being flawed, dangerous, immature and senseless.
    That's interesting, what you say about the group from Ursa Minor. I would like to read more about them, especially if they may have propagandistic intentions towards Earth. However, LoBuono says the IFSP is the *Intergalactic* Federation of Sovereign Planets. He speaks of the Verdants as being a member of the IFSP and speculates that they come from the galaxy M-83/Messier 83 galaxy. I find it hard to believe that a race that is capable of intergalactic travel would be as immature as the portrait LoBuono paints of them in his book. I did a quick search of the PDF and here's one thing LoBuono says in the book:

    Quote Incidentally, the galaxy M83 matches the size and location that Phillip Krapf describes as the Verdant home. M83 is a large spiral galaxy located in the Centaurus A galaxy group. A few alien sources have suggested that M83 is, in fact, the Verdant home galaxy. In addition, one highly detailed map was communicated to indicate Verdant outposts in other galaxies. In the map, communicated by an alien more evolved than Verdants who monitors the situation here closely, Verdant IFSP outposts are concentrated in the Centaurus A galaxy group, primarily centering on the galaxy M83 but fingering into other galaxies of Centaurus A.

    If I’m not mistaken, Verdants are not the most numerous population in the other two large spirals of their home galaxy group. Instead, other native populations are more numerous. Verdant outposts finger lightly into the Sculptor galaxy group and slightly into our Andromeda-Milky Way group, which borders on the Virgo supercluster of galaxies. Apparently, the native populations of these two galaxy groups are dominant here, not Verdants. All three galaxy groups are small groups that each contain 3-6 large galaxies and a few dozen smaller irregular or elliptical galaxies
    BTW, I read most of the "Alien Mind" book last year (I didn't finish it completely because it starts getting really repetitive towards the end.)

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    Default Re: ALIEN MIND: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

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    Quote Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
    I'm familiar with an advanced conglomerate of cultures from star systems in Ursa Minor, that have been termed by our contact cases as Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets. Its possible the author was referring to the same thing but tried to create an acronym (IFSP) so he does not use the full designation each time there is a need to mention them.

    I'm not even surprised they would indoctrinate other cultures of humans being flawed, dangerous, immature and senseless.
    That's interesting, what you say about the group from Ursa Minor. I would like to read more about them, especially if they may have propagandistic intentions towards Earth. However, LoBuono says the IFSP is the *Intergalactic* Federation of Sovereign Planets. He speaks of the Verdants as being a member of the IFSP and speculates that they come from the galaxy M-83/Messier 83 galaxy. I find it hard to believe that a race that is capable of intergalactic travel would be as immature as the portrait LoBuono paints of them in his book. I did a quick search of the PDF and here's one thing LoBuono says in the book:

    Quote Incidentally, the galaxy M83 matches the size and location that Phillip Krapf describes as the Verdant home. M83 is a large spiral galaxy located in the Centaurus A galaxy group. A few alien sources have suggested that M83 is, in fact, the Verdant home galaxy. In addition, one highly detailed map was communicated to indicate Verdant outposts in other galaxies. In the map, communicated by an alien more evolved than Verdants who monitors the situation here closely, Verdant IFSP outposts are concentrated in the Centaurus A galaxy group, primarily centering on the galaxy M83 but fingering into other galaxies of Centaurus A.

    If I’m not mistaken, Verdants are not the most numerous population in the other two large spirals of their home galaxy group. Instead, other native populations are more numerous. Verdant outposts finger lightly into the Sculptor galaxy group and slightly into our Andromeda-Milky Way group, which borders on the Virgo supercluster of galaxies. Apparently, the native populations of these two galaxy groups are dominant here, not Verdants. All three galaxy groups are small groups that each contain 3-6 large galaxies and a few dozen smaller irregular or elliptical galaxies
    BTW, I read most of the "Alien Mind" book last year (I didn't finish it completely because it starts getting really repetitive towards the end.)
    Yes. I don't have the particular notes with me at the moment, but I should get them soon. The main "negative" groups, are centered around star systems in the constellations Draco (The Draco Imperial Expansion), Orion (The Orion Group ), Ursa Major (The original point of origin of the Kondrashkin and their Group), and Ursa Minor (The Interstellar Federation of Sovereign Planets).

    I say main as there are other, more less active groups, that are not major "players" in this "scenario" that has engulfed us, along with almost two dozen worlds in our local corner of the galaxy - There is a group from a star system located in the Perseus constellation, a renegade group from Alpha Centauri (that currently function as part of another group, located in a star system in Vela constellation - the most likely culprits of the Pleiadian stuff), and another two small groups located in systems around constellations Cancer and Hydra.

    That is not to say there aren't any positive civilizations existing in systems located in these constellations. Simply, constellations are 3 dimensional, and span thousands of light years in distance, and some even hundreds of thousands of light years distant, especially if the way we view the constellations, they lay towards the other, opposite end of the galaxy.

    Its just that the more interested groups do operations here, others either don't know about us yet, can't know about us (too far away), or have been asked not to interfere anywhere near as close as Earth. There could be various reasons.

    As for the Verdants - I know they fit the 'Grey' archetype slightly, having a similar body, but their heads are not that big and their skin is green, and seemingly, have a very advanced autotroph body system. It doesn't mean that a culture that has reached another galaxy, should behave in a certain way. We have a lot of qualities, and many, many faults too. Many of the cultures trying to help in certain ways here have been confused at first, as we can be so contrasting, and leave them such different impressions.

    Also, my personal opinion, based on how the most advanced civilizations travel here, its possible the Verdants followed a major, intergalactic wormhole to some planetary system in Ursa Minor, where they eventually joined the K-Group (who funny enough, are also green skinned, most of them). Its been done by more benevolent, but very highly advanced civilizations, who, despite being capable of faster than light travel, use wormholes as better alternatives to that, especially when it comes to reaching the other end of the galaxy, or other galaxies, like Andromeda and Triangulum. FTL travel is efficient enough for an advanced civilization, but they (like many other, who are maybe not that advanced), are aware there are certain obstacles in reaching certain points in our own galaxy, traveling that way. There's too much to explain about these obstacles, I'll need another thread about it, and God knows I barely keep up (practically don't) with the threads already opened by me, for personal reasons.

    Sorry for the big post too :/
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    Quote ...Focused alien telepathy tends to arrive in imagery that is subtler and more complex, with softer, more airy outlines than the thought of a typical human. To the human initiate, such thoughts may seem like surpassing genius, which they are, in a sense. Telepathically communicated alien thoughts may involve a variety of new ideas and artistic-seeming details, an astounding inventiveness--sometimes even a complex kind of humor. Compared to a human, aliens thoughts seem relatively abbreviated, finely textured yet multiply-packed with information--words, graphics, a geometric kind of modeling, and a resonance with the nature surrounding you/them--all at the same time. ...
    book: page 12

    Oh, oh.... Would that mean authentic creativity is telepathic?...
    Are my favorite inspirations . . . telepathy?

    Are we conceited after all thinking we are 'original?

    Just had to ask the group mind here.
    Thanks for letting me know about this thread in that other thread.

    I read the book some months ago but have a copy that I reference every now and again. A few things:

    1) why don't we hear about the Verdants elsewhere.
    2) why don`t we hear about surivors from previous Universes elsewhere.
    3) why don`t we hear about these groups meeting with aliens more often.

    In regard to the quote above: in an infinite creation there are infinite timelines and infinite universes. Initial conditions being unequal, all possibilities are actually potentialities. Therefore, if we can imagine it, somewhere, somewhen, it is true.
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    Default Re: ALIEN MIND: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

    (lost the quote boxes)

    Thanks Rahkyt,

    My guess RE your Qs has been:
    1) We have heard a variety of assertions, about larger, more able invaders of human destiny. I won't try to list one's i read about, not instantaneously. Perhaps in context to other things, if this thread continues.
    2) Personally, i wonder too, conceptually speaking. It would sure feel great to be reunited, like in a sic-fi or star trek advent, finding we belonged together with some long lost soul families, now back together again.
    3)I've dreamed (or was it meditation), the "who am i" thing and got quite the reverb feedback, the mirror mirroring mirror images and self set between them... I've also wondered if these notions actually float around, to be picked up by intrigued minds. As if this world was an amusement park, for a higher plane.

    I had wondered if more discussion of the imaginative-experiential kind, would ever come forth on Avalon. More constructive thoughts and feelings which are honestly no less valid than all the hyped up authoritarianism, sold cheap, by tin-horn-dictates of the unreal paradigms.
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    Default Re: ALIEN MIND: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

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    Quote Posted by wavydome (here)
    Quote ...Focused alien telepathy tends to arrive in imagery that is subtler and more complex, with softer, more airy outlines than the thought of a typical human. To the human initiate, such thoughts may seem like surpassing genius, which they are, in a sense. Telepathically communicated alien thoughts may involve a variety of new ideas and artistic-seeming details, an astounding inventiveness--sometimes even a complex kind of humor. Compared to a human, aliens thoughts seem relatively abbreviated, finely textured yet multiply-packed with information--words, graphics, a geometric kind of modeling, and a resonance with the nature surrounding you/them--all at the same time. ...
    book: page 12

    Oh, oh.... Would that mean authentic creativity is telepathic?...
    Are my favorite inspirations . . . telepathy?

    Are we conceited after all thinking we are 'original?

    Just had to ask the group mind here.
    Thanks for letting me know about this thread in that other thread.

    I read the book some months ago but have a copy that I reference every now and again. A few things:

    1) why don't we hear about the Verdants elsewhere.
    2) why don`t we hear about surivors from previous Universes elsewhere.
    3) why don`t we hear about these groups meeting with aliens more often.

    In regard to the quote above: in an infinite creation there are infinite timelines and infinite universes. Initial conditions being unequal, all possibilities are actually potentialities. Therefore, if we can imagine it, somewhere, somewhen, it is true.
    Hi Rahkyt, those are good questions. I don't know the answers, but I will direct you to what Onyxknight wrote briefly about the Verdants in his "My ET Contact Experiences" thread, which I found interesting.

    Quote Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
    Quote Posted by Hughe (here)
    I have one more question. Have you heard about Verdants?
    I have seen them under a different label in one of the databanks Kresimir had. He did say some may know them as "Verdants". So yes. Botanical, green, very cunning little buggers.

    They are not allowed to do what they do in our galaxy though. I think most of the ETs already "smelled" their intentions.
    What I take from that (and the comments Onyxknight made above) is that the Verdants are not major players here on Earth, like Krapf and LoBuono have suggested. Perhaps at one time they had a desire to be and made contingency plans should opportunities arise, but maybe those days have passed. So they would probably not get much mention.
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    ...(snip)....

    Personally, my take differs, from the attitude that high-tech attainment of a society automatically implies a high spiritual development. Infinity might allow for many 'experimental' suppositions. Preferable in my own suppositions is that earthlings are being trained in the something comparable to a zoo. As beings somewhat safely caged apart from other beings, but with some interchanges between species allowed.

    At some point, will the caged species evolve in abilities? If so, then in which abilities? This seems to be the better attitude IMHO.

    Meanwhile, others within our cage will rattle it or spread dissonant rumors. To act as if a revolution should occur or some challenge should overcome something, all in lock step unison. So it goes with freewill. It provides some opportunity for others among us to individualize. To creatively- invent, if we have minds so enabled. To devise and also to promote new and better cages or pools or ideal-parks. In which to elevate the things which a species can envision or actually do.

    Perhaps even to elevate tired-out collective civilizations, who have extremely hi-tech mechanisms for their lives. Yet lack that very creative spark. The spark of inspiring higher harmonies through evolving hearts.

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    ...(snip)....

    Personally, my take differs, from the attitude that high-tech attainment of a society automatically implies a high spiritual development. Infinity might allow for many 'experimental' suppositions. Preferable in my own suppositions is that earthlings are being trained in the something comparable to a zoo.
    I would see it less of a "cage in a zoo", and more of a "conservation program" and a "national park"

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    I joined the local conservation-commision, but little was accomplished
    and for undisclosable, social reasons, it closed down.
    So now that is how i began to think it more of a zoo. What do i know

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    seems like we've got a menagerie going on here anyway, some lil green dudes with attitudes would probably fit in quite nicely, but if there is some level of protection afforded by other galactic forces that is keeping them out, that's something. It's a lot better than thinking the planet is totally unprotected and that absolutely all aliens are evil and have our worst interests at heart.

    i'm not sure if i agree about that high tech high spiritual evolution thing.

    seems to me the highest tech is in the mind. so the most advanced form of travel thru the cosmos would be by mental teleportation or through the mind with perhaps a projection of the body on the planet traveled to.

    external technology, gigantic ships, huge hive-like cities, all are resource-heavy. that means it's a consumptive civilization. meaning it must go from planet to planet to get more resources.

    that's what we do. it's not in synch with the natural world here and i doubt it would be out in the cosmos either.
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    seems like we've got a menagerie going on here anyway, some lil green dudes with attitudes would probably fit in quite nicely, but if there is some level of protection afforded by other galactic forces that is keeping them out, that's something. It's a lot better than thinking the planet is totally unprotected and that absolutely all aliens are evil and have our worst interests at heart.

    i'm not sure if i agree about that high tech high spiritual evolution thing.

    seems to me the highest tech is in the mind. so the most advanced form of travel thru the cosmos would be by mental teleportation or through the mind with perhaps a projection of the body on the planet traveled to.

    external technology, gigantic ships, huge hive-like cities, all are resource-heavy. that means it's a consumptive civilization. meaning it must go from planet to planet to get more resources.

    that's what we do. it's not in synch with the natural world here and i doubt it would be out in the cosmos either.
    The way civilizations (the "good" ones) spread, is not exponentially proportional, but slow (unless there is some kind of need for it), and they gather resources mostly from asteroids and cometary bodies (who are often rich in organic compounds too), or planets that have no life on them, or there is life, but they found a way to do what they do so it does not interfere with the ecosystem. A lot more responsible then what we may do (or are doing) in future.

    More advanced civilizations just take energy and matter from near black holes, or just use it from white holes.

    In terms of protection, yes, but then again, the four antagonist groups that are here, would probably look like people with bad attitude, and the Draconians, like the local bullies, compared to some things that are out there, and we have no idea about (and better that we don't, I say). So what they do here is damage control, and trying to tame a few wild and loose horses.

    Most of their focus is on the things that are more dangerous, and we don't know. Since there hasn't been a leak on them anywhere, that should be good news. It means all those things are kept at bay, in fair distance from us. For now anyway.

    We are just a bit unlucky to be in a bad corner of the galaxy, but we are doing good so far IMO.

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    May we all including the ETs be well, with ecology evolvement meant well.
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    Default Re: ALIEN MIND: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials, 2010

    Hey I just wanted to say thanks for sharing this, if nothing else it's a really interesting read so far. I'll check back in when I've finished it.
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    The way civilizations (the "good" ones) spread, is not exponentially proportional, but slow (unless there is some kind of need for it), and they gather resources mostly from asteroids and cometary bodies (who are often rich in organic compounds too), or planets that have no life on them, or there is life, but they found a way to do what they do so it does not interfere with the ecosystem. A lot more responsible then what we may do (or are doing) in future.

    More advanced civilizations just take energy and matter from near black holes, or just use it from white holes.

    In terms of protection, yes, but then again, the four antagonist groups that are here, would probably look like people with bad attitude, and the Draconians, like the local bullies, compared to some things that are out there, and we have no idea about (and better that we don't, I say). So what they do here is damage control, and trying to tame a few wild and loose horses.

    Most of their focus is on the things that are more dangerous, and we don't know. Since there hasn't been a leak on them anywhere, that should be good news. It means all those things are kept at bay, in fair distance from us. For now anyway.

    We are just a bit unlucky to be in a bad corner of the galaxy, but we are doing good so far IMO.
    Great description, OK, certainly puts it all into perspective. If what's out there is much worse than what's here I hesitate to even attempt to imagine what that means.
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    Hi, this is George LoBuono, the author of that (free) book, and I'm truly impressed to see the civility and politeness on this board.

    As for how Verdants can be so domineering, I should point out that over time, some alien populations have grown large and have either developed or have partly copied advanced technology. The problem is threefold: 1. Large, overgrown populations encounter resistance to their drastically disproportionate take of resources, so, in order to justify themselves, internally, their propaganda begins to either whitewash their harsh domineering manipulation of younger populations, or they simply portray us as dangerous primitives. Both routes de-humanize us, allowing them to commit real crimes. 2. What populations wants to be colonized by an overgrown, Orwellian alien group from another galaxy? Few, if none. From my (new) in progress book, After Contact and Conflict with Extraterrestrials:

    "Millions of years ago, when gravity pulled a small galaxy into the Verdant home galaxy, Verdants watched the small galaxy’s refugees move into star systems thousands of light years from the Verdant home planet. Reportedly worried about the growth of two competitor populations, Verdants decided to end their painstakingly achieved but brief cloned reproduction phase.89 See Alien Mind. They switched back to sexual reproduction, including the sometimes more violent, territorial behavior of sexuality. A Verdant told Phillip Krapf that it cost them a measure of intellect.90 A Verdant also told Krapf that Verdants returned to sexual parenting because it was more fulfilling. However, after Verdants were genetically engineered to be less emotional, the cold and sometimes ruthless tasks of Verdant expansion and colonization may have been a bigger factor in the Verdant return to sexuality. Soon, Verdants increased in number and began to want more planets, more resources and yet more exotic travels.

    "Other worlds surely criticized the decision because, in part, Verdants were using a minor galaxy merger as an excuse to expand and take more planets. Millions of years later, Verdants had spread out to inhabit thousands of star systems, including a sprinkling of colonies in surrounding galaxies.91 In order to make a place for themselves where they went, they recruited young, often naive populations into their network.

    "In all likelihood, the first problem they encountered was resistance. Young, evolving populations wanted Verdant technology but probably didn’t want to permit Verdant bases in star systems surrounding their own planets. So, Verdants abducted thousands of the younger aliens and stole their reproductive materials to make hybrids, then used the hybrids to infiltrate young planets and steer them into the Verdant fold. Sometimes it worked, but there was always a crisis when a young planet discovered the plan. To avoid the hatred and reaction that occurred upon discovery, Verdants used lesser, subordinate aliens to do their abductions.

    "That way, when the scheme was discovered, target planets would resent the subordinates, not Verdants. To confuse the peoples of target planets, Verdants shuffled subordinate hybrids like cards, hoping that target planets wouldn’t sort out the details, but target planets often saw through the ploy. So, at some point, in order to get their way during the latter stages of their interventions Verdants began to sabotage the internal order of target planets and sowed conflict among them to make them desperate so that they’d see Verdants as saviors. It was a heinous, criminal scheme. For example, as a Verdant told Krapf while he was onboard their ship, in one case Verdants infiltrated some 10,000 of their operatives onto a planet, allowing them to become “heads of military units, key scientists, government leaders, and chief executives of industrial complexes, including armament manufacturers. Through sabotage, subterfuge, misdirection, persuasion over great masses of the host populations, and careful manipulation of government policy,” Verdants achieved their ends on the given planet. The Challenge of Contact, p. 76-77 As a result of such manipulations, Verdant society grew more corrupt and self-centered--in an evolved yet insular alien way. When they compared themselves to less advanced target planets, Verdants felt better about the damage they’d done. Although Verdants had better science and technology, they were becoming coldly distant in ways that they hadn’t expected. In order to keep their empire intact, they probably censored ugly details out of their news in order to frustrate political movements that might call for an end to further colonization. Still, in the best minds it was obvious that their empire had grown too large and acquisitive.

    "Although Milky Way aliens have cautioned some humans about Verdant activity here, most people don’t know about aliens, just yet, which has allowed Verdants further time.92"

    (end of quote) Finally, 3. old aliens like Verdants have probably been genetically engineered to be less emotional, hence they feel less empathy. And, after hundreds or thousands of years of harsh, sometimes destructive colonizing routines, they become numb if not insensitive. They don't feel for victims of their policies.

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    Glad to see you posting George!

    I suspect that the question will come up of whether information on the Grays/Verdants is fear/scarcity-based in nature. Speaking as someone who has experimented with the sensing technique George described in Alien Mind, I can happily say that the vast majority of ET groups feel far more loving and refined than most on Earth, and they DO live in shared abundance (though still with some technical and cultural limitations). Groups like the Grays/Verdants are very much the exception among societies that have achieved FE usage, and even then their flaws are more passive-aggressive in nature, as opposed to the more overt evil in human corporations and government.
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    When investigating not only this, but also other facets of the illnesses plaguing our world (along with the wide expanses of the universe, when you need to recharge your spirit) practicing some form of mental stillness and expansion is key. I've experimented with various means of attaining such, two of which are some of the techniques from the late Franz Bardon's system Initiation into Hermetics, along with Taoist Neikung and Kundalini Yoga.

    One thing I should note, don't expect anything mind blowing right from the getgo, initial experiences with subtle senses may be quite vague. As with all things though, practice makes perfect.
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    Hi, this is George LoBuono, the author of that (free) book, and I'm truly impressed to see the civility and politeness on this board.

    As for how Verdants can be so domineering, I should point out that over time, some alien populations have grown large and have either developed or have partly copied advanced technology. The problem is threefold: 1. Large, overgrown populations encounter resistance to their drastically disproportionate take of resources, so, in order to justify themselves, internally, their propaganda begins to either whitewash their harsh domineering manipulation of younger populations, or they simply portray us as dangerous primitives. Both routes de-humanize us, allowing them to commit real crimes. 2. What populations wants to be colonized by an overgrown, Orwellian alien group from another galaxy? Few, if none. From my (new) in progress book, After Contact and Conflict with Extraterrestrials:

    "Millions of years ago, when gravity pulled a small galaxy into the Verdant home galaxy, Verdants watched the small galaxy’s refugees move into star systems thousands of light years from the Verdant home planet. Reportedly worried about the growth of two competitor populations, Verdants decided to end their painstakingly achieved but brief cloned reproduction phase.89 See Alien Mind. They switched back to sexual reproduction, including the sometimes more violent, territorial behavior of sexuality. A Verdant told Phillip Krapf that it cost them a measure of intellect.90 A Verdant also told Krapf that Verdants returned to sexual parenting because it was more fulfilling. However, after Verdants were genetically engineered to be less emotional, the cold and sometimes ruthless tasks of Verdant expansion and colonization may have been a bigger factor in the Verdant return to sexuality. Soon, Verdants increased in number and began to want more planets, more resources and yet more exotic travels.

    "Other worlds surely criticized the decision because, in part, Verdants were using a minor galaxy merger as an excuse to expand and take more planets. Millions of years later, Verdants had spread out to inhabit thousands of star systems, including a sprinkling of colonies in surrounding galaxies.91 In order to make a place for themselves where they went, they recruited young, often naive populations into their network.

    "In all likelihood, the first problem they encountered was resistance. Young, evolving populations wanted Verdant technology but probably didn’t want to permit Verdant bases in star systems surrounding their own planets. So, Verdants abducted thousands of the younger aliens and stole their reproductive materials to make hybrids, then used the hybrids to infiltrate young planets and steer them into the Verdant fold. Sometimes it worked, but there was always a crisis when a young planet discovered the plan. To avoid the hatred and reaction that occurred upon discovery, Verdants used lesser, subordinate aliens to do their abductions.

    "That way, when the scheme was discovered, target planets would resent the subordinates, not Verdants. To confuse the peoples of target planets, Verdants shuffled subordinate hybrids like cards, hoping that target planets wouldn’t sort out the details, but target planets often saw through the ploy. So, at some point, in order to get their way during the latter stages of their interventions Verdants began to sabotage the internal order of target planets and sowed conflict among them to make them desperate so that they’d see Verdants as saviors. It was a heinous, criminal scheme. For example, as a Verdant told Krapf while he was onboard their ship, in one case Verdants infiltrated some 10,000 of their operatives onto a planet, allowing them to become “heads of military units, key scientists, government leaders, and chief executives of industrial complexes, including armament manufacturers. Through sabotage, subterfuge, misdirection, persuasion over great masses of the host populations, and careful manipulation of government policy,” Verdants achieved their ends on the given planet. The Challenge of Contact, p. 76-77 As a result of such manipulations, Verdant society grew more corrupt and self-centered--in an evolved yet insular alien way. When they compared themselves to less advanced target planets, Verdants felt better about the damage they’d done. Although Verdants had better science and technology, they were becoming coldly distant in ways that they hadn’t expected. In order to keep their empire intact, they probably censored ugly details out of their news in order to frustrate political movements that might call for an end to further colonization. Still, in the best minds it was obvious that their empire had grown too large and acquisitive.

    "Although Milky Way aliens have cautioned some humans about Verdant activity here, most people don’t know about aliens, just yet, which has allowed Verdants further time.92"

    (end of quote) Finally, 3. old aliens like Verdants have probably been genetically engineered to be less emotional, hence they feel less empathy. And, after hundreds or thousands of years of harsh, sometimes destructive colonizing routines, they become numb if not insensitive. They don't feel for victims of their policies.
    George, Welcome to Avalon, if i may say so. (Though i'm just a fly on the wall here. With two many tangential interests to maintain extended dialogs.) Your book of this thread seems to integrate some basic science along with the '"warning! aliens are highjacking earth!" message. I especially appreciate an integrative-scientific-approach. I do look forward to your new book. Thanks for your views and your generous efforts.

    This alien-anarchy message has been in sci-fi for a long time. As sort of a polar aspect for consideration, contrasting the innocent belief in an addressable God to immediately save our present self into eternity, (somehow). So i have wondered: Is humanity served by individualized messages using individualized alien-terminologies? I'm a proponent of individualism and could imagine it does serve well. Then let specific message-formats speak to the attracted readers, who will read through a book.

    I also believe that metaphor is the basis for most human of all understandings. Thereby metaphor skews awarenesses, as well. I almost wonder if human over-indulgence in metaphor also holds down humans. In that rote-education results in a collectivist style of awareness. A collectivist-ploy to subjugate individualistic pursuits, (pursuits of higher knowledge or happiness of a better kind).

    wavydome
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    Glad to see you posting George!

    I suspect that the question will come up of whether information on the Grays/Verdants is fear/scarcity-based in nature. Speaking as someone who has experimented with the sensing technique George described in Alien Mind, I can happily say that the vast majority of ET groups feel far more loving and refined than most on Earth, and they DO live in shared abundance (though still with some technical and cultural limitations). Groups like the Grays/Verdants are very much the exception among societies that have achieved FE usage, and even then their flaws are more passive-aggressive in nature, as opposed to the more overt evil in human corporations and government.
    Welcome to the forum Enishi. I appreciate your comments too. Yes, George did offer a fine tool for independent thinkers who are curious about 'contact'... Although i'd have to admit to not having focussed on it per se. It does meld well with other notions i've gleaned in rural life, communing with wild life. A sort of non-use of "the line of sight", as a communication channel. Rather be open to a wider band of communal presence and exchange, with focal points inside the mind sphere. I try doing something similar in talking with nature. Even getting a dragon fly to let me free them from inside my greenhouse. The other flies present philosophic dialogs for me. How do we harmonize with a house fly or a blue bottle fly? I actually want to work out arrangements with these creatures. Whereby we can both benefit. Perhaps this is somewhat similar to integrating with the friendly-universe.

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