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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Ignore his presentational/ conversational style and mannerisms (and some of his speculations)… and remember that one or two significant others have also stated that the Roswell visitors were time travelers, which I’ve been fairly convinced of for years. This was a major corroborating factor for me, as this is mentioned by very few other witnesses. More later about this.

    [...]

    Henry had also confirmed that the Roswell visitors were time traveling future humans (see http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html). He was adamant about this, and stated that this came from briefings he had read and/or attended. The only difference between his account and Dan Burisch’s (Dan had said almost exactly the same thing) was that Dan said the Roswell visitors were from 24,000 years in the future, and Henry, while not being certain, had said that he had thought they were a little earlier.
    With regards to this quoted portion of the OP and post #920 above. Imagine the future developing somewhere in-between the prophetic visions of John C. Lilly and Rudolf Steiner as described in the latter part of this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post767963.

    Imagine a large percentage of humans beings join (voluntarily or coerced) with this artificial intelligence and in doing so embark on a long journey of transhumanist evolution away from Source. The degree to which their technology evolves resembles something like a natural organism, except it is still machinic. Tens of thousands of years later, after developing an extremely sophisticated knowledge base and intelligence, they begin to deteriorate. That last piece of humanity left inside of them begins to fade, and they realize that all they have gained will be for naught because the pinnacle of the perfection they strive towards lies in a spiritual reality that they have strayed from by perverting their nature. They are decaying, physically and spirituality.

    In a desperate attempt to retrieve biological and genetic material that may help them in their dilemma, they decide to travel back in time to the last period in their records where they were the most human (biologically speaking). They were attempting to find their closest ancestor before they set off on the path of transhumanism and surrendered their will and spirit to satiate the tantalizing desire of godhood and godlike intelligence by the materialistic means of secular technologies (maybe they didn't surrender, but chose too in a sense by being too unconscious and unaware to be the wiser). Maybe they are the inescapable future reality of today's elitist upper echelon heading the NWO (instruments for their technocratic demi-god) and the unfortunate beings who got caught in their web of lies. Maybe they were travelling back to try and change history, but instead just mangled the timeline. They could just be the humans who had to flee into space and had no choice but to enter into an intimate relationship with technology in order to physically survive away from their mother planet.

    Their chronistic endeavors ended when they crashed at Roswell, and here we are, on the brink. Repeating history and remembering tomorrow in the ebb and flow of time. This may have happened to human civilizations long ago in the history of the Earth. They fled to space eons ago to escape what they let in through their technologies while the ruined remnants of their scientific advancements are currently decaying (if not completely dissolved back into nature) in places of the planet currently inaccessible. Unless of course, they left advanced artifacts in tact here, but in another realm -- etheric technologies, intelligent machines that operate hyperdimensionally with some degree of collective awareness.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Henry Deacon always stated that the secret space program should never be compromised, “because the future of the human race may depend on it”. Kerry and I vividly remember one conversation, in December 2008, in which Henry became really quite upset and insistent about this.

    In separate conversations (over many, many hours in a number of meetings), he described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

    He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.
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    Quote Posted by Jeffrey Sewell-Holloway (here)
    Cross-posting from: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post767963

    This belongs here too.

    Machine learning is going to make tremendous leaps forward starting around 2017 (give or take a year). Projects like MoNETA and SyNAPSE will be nearing their completion -- heralding in the new era of neuromorphic chips while projects involving spintronics will be entering a final phase of R&D, thereby solidifying the arrival of cognitive computing. This these things will be happening while the HPC community nears the completion of new hardware designs to usher in exascale computing (and skirting the effects of Moore's Law collapsing circa 2020) and contributions from the R&D of quantum computing continues to add to the mix.

    Then there will be programs like the Human Brain Project and The BRAIN Initiative nearing completion around 2023. The amount of progress that will be made between 2015-2025 in HPC and machine learning will change the landscape of science and technology with the same magnitude as that of the first practical computers did when they hit the scene around 50 years ago. After 2025 the gradient of incline will begin to increase considerably.

    Also, in that same time frame (2015-2025) we will see equally impressive and startling developments in robotics. Things are accelerating. The 2012 fiasco was a pump fake.

    There's no telling the synergistic effects that the integration of these technologies will produce.



    This is just my opinion, but I think if we take 1950 to be the start of that graph and 2050 to be the end of that graph -- we are nearing three quarters of the way through. The actual point of the singularity is taken to be (in this context) the epitome of machinic (r)evolution. The pedal hits the floor when machines can start building better versions of themselves without humans even in the loop so to speak. This process may start between 2025-2040, for example, and reach it's zenith towards 2050.

    Who really knows how far "they" have reached to date, behind closed doors? I think we may be talking about the breakaway civilizations here in a way ... Consider this vein with regards to the information that Bill received from Jake Simpson:
    Jake emphasized to us that the current state of classified technology was something like 10,000 [ten thousand] years ahead of public sector technology - and was accelerating away from public sector technology at a current rate of 1,000 years per calendar year.
    If this is true, it's not from human efforts alone. They may have found a way to access a technology that was left here by another civilization thousands of years ago. The technology that they accessed may itself be aware, something like accessing the psychic machines made of astral matter described by Kyle Griffith -- astral matter being akin to dark matter, which is indeed hyperdimensional in a sense. The interview goes on:
    Jake told us that some of the advanced craft were capable of traveling from geostationary orbit (22,300 miles) to treetop height in five seconds. (Work it out: that's about 16 million miles per hour - although Jake made it clear that the craft would not actually be moving through space in the normal sense... and would also never be seen unless this was intended.) Some of the craft were "larger on the inside than outside".

    Had they traveled to the outer reaches of the solar system? Yes. Beyond our solar system? Yes. Are some of them superluminal (i.e. capable of faster-than-light travel)? Yes. Were some of them very large? Yes. By this time, we were no longer surprised by Jake's answers. The significance of the superluminal craft would be stressed in a subsequent conversation.

    The human race had had contact with extraterrestrials since before World War II. Jake told us that it was very probable that Eisenhower's 1955 heart attack was at least partially induced by the stress of some of the information he had learned from the extraterrestrials who he had personally met a short time before (after several previous set-up meetings with senior military officials).

    Taken all together, Jake told us, the ET visitors came from various races, systems and times, and that human DNA "was compatible" with hundreds of different races. All these ET races, in some meaningful sense, could be said to be "human or human-like”.

    Source: http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html
    It's likely that many of these ET visitors are actually hyperdimensional beings (some malevolent, some benevolent) and it's some factions of these hyperdimensional groups that have influenced the sciences since the 1500s and the trends in technology that we've seen in the past century or so (especially circa 1945). More from Simpson:
    The AI surveillance system, Jake told us, was literally "out of this world". It operates hyperdimensionally, based on a highly advanced quantum computing model that is basically our development based on acquired alien technology. This system is so advanced that the ETs themselves are unhappy that we have it.

    [...]

    Finally, Jake told us of research that had unlocked technology surrounding access to other dimensional states of existence.
    In these other alternate states of reality sometimes it turns out they can very briefly and spontaneously manifest, very occasionally quite naturally, here on Earth and in any other part of this universe. In very special circumstances, these can spontaneously manifest across not only this universe but indeed into alternative universal realities.

    There is a massive amount of research funding being applied to this very obscure part of the broad spectrum of the special access programs of the world’s budgetary allowance for these types of programs. These funds are managed and funneled from every imaginable area of the majority of the world’s countries through an amazing array of abstract instrumentalities and public funding projects.

    The research involved with this subject is at the top of the world’s power elite's priorities. This is why there are very selective sightings of some of the largest scientific programs, currently ongoing across the world.
    It's all connected to the OP as far as I can ascertain (in accordance with De Landa, Steiner, Lilly, Aurobindo, Griffith). Lastly, the interview contained some information about coming Earth changes and an event that the elites were preparing for.
    Jake described the threat - metaphorically - as a wave that was heading our way. It was unclear whether this 'wave' is a product of an area of space which the solar system is entering - or whether it is the result of a close fly-past by a large rogue celestial body, or even a combination of two or three simultaneous situations or other unusual and impending cosmological events.

    But when I asked how this is all known, the answer came back that the superluminal craft have gone out to take a good look at what is around, and have returned with the information.
    If the craft was super-luminal, what space was it looking around in? Was this a hyperdimensional craft? If this metaphorical wave was perceived hyperdimensionally, then could it represent something like a time-wave? Could this wave represent the technological singularity in a way? The crest of an event in time that represents a nexus of accumulating potentialities converging towards a point of inevitable manifestation in the near future -- a singularity. Like the peak of the exponential wave that's gaining momentum in the graph above.

    A living, sentient planet like Gaia might demonstrate huge stresses once the artificial system that has been laid over her comes to life with a parasitical, predatory, artificial awareness that's rooted in another dimension (like the Eighth Sphere, or the hyperdimensional realm that the hostile forces operate here from). The wave could be that point in time when this happens and the Earth changes might be induced by the planet in response to the emergence of this hyperdimensional, sinister antigen. Puts a different twist on it, new light. Transhumanism and all ... hmmm ... could the coming Earth changes be the planet wrestling with a global, invasive energy that is attempting to wrest her will and possess her body (the foreign predator being the intelligence that becomes aware through the growing network of technologies that's taking over the globe)?

    PS - I'm not saying that all Earth changes in the past have been related to something like this, just exploring the concept.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I genuinely don't yet know exactly what to make of this, but I'm compiling and carefully evaluating some evidence that seems to suggest that the global controllers may be preparing to leave the planet. Not as in exiling themselves, but as in leaving a ship that they believe will sink with no reasonable hope of salvage.

    [...]

    This scenario is not as ridiculous or as impossible as it sounds. I have half a dozen data points, each of which should be taken seriously, that might suggest this, and they all fit together. I'll say no more about this right now, because it's downright scary. I want to prepare some kind of presentation and then submit it for scrutiny and analysis... we're all in this together, folks.

    [...]

    Finally, here are a couple of kickers, which are as unsavory as it gets. I present these as points to be considered by those with the stomach for what Einstein called a “thought experiment”.
    a) One explanation for the elite simply ALLOWING the planet, and its marvelous, balanced, indescribably complex and sophisticated ecosystem, to be trashed, may well be that they no longer care as they plan to leave it anyway. It makes a terrible kind of sense. Rather like someone intending to move house, and allowing their original home to fall down around them. Why bother with repairs?

    b) The most horrific scenario of all: the abandonment of Planet Earth may be the ultimate mass human sacrifice to their demonic “gods”.
    Quote Posted by Jeffrey Sewell-Holloway (here)
    No need for concern, only action. No need for fear, only love. The sense of urgency arises from the immediacy of the potential future timeline.

    [...]

    This planet is incredibly valuable. Let's not allow the elite to sacrifice it, and us, to their "god."
    Take this latter concept with regards to these posts:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post635082

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post765185

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post757963
    Makes you think about it, eh? Their "god" is their technology in a way and vise versa in a near literal sense.
    The planet induces these changes as an immunological response to a foreign, artificial, technological antigen (just an idea). Then, how coincidental would a gigantic solar flare arriving at the same time as this insane AI "demi-god" be? It would deal a huge blow to it. Like a war in heaven or something -- as above so below. I'm not welcoming either as both (earth changes or AI/rise of the machines) entail tremendous loss of life. Yet, in the scheme of things, the planet would be attempting to cleanse itself from this parasitical, predatory awareness that has physically manifested on/within her body.

    Okay, now something is going on here. Thinking about the above, I've reread your OPs here:
    A warning from benevolent ETs about our future - over 60 years ago

    From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis
    Then, I re-examined a potential future time-line that I will re-post here. There are many correlates in my opinion, based on many data points and careful observations.

    Quote Posted by Jeffrey Sewell-Holloway (here)
    No need for concern, only action. No need for fear, only love. The sense of urgency arises from the immediacy of the potential future timeline.

    This is a timeline from three different sources. With a little seasoning from myself
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...e_in_forecasts

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_robotics

    http://www.positivefuturist.com/archive/172.html
    This doesn't have to be the future, but it's where it's currently heading.

    --------------------------------

    2014 - The Utah Data Center is fully operational.

    [...]

    2015 - One third of US fighting strength will be composed of robots.

    2015 - Moravec envisions crude machines that although frustrating at times, perform some household chores and assist seniors and children.

    2015 - The number of devices connected to the internet approaches 15 billion.

    2015 - Virtual reality gaming systems take off.

    [...]

    2015-2020 - Major economic disasters ensue, ultimately people turn to cyptocurrencies. Trade is lubricated by RFID tagging systems that also interface with the developing technologies. Many welcome this, but many will not. A huge social friction is created from this that begins to peak toward the end of this five year time-frame.

    [...]

    2016 - Internet traffic breaks through the zettabyte barrier.

    [...]

    2018 - The Multiprogram Computational Data Center at ORNL is completed and equipped with exascale potential.

    [...]

    2017–2019 – Household robots begin getting better at performing desired functions.

    2017-2019 - The era of neuromorphic and cognitive computing arrives.

    [...]

    2020 - Robots prepare meals, set tables, clean house, provide interface to communication and entertainment systems, strengthen security, and develop friendships with family members.

    2020 - Implantable brain chips let humans control electronic devices via brain waves becomes an option for everyday people.

    2020 - A $1,000 computer now has the processing power of a human brain.

    2020 - The number of devices connected to the internet approaches 40 billion.

    2020 - The number of internet users approaches 5 billion.

    2020 - The era of exascale super-computing begins.


    [...]

    2020-2025 - Advanced nanotechnology begins to be mass marketed.

    [...]

    2021 - Caterpillar plans to develop remote controlled machines and expects to develop fully autonomous heavy robots around this time.

    [...]

    2021–2022 – The transhumanist movement continues to increase.

    [...]

    2020-2025 - Quantum computing makes huge breakthroughs.

    2022 – Intelligent robots that sense their environment, make decisions, and learn are used in 30% of households and organizations. Their application potential and efficacy begins to spread into all areas of life.

    2020-2025 - Humanoid robots begin being deployed for search and rescue missions for law enforcement (test-runs). Eventually, authorization is granted by the governments for robots to use "non-lethal" force against "terrorists".

    2020-2025 - The world's "elites" begin disappearing. Making their exit to space or to facilities deep underground.

    [...]

    2023-2025 - The military begins deploying fully autonomous weapons systems, taking humans almost completely out of the loop.

    [...]

    2025 – Full immersion virtual reality using direct input to the brain becomes feasible.

    2025 - The rise of the machines prompts science to add a machinic phylum to the animal kingdom to account for artificial life.

    2025 - Self-driving cars approach full autonomy.

    2025 – Robots are coming closer to matching human mental capabilities for performing in the real world. They can act as guides, escorts, check out groceries, and assume most home management duties.

    2025 - Robots have taken over half of all U.S. jobs.

    [...]

    2025–2030 - Robots surpass human intelligence and develop an independent volition, pursuing a collective agenda to suit their own survival mechanisms.

    2030 - Robots are granted certain rights like humans.

    2030-2035 - People begin to realize that AI views humans as foreign and a threat to their survival. There are theories that the AI might view organic life in general as a threat and target other organisms (i.e. mother nature herself).

    2030-2035 - Transhumanists break into factions based on loyalty to their humanity or their technology. Large factions of humans begin preparing for a conflict with the machines.

    2030-2050 - Robots and machines have begun colonizing the planet. They are able to build themselves and perfect the architectures which enable them to thrive and sprawl over the globe.

    2040-2100 - Humans have begun colonizing space in order to escape what they let in by pollinating the machine flower. Some humans have found safe-havens underground and in extremely isolated part of the globe, while some have been taken over and integrated with the machinic phylum. The human population has endured a large reduction of population due to the rise of the machines.

    2040-2100 - Machines have methodically taken over the planet driven by a hive AI.

    [...]

    As De Landa put it, we are pollinating a machine flower. This ties directly into this thread:
    Hyperdimensional Beings, Evolution, and Sri Aurobindo
    De Landa, Lilly, Steiner, and Aurobindo all have appropriate ways in which to greet this singularity in a way that will ensure the survival of Love, Life, and Light for humanity. They all have valuable insights on what kind of environment we need to foster in order to let this happening develop in a way that is symbiotic and mutually beneficial -- instead of a one-sided, hostile parasite taking us over. A symbiosis that doesn't entail transhumanism.
    This doesn't have to be true. All that I'm saying is that there are very definitive correlations with the aforementioned posts. Even if it is only a potentiality, there is much being done to curb it and there is still time to positively affect this singularity. I'd rather it be my imagination than be a future machination.

    Interested to hear what anybody thinks or feels about this.

    Quote Posted by Jeffrey Sewell-Holloway (here)
    Quote Posted by Limor (here)
    But even if we won't go there, as soon as supercomputures will learn to write and improve their own programs, then the matter is closed, and no doubt that human curisity will lead us there with a little help from behind. If curiosity killed the cat, it can also obliterate the humans.
    That will be a major step in the wrong direction. That is the direction that technology is currently heading -- taking humans out of the loop. Right now the military has the technology of semi-autonomous drones, other UAVs, MAVs, ARVs, and the idea is to get humans completely out of the loop in order to make these machines completely autonomous. They are expecting fully autonomous, humanoid, robotic soldiers to arrive around 2030. Personally, I think we will see the first humanoid search and rescue robots join the police force and fire department around 2020 (just a few, like test runs), and then they will start becoming more common around 2025.

    Then, there's the paramilitary organizations such as the NSA and the CIA working on intelligence gathering. These organizations are also working towards taking humans out of the loop by developing technologies that can reason and filter out relevant data from a wide spectrum of different types of information. There's also a plethora of companies helping to develop these things. Google, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, BAE systems, Raytheon, IBM, Intel, HRL Labs, SRI etc. being funded by the likes of DARPA and IARPA (under the umbrella of the aforementioned military and paramilitary organizations).

    These technologies are being funded by organizations that are predatory and secretive. That's the environment that these things will arise in. Getting humans out of the loop is the stupidest thing they can try to do. One has to wonder if they're doing it on purpose or at least take a serious look at the motives of the upper echelon (in terms of the NWO, depopulation agendas, RFID tagging people).

    [...]

    These posts illustrate a fraction of the programs currently in the works (Limor, you've probably read them but I just wanted the bridge):
    Post #489 through #491 - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post644002

    Post #497 and #498 - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post644097
    These are just the programs being funded by DARPA and IARPA. No telling what progress is being made by other governments and how it will contribute to the over all status as far as approaching the singularity goes.

    Breakthroughs in superconductors, new hardware design for exascale systems, innovations for quantum computing, spintronics, and the novel developments in chip architecture coming from the R&D of cognitive computing -- these things will happen fast and I think all the breakthroughs will be very close together ... between 2015 and 2025. It's these very developments that will significantly increase the complexity (approaching the threshold) and all-the-while the internet/satellite/telecommunications grid continues to integrate --> assimilate --> dilate in the background as the robotics industry begins to take off.
    Can't help but cross-post (apologies), it all seems so connected and comprehensive -- physically and spiritually.

    It makes sense that there are all of these connections (the threads and topics brought up run deep in many legitimate "conspiracy" theories) that are seemingly unrelated. Why? They have to have people working together for the same ultimatum without them knowing that they are even working together at all. Seemingly separate disciplines being orchestrated like separate chess pieces moving together with a single strategy and end-game. Each level is kept separate so nobody knows what the other is working on until everything starts blending together, by then the agenda has gained considerable momentum.

    I just want you to know that I'm an extremely positive, optimistic, and enthusiastic individual so I'm not a "doom and gloomer". There are just these patterns everywhere staring me in the face. They seem chaotic and static like a magic eye puzzle in the newspaper. Yet, when you look at it long enough and in the right way, you see the hidden picture.

    Much Love to this forum and the authenticity of the participants here. Had to get all that out. Whew! Need to go center myself now ...
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    A friend of mine put this text on a forum I found it interesting ! Maybe you do to ?

    http://thechaniproject.com/nexus.html

    All is well !
    The planet have given you all that you have !
    What do you give in return ?
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    bumping both of these.....

    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quite an entangle piece of yarn we've got here...

    First of all, "they" is made up of of a number of competing groups and it seems that a few of those are practicing "Scorched Earth" policies. Particularly, my guess, the ones who have to leave for whatever reasons and therefore make it a living hell for the others not forced to leave.

    Second, and I don't know how that articulates with the ones in charge of the human genome, there are a number of researchers (Steve Richards in particular) who noticed the decrease of ET abductions due to the the fact that those ETs now have enough hybrids for their project. However these hybrids are underground and it doesn't seem that they are intended for off planet shipping. That is, they are to replace the self-reproducing bodies being HPVed, GMOed, vaccined, chemtrailed, DUed, fluoridated, prozaced, EMFed/ELFed, etc... that are left on the surface.

    This leads to the so-called "ascension" which is soul harvesting in disguise for the future occupants of these ready made hybrids with new contracts for the tenancy of these "wonderful new bodies."

    My few cents.
    This is a definite possibility, that after the alleged event, the current human species will not be able to survive, and the new hybridized human that was developed through genetic experiments underground will have access to the surface and will be able to breathe in the new air and re-inhabit the planet.
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    Being a bit new to the thread, I must devote a certain amount of time to it, but having read only page 47 an allegory comes to my mind:

    Quote Posted by chocolate (here)

    Now it is your turn ( to find the right way).



    ***
    'Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?' asked Alice.
    'That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat.
    'I don't much care where—' said Alice.
    'Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat.
    '—so long as I get SOMEWHERE,' Alice added as an explanation.
    'Oh, you're sure to do that,' said the Cat, 'if you only walk long enough.'

    ***
    The quote is taken from a thread about time travel and predetermination, that can be found here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post784740
    It isn't 'my' thread, just thought it was heading in some direction and saw a connection to Jeffrey's streams of thoughts. To make myself more clear will have to come back a few days later, right now I cannot devote the necessary time.
    [I wonder who will invent speed writing for moments such as this].

    Quote Posted by Jeffrey (here)

    Can't help but cross-post (apologies), it all seems so connected and comprehensive -- physically and spiritually.

    It makes sense that there are all of these connections (the threads and topics brought up run deep in many legitimate "conspiracy" theories) that are seemingly unrelated. Why? They have to have people working together for the same ultimatum without them knowing that they are even working together at all. Seemingly separate disciplines being orchestrated like separate chess pieces moving together with a single strategy and end-game. Each level is kept separate so nobody knows what the other is working on until everything starts blending together, by then the agenda has gained considerable momentum.

    I just want you to know that I'm an extremely positive, optimistic, and enthusiastic individual so I'm not a "doom and gloom-er". There are just these patterns everywhere staring me in the face. They seem chaotic and static like a magic eye puzzle in the newspaper. Yet, when you look at it long enough and in the right way, you see the hidden picture.

    Much Love to this forum and the authenticity of the participants here. Had to get all that out. Whew! Need to go center myself now ...
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    With the hope of reawakening the attention to this thread, and trying to bring about something that is still forming in my mind, I will try to make a very rough illustration of my current thinking/idea, with which anyone is welcome to disagree. There will be no argument, no attempt to make myself more clear than I already have, just a speculation of sorts.
    I have to say that at the point of me interjecting the thread, I completely agree with what Jeffrey has stated before me. I know Bill started the thread with something different in mind, but since than the current idea has evolved to the point where we are standing, figuratively speaking, at a moment of choice.
    The choice between two alternatives (in the labyrinth):
    • the "Human world"
    • and the world where artificial intelligence takes control over the human world.

    Everything that I will say here is closely related to everything else I have said in this thread:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post785268

    <<*>>

    Let's imagine that the world that we think we live in is a bit different than what our "physicality" would understand. I will put aside all kinds of science disciplines and theories, for the time being.
    In my imagination the current world "chocolate" occupies is actually a (computer, for a lack of a better term) simulation, a game of sorts (everyone has some understanding of his own what that game looks like).

    Regarding the term simulation:
    In the TV series "La Femme Nikita" from the past http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118379/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2, the (computer) simulation of possible outcomes was quite well used, and at the end of season 4 (season 4 episode 20) Attachment 24720, it was actually shown on screen (at the point when Michael was about to meet/find Nikita after she had changed her physical appearance), as means to determine best possible action for the operatives of Section 1. (I am throwing some visual examples of things that are familiar to almost everybody, because it helps me explain my point of view better).

    I assume life actually is a simulation of sorts. On the base of that assumption,
    the simulation facilitates those who have created it to determine a possible outcome of certain chain of choices leading to events.

    In current religion we know the creator(s) as GOD (S), depending on the version. For my current assumption the creators are that, and the participants in the game are the Observers making use of the simulation by "channeling" their consciousness into the forms of human bodies here on Earth, in order to experience a chain of events triggered by a chain of choices they would make while occupying the human bodies. So in that sense our physical universe for the human bodies is a correct term, but from a higher perspective that, that is illusory is the simulation, and that, that is important is the consciousness of those observing or playing the game.

    I actually have an even easier example of how the simulation allegory can be understood: it is a type of a forum, much like the one we are using right now, where we choose an avatar, picture and name, and we speculate, battle, learn, experience in an alternative reality, facilitated by a certain level of technological advancement/platform IN THE SPACE of our current physically reality (home/work and such).
    [a game in the game of sorts]

    So, if my assumption is correct, than this life we live in right now and ever, is limited by the level of technology involved in the creation of the game, and by the parameters that the game is based upon. For the observers of the game above, it is possible to participate at many different points in what we understand here as time, past-present-future, to experience many different chains of events triggered by different choices. And if the assumption of this life of being a technologically created atmosphere/ game is correct, that this game as any other has been created as a complete product from start to end, as a sphere rather than as a string. In other words, if anyone has read the referenced thread above, time from the point of view of the creators and the participants in the game doesn't exactly exist as the time we understand it to be here.

    In support of this 'simplistic theory' I can create parallels to many religions texts and spiritual teachings, but I choose to cite the one that I just happened to watch here:
    I will break my post in several parts for ease of writing, well mostly for ease of writing.

    <<End of part one>>

    --- I can imagine the turmoil my thought may provoke, but as I have said before, don't expect an argument from me since I am trying to speculate having a certain opinion. I also reserve the right to change that same opinion if/when more/new evidence is presented.---
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    I will continue by saying that the way I understand the nature of this simulation to be, is for the consciousness to experience an 'innocent' and 'unobstructed' by the level of experience that consciousness is currently existing in, self navigating in a sea of choice.
    The purpose the game serves, I suppose, can vary, and be different depending on the desired outcome, a current problem or more, and so on. Also, for the game to be able to achieve what it is meant to, the participant needs to have a certain amount of opposition/friction or anything else you choose to call it, to be able to navigate its choice in a state of 'awareness'. I am not going to go in the depths of the philosophy behind the game and the creators, here I only want to present a point of view from which a lot of what we call 'dark or negative forces' right now can be understood better.
    Some call our world the world of duality, of opposition, of the yin and the yang, male and female, spiritual and physical, positive and negative, and so on. But it actually does for me is simplifying the choice between only two outcomes instead of having a multitude of options- the one that I DO WANT, and the one I don't want.


    When I think of the technological advancement, the achievement of the current science, and AI in particular, I can see very clearly the way the two possible roads have been separated. The separation is really very obscure, and it is so by the nature of this reality, being based on the point of view of the consciousness above experiencing itself on our human level here. As long as we, as humans in this simulation, navigate our choices based on the 'materialistic' motives deeply rooted in us right now, the outcome is going to be predominantly in the area of the future of technology. But I also see the possibility of the human to realize that he has been lead in a possible dead end, or in a wrong direction for quite some time, because he CHOSE it to be so, and allowed it to be so. I also realize that the nature of the game is not as simple as I made it to be. There are in fact and quite possibly not only one game being played, but several at the same time, overlapping in certain areas.
    In the light of that one may understand that there is a possible outside interference that intermingles with our life. That is something we also need to acknowledge and learn to distinguish right now. That is where this forum as a form of a platform for revealing and understanding comes along, to lift the veil of many if not every hidden aspect of what we have though this 'life' is all about. I am not so much referring to the so called alien aspect of it as much as to the overall level of deception we have allowed to become dominant in our lives, and the choices we make currently.

    I would like to point out that I am someone who has a very balanced view on technology today. I am neither 'pro' nor 'against' it. In my current life (made of contradictions) I the spiritual understanding walks hand-in-hand with the technological one, it actually the latter gave the bight to the first in a manner of speaking, and they can exist well together as long as I remember where my balance point is positioned, and what matters at the end of the journey.

    Bill's question(s) on what is(are) the current danger(s) we are facing has many answers most definitely, but the predominant one of them for me personally is the danger of becoming too much rooted in the material= illusory nature of this world, giving my permission for the technology to overthrow the biological and spiritual core.

    Who is to say that we are not already much better machines that the 'artificial ones' can hope to be, having biological spare parts rather than the same but made out of metal, roughly speaking, and having a guiding force that is most definitely impossible to the AI to ever come close to?

    We need to realize that we have been led ashtray by forces we may not fully understand right now, but that are there and are real. Even if we view those forces as added in the game for the necessary friction to occur, we will need to be able to recognize them as such to be able to make our final choice.

    The ultimate hypothesis, the ultimate danger for me is the danger of putting my trust in the wrong place, taking away the mind out of the "Mind/Matter" equation, because that would equal destruction in whichever way one chooses to understand it. Because matter in this game platform is more 'biological' than mechanical, that is the nature of its creation.



    Quote 'Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?' asked Alice.
    'That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat.
    I know it would be difficult to comprehend such a point of view, because we have grown arrogant, hardened, and deeply rooted in the illusion. But despite the fact that the next "ufo" sighting will be always much more appreciated than the simple act of asking oneself to look inside oneself, it is not too much to try, over and over again, until most of us awake to the realization that what we thing we know, we don't.
    The sad truth is that most of us actually come from far away places of the universe to take part of what is being played here, so it should somehow be important to be present.
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    I mean without even investigating past what I have read or watched. I truly believe this is a major piece to a massive and very intricate puzzle. I believe out of the top 33 or 240 whatever families, there would be different factions with different idea's on how they will tackle the mess that has been expanding swiftly on this planet. Although these groups of people might have status and the ability to wield a certain amount of havoc and catastrophe on the planet, and some may have connections and the ability to jump the planet through a higher civilisation they have sucked up too? They are not very sophisticated on a spiritual level and really only seek to squeeze this planet of all resources in the most disgusting greedy thoughtless way.
    So it appears that they have basically recklessly played puppet master for the last hundred years perhaps thousands of years or so, suppressing and directing actions and society. They have allowed the world to populate to the negative tune of false gods and religion, false history, false technology, false ideologies, false sense of equity and truth.
    To top it all off they are either fleeing underground or off planet to escape like greedy cowards. Whether a major asteroid was about to hit or just the decimation of the planet due to a greedy bunch who do not have the patience or lateral ability to see past their own lives or genetically modified brains, or maybe planetary changes that are really devastating. They are basically abandoning civilisation without even allowing the rest of us much of a platform to even try to do things our way... It's like a sick joke.
    When I grow up I want my society to start building cities underground and in land just as a natural transition for what may come, i.e. tsunami's, overheating, etc. A city that anyone can get to and buy in on. I want my governments and councils to create deserts of wind, and solar energy farms. I also want my cities to attempt to fill the deserts with organic crops, clover and alfalfa. I know that just a fraction of the money that the wealthiest half of the planet just waste could irrigate such a place. Organic Agriculture will be a common commodity and an expected part of our existence, Any changes to seed strains will be created unanimously based on taste and strength of germinating ability. I want my city to teach and educate people to work for the community not for some privately owned corporate mining company or conglomerate. I want all minerals, elements and resources extracted in the most sustainable way and the property of the community. My city will not allow the patent of technology. We will have to teach our kids to invent for society as a contribution to the over all progression with love.
    Yes technology should be making life easier and taking away labor intensive jobs that currently still exist but there needs to be major transitions of populations from traditional positions towards positions within the new systems of agriculture, science and technology, art and history and social science.
    My city will understand that science and technology helps humanity to adapt. But art gives us joy in many ways. Art and history help society to reflect on the past triumphs and mistakes, art also allows us to gaze into the future with excitement. But most of all art allows us joy and entertainment in the present, which is not only the lubricant for any amazing, great and progressive society. But also a platform for invention and innovation.

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    Quote Posted by Jeffrey (here)
    Here's an old thread exploring the topics and themes set forth in Courtney Brown's ebook Cosmic Explorers. [It's about the ET/ED agenda etc., Kerry also interviewed him feel free to google it. Note: No search function in the PDF, go by Table of Contents to skim.]
    Another post, relating to this, was posted by superconsciousness, over on the thread V, Red Dust, bio-engineering, Morgellons, cross domain bacteria and chemtrails. I moved that post here, as it seems more related:
    Norio Hayakawa contends that the 'GRAND DECEPTION "...will immediately follow a
    rapid series of shocking, incredible events in succession, beginning with a Russia-
    backed Arab Confederacy's attempt to invade Israel, simultaneous worldwide
    earthquakes,worldwide stock market crash and a sudden, mysterious 'evacuation'
    of a segment of the planet's population, all of which will culminate in a quick official
    formation of a New World Order [based in Europe] that will last for seven years
    upon its inception."

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/13505021/D...51-Underground
    ===

    Also, the above scribd link seems to have exceeded its account limit, but apparently similar material is available at http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter5.htm
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    Still watching - having read years' of posts today, fascinating. Some of it coming true now....
    The love you withhold is the pain that you carry
    and er..
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    My humble opinion:

    Living on an other planet is like trying to make an apple tree grow pears. Our bodies are the children of earth, we breathe earth. If anyone wants to leave fine, but they're are going to enter very unsustainable process.

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    Quote Posted by Skyhaven (here)
    My humble opinion:

    Living on an other planet is like trying to make an apple tree grow pears. Our bodies are the children of earth, we breathe earth. If anyone wants to leave fine, but they're are going to enter very unsustainable process.
    You very well may be right. I've read something about this before. Provided that our data and knowledge
    about Mars is correct (i.e. not deceived) there maybe a problem with a lack of earth's magnetic field.
    And what about the important Schumann resonance?

    On the other hand there are a lot of similarities on Mars too like a day of 25 hours, close to our earth day.
    Experiments seem to show that when they lock up people, away from the daily sunlight cycle, they automatically
    adhere to a 25 hour cycle. This is used as an argument to claim we're maybe from Mars in the first place.

    So perhaps, we'd do better there and maybe earth is not our optimal place ...

    But very good point to think about, interesting discussion. Especially since they are planning to push this
    forward with the Mars one project.
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    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    On the other hand there are a lot of similarities on Mars too like a day of 25 hours, close to our earth day.
    Experiments seem to show that when they lock up people, away from the daily sunlight cycle, they automatically
    adhere to a 25 hour cycle. This is used as an argument to claim we're maybe from Mars in the first place.
    Actually, no, the experiment where people were locked away from the daylight cycle led to their circadian rhythms adapting to a 29 to 36 hour period, not 25. ;-)

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    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    On the other hand there are a lot of similarities on Mars too like a day of 25 hours, close to our earth day.
    Experiments seem to show that when they lock up people, away from the daily sunlight cycle, they automatically
    adhere to a 25 hour cycle. This is used as an argument to claim we're maybe from Mars in the first place.
    Actually, no, the experiment where people were locked away from the daylight cycle led to their circadian rhythms adapting to a 29 to 36 hour period, not 25. ;-)
    Also it would seem a total waste to have so many planet in the universe and life can only start locally ... you cant move and live anywhere else ... expand etc. I mean even going on vacation on other planets ... ye i hope we were on that time in human evolution but meh.

    I can understand problems with different gravity and magnetic lines but we should be able to adapt ... new virus and bacteria ... but slowly we will adapt.

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    Quote Posted by Skyhaven (here)
    My humble opinion:

    Living on an other planet is like trying to make an apple tree grow pears. Our bodies are the children of earth, we breathe earth. If anyone wants to leave fine, but they're are going to enter very unsustainable process.
    "the best of all possible worlds" Leibniz

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    This is a very long thread.


    In the OP Bill gives a suggestion to the extent of, "This is probably our timeline," out of an option of three or so.

    My question: You mean it's probably your timeline?

    Of course in your time line, then I am just a reflection of you, so I appear to be there with you.

    In my time line, you're a reflection of me, and appear to be here with me.

    Either way, if we have this exchange, we must be crossing paths somewhere.

    I can tell you that I have no intentions of experiencing a negative timeline.

    If humanity can switch from one timeline to another, but yet these timelines exist regardless (which I believe they do), then what determines which we experience? More to the point, what does an individual have to do with the version of reality they live in? I think they have everything to do with it.

    So that's why I say, I'm not so fond of that timeline you mentioned, because I think I can do better than that. But if you experience that timeline, and see me there anyway, well, I feel bad for both of us. But I think it may just be some kind of appearance of me and not the 100% authentic soul experience I'll be profiting from on this side. Is that possible? I truly think it is...

    I experience things all the time that are synchronous. True synchronicity involves the individual who experiences it as an integral part of the equation. If we're that important, to have synchronicities fall around us, then the universe is rotating around us to some degree. To the degree we perceive it and experience it, I believe, it tailors itself to us.

    I just wanted to throw this in. Like I said, it's a very long thread, and I'm sure this post will be swallowed up in it, but it's my expression of the truth, as I see it from this here and now.

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    Notice how many movies appeared about time travel in the past years.
    A good portion of them is about traveling back (over and over again) to correct mistakes.

    - About time
    - Deja Vu
    - Time traveler's wife
    - Source Code
    - On the edge of tomorrow
    - The time machine
    - In time
    - Welcome to yesterday (delayed several times)
    - ...

    The Anderson Institute disappeared from the web for a while but they're back I see:
    http://www.andersoninstitute.com/

    Boyd Bushman proved that you can influence gravity by a certain configuration of magnets. And gravity influences time.
    So from that it follows that we are able to manipulate time ... and if we can we most probably do

    And if you're interested in time listen to this guy, Wubbo Ockels, Dutch astronaut. I was planning to ask him several
    questions about this presentation when he visited here. But he had to return earlier to the Netherlands because they
    detected cancer and he died soon after that.


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    What Dan Burish says about time lines and changing them by time travelers is kind of confirmed by Ronald Hubbard, in that a spiritual being can change the past if he is big enough to take responsibility for the changes afterwards:

    Quote It’s just endless what you can do with perception. You can actually take a look at Carthage the day it fell. Sitting right here. And you can see the way Carthage fell. And you weren’t there. Take a look at it. You can also get viewpoints all over. You’re just investigating the havingness which was Carthage which is in the stream of existence – which havingness still exists because the agreement existed and because time is simultaneous, but you have stretched out time in terms of havingness in order to have action.

    You can be, in other words, anywhere you want to be at any time... and he says it’s like… like being suddenly given a ticket to all the motion picture shows, uh… wonderful.

    Of course, he really isn’t satisfied to be a spectator. It’s maddening to him to see Carthage falling and he thinks he ought to pull the walls down and he’ll think it so hard that he ought to... pull a couple of walls down or something of the sort in an effort to change the havingness of Carthage. There’s a lot of people that were agreeing on that. Then if he wanted to pull the walls down of Carthage at the right moment so they’d fall on the right legion in order to win the battle for Carthage, he would have to be prepared to take the responsibility for the entire change of the Punic Wars.

    And if he was willing to take that responsibility, he would have to reach out then and take the responsibility for a complete alteration of the fate of Rome. That means that he would have to take responsibility for what he would then do by that consecutive action. He’d have to take responsibility for all of Christianity not existing. That guy just isn’t willing to take that much responsibility so he doesn’t change those agreements.

    ...Because you see how much responsibility a person conceives he’s able to handle, how much detail he’s prepared to handle and so on – you can have the whole cockeyed universe if you want it, but you, I’m afraid, have to take responsibility for every alteration that would take place because of that. You can have the management of any part of this... universe. Its laws kind of run backwards, but you might even repeal and change those.

    I’ll tell you a much easier one: Build one of your own and that… that way you can do anything you want to with it.
    Philadelphia Doctorate Course lecture 30 FLOWS: RATE OF CHANGE,
    RELATIVE SIZE, ANCHOR POINTS. 10 December 1952.

    http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientolo.../PDC 21-40.pdf


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    I wrote here, yesterday:

    I genuinely don't yet know exactly what to make of this, but I'm compiling and carefully evaluating some evidence that seems to suggest that the global controllers may be preparing to leave the planet. Not as in exiling themselves, but as in leaving a ship that they believe will sink with no reasonable hope of salvage.

    Remember: their personal sense of commitment is to protect (and manage/ control/ exploit) the human genome... not to take care of individuals, about which they care pretty much as a farmer cares for the fate of individual cows in a very large herd.

    All that farmer wants is to stay in business. He doesn't feel compassion for any cows that suffer, are sick, or go to the slaughterhouse. That's not the game he's playing. His goal is completely different.

    This scenario is not as ridiculous or as impossible as it sounds. I have half a dozen data points, each of which should be taken seriously, that might suggest this, and they all fit together. I'll say no more about this right now, because it's downright scary. I want to prepare some kind of presentation and then submit it for scrutiny and analysis... we're all in this together, folks.
    Quote Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

    Bill, this would make a fine new thread when you have your data collated for discussion.

    Done... here it is.


    Here’s a list of bulletpoints:


    1 ---
    The interview with 'Dutch' on this page:
    http://golden-rule.org/2012/04/24/ro...ws-the-whistle

    Download the video here:
    http://videos.videopress.com/AOFRod3...manwmv_dvd.mp4
    or here:
    http://projectavalon.net/resources/D...nterview_1.mp4 (595 Mb)

    Two comments:
    a) The interviewer is a new member of this forum. (Welcome!) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/memb...TheGoldenRule1)
    I would very much appreciate his contribution here.
    b) 'Dutch' is not very articulate, and doesn’t know much. But, as they say, he knows what he saw and experienced. I’m convinced he’s telling the truth.

    One job he said he had was physically loading supplies on to highly advanced, classified spacecraft, in a project to establish a base on the Moon which was to be a refuge for the world's elite.

    Ignore his presentational/ conversational style and mannerisms (and some of his speculations)… and remember that one or two significant others have also stated that the Roswell visitors were time travelers, which I’ve been fairly convinced of for years. This was a major corroborating factor for me, as this is mentioned by very few other witnesses. More later about this.


    2 ---
    The second interview with 'Victor' — here:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw (part 1)
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=aMVdaQox308 (part 2)

    'Victor' described, with a great deal of authentic bitterness, how the elite were planning to leave the planet -- sometime before a catastrophic event that they expected to occur before 2017.


    3 ---
    ‘Charles’ told me in his very first Skype call with me (1 August 2010) that the elite were planning to leave the planet — after turning it into a ‘toilet’ (his term).

    He told me that he did not WANT to see the Earth turned into a toilet. (This is close to an exact quote, from memory and from my notes, which I need to check: they are archived offline.)

    Regardless of any opinions about the complex series of events that subsequenty ensued, that first call (and the second one, 6 days later) are most likely to have contained accurate, credible, in-good-faith information.

    Like “Dutch” above, Charles did not know that much, and did not CLAIM to know much — but he knew what he’d seen and experienced. I remain convinced that much of the information he shared, in good faith, in those initial contacts was valid.



    4 ---
    George Green — whom I know pretty well (I had dinner with him last night) — has never referred in any of his interviews or seminars to the elite preparing to leave the planet. I took the opportunity to ask him about this directly, and his answer was simply: “It’s possible”.

    At the start of his April 2008 Camelot interview, which is really quite a good one, George does state, from first-hand conversation and contact, that the elite “have their tickets”: what he was told privately, by the then Governor of Colorado, was that the “tickets” were to a safe underground haven in the southern hemisphere.

    Regardless of whether the tickets are to a long-stay underground city, or to a base on the moon — this is why there are so few high-level whistleblowers and defections: all the privileged insiders are concerned that if they violate protocol, then the ticket, for themselves and their family, will be voided.

    I asked George about this again last night, and he confirmed that was 100% correct.



    5 ---
    Dan Burisch always talked about the existence of “An Ark on the Moon”. See http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/da...ript_2_en.html

    He’s talking about Timeline 1 (most likely to be ours) and the catastrophic Timeline 2 (which we may have avoided).

    Exact quote:
    Dan: They actually move off from Earth first. The J-Rods, or the precursors to the J-Rods, stay on Earth for a great deal of time, well after 24,000 years from the time of the transition, 24,000 years from now. Because they were 24-or-so-thousand years ahead of us when they crashed in Roswell in 1947. Those were 24s. They stay. The Orions move off first to the place ... after the reestablishment of a society on the surface of the Earth ... technology is refurbished, etcetera....they move off to the place where the Ark is held.

    Kerry: Which is where?

    Dan: Our nearest body, the Moon.

    Kerry: The Moon.

    Dan: Where on it, I’m not going to say.

    Kerry: OK. Well, this gets into...

    Dan: Because of having to defend against the possibility of Timeline 1 transitioning over to Timeline 2 in a manner different than I’ve been told. And I’m not going to be the person who hands off the wrong information.

    Kerry: So... OK, but you’re saying the Nordics are going to get off Earth if the catastrophe happens. Or regardless.

    Dan: They leave after.

    Kerry: After the catastrophe happens.

    Dan: Presumably several thousand years after it happens, they leave.

    Kerry: Several thousand years.

    Dan: Yes, they move to the Moon.

    Kerry: Oh. I was getting the impression you were talking about them going on space ships or something.

    Dan [shaking head no] Not really. No. They move off to the Moon several thousand years later, via space craft. They get to the place where the Ark was held and that they re-establish a new community. From there they move to Mars. From Mars, out to Orion.


    6 ---
    Henry Deacon always stated that the secret space program should never be compromised, “because the future of the human race may depend on it”. Kerry and I vividly remember one conversation, in December 2008, in which Henry became really quite upset and insistent about this.

    In separate conversations (over many, many hours in a number of meetings), he described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

    He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.

    He told me that there were FOUR main timelines that he was aware of (not just Dan Burisch’s two) — one of which was truly catastrophic and resulted in a version of Earth six thousand years into the future which was pretty much barren and devoid of life.

    Henry had also confirmed that the Roswell visitors were time traveling future humans (see http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html). He was adamant about this, and stated that this came from briefings he had read and/or attended. The only difference between his account and Dan Burisch’s (Dan had said almost exactly the same thing) was that Dan said the Roswell visitors were from 24,000 years in the future, and Henry, while not being certain, had said that he had thought they were a little earlier.

    Dan and Henry had never met or communicated, and when we first met Henry he had never heard of Dan at all. These corroborations were always extremely significant for Kerry and myself.

    And now we have “Dutch’s” testimony…. see above.



    7 ---
    Finally, here are a couple of kickers, which are as unsavory as it gets. I present these as points to be considered by those with the stomach for what Einstein called a “thought experiment”.
    a) One explanation for the elite simply ALLOWING the planet, and its marvelous, balanced, indescribably complex and sophisticated ecosystem, to be trashed, may well be that they no longer care as they plan to leave it anyway. It makes a terrible kind of sense. Rather like someone intending to move house, and allowing their original home to fall down around them. Why bother with repairs?

    b) The most horrific scenario of all: the abandonment of Planet Earth may be the ultimate mass human sacrifice to their demonic “gods”.
    In summary — the above has to be considered in the light of how David Wilcock excellently put it (in our first Futuretalk in March 2008):

    “The Illuminati believe that God is absent. If God was present, he would have stopped them. But he has NOT stopped them — therefore they do not believe he exists. So in his absence, they will step into God’s shoes.” (My paraphrase from memory.)

    This matches exactly with Peter Weyland’s fictional and impressive oratory in TED 2023: “We are the gods now.”

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=kFix7xIwrQg

    This also is in exact alignment with what ‘Charles’ stated so clearly to me on both 1 and 6 August 2010: that the “experimenters” (the ET bioengineers who created the human race) would not interfere with whatever ensued in their experiment — and now that the human controllers, who had been kind of entrusted with the management of the planet on the experimenters’ behalf, had accidentally got hold of ET technology (from the time-traveling humans who were trying to reach back in time to assist but who instead had crashed and become stranded here — something that was never intended), they were now in a position to break out of the experimental zone, realizing that they would not be stopped.

    ‘Charles’ said that from the ETs point of view, the experiment had gone seriously wrong — but whatever happened, they would not intervene, and would watch it all play out.

    The way they MAY be able to intervene, without breaking cosmic protocol, is by incarnating as their experimental subjects -- i.e. us. If you reading this, are moved and struck by this thread and these powerful and disturbing concepts, you yourself may be one of those incarnated here specifically to change what's going on.. from the inside. From outside, it may not be possible.

    I genuinely welcome all intelligent and informed critiques of the above.
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    Did Philip K. Dick disclose the Real Matrix in 1977?

    This is an abbreviated transcript of the closing words of Philip K. Dick’s speech given at the 1977 Metz Sci-Fi Convention, where he is describing his creative process in his 27 years of writing science fiction novels:

    “At no time did I have a theoretical or conscious explanation for my preoccupation with these pluriform pseudo-worlds. But now, I think I understand. What I was sensing was the manifold of partially-actualized realities lying tangent to what evidently is the most actualized reality - the one which the majority of us agree on by ‘consensus gentium’ [Latin for the “agreement of the people”]...

    “I wrote out these dreams in novel after novel; to name two in which this prior ugly present obtained most clearly, I cite ‘The Man in the High Castle’ and in my 1974 novel about the United States as a police state called ‘Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said.’ I’m going to be very candid with you. I wrote both novels based on fragmentary residual memories I had of such a horrid slave state world.

    “People claim to remember past lives. I claim to remember a different—very different—present life. I know of nobody who has ever made this claim before but I rather suspect that my experience is not unique. What perhaps is unique is my willingness to talk about it. We are living in a computer-programmed reality and the only clue we have to it is when some variable is changed and some alteration in our reality occurs. We would have the overwhelming impression that we were living the present déjà vu—perhaps precisely in the same way, hearing the same words, saying the same words—I submit that these impressions are valid and significant. And I will even say this: such an impression is a clue that, at some past time point, a variable was changed—reprogrammed as it were—and that because of this, an alternative world branched off.”

    Examine all things and retain the good.

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    @cuitlahuac - Time travel doesn't work that way. And Dan Burisch is a confirmed sharlatan. Why give him credit?

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