Possible reason why so many people believe in lies.

[humanalien]

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (King James Version)

9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them
that perish, because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.

11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that
they should believe a lie:

12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[Unified Serenity]

We are warned that the delusion will be so grand that even the very elect would be deceived if the days were not cut short from 7 years of tribulation to five and a half months. The greatest lie is the one that sounds so true. When I get near that kind of deception I have both a physical and spiritual reaction. How people can believe someone who speaks of great spiritual truths they learned from guides while in an extreme experience such as kundalini waking during a dark night of the soul brought on by personal soul wrenching loss is beyond me.

I listened to someone tonight who has the most beautiful spirit, sweetest voice, and very sincere heart and I felt as if my insides were being clawed out. Of course they believe what they are saying. They experienced something incredible, and believe the "guides" were speaking to them of great truths because they saw and felt it and it makes so much sense, but it's truly amazing to me that after listening for an hour or there about, the lie is slipped out there meant to target those who believe in Christ. Yes, by all means this NWO this beast system the ptb have been orchestrating for thousands of years is riding on the fact that people must turn away from what they once believed and embrace a different truth though using similar words. When they said that we are Christo forms meaning God connection in unity and oneness but that there is no crucified Christ and that is a lie meant to enslave mankind, I knew and felt the wounds spiritually so deeply that many are suffering who embrace this new religion of the God man / woman.

We are all one, and we are all divine created beings, but we are not God/dess, and we cannot throw away one of the greatest gifts ever given to us in the life of Messiah. You see, there is a great difference in reading about someone and believing in someone verses knowing them and meeting them. They will know you love me and follow me by the love you show one to another. What does it mean that you love your friends, even the evil ones do that. Nay, love your enemies and by this all men shall know you are my followers.... by the love you show one to another. Destroy that love, destroy that brotherhood, and you destroy the very foundation of spiritual truth. The truly sad thing is most will never see it. They will never realize it. They will sing and praise God crying Peace and there is no peace. In one final moment a truth so great will be revealed and they will weep and gnash their teeth, and wrend their garments for they will realize their folly. They will run to the one they love and believe they have served and say, we preached in your name, we cast out demons and healed in your name, and he will turn away from them and say, "Get away from me, I NEVER KNEW YOU." How can you know someone whom you deny their very existence of? My god, have you ever been in so much pain that your wept and gnashed your teeth? Have you ever been in that gut wrenching reality? I have and I never want to go there again. I felt it tonight in the sweet tone and words that were shared, but it was all a lie, and so many, dear God/dess so many are going to love this lie, it makes me sick.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlWSQWnaz58

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHRboy_OAis

[Maia Gabrial]

Look at how every aspect of our lives has been affected by TPTW. They've tried to kill our hopes dreams, and chances to live life. So, when they offer us "a better way" or a way out, we'll accept it faster than starving infants for their mother's milk.

[RUSirius]

I think we are at a point in time of serious mis-information, my simple mind says to me, if there werent something potentially good in all the awfulness/craziness there probably would not be a need to lie, deceive, misinform what ever you want to label it. In addition, it seems as if there is definitely a false hope campaign, not to say that good thing cant/wont happen, I think they will, but still a lot of false hope manufacturing.

[markpierre]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Look at how every aspect of our lives has been affected by TPTW. They've tried to kill our hopes dreams, and chances to live life. So, when they offer us "a better way" or a way out, we'll accept it faster than starving infants for their mother's milk.

For sure. And look at how every aspect of our lives include our own subtle exaggerations and manipulations and self delusion.
And accusations and excuses and blame,
just to have things our way with EVERYONE.
Or to justify ourselves as entitled to more than whoever has less,
including hopes and dreams.
Oh, and denial....that's a good one.
I think we bought into the paradigm of deception pretty fully.
I'd take that issue very personally.

[lyubomir]

Hello Everyone,

It looks like Freedom is best tool of people. But... if you think that you are free and in the meantime you with both legs in the matrix so everything works fine for someone.

Best Regards,

Lyubomir

[the_vast_mystery]

As long as your survival (not just physical, but the ability to access any and all of the things on Maslow's hierarchy of needs) depends on believing lies, people will believe in lies. People want to be happy and unfortunately that plus a short-sighted and emotional nature can easily lead anyone to swallowing up any lie that will justify their existence/behavior.

There's no use in telling people they believe in nonsense just because they're fossils that don't want to change, that never works. The only way I've seen so far to change an entrenched-belief (At least based on my own observations and introspection.) is to change the conditions that required the person to hold the old belief. (Which can be complex and individual.) But that would require an awful lot of work, possibly more than anyone is willing to put up with.

[markpierre]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)

There's no use in telling people they believe in nonsense just because they're fossils that don't want to change, that never works. The only way I've seen so far to change an entrenched-belief (At least based on my own observations and introspection.) is to change the conditions that required the person to hold the old belief. (Which can be complex and individual.) But that would require an awful lot of work, possibly more than anyone is willing to put up with.

Ha ha. Or an Armageddon.

Actually it's not funny.

[RedeZra]

when we see that the ptb

has debunked the Bible


and the alarm bells are not ringing

then how will we wake ?

[sdv]

As long as your survival (not just physical, but the ability to access any and all of the things on Maslow's hierarchy of needs) depends on believing lies, people will believe in lies. People want to be happy and unfortunately that plus a short-sighted and emotional nature can easily lead anyone to swallowing up any lie that will justify their existence/behavior.

There's no use in telling people they believe in nonsense just because they're fossils that don't want to change, that never works. The only way I've seen so far to change an entrenched-belief (At least based on my own observations and introspection.) is to change the conditions that required the person to hold the old belief. (Which can be complex and individual.) But that would require an awful lot of work, possibly more than anyone is willing to put up with.

Awesome wisdom in this post!

[kreagle]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
when we see that the ptb

has debunked the Bible


and the alarm bells are not ringing

then how will we wake ?

RedeZra,

But the "alarm bells" are ringing,......loud and clear,....to those who have "believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, as the Scripture has said,...."

John 7:37-39
King James Version (KJV)

37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Consequently,...because of this "upper room experience",...(the "same" experience the Apostles, Mary (Jesus' mother), and the rest of the "120" had as they were "born again"),.....we now have the "spiritual insight" to be "awake" and understand what's going on all around us in this wicked world!


John 16:12-14
King James Version (KJV)

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

RedeZra, on Feb. 22, 1981, at the age of 26 years old, I personally received the Holy Ghost,......"just like" they did on the Day of Pentecost! I, too, spoke in another language that I was not previously learned in.

Acts 2:4
King James Version (KJV)

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

It's because of this "spiritual infilling",....the act of being "born again",....that I am now able to perpetually have my personal "alarm clock" on at all times!!!

I don't have to worry about being caught,......"off guard"!

humanalien,

The "real reason" it's so easy for so many to believe a lie is because of the "absence" of what I have described above. You cannot live for God, successfully, without the presence of the Holy Ghost resident in your life!

Romans 8:8-10
King James Version (KJV)

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

And "last,....but not "least",......the Holy Ghost experience will be the "only hope" of being able to get "out of here", (this world),......and into the "hope of Glory",(Heaven).


Romans 8:11
King James Version (KJV)

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Without the infilling of the Holy Ghost,......your "alarm clock" will remain in the "off" position.

Without the infilling of the Holy Ghost,......you will believe the most "sinister" of lies.

Without the infilling of the Holy Ghost,......you're going to wind up "losing your ride out of here!"

BUT,.....it doesn't have to be that way!

Through God's Word,....."we all" have a "promise"!

Acts 2:37-39
King James Version (KJV)

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Folks,.....God never lies,.....He always keeps His promises!

2 Corinthians 1:20
King James Version (KJV)

20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

It's time to,......"shut out the lies",........"have the alarm fully activated",......and......"to be ready to get out of here"

"Have you received the Holy Ghost,......since you believed?" Acts 19: 2

Love and Peace,.......kreagle

[DeDukshyn]

You can't believe in any lies if you stop believing in "things" and start experiencing the present moment. Anyone who wishes to escape the lies needs to stop believing - believing requires a link to something external - considering and experiencing do not ... consider religion, yes. Believe it, no.

This is what God is asking of us (IMHO) - start living in the present - it will be the only way to escape the delusions of "beliefs"

BTW that biblical consideration of the OP -- a true gem with value!

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
You can't believe in any lies if you stop believing in "things" and start experiencing the present moment. Anyone who wishes to escape the lies needs to stop believing - believing requires a link to something external - considering and experiencing do not ... consider religion, yes. Believe it, no.

This is what God is asking of us (IMHO) - start living in the present - it will be the only way to escape the delusions of "beliefs"

BTW that biblical consideration of the OP -- a true gem with value!

To truly be present in the moment (and not be absolutely miserable) for some of us literally requires having our minds erased of every other place we could be. (Basically destroy our entire imagination.) That's what it takes to be present and happy for some, and that is why beliefs are necessary. Anyone not willing to feel loathsome all the time needs something to justify their present existence which, by their own standards, is a miserable one.

[DeDukshyn]

"Imagination" happens in the present moment!!! It is (as far as I know) nearly impossible to be miserable in the Present Moment ... thus if you are miserable ...

New definitions and distinctions are needed for these new times

My 2 cents worth

[the_vast_mystery]

Hah, I'd hardly call that being present but to each their own. I can walk for ten miles and never notice a thing because I'm existing entirely in my head. You could say I'm present in my imagination, but certainly not the world, LOL!

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
Hah, I'd hardly call that being present but to each their own. I can walk for ten miles and never notice a thing because I'm existing entirely in my head. You could say I'm present in my imagination, but certainly not the world, LOL!

Imagination is something new from the mind ... rehashing old thoughts for the egos sake are completely different - but may seem the same to most. I'll stand by my statement that new definitions and distinctions are required.

But I am not being antagonistic -- I mainly agreed with your post!

[kreagle]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
You can't believe in any lies if you stop believing in "things" and start experiencing the present moment. Anyone who wishes to escape the lies needs to stop believing - believing requires a link to something external - considering and experiencing do not ... consider religion, yes. Believe it, no.

This is what God is asking of us (IMHO) - start living in the present - it will be the only way to escape the delusions of "beliefs"

BTW that biblical consideration of the OP -- a true gem with value!

DeDukshyn,

I don't think you fully understand what you are saying here,.....in relation to the Sacred Word of God and the concept to "believe".

Mark 16:14-17
King James Version (KJV)

14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

As I pointed out, in my previous post, the "Holy Ghost experience" will fully help you "identify" the many lies that Satan bombards humanity with on a daily basis, and then be able to take the proper evasive measures to avoid the lie before it becomes "embedded in our psyche".

#1) Believe the Scriptures,.......#2) Obey the "Gospel Message" Peter preached in Acts 2:38,.........#3) Receive the "promise",...the gift of the Holy Ghost,.....and you'll be well on your way to living a "victorious and overcoming life".

May God bless you abundantly,.......kreagle

[DeDukshyn]

I'm not sure I can explain ...

All "knowing" comes internally from God or Christ or Higher self - whichever label one wants to use for that. "God" sounds appropriate in your case. Our "reality" is an illusion .. and our sense of internal (and eternal) "Knowing" comes from within us by God. Our true and intended guidance system.

If this is true (and I believe it) .. tell me .. what do you need to believe? Only that Christ guidance in the Present Moment is what needs to be real. All else is a "belief".

So, do you want to "believe" something someone tells you? Or your God given intrinsic guidance system that occurs when one is grounded without reference to the guilt of the past or the anxiety of the future?

I read something recently that may fit here: I'll dig it out.

I don't know if this will add clarification or confusion ... but here's to trying

What do
you call Satan? His body is the past, his breath, the
future. Energized by your past-oriented guilt and your
future-oriented fear, he follows you around like some vast
cosmic shadow. He casts his nets of fear on the waters of
your awareness, then draws them with ropes of reason,
back into a guilt-ridden past.
For the sake of illustration, your presence could be
compared to an inflatable membrane, designed to be filled to
the full with the energy and power of Life. Like two enormous
rips in the side, guilt and fear allow the precious
life-substance to escape, leaving you withered, ineffectual
and short-lived, all the' while, using your own life
substance to energize everything that you fear.
It is easy to reverse the situation. Let yourself die to
the past and wake up in the present moment. Why should
you hesitate? Are your past experiences really comprehensive
enough to provide a basis for understanding
everything you encounter in the present? Do they truly
deserve the authority and credibility that you give them?
How attentive were you to all the factors that were present
in the moment of their occurrence? If you are preoccupied
with "experience", how attentive will you be to
what is occurring in the moment?

Sorry - I messed up- you requested "In relationship to ..." ... I didn't do that .. let me look at all this again ...

[Lettherebelight]

The reason why so many believe in lies is because they are not really searching for the Truth. They have other motives propelling them toward an illusion. There are many reasons for this, a lot of them have to do with the false ego. And so there will be the Cheaters and the Cheated.

On the up side...

Those who seek Truth will be guided by the Inner Voice. There is no need to fear. But it does require making that connection.

As a reflexologist, we understand that all nerve endings terminate in the hands, feet and head. The body is a bio electric vehicle. When we clasp our hands together, the circuit (energy), is closed and directed inward, to the Self. Looping round, instead of dissipating energy outward. (I hope I have explained this ok).

When we put our hands together, we will experience that connection to the Self and Super Self (God). Then we will experience the Truth, according to our nature, and then, no one will be able to cheat us. It is 'a knowing'. No two people are identical, and so this 'knowing' may differ from one person to another, but that does not mean we cannot respect each other's Truths.

A good analogy is when a hungry man eats, he experiences satisfaction. No amount of argument will be able to convince him that he is still hungry.

It is a very good thread topic. Since the start of last year with the 'Charles' thing, people have realised how easy it is to be duped by charlatans and the material energy, and that includes myself.

I hope this isn't a tl;dr

Good luck to everyone on their path toward Truth. As our friend Jorr would say,
'All is well.'

[DeDukshyn]

I read the first sentence of your post LettherebeLight, and that was enough ... many would rather satisfy their programming than search for truth objectively. It is part of everyone's learning process, to get to the point of being "objective" even. My 2 cents.