In Search of the Cabal

[Dale]

Now, I'm very skeptical of the idea of a "New World Order" type group ruling over the planet. I've found no evidence of a global office for this group, nor have I found any proof of annual meetings. Yes, there is the Bilderberg Group, the annual Bohemian Grove meetings, and a plethora of shady secret societies; but there's one theme I've yet to find - Organization.

I believe the members of these groups have a great deal of influence over the societies of the planet, but to say they are all working in unison, together, to achieve a single goal is a bit of a stretch, in my opinion. To say that CEO's of large corporations who depend on masses to buy their products are in agreement with powerful men, like Dr. Kissinger, a proponent of population control, again, seems like a stretch.

Now, add in the leaders of industrialized nations, black budget scientists, the military, and those pesky ET's, and it becomes a real life "Where's Waldo?".

At this point, it's anyone's call. A literal braiding of agendas and plans, leaders and masses. Again, I turn to the central theme, or lack thereof, of this control game - Organization.

There is absolutely no doubt that certain, powerful individuals and groups exert a great deal of control over aspects of everyday life. I can watch the world news for thirty minutes and see evidence of this. Commercials for artificial food products. Wars fought over religion, or a misunderstanding of it. Economic games being played on every level imaginable. Scarcity and surplus, both being pitted against each other. But I have to ask myself - Is there a central architect of this nauseating system, or are there scores of "elite groups" all battling over each other, and the masses, for ultimate power?

Just a thought

[Majorion]

I believe you've come up with all the right answers here, by asking the right questions and following a certain train of logic.

Posted by The_Cipher_Replied (here)
I believe the members of these groups have a great deal of influence over the societies of the planet, but to say they are all working in unison, together, to achieve a single goal is a bit of a stretch, in my opinion.

Not only a bit of a stretch, it is an enormous stretch. By the way great title *in search of the cabal*, it implies there is no one identifiable organization we can say control the world, we are still *searching*. Your display of critical thinking here highlights the loopholes in the NWO conspiracy theory. Thanks for the great post.

[lightblue]

agree with majorion..

also sounds like one of the cabal asking questions about the cabal (please don't thake it personally - i do not mean the author of the thread is one).. l

[Dale]

Thanks for the comments. I feel that too many of us in disclosure, or alternative news communities, use the terms "New World Order," and "The Powers that Be," without critically thinking about the groups we're commenting on. It's quite the stretch to believe that there is a "corporate headquarters" for one, central group that controls, well, everything. I believe that "The Powers that Be" aren't one, unified group; but instead a wide array of powerful individuals and conglomerates, all rivaling each other.

Do we honestly think that a group of, oh say, three hundred, rich, powerful men from across the planet meeting annually to plot the future of an entire civilization, could agree on anything? I doubt they'd even make it past arguing about football teams

[Luke]

Another good one Cipher!

I wrote in other place some my thoughts about it. In sum: we're dealing with group of people on high level, but any single one of them is pursuing his own goals and agendas BUT they are all interested in keeping the status quo intact, i.e. the power pyramid they are sitting at the top. They fight between themselves openly and closely but that does not change anything really (it's a part of their game- every new boss is as bad as an old one)

What worries me is to many "alternative researchers" are interested in battling "the ones at the top" just to replace them with themselves.

EDIT: also of note: Celine's Second Law

[Dale]

In sum: we're dealing with group of people on high level, but any single one of them is pursuing his own goals and agendas BUT they are all interested in keeping the status quo intact, i.e. the power pyramid they are sitting at the top. They fight between themselves openly and closely but that does not change anything really (it's a part of their game- every new boss is as bad as an old one)

I think that's a great summary of the elite games that are being played. It seems like the members of this "illuminated" crowd, so to speak, have similar interests, especially "in keeping the status quo intact," as you said. What I've also heard is that this "illuminated" crowd is, well, "illuminated." A great deal of the more powerful people seem to possess knowledge in occult matters, including information regarding ET's. Although they are working together in some aspects, as they do have a similar, invested interest; they also rival and fight amongst each other - all while showing a mutual "respect" for the opposing factions. It's a strange relationship. I'd be quite nervous to be in one of these groups. I bet the moment I'd leave for holiday, so to speak, I'd end up on some sort of traitor list

[Heartsong]

Well said Cypher, Bravo!

[truthabout]

Hi ,

I have followed Avalon/Camelot for a number of years without posting anything, too busy with other venture's.
Even when I eventually joined, because I feel I had something to contribute, I did not post, instead I like to
read what people are saying and looking at what ever agenda is the topic of the day - everyone is taking there
place in what is unfolding.
To say there is "no organization" is simply not true.

Maybe start with the "Rothschilds" who have a hand in 13 Central Banks (from memory) and control everything
in the financial system worldwide.

That should keep you busy for a while ! Much more to discover if you have the passion !

"Follow the Money", when you find pieces of the jigsaw, you find the answer !

Thats it for my first post, Happy hunting !

Derek

[Luke]

Posted by The_Cipher_Replied (here)
[...] What I've also heard is that this "illuminated" crowd is, well, "illuminated." A great deal of the more powerful people seem to possess knowledge in occult matters, including information regarding ET's. [...]

If we follow "bloodlines" (so to speak), we'll see that current "top gamers" spiritual children of old feudal nobility, which in turn trace themselves to Roman nobility or eastern empire nobility. There are "secrets" passed there for sure. On the other hand the very nature of actions of a man to get into that top game, make sure that he will have a proper mindset / psychical makeup to handle of this, and do not go rogue.
It seems that for a time they tried to "keep it in the family" but genetic degradation and compounding mental deficiencies closed that route - so about the time of French Revolution rules were changed and new blood allowed. Many signs now point that similar shift will happen.
I'd risk stating that the strategists in this game seem to understand that- after all they were able to survive calamities like fall of Rome, Byzantium, French Crown, Holy Roman Empire etc. Always they found another "host" society. Wonder why, no?
As for following the money .. paper money is illusion. Do you thing those in 'top game" make deals in paper dollars? It's a tool to control us, the mundanes, mehums or whatever they call us these days.

[truthabout]

Exactly,

Paper money is worthless !!! But you are led to believe that it is your "God".

When I say "Follow the Money", I mean follow the finacial trail, dollar goes up then down, euro up then down , Gold up then down, and who Benefits all these moves, the guy's who control the casino !

In 2001 or thereabouts I made a lot of money in gold (not bragging just explaining a point), because nobody knew the history of Gold, and the "Organization" was more interested in expanding and fleecing the housing bubble - They Had Created !

Try to watch "The Secret of Oz" - you can get it on You Tube - and you find the Gold market is rigged as well ! The only way to stop the game, is not to play it in the first place !

The only way to stop the banking game ( they control you ) is to not put your money in the bank !

Put the pieces of the jigsaw together and you change the game.

Derek

[Fredkc]

A few quotes from Thomas Jefferson on Money and Banking:

"I sincerely believe ... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself."

"Scenes are now to take place as will open the eyes of credulity and of insanity itself, to the dangers of a paper medium abandoned to the discretion of avarice and of swindlers."

"Everything predicted by the enemies of banks, in the beginning, is now coming to pass. We are to be ruined now by the deluge of bank paper. "

Fred

Wealth and money have long ago parted ways, methinks.

[Fredkc]

Wealth and money have long ago parted ways, methinks.

IMO, One of the key indicators of this lies in the age-old, and still used practice of creating Foundations by the Robber Barons.

The game goes like this.
Like the occasional hard working Schmo, you somehow manage to pile up a good deal of money.
Then it dawns on you, the best way to keep it is to be able to influence government about when and how it comes after your money. This, of course, helps you pile it even faster.

A few decades of this and you wind up with a "Holy Jeezus! Look at all this money!" sized pile.

Now you are left with the necessity and luxury of "Checking out". How?
Ford Foundation.
Carnegie Foundation.
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, etc.
Here you sink a vast sum of your earnings knowing it will be forever tax free.
1. Your time is now spent on "other pursuits".
2. It looks good to the public.
3. You can continue being influential in both govt. and society as a whole with little suspicion.

But look at what they do from a different perspective.
1. None of these people were the "Kumbaya - We are the world" type.
2. None seem to have gone through some drastic change in philosophy, either.

Yet what these foundations invariably push are what can easily be described as "socialist ideals". By that I mean, notions of what society "should be doing", but that are inevitably paid for by everyone but them. In fact, I'd venture that a good number of these ideas get paid for by government.

This even feeds back to their public corporation side, in that ultimately you cannot really tax a corporation (yes, this last is a pet notion of mine). Think of it this way:

• Government sets out with some "fine notion", and needs money.
• Government decides that to raise it they will put a 5 cent tax on all Big Macs, Whoppers, and burritos.

What happens?

• Big Macs, Whoppers, and burritos all go up 7 cents in price.
• 5 cents to handle the tax, and
• 2 cents to handle the paperwork of passing it along.

The Robber Baron's money remains "safe".

Just a thought...
Fred

[Dale]

Maybe start with the "Rothschilds" who have a hand in 13 Central Banks (from memory) and control everything in the financial system worldwide.

Those pesky "Red Shields" have been the biggest players in the banking game for a couple hundred years now, but they're only part of an even larger game. The Rothschilds are only another elite family with ties in another elite industry, fighting with other powerful conglomerates, and amongst each other, for reasons we don't quite understand. "The Powers that Be" aren't as organized and unified as many are led to believe. Nor are they one, single group under one, single name. There's a great deal of backstabbing and blackmailing that go on behind those securely locked doors.

[Luke]

Posted by truthabout (here)
Exactly,

Paper money is worthless !!! But you are led to believe that it is your "God".

Its not worthless. As all things it is worth as much as we believe it is worth.
And as with many of our beliefs, we do not ask if pretty package full of high words /spells is actually backed with anything.
It's a perfect examples how engineering beliefs in population serves as a tool of control. One of their secrets.

Posted by Fredkc (here)
A few quotes from Thomas Jefferson on Money and Banking:
[...]
Wealth and money have long ago parted ways, methinks.

Great quotes from man who knew bit or two about the game. It shows wonderfully how deep this rabbithole is
Also serves as great example of typical two wing power play: Jeffersonians were attacked from British/loyalist side AND from Hamilton/Washington team, that wanted central bank, paper money and American State (as opposed to federation) ... History books (at least here) do not mention that at all.
One need to mention that man who finished what Hamilton started was no one else than man so beloved by underdogs and "alternatives" - Abraham Lincoln, with his War Against South Independence and greenback scheme, followed by "Legal Tender" that paved the way for 1913 FED ... man deeply backed by railroad construction corporations.. but some still think it was all about slaves, LOL

[Fredkc]

but some still think it was all about slaves, LOL

Hi SaiCO...
Lincoln never freed a single slave in his life, actually.
His "emancipation Proclamation" only freed slaves in states that had already seceded from the union. He might as well have declared all slaves in Borneo, or Kenya free.

The Civil War was actually about making the Federal Government's rule the dominant one, forsaking the 10th amendment altogether. In fact he stated that if he could have accomplished those ends without freeing a single slave, he would have done it in a heartbeat.

Ain't history a bunch of fun?
Fred

Came back to add...
Don't get me wrong, I happen to think that slavery is one of the most vile practices possible. And I also have a particular dislike of racism (having having found myself on both sides of the issue, in this life).I'm just not a big fan of Lincoln, or how he is written up in history books.

[Snowbird]

David Icke has researched this subject for years/decades. Below, I have linked a .pdf of an article written by Icke that has a great description of what you seek. When you open it, scroll down about an inch to the picture of The Round Table.

Thus, your answer.

The Round Table-Bilderberg Network
by David Icke

http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-Fo...ergNetwork.pdf

[K626]

Posted by Fredkc (here)
IMO, One of the key indicators of this lies in the age-old, and still used practice of creating Foundations by the Robber Barons.

The game goes like this.
Like the occasional hard working Schmo, you somehow manage to pile up a good deal of money.
Then it dawns on you, the best way to keep it is to be able to influence government about when and how it comes after your money. This, of course, helps you pile it even faster.

A few decades of this and you wind up with a "Holy Jeezus! Look at all this money!" sized pile.

Now you are left with the necessity and luxury of "Checking out". How?
Ford Foundation.
Carnegie Foundation.
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, etc.
Here you sink a vast sum of your earnings knowing it will be forever tax free.
1. Your time is now spent on "other pursuits".
2. It looks good to the public.
3. You can continue being influential in both govt. and society as a whole with little suspicion.

But look at what they do from a different perspective.
1. None of these people were the "Kumbaya - We are the world" type.
2. None seem to have gone through some drastic change in philosophy, either.

Yet what these foundations invariably push are what can easily be described as "socialist ideals". By that I mean, notions of what society "should be doing", but that are inevitably paid for by everyone but them. In fact, I'd venture that a good number of these ideas get paid for by government.

This even feeds back to their public corporation side, in that ultimately you cannot really tax a corporation (yes, this last is a pet notion of mine). Think of it this way:

• Government sets out with some "fine notion", and needs money.
• Government decides that to raise it they will put a 5 cent tax on all Big Macs, Whoppers, and burritos.

What happens?

• Big Macs, Whoppers, and burritos all go up 7 cents in price.
• 5 cents to handle the tax, and
• 2 cents to handle the paperwork of passing it along.

The Robber Baron's money remains "safe".

Just a thought...
Fred

Good read that, even made me giggle. Then of course the foundations are used for covert agendas so far off the radar that they are, all camoflaged with ideals and whatnot.

[FrankoL]

This world is not ours. This is so obvious. It is just like living in a permanent illusion. Actually have you asked yourself what are you doing here? 95% of people did not, for sure. Our reality is SLEEP, EAT, WORK, TAXES, + 1% of spare time (TV). Elite group made a great job, don't you think? Yes, they have much spare time for CABAL, making agendas, ... All what is necessary to complete their goal. Everywhere you can see are their signs and symbols, architecture, politics, money, religion, ... it's their system, their world. And we are not even part of it. OK, we are helping them to make their dreams come true. Now it is time to think about ourselves and start to create our world. Just think. It is now or never.

[Steven]

Posted by The_Cipher_Replied (here)
Now, I'm very skeptical of the idea of a "New World Order" type group ruling over the planet. I've found no evidence of a global office for this group, nor have I found any proof of annual meetings. Yes, there is the Bilderberg Group, the annual Bohemian Grove meetings, and a plethora of shady secret societies; but there's one theme I've yet to find - Organization...

Hello dear The_Cipher_Replied,

I like your questions and your posts. Like Jim Mars said; "it is in the inner circle of the secret societies that the real secrecy is maintained". It's not the Freemasons, the trilateral comity, the council of foreign relations, the Jesuits, the Vatican, the 13th families, the Rosicrucian, etc... in their whole. There will always be an amount of positives "deeds" contributed by these groups at some levels that makes it impossible to target one as "precursor of the plan". The great majority of these groups has been built upon positive impulse. But, like many good movement in history, it often gets infiltrated deep at prestigious seats in the organization and that is where the positive fruits begin to turn rotten.

The real corrupter is not human, not a human being, not a group of human being alone, but rather a Spirit of domination present in the inner circles of these groups. A philosophy, a mentality, a perspective of corruption, domination and control over the mass perpetrating a consciousness of victim in humanity. The same spirit that comes to me and you and all of us in time of anger, despair, sorrow, inspiring revenge, hate, and desolation. There is a common group of an average of 300 people who are behind all these groups. They probably are the guardians of the real secrecy. Up at the front, the public faces are presented as leaders, but they aren't. There is a "plan", an agenda with "guidelines", but its not hold by a group in particular. It's rather conflict and tensions that reigns between these groups. But in the overall, if you look back at history, covering all cultures in general, you can trace a definite continuous manipulation and control behind the scenes. Today we talk about the council of foreign relation, the bilderberger, yesterday it was the Freemason, the knight Templar or the cult of the winged serpent and tomorrow it will be some other name, with different people, but the same old philosophy of controlling the masses will fight to stay in charge.

So, we are not facing an organized group of people criminal to life, but rather a spirit present in these powerful group that is not dying with the people or even with the groups, but is always present where power rise. That's the real enemy.

Namaste, Steven

[Dale]

Now it is time to think about ourselves and start to create our world.

Exactly right! In all actuality, it doesn't matter if a few bloodlines, a seven member committee, a secret society, a single architect, or even a planet full of reptile beings "call the shots" on this planet. I think, as a community, we agree that there is a secretive, and very cunning, force that exerts a great deal of control over nearly every society across the globe.

By looking at the largest possible picture, we begin to realize these games being played are merely experiences. It is up to us to provide the meaning and secure the outcome of these games. Will we learn from our prior "mistakes," or will we fall into the comfort of repeating old habits; only prolonging these games. To cut this short - consciousness is the real king.