So how much transformation is actually wanted, really?

[Paula]

John, I am honored! Thank you for including my vids.

Posted by ljwheat (here)
So how much transformation is actually wanted, really? === transformation in thought-- what is. the silent watcher allowing you transform or formulate thought can not be changed or wanted ------ really ! and that silence is always tapping you on the shoulders. "Knock, Knock" & "I AM". thanks for your video WhiteCrowBlackDeer. John

"Knock, Knock"

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0T4xttkhVw

"I AM"

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VrTyFgWAUM

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by modwiz (here)
The aggressiveness to be autonomous is often either not noted or misunderstood. The minimum is like a seedling breaking through the ground. In todays' mind-controlled, virus matrix it is more akin to a plant growing up through concrete. Multiply that by thousands and millions and the concrete/matrix will shatter. That kind of aggressiveness is hampered when a virus is whispering notions of heteronomy in ones' ear, creating illusions that stifle that urge. As well as patterns of behavior that are anything but autonomous. Transformation would not be called for if the need was not so extant. Heteronomy is the norm, with a few autonomous freaks thrown in, here and there. Changing that balance is called for to produce results other than the mind prisons humanity has lived in for thousands of years.

This is exactly, exactly the reason why I write what I write, keep refining what it is that I am communicating, keep breathing through the distress and mindf*uck that can come from skirting the heteronomy while carrying the sui generis. I want was is going to work. To me, there is no issue greater than facing the heteronomy in all its forms, no matter how subtle and seemingly innocuous and naming these things for what they really are. This to me is the beginning of bringing everything out into the light of day, and seeing what is really being done in the name of 'love' or any of the myriads of other contortions.

My passion has been not to talk about the prison, not to endlessly, recursively discuss how ugly the art on the walls is, or how the warden is a complete cockhat, or how the uniforms are uncomfortable and the food sucks: my passion, my purpose and intention in engagement, is to dissolve the prison entirely and expose it for what it is, a complete and utter fiction. I know how insidious the matrix is- I've been tracking it in my own DNA and energetic systems, this vast Monsanto coded claim on my Being- and I'm utterly clear that there's nothing more absorbing for me than to fully, completely stand in my Sui Generis, my autonomy and my absolute, because a society that is based on all Beings knowing who they are can never be controlled, dominated or subjected. There is no virus in such a society, and all the expressions of the virus have no fertile ground in which to endlessly sprout.

All gods shall dissolve not by resistance, but by starvation, because there will be none to give them the energy they need to keep existing.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
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Much of the debate- and occasionally, discussion- that goes on in this forum revolves around the idea of discarding the current paradigm by replacing it with a different paradigm, as suggested by better authorities and Purveyors of Reality, so that the *new* paradigm will have a more solid footing. Better Politicians.

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It seems to me that almost all the posts made in this forum fall into the category of encouraging nothing more than a different form of heteronomy: here is an authority! no, HERE is the authority, ...

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I'm aware of all of these arguments and I have never, ever found a single one that was not pimping, either overtly or covertly, the agenda of the heteronomy. Which, as the recent history of the majority species currently on this planet attests, creates nothing but closed systems that eventually collapse on themselves and simply arise again to recreate themselves in another, corruptive and polluted form. The desperate rhetoric of this time, this time ti will work, we'll have the *right* king, the *right* president, ...

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To me, this is where my personal evolution is heading. Does anyone else want to play in this realm?

For me, a good analogy of what we have actually tried so far is like taking a pool of prison guards and prison owners, and allowing the prisoners to elect which ones within this pool will create the rules and do the guarding. No wonder it always turns out badly - for the prisoners.

Heteronomy looks really bad when it is imposed by malevolent beings, rather that worked-out and accepted by the group. Like the old saying, "don't sh!t where you eat." - I see no problem with the majority accepting that as "law" and agreeing to follow the advice, as law, even though some individuals may wish to insist that they have every right, by virtue of their autonomy, to relieve themselves wherever and whenever they want.

I'm with you on the concept of full autonomy for individuals - up to and including suicide - in whatever only affects the individual, but not autonomy in society where the individual's actions (negatively) affect others.

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
Concerning autonomy verses heteronomy, all my life I have rebelled against belief-systems, accepted mass ritual behaviors, organized religious programming, and against all laws which come from a place of nanny-state-hood or attempts to regulate and control anyone's behavior when it is not affecting another being.
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I admit this is where I get stuck. I can visualize autonomy between a group of friends, maybe a family, maybe a commune. I get stuck when I get to the real-world examples of individual (greed-driven and/or control-driven) humans that will not play nice.

If the premise is, "Let's co-create a new planet, where no one owns anything (or everyone 'owns' everything) and everyone respects and agrees to do no harm to anyone or our new planet. Now, do we prefer autonomy or heteronomy?" then I can easily, joyously vote "Autonomy!"

But back here on Earth, everything is owned. Everything. Even the air! (think of the term 'airspace', laws permitting air pollution, etc.) Even the near-space around the planet is regulated (try shooting a rocket up and emplacing a satellite without the permission of one of the major governments.) Not only that, but ownership is accepted as a condition of life. The day I was born, instead of being born into a full co-ownership of the planet (where ownership becomes moot), every molecule on Earth was already claimed as someone's property - and many of them would defend that ownership with threat of injury, incarceration, or death.

Then we have the ecocidal sociopaths themselves that are in control. Give them autonomy? Well, they have a significant amount of autonomy, and we see what they do with it. As long as these people exist, I cannot see how - in reality, not just theoretically - we could live under full autonomy.

Jim's example of someone regulating whether or not I'm "allowed" to take a psychoactive drug truly exhibits the 'nanny-state' mentality. However, tell the CEO of Monsanto his actions are free from regulation, free from laws of any kind, and well, we already know what happens. (For those that would jump to the notion that each of us has autonomy to eat or not eat GMO, remember that in the current real-world, many cannot make that choice. If necessary, think of a different example of a polluter, like the Atomic Mafia, spewing radioactive particles that no one can choose to simply ignore.)

So for me, I really have spent little time trying to envision an autonomous world, and I'm trying to envision a vastly improved heteronomous society. Remove ALL of the nanny laws, allow as much autonomy as possible, yet protect all of us from some of us. The Reset Button is far from being an idealistic dream-world, and is (in my estimation) the path required to take a major leap away from the malevolent controllers. Once achieved, and lived, I visualize a vast improvement in all of our lives, much more freedom and autonomy, and after (at least) a generation would go through a (voluntary) education that deliberately was focused on providing the tools for creativity, free-thinking, and problem solving, the next phase of society would be even better (and allow even more autonomy.) Even then, my puny little 2012 brain simply cannot imagine a world where full autonomy and anarchy were granted to all, with no restriction or consequence for the malevolent, greedy, and controlling.

Dennis

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
Programming,--- its all programming that’s programmed that will bring up questions---- instead of existence--- is just existence arising as it rises. Endless possibilities-- with out end ---for all of eternity. Limited focus is the beast that asks a question? All knowing is silence. Lack in one tinny thing in any area of all that is will raise the beast or questioning. Silence brings the end to all creation. Bliss-- totaly being complete in ALL that is.
Feeling with out lable's and words. Webb of words will always keep one in prison of its definitions of endless possiblity's in conceptuality. its a sticky webb, the spider is a noisy beast. and the beast is not you, its what your looking at. [B]your the silence thats watching it.

Ok, I watched 1:36 of the first one before becoming rigid with the heteronomy signal, the second was an expression of WCBD's sui generis art, the third was laugh out loud funny and I'll watch it again, and the fourth I got through 1:22 because I thought I would give it a go and see if it was going to be as annoying as I thought it was going to be. It was- a case of "I haven't yet died, so I have no authority on which to speak about that, so I'm going to make some up and pimp the heteronomy a bit more while sounding good'.

As for the 'All knowing is silence' , you and I have engaged on that one before and you didn't really appreciate my response. I appreciate that you think that *and* you are here expressing this as an absolute, as a heteronomy, a 'this IS how it is': what I respectfully point out is, this is how it is FOR YOU. That's all. It's certainly not how it is FOR ME. I have made it clear in other places, this perspective is not one I engage in or even faintly resonate with. Speaking in sui generis language, prefacing this post with 'this is my personal experience' does worlds towards taking out the tone and authority that can be experienced as preachy.

Personally, I'm not interested in some guy telling me what happens at death: I have personally died twice as a child and it did nothing but leave me with permanent PTSD that I am now having to dissolve on a molecular level. That's MY experience, I'm not assuming that it's going to be anyone else's. Part of the sui generis and autonomy is that NO ONE assumes that their experience is the one that *everyone else* is going to be having, or should be having, or needs to be having in order to be on the 'right path' or having the 'proper understanding' of anything at all.

There is a lot of this 'silence is the desired place to be' on this forum, particularly in the spirituality thread. I'm not discussing spirituality here, although sui generis and autonomy certainly does factor in to spirituality- there are no gods, no 'right' paths, no 'correct forms', there's just exploration of the individual's path as they are called to. If I was interested in silence, I wouldn't bother writing, or communicating on this forum, or engaging in any other kind of connection that involved the sharing of perspectives. I express that in part, my purpose and intention at this point in time is engagement, the exploration of co-creation, of the experience of connecting with other Beings, holding up my hologram with 'this is what it looks like from where I am, would you like to share what it looks like from where you are and enrich my own perspective?'. That's what *I* am personally into. To each their own.

As a Sui Generis, there is a language that I am crafting so that I can communicate with others in such a way as to avoid the perception that I'm shoving my way of Being down their throat. It's an important crafting, because it allows the freedom of all Beings to simply Be whatever they are choosing in that moment without judgement, censure, being preached to or any of the other myriads of subtle ways the heteronomy seeks to keep its stranglehold on the world. I ask that you please preface your comments with 'this is my personal view' with the understanding that it is absolutely nothing more than that. It will be of great help to holding the signal and space for the autonomy.

[RUSirius]

Thank you Songs, you have addressed my biggest challenge as well, all I can say is this, I feel somewhat clueless, its almost like not knowing what is real any more, not knowing what to believe, only knowing that so much of what we believe has been "taught" through programming, that I have lost "faith" in my self to some degree. All I want is truth, all I want is what works, I know we can/have to figure it out.

Songs, I'm not at all surprised this thread stemmed from you, thanks again for all you contribute.

[mountain_jim]

How much transformation is actually wanted.

[onawah]

From all the signs, this thread is well on it's way already!!
This may be the Avalon Renaissance I've been waiting for.

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
I'm glad some fresh turf has been established here for the ongoing discussion of sui generis, which, though central to the Pub thread as well, is a subject worthy of plenty of exploration.

*grins at you* mmm, let's see how it goes, first...

[Carmen]

Beware the 'rescuers'! Those who think 'they' know best what is the 'right' way, what is light and what is dark!! It's just another form of control. These 'so called experts' are great at censorship and seek to curtail others exploration. I please myself thank you, I am my own authority!. Freedom to be or not to be, freedom to make my mistakes and learn from them,priceless!

I am the God of my own Righteous Kingdom! So be It!!

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
How much transformation is actually wanted.

*grins at you* I don't eat burgers.

*waves at you from ahead along the left fork *

I have a superfood chia smoothie and a kickarse salad here at my picnic, if you want some.

The conversation isn't too shabby either.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Dennis- this is where in the Pub I have written the sui generis and *do no harm*- I hadn't gotten into that here yet, and thank you for reminding me of that. Clearly this is the aspect that needs to be discussed when I've had some sleep.

*hugs*

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
...

Much of the debate- and occasionally, discussion- that goes on in this forum revolves around the idea of discarding the current paradigm by replacing it with a different paradigm, as suggested by better authorities and Purveyors of Reality, so that the *new* paradigm will have a more solid footing. Better Politicians.

...

It seems to me that almost all the posts made in this forum fall into the category of encouraging nothing more than a different form of heteronomy: here is an authority! no, HERE is the authority, ...

...

I'm aware of all of these arguments and I have never, ever found a single one that was not pimping, either overtly or covertly, the agenda of the heteronomy. Which, as the recent history of the majority species currently on this planet attests, creates nothing but closed systems that eventually collapse on themselves and simply arise again to recreate themselves in another, corruptive and polluted form. The desperate rhetoric of this time, this time ti will work, we'll have the *right* king, the *right* president, ...

...

To me, this is where my personal evolution is heading. Does anyone else want to play in this realm?

For me, a good analogy of what we have actually tried so far is like taking a pool of prison guards and prison owners, and allowing the prisoners to elect which ones within this pool will create the rules and do the guarding. No wonder it always turns out badly - for the prisoners.

Heteronomy looks really bad when it is imposed by malevolent beings, rather that worked-out and accepted by the group. Like the old saying, "don't sh!t where you eat." - I see no problem with the majority accepting that as "law" and agreeing to follow the advice, as law, even though some individuals may wish to insist that they have every right, by virtue of their autonomy, to relieve themselves wherever and whenever they want.

I'm with you on the concept of full autonomy for individuals - up to and including suicide - in whatever only affects the individual, but not autonomy in society where the individual's actions (negatively) affect others.

[gripreaper]

Posted by RUSirius (here)
All I want is truth, all I want is what works, I know we can/have to figure it out.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI

[ljwheat]

).I speak about a concept called Sui Generis: I get that.

2 ). Heteronomy is another concept: I get that.

Concepts have dissectible words. That can fit nicely into little box’s all in a row.

You keep putting Silence in human wikipedia box were there is nothing. The place or thing or area I’ve tried to point at with words, (thats all I have to work with) this silent watcher, has no word box you can neatly stuff it in to. And putting what I’ve been pointing at stuffing it into a neat little box you’ve missed what I see.

The silent watcher is silent, as it has nothing you can add, no original thought in a brainy ack attack box-- its, all of creation-creation that includes all the little box’s you can throw at it, there already there. that’s why its silent it has no questions---- its complete.

Hell I can’t explain it, I can only point at the depth and wonder--- that space that contains everything. Yet you seem to think it can be capitalized and explained away with your words. Words have now substance that can touch what I see as the life force in all things-- seen and unseen-- words will not take you there its just to big to rap a human or non human mind around.

That presence or space is the black board for all our little speaking of words and all our combined concepts. When in Rome -- the playing field I see and have referred to is not-- nothing with nothing in the nothing box--- you’ve so happily tried to place it in. since you cant see what I’m pointing at, there’s nothing for you to lock away in a little box, what I see can't be explained away when no one is capable of explaining it in the first place.

You can only point.-- It just will not fit in a box.-- its beyond my touch,-- and beyond your words. -- its what give's you awareness and space for your words and is nuetral--- it dose not encompass ---it is for me. Omnipresent in a rock, tree, bee, deer, human, Et, awareness, no awareness, matter, non matter, the size of a quork, the size of known space is to small to hold it, so how to point at the all that is.

The wisdom that is all wisdom and there fore needs no definition or me explaining it.

Even the movie “Contact” they in Hollywood tried to use words and visual aid to point a Conceptual finger at what I see, and try so hard to speak at or point to.

There is nothing in this universe that I can hold up for you to see. For I can only see it. And I am at piece with my speechlessness. and I will still point at what few see and the rest throw 3D words at. big sigh--

John

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhSYbRiYwTY

Floating in my human tin can in a very peculiar way. Words wont help me now, drifting into space all controls are out control to maj tom ---- help ! LOL its all vanity.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
How much transformation is actually wanted.

*grins at you* I don't eat burgers.

*waves at you from ahead along the left fork *

I have a superfood chia smoothie and a kickarse salad here at my picnic, if you want some.

The conversation isn't too shabby either.

Waving back, also from the left fork.

The last (meat) burger I had was in 1976, from a McDonalds on I-75 in Georgia, after going vegi for about 6 months. I had my first bite in my mouth, near to swallowing, when I realized that was not what I wanted at all. At all.

Spit out that mouthfull, threw the rest away, and headed on down the highway. No beef, pork, or chicken since.

Currently feasting on fat blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, fancy greens and spinach, all picked today from our little garden.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
For me, a good analogy of what we have actually tried so far is like taking a pool of prison guards and prison owners, and allowing the prisoners to elect which ones within this pool will create the rules and do the guarding. No wonder it always turns out badly - for the prisoners.

Heteronomy looks really bad when it is imposed by malevolent beings, rather that worked-out and accepted by the group. Like the old saying, "don't sh!t where you eat." - I see no problem with the majority accepting that as "law" and agreeing to follow the advice, as law, even though some individuals may wish to insist that they have every right, by virtue of their autonomy, to relieve themselves wherever and whenever they want.

I'm with you on the concept of full autonomy for individuals - up to and including suicide - in whatever only affects the individual, but not autonomy in society where the individual's actions (negatively) affect others.

Here is where the previous writings on sui generis that I've done kick in. Sui generis autonomy is the recognition that just as one is one's own jurisdiction and authority, so are *all* their own authority *which means 'do no harm' is also part of the mix*. There can be no true autonomy without the deep recognition of the right of the Other to determine their own path and live into their own authority also- without this, autonomy simply because dictatorial dominance no matter where in the picture it is placed. Any time any group by whatever means acts as the authority for another Being that has a degree of competence, this is heteronomy and it carries the seeds of the virus, *always*. There is no way to create a virus free world on one side of the equation while holding heteronomy in the other. Heteronomy is dictatorship and the removal of another's free will in some way or another. Always. It is an incursion into another's sui generis, which is why the principle of 'do no harm' is embedded into true autonomy- we cannot invade the space of another in such a way that invades their integrity.

Integrity here is an important element. There are many that run rampant virus in the guise of 'integrity' and their 'rights'; it's up to us as individuals to discern the difference between autonomy and the perversions of it. If an individual is claiming that their autonomy allows them to invade, harm, interfere with or overpower another individual in any way, they're actually running heteronomy and domination. They have no integrity. I respond differently to these individuals.

In equity, there is a maxim: 'he who wishes equity must do equity'. This is a fundamental principle of autonomy: 'he who wishes autonomy must extend autonomy'. Part of the mark of heteronomy is the claiming of rights that are not extended to others in anything but lipservice. There are many subtle and toxic claims that invade and suck on the energy and sui generis of others with one hand while making grand gestures with the other. This is the way of all those who wreak harm on others. It doesn't matter that they *believe* their rhetoric or perspective, it doesn't matter how *sincere* they are: if any individual is attempting to invade the autonomy of another, they are actually agents for the virus. And the virus is a death signal.

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
Concerning autonomy verses heteronomy, all my life I have rebelled against belief-systems, accepted mass ritual behaviors, organized religious programming, and against all laws which come from a place of nanny-state-hood or attempts to regulate and control anyone's behavior when it is not affecting another being. ...

I admit this is where I get stuck. I can visualize autonomy between a group of friends, maybe a family, maybe a commune. I get stuck when I get to the real-world examples of individual (greed-driven and/or control-driven) humans that will not play nice.

But in this, we're not talking about autonomy, are we: we're talking about a bunch of individuals who want to exercise their own brand of heteronomy on others. It isn't autonomy. Sui generis doesn't turn the other cheek- that's heteronomous distortion crap disguised as spirituality, designed to keep the heteronomy firmly in place without challenge- sui generis does not tolerate the abusers, the dictators and the manipulators. It calls these what they are, it sees things clearly and it moves in aikiddo with it.

If the premise is, "Let's co-create a new planet, where no one owns anything (or everyone 'owns' everything) and everyone respects and agrees to do no harm to anyone or our new planet. Now, do we prefer autonomy or heteronomy?" then I can easily, joyously vote "Autonomy!"

But back here on Earth, everything is owned. Everything. Even the air! (think of the term 'airspace', laws permitting air pollution, etc.) Even the near-space around the planet is regulated (try shooting a rocket up and emplacing a satellite without the permission of one of the major governments.) Not only that, but ownership is accepted as a condition of life. The day I was born, instead of being born into a full co-ownership of the planet (where ownership becomes moot), every molecule on Earth was already claimed as someone's property - and many of them would defend that ownership with threat of injury, incarceration, or death.

Dennis, we have the *claim* of ownership. This claim *first* needs to be dissolved *within us*, because there's no action we can take that will carry the power and resonance necessary if I haven't dealt with the internal belief and Monsanto coding that says I *can* be owned by another's will and dictatorship. This is what the heteronomy banks on, in part- we'll get caught up in the enormity of it all and be disempowered yet again. Did you ever see the movie A Bug's Life? The undoing of the grasshoppers is when the ants finally, truly find their power and then realise that, numbers wise, they vastly outweigh the small force of their opposers.

The heteronomy exists to demonstrate to the individual all the cracks and nooks where the autonomy fails to fill. There can be no real emptiness inside a Being- the physical universe doesn't roll that way, space isn't 'empty' and neither is the individual, so if the space is not filled with true autonomy then it's going to be filled by *something* and that's where heteronomy jumps up on to the podium with upraised hand and says 'hey, that's mine! I'm happy to take that!'. It's an individual's path, multiplied out into the billions- that's how it has been taken on, one mind and Being at a time, and it can be undone the same way. It's like this: remember Neo infecting Agent Smith and dissolving his avatar from within, not through war or fighting, but simply by being his true Self?

I have that knowing in me, Dennis. What I know is, the attempts of group heteronomy failed in the sixties experiments of communal living and new ways of relating, as it has consistently failed in any other attempt. These always devolve into heteronomy of one kind or another, and then they tear themselves apart. Because of my early life and exposure to many cultures and perspectives, I have come to see the underlying heteronomy in *every system on the planet*; I spent time in the punk culture and that was when I saw the glimmer of a way out of the virus because the anarchy, as clumsily expressed as it was, was an attempt to turn towards the autonomy. I watched the virus infiltrate the punk culture, as it does with all subcultures: it's self learning, so it might flail at times while it attempts to catch up with the latest expression of the Essence, the evolution Consciousness, but it eventually is able to insert the heteronomy into any expression and suck it back down into the morass. There is no answer to this constant construement and absorption, the constant drive towards homogeny and neutralising the power contained in the I Am, unless that answer is the individual becoming utterly and completely immune to infection. The virus response to the increasing presence of the Immunes is to drug them into submission, call their immunity a condition that needs remedy, a problem that needs addressing- but the signal of Immunity is on the planet and each individual can tap into it if they want to.

I am not here to save the world. That's more heteronomy crap, because it demands we look *outside Self* for answers, inspiration, guidance, direction, again; that's the trap. The 'new spiritualists' who are simply more servants of new twists on the same old story speak of 'worldwide' evolution, grand visions of a planetary level up that brings all along with it- but this is crap. Externalising what I need *as a sui generis, utterly unique and autonomous Being* is nothing more than me falling for the same tricks and lies that the heteronomy has relied on for millenia. It's a submission to virus.

I don't need mass conversion in order for me to hold my sui generis within me. I am aware that the Monsanto codes are still in operation within my biology; it's how I know that this bespelling runs ridiculously deep in me and that there is nothing greater for my evolution than to deal with this within me, because I cannot be a signal for autonomy while ignoring that some part of me agrees to be a slave. I am embracing and dissolving those codes in every moment by constantly turning towards my original blueprint, my autonomy, living into a language and way of Being that hasn't been on this planet for millenia, so I'm not as graceful with it as Paula is with her tai chi-

and I will be. I already am far more graceful and powerful than I was a year ago, six months ago, six weeks ago- I have been evolving the signal in every post I've written on it, embodying it deeper. I cannot do that for any other individual: I know the heteronomy says It Rules and it demonstrates this force on a daily basis, yet this I know: the virus in its controller form flees from me. The virus in its mirror form keeps revealing itself more and more, encouraging me to keep going and to embrace my autonomy in ever deepening ways. I am leaving fear behind because fear is what it feeds on. I don't have any answers to the masses, I just have the contrast between the fruits of the heteronomy and the fruits of sui generis. In my deepest place of Being, I know that my ability to embrace and wield my autonomy in a truly sui generis way is the key to unlocking the dormant Otherkind codes within me. I'm experiencing this in my physical world. I'm rebuilding my body from physical injury that includes *fused bones*. The sui generis is what I've got to offer. I know their law system recognises and is utterly undone by it. Their fictions cannot handle it in any way, but one can't deal with the minions, on any level, and that includes the 'expert' anythings.

So for me, I really have spent little time trying to envision an autonomous world, and I'm trying to envision a vastly improved heteronomous society. Remove ALL of the nanny laws, allow as much autonomy as possible, yet protect all of us from some of us. The Reset Button is far from being an idealistic dream-world, and is (in my estimation) the path required to take a major leap away from the malevolent controllers. Once achieved, and lived, I visualize a vast improvement in all of our lives, much more freedom and autonomy, and after (at least) a generation would go through a (voluntary) education that deliberately was focused on providing the tools for creativity, free-thinking, and problem solving, the next phase of society would be even better (and allow even more autonomy.) Even then, my puny little 2012 brain simply cannot imagine a world where full autonomy and anarchy were granted to all, with no restriction or consequence for the malevolent, greedy, and controlling.

Dennis

So stop looking at the outside forces, who will always tell you the heteronomy story of 'you are powerless'. Like everything else it pimps, this too is a lie, but until you *know* this, balls to bone, you aren't the One yet.

And that is precisely what autonomy, sui generis and absolute are all about.

[Carmen]

This is an excellent thread! Its really causing me to ponder and reason and think and wrestle with all that pondering and thinking!!

After agreeing and disagreeing with what is written (I agree with protecting the innocent, but where does that cross over into control, like 'I'm doing this for your own good!!) Take parents who are big time drug users and their kids have no loving, secure environment to grow in. At what point do those children get taken off them for the kids sake? Or, did those kids incarnate into a druggy environment because they had been drug users in another life and needed to experience how it was for their kids then!! This is just one line of my thinking,thinking!

Then, I switched off the thinking, reasoning,and this is what came to me!

Sui Generis is alive and well in this realm. It's called free will. And we have it all to do with what we will, over eons of 'time' and incarnations. What we do not learn, or refuse to learn in one incarnation, we come back 'as' in the next. We are the embodiment of what we are to learn! No punishment, just learning. as an example I know that I had many incarnations 'as' a very devout person, very judgemental of sexual and moral promiscuity! I came back to this incarnation as a very sexual person with a passion to explore my own repressed sexuality! I did just that and learned the lessons well and truly. In learning this lesson it also revealed another life of sexual abuse and usery that had brought on the repression of sexual expression. All the players from that abusive life are back to complete the learning, as it is/was'time'.

So, from here to eternity, we have free will/Sui generis/autonomy, to do what ever we wish. And it's on our terms, whether we be victim, tyrant, anything in between, but when we understand it, (the game) we transcend it and get to hang out with dudes of a completely different nature. Birds of a feather do really flock together! It's not easy though, transcending this 3d realm, it's not meant to be easy. The kingdom of heaven is well guarded from the ignorant. It is in consciousness!

Well, Songs, in my experience, it is!

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
From all the signs, this thread is well on it's way already!!
This may be the Avalon Renaissance I've been waiting for.

onawah, YOU are the Renaissance you've been waiting for. I am mine. *That's* how sui generis actually works. Autonomy and sui generis tells me, in every moment, that I Am what I need. I will say this every time- there is nothing outside that can give an answer greater than the evolution and essence signal within. I'm just holding that signal.

We are not Fallen from anything, including 'grace', because there was never anywhere to fall. In my 'Verse and sui generis expression, 'Virtue' and 'grace' and all the rest of the heteronomy disguised as spiritual wisdom are nothing more than concepts created to instill the illusion that there is a greater authority *outside our Self* that we 'need' to be listening to in order to find the right path. Strangling down the infinite possibility and evolution into a closed system, over and over again. There is *nothing* that the heteronomy can show me that is true * of me* except to serve as a mirror to alert me to my own infection.

I Am that which I look for. That's what it's always been about.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Sui Generis is alive and well in this realm. It's called free will. And we have it all to do with what we will, over eons of 'time' and incarnations. What we do not learn, or refuse to learn in one incarnation, we come back 'as' in the next. We are the embodiment of what we are to learn! No punishment, just learning. as an example I know that I had many incarnations 'as' a very devout person, very judgemental of sexual and moral promiscuity! I came back to this incarnation as a very sexual person with a passion to explore my own repressed sexuality! I did just that and learned the lessons well and truly. In learning this lesson it also revealed another life of sexual abuse and usery that had brought on the repression of sexual expression. All the players from that abusive life are back to complete the learning, as it is/was'time'.

So, from here to eternity, we have free will/Sui generis/autonomy, to do what ever we wish. And it's on our terms, whether we be victim, tyrant, anything in between, but when we understand it, (the game) we transcend it and get to hang out with dudes of a completely different nature. Birds of a feather do really flock together! It's not easy though, transcending this 3d realm, it's not meant to be easy. The kingdom of heaven is well guarded from the ignorant. It is in consciousness! Well, Songs, in my experience, it is!

Yes, yes- this is what I have been writing about in other places, pointing out that the controllers really do obey the law of free will, it is just that individuals choose to do some pretty craptastic things with their power, including constantly giving it away for beads and trinkets.



I know consciousness, I don't know heaven, and I think I get what you're saying when you say 'kingdom of heaven': it's always been within. That sui generis, autonomous perspective transcends the heteronomous religions and death culture. Virus free.

There is a world of difference between *thinking* you are the One-





and knowing it.

Constant embodiment eventually becomes the unconscious competence, that which we do with the ease of Being. That's what I'm embracing, every day.

[Dorjezigzag]

Great thread songsfortheotherkind, helps me understand your perspective.
Many of the worlds mythologies can be seen to represent a clash between heteronomy and autonomy.

This is very much the theme of Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, The work of Joseph Campbell and even Star Wars

We often loose autonomy through feelings of guilt
It is interesting that one of the definitions of innocence is to be free from guilt.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
We often loose autonomy through feelings of guilt
It is interesting that one of the definitions of innocence is to be free from guilt.

Absolutely. Guilt is one of the most powerful control tools of the external authority- who is it that sets the parameters of what an individual is 'supposed' to feel guilty about? Guilt trips are a dead set giveaway for the manipulation and control tactics of any Being or group trying to absorb the autonomy, regardless of the rationalisations that might go along with the guilt tripping. I have observed some of the most hideous guilt trips have been created and are done in the name of 'love': it made me wonder what 'love' actually is beneath the noise, the exploration of which constantly leads me to interesting places.

[ljwheat]

Here is a good example of what i try to point at. John

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSxIfwPU8U