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    Default Re: The 'Shroud of Turin' is FAKE..!

    I saw an interesting piece on the History Channel a few years ago that made a really good case that the Shroud was created by Leonardo da Vinci as a gigantic joke against the Church....I've never believed in the veracity of the Shroud of Turin. One of forty fakes, you say? I'd be surprised if one in forty were real! Thanks, Jack...
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    Default Re: The 'Shroud of Turin' is FAKE..!

    Good God, if Jesus looked like that, Christians have a real problem. Look at where the eyes are in comparison to the overall head. No matter how deformed, any and all human beings have their eyes located right in the middle of the head. (It is an illusion that they are more towards the top of the head.) But not that thing. The eyes are at least 2/3 of the way up. That creature is from a different universe.

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    Default Re: The 'Shroud of Turin' is FAKE..!

    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    in the Bible Jesus was wrapped in strips of linen cloths and furthermore there was a head covering as well

    so the Shroud of Turin does not fit the description given in the Bible





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    its all about the movements of celestial bodies, being encoded into symbolic stories.

    references to planets stars and constellations in the Bible

    are fortelling future events


    you see God did not only inspire the Bible

    He also confirmed His story in the sky


    and like clockwork

    time is ticking down
    so would i be right in thinking, that your a christian, who see's the bigger picture?

    i do agree that in its original form, the bible is a work of art
    the transition from astronomical fact, into parables and verses is amazing.
    but 90% of modern day christianity is corrupt in my view.
    designed to control, and keep people ignorant.

    someone earlier in this thread kinda mentioned that in some respects
    whether the shroud is genuine or not doesnt really matter
    and i agree on one level,
    but at the same time,
    this is a period of revealations

    and with each lie that gets broken
    we become a little bit more free
    when i went there nothing happened!, i was bored out of my mind..................in the Twilight Zone.

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    Quote Posted by Chuck (here)
    Many believe that the image on the Shroud of Turin was that of Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Order of Knights Templar.
    Food for thought....

    March 18, 1314, Paris
    Jacques de Molay, Died


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    The way I've u.derstood it, is that, under scrutiny, the shroud had signs of flowing blood, or water on it. as if blood or some sort of liquid was still flowing from the body upon placement of the cloth. Christians would rather have it believed to be fake, than admit that jesus might not have ben dead upon removal from the cross, thus negating the " resurection" .... lesser of two evils perhaps.
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    Quote Posted by SKAWF (here)
    its all about the movements of celestial bodies, being encoded into symbolic stories.

    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    references to planets stars and constellations in the Bible

    are fortelling future events


    you see God did not only inspire the Bible

    He also confirmed His story in the sky


    and like clockwork

    time is ticking down

    Quote Posted by SKAWF (here)
    so would i be right in thinking, that your a christian, who see's the bigger picture?

    i do agree that in its original form, the bible is a work of art
    the transition from astronomical fact, into parables and verses is amazing.
    but 90% of modern day christianity is corrupt in my view.
    designed to control, and keep people ignorant.

    yes you're right

    and also christianity is corrupt

    but Christ is not


    there is little glory to Jesus from the pulpits

    and no mention of fire and brimstone


    people are partying into hell

    and nobody dare stop them

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    Quote Posted by dreamer (here)
    The way I've u.derstood it, is that, under scrutiny, the shroud had signs of flowing blood, or water on it. as if blood or some sort of liquid was still flowing from the body upon placement of the cloth. Christians would rather have it believed to be fake, than admit that jesus might not have ben dead upon removal from the cross, thus negating the " resurection" .... lesser of two evils perhaps.
    I was waiting for that train of thought to enter this thread. Cui bono?

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    Default Re: The 'Shroud of Turin' is FAKE..!

    It should be further noted that the "actual" burial attire of Jesus, as recorded by the Bible, is listed as "linen clothe(s)", as in "plural", and certainly not as "this Shroud of Turin", which has been presented as a "single" garment!

    John 20:1-8
    King James Version (KJV)

    20 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

    2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

    3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.

    4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

    5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

    6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

    7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

    8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.


    Additionally, we find that "the napkin that was about his head", also a "separate garment" was completely detached from the other "linen clothes" and laying in place by itself!!!

    (Ooops,......the Vatican must have missed this piece of evidence!!)

    Sounds to me like one needs to simply make the decision on which "one" to believe?

    The "Biblical account",......or........the "manufactured Shroud of Turin account"!

    That's a "no brainer", to me!

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    Default Re: The 'Shroud of Turin' is FAKE..!

    On the History Channel there was an episode called "The Real Face of Jesus from the Shroud of Turin". It took awhile but using all of modern technologies, these guys were able to produce a moving, 3D image! I remember holding my breath for the reveal!



    But even after all of this, it STILL can't be proven that it was Jesus Christ.... Could be fake.... But what they've done was amazing....!

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    Wow Maia! That IS amazing. Thanks!
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    Default Re: The 'Shroud of Turin' is FAKE..!

    No kidding, the idea that Jesus might look like a white anglo saxon dark ages knight, wasn't that supposed to be a clue?
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