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    Time to remember some basics: Alan Watts is one of my favourites to remind me who I am when I venture too close to insanity

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    Quote Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
    I am rather enraged at the Gabriel Chiron materials.

    I agree that many earthlings seem to be imbecils, and many actually are. And even the brightest ones may seem imbecillic to "them". But are humans to blame for this?

    Would we be such imbecils if ETs hadn't messed with us? Would we be so brain dead if we hadn't become their "farm"?

    When I think of commercial cattle, I don't think those cows are imbecils. I find it so sad that they are used for their milk, their meat, their hide, and maltreated to boot. They are beaten into submission, as if cows weren't submissive enough! I don't feel quite the same about cattle that are raised organically on large meadows where they can feed, roam and play as they wish. Their milk is used also, but at least their udders are not infected and dragging pus filled on the ground. They're not abused. They end up providing meat but they have a decent life. But parasitic ETs have treated us like commercial cows. Is it any wonder that we are imbecils as a race?

    If indeed everything in this universe works by agreement then it is totally conceivable that once upon a time before we ended up in flesh bodies we entered some kind of game with other races. And since they were more clever and more devious than us then they beat us, repeatedly, until we became unconscious and forgot the game we were playing. Is it fair to deem us imbecils because we've suffered too many traumas to remember how it all first began?

    This would be akin to someone borrowing money from a neighbour, then the neighbour gets into an accident and suffers a concussion and loses memory. So the other person doesn't bother to return the money that's been borrowed, instead, they beat the neighbour over the head again, causing another concussion, and borrowing more money because the neighbour has forgotten about the money previously borrowed. Then the parasitic neighbour causes an electric shock on the already amnesiac neighbour in order to borrow more money which will never be returned. Should we blame the trusting neighbour for entering into the agreement of lending money, or lending anything else for that matter?

    Chiron admits that humans have been duped, but where is the compassion? And more importantly, where is the help we need to rid ourselves of the parasites? Certainly a brilliant, knowledgeable Ultraterrestrial must have some answers as to how we should proceed to regain autonomy. But the answers are not supplied.

    And Chiron tells us that superior ETs like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, came here to help but it was a waste of their time and gifts because we're such idiots (paraphrasing). It wasn't a waste of time because we're idiots. It was a waste of their time because too many manevolent ETs prevented us from learning from them. How can one teach a race that's been brain washed and traumatized?

    What we need is a benevolent Ultraterrestrial to guide us, and not one to tell us that we are harshly judged for our fates.

    Chiron's information only serves to make us feel more impotent and to plummet us into an abyss of deeper imbecility.
    I think the key here is to consider the information, consider you may be a starseed or walk-in or some other off world being and that some humans may be indigenous in that they have been here many times before and in fact may be stuck in a repetitive returners complex. If you can step back and view possibility from all those perspectives and avoid the elitist trap (which is something I am prone to... not suggesting you are in the least DOT), you might be able to assimilate the ideas from this (new to me) source, Gabriel Chiron... that's what I had to do and I have benefited from this post from Snowbird Post (#119). Difficult read but my intuition meter rose heavily when I went through it (4 - 5 times now). justoneman

    added: Note, I have not had to endure the experiences you have and I truly empathize as I can only imagine how difficult that has been for you and I am extremely glad you are here! justone


    added again... and how funny I see the next post by Snowbird and we were at totally different places in this thread... another example of wonderful synchronicity
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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    OK, so you have the "force" but what can you do with it that is any good for anyone else? I say this because... and I am speaking strictly for me... I cannot see any value in using any paranormal abilities that others recognize you to have without it being beneficial to others.

    Some may know I am an oddsmaker by trade, well they say there are no sure things but I disagree. I know one sure thing to bet on - love, cause love wins all bets. I have never bet on love and lost, ever.

    justoneman
    You've answered your own question justoneman. By interjecting love into every situation, even family issues, you are utilizing your psi to the absolute utmost.
    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
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    Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Dear Bill,

    Would you ask George Green, about these 'other world beings' spiritual knowledge and wisdom.
    It seems to me that this knowledge is more important than who is or is not on the Moon.

    Most information coming through all media seems to be diverting human consciousness.
    to keep them looking and being afraid of this physical temporary world.

    We know we are embodied beings with the potential of enlightened qualities, but anyone who seems to have contact with 'other beings, never ever say anything to develop or enhance these qualities.

    Bob Dean is exactly the same, and all the rest. They act as if they know something, but they definitely do not. I have never heard anyone say something about the mind, and for me to say,
    “Well I never knew that about my mind!”

    They talk about non interference. This totally ridiculous, the outcome of true spiritual knowledge is compassion, unconditional love. Not leave them in their suffering.

    You can see by this forum the confusion going on, they hate teachers, because they no longer trust anyone. “They say, I only trust myself!” Is it really every man for him or her self?

    My question is, if these beings are so knowledgable where is their compassion?
    That's if they actually exist!


    Tony
    WoW super excellent post that I had to bump... Thanks, Tony

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    At some point in time we all leave the body and then of what use is all the knowledge of the world?
    Escaping to the moon or underground is just temporary.
    Practical knowledge of course is useful while we are in form but how much do we really need to see us through the day?

    Raising ones own consciousness through acts of kindness is beneficial as it raises collective consciousness.
    Just a question of priorities.

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    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    At some point in time we all leave the body and then of what use is all the knowledge of the world?
    The idea is to infuse the body with enough life force so that it does not deteriorate and die. The biggest lie ever perpetuated on us, is that we must die. Why do we have to die? Who said so? Why can't we generate, hold, and focus enough life force energy so that we are fully enlightened within a body? Why is there this notion that one must leave the body to ascend?

    I don't want to drag this thread off topic, since it is about "leaving" the planet, but I digress.

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Dear Bill,

    We know we are embodied beings with the potential of enlightened qualities, but anyone who seems to have contact with 'other beings, never ever say anything to develop or enhance these qualities.

    Bob Dean is exactly the same, and all the rest. They act as if they know something, but they definitely do not. I have never heard anyone say something about the mind, and for me to say,
    “Well I never knew that about my mind!”


    They talk about non interference. This totally ridiculous, the outcome of true spiritual knowledge is compassion, unconditional love. Not leave them in their suffering.

    You can see by this forum the confusion going on, they hate teachers, because they no longer trust anyone. “They say, I only trust myself!” Is it really every man for him or her self?

    My question is, if these beings are so knowledgable where is their compassion?
    That's if they actually exist!


    Tony
    Great post Tony! Where is their compassion? In answer to this question, one has to bravely tread where others fear to tread. In other words, one has to approach the other side which is a domain that most humans are told/instructed to stay the hell away from. The compassion is there in many of these domains. The unconditional love is there in many of these domains.

    The real and genuine problem with this answer to your question, is that we can't see them and at times, we can't hear them. But, they are there and have always been there.

    Of course there are groups (declining) who think that we are lower than the cattle that Bill mentions in his opening post. They are however, greatly outnumbered by those who demonstrate compassion and unconditional love.

    Your mind? I am linking below a new and different article written by Mr. Controversial, Grabiel Chiron...who I am beginning to believe or suspect is from planet Chiron. This article starts out rather slowly, but then goes into explanation of what I believe to be the very crux of the problem of this human condition.

    If anyone opens this article, I ask that you read it in its entirety. Its a one-pager.


    The Central World Problem:
    The Human Brain Cannot Do Reality
    by Gabriel Chiron

    All the World’s Socially Constructed Realities, its self-destructive prejudices, are unbelievably mechanical, blind and nauseating, rooted right in the cognitive neurosystem, the human brain and throughout the biological and atomic structure of the physical human body. Human beings in general on our suffering planet do not know what is really happening to them or what they are actually doing. The entire globe is very much like a macabre puppet show with over six billion bioneurological puppets unwittingly, awkwardly herking and jerking toward their death and doom without a clue. And each Socially Constructed Robotic Pseudo-Reality feels through all its puppets that it and it alone is the superior view with the superior way of life-habits.



    Are you personally clear now that the Central World Problem is indeed that the human brain cannot do Reality?

    http://www.absolutoracle.com/Neosocrates/index.htm
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    Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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    Bill, what are you doing?

    This is fear-mongering of the very worst kind.

    The premise that the "elites" are going to the moon because the earth is screwed can only predispose people to a violent backlash, which plays right in to the hands of (in the US at least) FEMA and DHS. Violent uprisings are what they are praying for, and if "we" foolishly go there, then that is the moment in which we will be screwed.

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    No worry's we are all dead. Better stock up on the hot dogs.

    I will not buy into fear. We are all eternal.

    peace gigha

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    Bill, what are you doing?

    This is fear-mongering of the very worst kind.

    The premise that the "elites" are going to the moon because the earth is screwed can only predispose people to a violent backlash, which plays right in to the hands of (in the US at least) FEMA and DHS. Violent uprisings are what they are praying for, and if "we" foolishly go there, then that is the moment in which we will be screwed.

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    I sense that Bill has confidence in the Avalon community not to descend into fear but instead, through application of intention in the various ways we can manifest our intention, to discuss these matters with optimism in regards to outcomes.

    I see his sharing of these informations as complimentary.

    Most of us are able to move quickly through a fear phase if we even encounter that phase at all.

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    The Ultimate Hypothesis.

    What is the connection with the OP and everything else.....

    ...bank culture, wealth, status, porn, TV, violence, alcohol, shopping, gadgets, sport, religion, cooking, aliens, fashion, getting angry, my love, being right, getting more angry, my knowledge, me, you, us and them, forums...

    The connection is...addiction!

    The frailty of human existence at this moment in time, is based on Desire and Frustration.
    The act of desire and frustration creates addiction, so we never find satisfaction.
    Addiction is distraction, and never ending!

    Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment.
    We can also be addicted to thinking we are free of all this!

    Addiction to Self is normal ignorance for sentient beings, this is what keeps us unenlightened
    (your truly included), and the Demon Pyramid just plays on it.

    We can turn this on it's head by using addiction is the opposite way...addiction to compassion!
    Get addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own.

    Compassion is totally satisfying, but you cannot expect anything in return!




    Tony



    Ps To All Off world Beings.... Do WE know something YOU don't?
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    And this comes to mind. Thank you Tony. Hope you don't mind

    I have lived and been intimate with other realities
    It does not make me scared
    We all live within our own reality
    But I do ask myself
    Why do some people want me to be scared





    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    The Ultimate Hypothesis.

    What is the connection with the OP and everything else.....

    ...bank culture, wealth, status, porn, TV, violence, alcohol, shopping, gadgets, sport, religion, cooking, aliens, fashion, getting angry, my love, being right, getting more angry, my knowledge, me, you, us and them, forums...

    The connection is...addiction!

    The frailty of human existence at this moment in time, is based on Desire and Frustration.
    The act of desire and frustration creates addiction, so we never find satisfaction.
    Addiction is distraction, and never ending!

    Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment.
    We can also be addicted to thinking we are free of all this!

    Addiction to Self is normal ignorance for sentient beings, this is what keeps us unenlightened
    (your truly included), and the Demon Pyramid just plays on it.

    We can turn this on it's head by using addiction is the opposite way...addiction to compassion!
    Get addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own.

    Compassion is totally satisfying, but you cannot expect anything in return!




    Tony



    Ps To All Off Beings.... Do you know something you don't?
    Last edited by gigha; 5th July 2012 at 09:21. Reason: EDIT: because it just came to me

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    Poor children are going hungry in Britain, schools have started breakfast clubs.
    Hungry children cannot concentrate.
    Prisons are now mini factories for cheap labour in Britain, America has already privatised prisons.
    Police staffing are being cut, we are just waiting for the privatised forces to begin.
    The armed forces are being cut.
    This creates more people out of work.
    Some people have never had a job.
    The press are talking about gangs in London again, building up the pressure.

    In every walk of life our consciousness is being twisted.

    Can you see the pressure pot building up?
    Can you spot the social engineering going on?

    Though it is up to every individual to wake up to this physical and mental manipulation,
    their progress is being hampered by really evil people.

    In the ordinary heart there is such goodness, maybe it's that, that they fear!

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    I think we have all had Enough
    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Poor children are going hungry in Britain, schools have started breakfast clubs.
    Hungry children cannot concentrate.
    Prisons are now mini factories for cheap labour in Britain, America has already privatised prisons.
    Police staffing are being cut, we are just waiting for the privatised forces to begin.
    The armed forces are being cut.
    This creates more people out of work.
    Some people have never had a job.
    The press are talking about gangs in London again, building up the pressure.

    In every walk of life our consciousness is being twisted.

    Can you see the pressure pot building up?
    Can you spot the social engineering going on?

    Though it is up to every individual to wake up to this physical and mental manipulation,
    their progress is being hampered by really evil people.

    In the ordinary heart there is such goodness, maybe it's that, that they fear!

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Poor children are going hungry in Britain, schools have started breakfast clubs.
    Hungry children cannot concentrate.
    Prisons are now mini factories for cheap labour in Britain, America has already privatised prisons.
    Police staffing are being cut, we are just waiting for the privatised forces to begin.
    The armed forces are being cut.
    This creates more people out of work.
    Some people have never had a job.
    The press are talking about gangs in London again, building up the pressure.

    In every walk of life our consciousness is being twisted.

    Can you see the pressure pot building up?
    Can you spot the social engineering going on?

    Though it is up to every individual to wake up to this physical and mental manipulation,
    their progress is being hampered by really evil people.

    In the ordinary heart there is such goodness, maybe it's that, that they fear!

    Again, this is all according to plan. The Landlord wants to tear down our system because they have a new system ready for us to move into, but we have been too stubborn. They are going to make this one so damn awful we beg for the new one and we thank them for it when we wake up under their complete control. Or we never wake up and that's their real goal. Those of us who are awake will in their eyes, just die off.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    At some point in time we all leave the body and then of what use is all the knowledge of the world?
    Escaping to the moon or underground is just temporary.

    Practical knowledge of course is useful while we are in form but how much do we really need to see us through the day?

    Raising ones own consciousness through acts of kindness is beneficial as it raises collective consciousness.
    Just a question of priorities.

    Chris
    Very good point Chris..


    Such great lengths for such a limited period of time?

    It would highlight how hopelessly drunk and addicted they are to seeing their(?) agenda through... assuming their agenda is limited to mortality??
    Now that is another can of worms.. "What if there is a connection beyond mortality"?? (One that I doubt but.. a very unpleasant thought)

    Are they doing this under duress to appease any archontic forces they are in bed with? (an exit and mass culling)
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    Leave no stone unturned...

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    Bill great thread, lots of back and forth debate love it.

    It seems that these people who think theyhave it made are compartmentilized hockey pucks offering other carpartmentilized hockey pucks, so called elit tickets and promises of undergrond safety for thier loved ones. Duh.
    They believe they are doing what is right.
    They are being hero's to thier family.
    All they are doing is creating thier own personal hell of unkept promises.
    Never mind that they just up and leave the rest of us humans to die a dredful demise.
    Tony has a good point above, 'where is thier compassion.
    Ibelieve they are not capable of compassion for fellow man, just themselves and loved ones.
    Do they not know that they are being lyed to and decieved by thier vry smart captives?
    Maybe they are just stores and supplies for thier very own elite, good luck ALT.3.
    My vibrations are screaming stay put and fight the good fight with every one left here and for gaia, as if I have a choice.

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    I have just written a lengthy post that I believe relates to this thread but best belongs where I have placed it.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post516750

    justone

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    Default Re: From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    The Ultimate Hypothesis.

    What is the connection with the OP and everything else.....

    ...bank culture, wealth, status, porn, TV, violence, alcohol, shopping, gadgets, sport, religion, cooking, aliens, fashion, getting angry, my love, being right, getting more angry, my knowledge, me, you, us and them, forums...

    The connection is...addiction!

    The frailty of human existence at this moment in time, is based on Desire and Frustration.
    The act of desire and frustration creates addiction, so we never find satisfaction.
    Addiction is distraction, and never ending!

    Addiction is a physical and mental imprisonment.
    We can also be addicted to thinking we are free of all this!

    Addiction to Self is normal ignorance for sentient beings, this is what keeps us unenlightened
    (your truly included), and the Demon Pyramid just plays on it.

    We can turn this on it's head by using addiction is the opposite way...addiction to compassion!
    Get addicted to caring about others welfare more than your own.

    Compassion is totally satisfying, but you cannot expect anything in return!




    Tony



    Ps To All Off world Beings.... Do WE know something YOU don't?
    wow, I had never seen the desire/frustration components of addiction. You turned addiction comprehension upside down in my head. Thanks.

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