Accidental kill averages, doctors versus guns

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

dying from unnecesary prescribed medication/surgery must run upto many tens of thousends per year alone in the US.

Over 200,000 I believe. In the US alone. (main killer: prescription drugs) -- I'm sure half of that could be considered "unneeded" - when there are usually safer and often very effective alternatives.

Wow one fifth of a million people, where did you find the numbers?
Can you stick them in your next reply?

Thanx

Ed

[alamojo]

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

dying from unnecesary prescribed medication/surgery must run upto many tens of thousends per year alone in the US.

Over 200,000 I believe. In the US alone. (main killer: prescription drugs) -- I'm sure half of that could be considered "unneeded" - when there are usually safer and often very effective alternatives.

Wow one fifth of a million people, where did you find the numbers?
Can you stick them in your next reply?

Thanx

Ed

The "Death by Medicine" paper has a number closer to 100K, and I believe it has references. I think it's safe to say that numbers like this will be seriously under-reported by the industry.

http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

dying from unnecesary prescribed medication/surgery must run upto many tens of thousends per year alone in the US.

Over 200,000 I believe. In the US alone. (main killer: prescription drugs) -- I'm sure half of that could be considered "unneeded" - when there are usually safer and often very effective alternatives.

Wow one fifth of a million people, where did you find the numbers?
Can you stick them in your next reply?

Thanx

Ed

I have seen that stat in several sources - ranges from 200,000 to 270,000 usually.

I found this one with 7 seconds of google searching. Their number is 195,000 and these only represent "in hospital" preventable deaths: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

[mountain_jim]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

This made me cringe ... I'm so sorry to hear this considering there is an effective natural treatment.

It is called Phyllantus Niruri (PN) extract or sometimes referred to as Chance Piedra. It is very effective at breaking down kidney and gall bladder stones.

link: http://aor.ca/html/products.php?id=41 Excerpt below from the "Research" tab.

Thanks much for this info. I have forwarded to my work partner/provider.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by alamojo (here)

Posted by 665 plumber of the beast (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

dying from unnecesary prescribed medication/surgery must run upto many tens of thousends per year alone in the US.

Over 200,000 I believe. In the US alone. (main killer: prescription drugs) -- I'm sure half of that could be considered "unneeded" - when there are usually safer and often very effective alternatives.

Wow one fifth of a million people, where did you find the numbers?
Can you stick them in your next reply?

Thanx

Ed

The "Death by Medicine" paper has a number closer to 100K, and I believe it has references. I think it's safe to say that numbers like this will be seriously under-reported by the industry.

http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

In this PDF you posted, if you add up "Adverse drug reactions","Medical error" and "unecessary procedures" -- you get about 225,000 annually. I believe all medical and healthcare related preventable deaths is about 270,000 / yr average in the USA alone.

The next time an MD tells you not to use natural health products because they are unsafe, burst out laughing in a condescending way, and tell him to check some stats and try again. His reputation might just depend on it

[Tangri]

What a wast full of post. Maybe fundamental of the Idea comes from a good standing but as a title it is not fair.

Do you know how many doctors go undeveloped countries to help and improve their people's daily life? Those people can not effort Even 10 cents disinfectant or clean water

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
What a wast full of post. Maybe fundamental of the Idea comes from a good standing but as a title it is not fair.

Do you know how many doctors go undeveloped countries to help and improve their people's daily life? Those people can not effort Even 10 cents disinfectant or clean water

The title may be a little unfair in some eyes, but one quickly realizes that we are not talking about the Drs helping sick people in 3rd world countries, but rather the "regulated" healthcare and medical systems of the USA, and the sheer vastness of preventable loss of life due to this "superior" system.

I'd take a doctor in a thrid world country any day - those people are helping others because they care. In "advanced" western societies they just want to rape you of your money, and really don't care if you live (overall perspective of the system - not individuals - some of these Dr's care, but have to operate within a system that does not - the system exists to make some people lots of money). Its a sad truth, but truth it is and the numbers show it.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
What a wast full of post. Maybe fundamental of the Idea comes from a good standing but as a title it is not fair.

Do you know how many doctors go undeveloped countries to help and improve their people's daily life? Those people can not effort Even 10 cents disinfectant or clean water

In the context of your post you are right, the title does not do the GOOD guys justice, this is MY bad.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
What a wast full of post. Maybe fundamental of the Idea comes from a good standing but as a title it is not fair.

Do you know how many doctors go undeveloped countries to help and improve their people's daily life? Those people can not effort Even 10 cents disinfectant or clean water

The title may be a little unfair in some eyes, but one quickly realizes that we are not talking about the Drs helping sick people in 3rd world countries, but rather the "regulated" healthcare and medical systems of the USA, and the sheer vastness of preventable loss of life due to this "superior" system.

I'd take a doctor in a thrid world country any day - those people are helping others because they care. In "advanced" western societies they just want to rape you of your money, and really don't care if you live (overall perspective of the system - not individuals - some of these Dr's care, but have to operate within a system that does not - the system exists to make some people lots of money). Its a sad truth, but truth it is and the numbers show it.

You are both right, imo, the intention of the OP was presenting some stats, not accounted for in the OP stat are the good guys, there probably are some good guys in there anyway who just made bad choices in a time of urgency, in the case of doctors these decisions will always have worse consequences than when the postman makes a booboo, unfortunatly.

As far as the medical profession is concerned, MOST of them are just like us, good people having no clue who is pulling the strings and still trying to make a difference, rotten apples are everywhere too.

[sdv]

Statistics can be very misleading. How many murders by shootingin the US per annum, and how many suicides by shooting per annum? Once you include these statistics in the scenario, then guns do not look so safe!

Nonetheless, medical treatment is more risky than I had perceived it to be, and surely that is a signal that we should investigate?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by sdv (here)
Statistics can be very misleading ...

A good example of this is if anyone recalls the "Vit E shortens lifespan and causes risk of heart failure!" headlines that circled the world several times over about 7 years ago or so. By statistics, some "regulating bodies" concluded that supplementation with Vit E shortens your life. What really happened was that out 0f thousands of studies available, about 39 were chosen to use for this one. Al the patients in these studies already had disease (but this was not mentioned in the report), and all the supplementation was done using one a single molecule (a tocotrienol), while Vit E is an eight molecule complex of tocopherals and tocotrienols. Suplementing only type one can lead to deficiency in the other - this is known, but studies only using the one form were used. Some of the reports included considered "All death mortality" - which means if the patient was murdered - the death would be attributed to Vit E. Basically, even though if you reviewed these studies properly, one would find a clear relation between health extended, life, with vit E, someone was able to twist the studies and stats by "choosing their truths carefully" to demonize the non-patentable Vitamin E. Why was this done? It's the damn system again that needs a few people to make billions and they will stop at nearly nothing.

Posted by sdv (here)
Nonetheless, medical treatment is more risky than I had perceived it to be, and surely that is a signal that we should investigate?

Exactly what I want people to do. 1/4 million preventable healthcare related deaths per year in the worlds richest and most advanced country? A truly shocking statistic even if looking at this with a glass half full. Another way to look at this ... are Americans really this sick? Why? If nothing else this should make people think, and consider weaning their reliance on the "drug dealers and snake oil salesman" of today, and go a more natural and truly healthy way of life, by taking care of oneself.

A quote I read recently:

The Dalai Lama, when asked about what surprised him most about humanity, answered "Man. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices his money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the Present or future; he lives as though he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.

[Ki's]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
Statistics can be very misleading ...

A good example of this is if anyone recalls the "Vit E shortens lifespan and causes risk of heart failure!" headlines that circled the world several times over about 7 years ago or so. By statistics, some "regulating bodies" concluded that supplementation with Vit E shortens your life. What really happened was that out 0f thousands of studies available, about 39 were chosen to use for this one. Al the patients in these studies already had disease (but this was not mentioned in the report), and all the supplementation was done using one a single molecule (a tocotrienol), while Vit E is an eight molecule complex of tocopherals and tocotrienols. Suplementing only type one can lead to deficiency in the other - this is known, but studies only using the one form were used. Some of the reports included considered "All death mortality" - which means if the patient was murdered - the death would be attributed to Vit E. Basically, even though if you reviewed these studies properly, one would find a clear relation between health extended, life, with vit E, someone was able to twist the studies and stats by "choosing their truths carefully" to demonize the non-patentable Vitamin E. Why was this done? It's the damn system again that needs a few people to make billions and they will stop at nearly nothing.

Posted by sdv (here)
Nonetheless, medical treatment is more risky than I had perceived it to be, and surely that is a signal that we should investigate?

Exactly what I want people to do. 1/4 million preventable healthcare related deaths per year in the worlds richest and most advanced country? A truly shocking statistic even if looking at this with a glass half full. Another way to look at this ... are Americans really this sick? Why? If nothing else this should make people think, and consider weaning their reliance on the "drug dealers and snake oil salesman" of today, and go a more natural and truly healthy way of life, by taking care of oneself.

A quote I read recently:

The Dalai Lama, when asked about what surprised him most about humanity, answered "Man. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices his money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the Present or future; he lives as though he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.

These studies are often a good example of "follow the money". Almost always, when you find a study claiming supplements or natural health doesn't work...the research is funded by a drug company.

[Lost Soul]

Iatrogenic is the term that applies here. I witnessed one once but the Xode Blue Team jump started the bugger. However, he was NBA (no brain activity)/flatliner afterward.