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    Default Veterans Today Duff article summarizing what he claims Military considers official

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06...-new-ballgame/

    (more at link, including Romney/Paul info)

    Quote Reality and the Beliefs of the Military and Clandestine Community

    By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

    First of all, to the idiots who monitor all our communications, internet, telephone, who knows how far they have gone or are going, do not think there aren’t lists of those who oppose this illegal effort and will see to it you are indicted. If you believe the current form of government is going to be superseded by a corporate plutocracy as in the Canadian TV shown “Continuum,” (find it) you are mistaken.

    The old power bases are gone, too many have been burned. Playing spy as though you think the courts still support FISA will get you some GITMO time, don’t take my word for it, “times are a changin.’”

    Homeland Security (DHS) is strangling the efforts of several older institutions. This is beyond just “turf war” and is becoming an embarrassment.

    The machinery put together during Bush II is entirely dysfunctional, control of the Justice Department is gone, in fact, under Holder, we aren’t sure it exists anymore. Only Homeland Security is still around and will be held accountable, not for passenger searches but for childish plots. Go ahead, bug the Pentagon, you won’ t like it.

    Here is where things stand on 9/11 today:
    ■The official accepted belief on the towers is that the two were destroyed by 4 small nuclear devices, two in the basement, two on upper floors, that produced over a million degrees of heat that dissolved the building, put out minor radiation for a short distance and kept fires burning for months. It vaporized enough steel to build 3 huge aircraft carriers and huge beams hundreds of yards away show more damage than anything in Hiroshima. This is the official opinion of DARPA and the US Army. This is highly classified but I am printing it anyway.
    ■Building 7 is said to have been destroyed with conventional explosives.
    ■No official secret finding has been reached on the Pentagon attack other than that wreckage from a Columbia crash in 1995 was dumped on the lawn and the site was altered during the day to simulate an air crash. I have not been given access to anything beyond this and choose not to make something up.
    ■The official finding as to rationale for the 9/11 attacks was to cheat insurance companies out of billions. Those who have examined US policy said that there were other simpler possibilities for bringing the US to war other than the 9/11 action against the US. (for those who don’t catch the connection, it has been accepted that 9/11 was an “inside job”)
    ■Many Israeli teams were involved in 9/11 and the twin tower attack was entirely an Israeli action with our military and intelligence services denying involvement. This is not my opinion, this is official.
    ■Several Israeli teams were arrested on 9/11, one after the George Washington Bridge explosion. There were other attacks on 9/11 thwarted by police, one on the Lincoln Tunnel. There is no evidence of an attack on the Verrazano Bridge or Brooklyn Bridge. Arrests were made of the Israeli’s at the GWB, hard proof exists but the arrests at the Lincoln Tunnel, two Israeli citizens, van of explosives and weapons is only backed by limited police testimony and they are scared to death. An authoritative source on the scene says the terrorists, Israelis, were turned over to Bernie Kerik, Police Commissioner and never heard from again.

    Thousands of cancer victims, hundreds, maybe thousands dead of “radiation poisoning” already are attributed to use of fire hoses directly on the moulton nuclear “ground zero” which put radiated water vapor into the air which was unintended. These nuclear heat chambers below the twin towers put out massive heat for 64 days under a flood of continual cold water although there is no official attribution to their heat source. Perhaps it was burning asbestos and insurance policies?

    An outrageously false cover story about a “toxic stew” involving “dry wall” was part of the “official record.” By that standard, every firefighter, drywaller or person who has lived in a building with drywall is actually dead but not yet informed.

    Thousands of New Yorkers are dying of radiation poisoning from 9/11 and being “monitored” or being offered payments from a several billion dollar fund that mysterious appeared to buy their silence.

    Other groups have evidence regarding the aircraft, crews, passengers, “theoretical phone calls and text messages” with much of it in FBI files. Some of that information is evidence worthy and some is not but there is much that can be introduced in court.

    Many people who are potential witnesses have disappeared, thousands have been threatened. The numbers are so large that they in themselves have been used by some as proof there was a massive coverup conspiracy. “Why or how could so many people be controlled or killed and what kind of person would do this?”

    Do you really want that question answered? You think the million plus dead on Rwanda was an accident? You never heard of the uncounted dead in Guatemala, Mexico and where you have heard, you have been lulled into immunity.

    ....

    CONCLUSION

    These are the hard facts and accepted theories by the real experts, without any of the speculation of activists or “conspiracy theory” folks. There is more, much more, but how much anger is allowed?

    What we can’t do is walk away from our political system when we have one party of foreign controlled traitors, the GOP and another of petty mobsters and incompetents, the Democrats. We have what we deserved.
    ......
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    Default Re: Veterans Today Duff article summarizing what he claims Military considers officia

    interesting read... nuclear devices at 9/11 is a first time read for me (though I've given up on the subject long ago & just file it under : needs investigation now)

    I wish this stuff was sourced, for now its credibility hangs on faith I suppose(?)
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    Seriously why would you give anybody credit who is saying that there were "mini nukes" used to turn the buildings to dust. Look into Judy Wood's Where did the Towers go if you want to understand what happened that day. Target, goto Judy Wood and you will find all the sources you need to understand for yourself what happened that day. Not how it was done, but what was done.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    interesting read... nuclear devices at 9/11 is a first time read for me (though I've given up on the subject long ago & just file it under : needs investigation now)

    I wish this stuff was sourced, for now its credibility hangs on faith I suppose(?)
    Yes, when he states:

    Quote is the official opinion of DARPA and the US Army. This is highly classified but I am printing it anyway.
    That alone, if true, would ensure no sources would go on the record. He always claims to have 'intelligence community' sources for all of his material, which I have now moved into the 'must keep up with' category in spite of no proof. Yet.
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    Quote Posted by 9ofClubs (here)
    Seriously why would you give anybody credit who is saying that there were "mini nukes" used to turn the buildings to dust. Look into Judy Wood's Where did the Towers go if you want to understand what happened that day. Target, goto Judy Wood and you will find all the sources you need to understand for yourself what happened that day. Not how it was done, but what was done.
    That's also what John Lear is sure of, as he includes in his sig file:

    Quote Dr. Judy Wood is being attacked on all fronts especially by Jim Fetzer. Anybody who attacks Dr. Woods book is, in my opinion, a full fledged disinformation tool.
    at his thread on GLP : http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...e1468214/pg190

    I find Duff's overall info, not just his 9/11-supposedly intel-sourced material, of interest to me. A topic reporting his 'claims' is not 'giving credit' in my view. His other info concerning what's proved and what's alleged about the activities of Mossad spies that day is also well-known to me.

    Don't read my threads quoting Duff if you don't want to hear what he has to say, or at least don't impune me for reporting what he says. He appears to have sources and contacts within the intelligence community, of course that is a mix of info and disinfo for each to discern the value of.

    And I have looked into Judy Wood's material, by the way.
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    The mossad being involved should be of no surprise to anyone. However, it is a red herring. What happened to the buildings is beyond what the mossad is capable of. If you have looked in Judy Wood's work then why did you not qualify the Duff quote with "Well I dont buy his ideas on 9-11, but some other things he has to say is of some interest"? What does John Lear have to do with this conversation? This point seems irrelevant.
    If not then maybe you do not find Judy Wood's evidence credible, in that case we have nothing left discuss sir.

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    Quote in that case we have nothing left discuss sir
    That's true in every case. Good day, sir.
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    Kerry weighs in today on this same article (Note Wood and Lear and Fetzer mentioned as relevant):

    http://projectcamelotportal.com/inde...=31&Itemid=218

    Quote I find it fun and entertaining to actually hear someone speak the truth once and a while. In the case of Gordon Duff, editor of Veteran's Today we get at least some truth which is more than can be said from most anything else out there on the net today...

    For example. In today's article he is writing the U.S. Army and DARPA official story on 911 and it goes like this...

    <OP content above listed>

    Now he hasn't mentioned the liklihood of a particle beam weapon (Judy Wood is talking about this) being used on the Twin Towers or the holograms of Planes which Jim Fetzer and John Lear describe very well but this is a case of "and they used a particle beam weapon and holograms" not "or"... So I still give Duff cudos for coming out with a good dose of truth.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    interesting read... nuclear devices at 9/11 is a first time read for me (though I've given up on the subject long ago & just file it under : needs investigation now)

    I wish this stuff was sourced, for now its credibility hangs on faith I suppose(?)
    This video was just shared somewhere on PA (forgot where), TargeT. This lady --- a CIA asset, tells about her involvement with foreknowledge of 9/11 and her opinion of the nuclear devices


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    Here is her (approved) backstory, typical of how a whistleblower gets treated, sanitized to not include any of her 9/11 current claims

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
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