From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

[Bill Ryan]

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More material. These are all downloads... plenty of reading for all.

Solar activity:

• Full video (MP4) of Matthew Stein (the author of WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS) in his Project Camelot interview presentation.
• Matthew Stein's Feb 2012 article entitled: 400 Chernobyls: Solar Flares, EMP, and Nuclear Armageddon.
• A must-read article by engineer Jerry Emanuelson on how to safeguard against a potential EMP (electromagnetic pulse), either from a nuclear weapon or from extreme solar activity.
• A must-read e-mail exchange between Bill Ryan from Project Camelot and the wife of a senior UK electrical engineer, in which she reports that her husband had just received notice of impending catastrophic failure of global electrical systems in 2012-13.
• An excellent summary article by Dr Michael Salla on the problem of possibly imminent solar superstorms.
• Click here and here for two important papers on solar activity by James Marusek (2007 and 2009).
• A US Army technical manual, cleared for public release, on safeguarding electrical systems against various kinds of electrical interference. Chapter 5 (p.130) discusses risks from electromagnetic pulses.

Economic collapse:

• A must-read article by economist Al Martin: PROTOCOLS FOR ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IN AMERICA. It was written in 2004, so the first 4 pages can be skipped. Start reading at the top of page 5.
• A must-read final chapter of the book AFTERSHOCK by economist Robert Wiedemer, predicting catastrophic economic collapse in 2012. This unpublished chapter was so hard-hitting that the publishers actually omitted it from several editions of the book.
  
  

[Hervé]

From: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/25-signs-the-collapse-of-america-is-speeding-up-as-society-rots-from-the-inside-out


25 Signs The Collapse Of America Is Speeding Up As Society Rots From The Inside Out

The problems that America is experiencing right now are not just confined to the field of economics. The truth is that there are signs of deep decay wherever we look, and without question the United States is rotting from the inside out in thousands of different ways. For a long time our debt-fueled prosperity has masked much of the social decay that has been festering underneath the surface, but now it is becoming increasingly apparent that the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted is beginning to disappear. For many Americans, it is easy to point a finger at a particular group or political party and blame them for all of our problems, but the reality of the matter is that our societal decay cuts across all income levels, all political affiliations and all regions of the country. We are being destroyed from within, and this decay can be seen on the streets of the most dilapidated sections of major U.S. cities and it can also be seen in the halls of power in Washington D.C. and on Wall Street. It is undeniable that something has fundamentally changed. The American people do not seem to possess the same level of character that they once had. So where do we go from here?

The following are 25 signs the collapse of America is speeding up as society rots from the inside out....

1. Homicides in Chicago are 38 percent ahead of where they were last year at this time. In fact, the Daily says that "homicide victims in the Windy City outnumber U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan this year". Things are taking a turn for the worse in other major U.S. cities as well. Just check out the carnage that happened in New York City this past Friday night....

Across barely eight hours, at least seven New Yorkers were murdered and another 21 shot, stabbed or slashed across the city — with only three suspects arrested before the blood stopped flowing

2. Speaking of New York City, a teacher there recently posted the following on her Facebook page....

“Crupi and I survived a shootout today…Thank God we are ok…To all the wanna be gangstas of Staten Island (who say they are from Brooklyn but really aren’t), be grateful you have what you have and stop trying to live a lifestyle you will never understand.”

About a week later, her husband discovered her dead in a pool of her own blood in their apartment. She had been stabbed numerous times.

3. Reporter James Carlini recently discussed the growing problems that roaming gangs of youths are causing along the Magnificent Mile in Chicago....

There is an increase in problems at night with small gangs roaming around looking for the right prey.
Don't bother looking for any cops, they are far and few between. Little perfume-size pepper spray canisters may be in vogue, politically correct and fit in a purse, but they are not practical. Forget about pepper spray, you'd need a gallon jug of it to stop five or six assailants.
Do you now need a .357 Magnum to walk down the Mag Mile? Maybe a compact .45 or a high-capacity 9MM “just to be on the safe side” is more what you should have. Even the police are telling each other that they better “carry large caliber” off-duty and not be caught unarmed.

4. Down in Florida, a lifeguard named Tomas Lopez was recently fired for attempting to saving a man that was drowning "outside his patrol zone"....

Lopez, 21, was hired by Jeff Ellis Management to monitor a portion of a public beach in Hallandale Beach, Fla. The company allegedly gave Lopez strict instructions to stay inside his patrol zone, ABC News reports.
But when Lopez spotted a man in distress outside his patrol zone Monday afternoon, he ignored those instructions and leapt into action.
By the time lifeguard Tomas Lopez got to the man, other bystanders had already pulled him to shore, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reports. Lopez stayed with the man until paramedics arrived.
That valiant act was Lopez's last as a lifeguard, as his employer fired him for straying 1,500 feet outside his patrol zone.

5. Authorities say that thieves are stealing identities and filing fraudulent tax returns on a scale never seen before....

With nothing more than ledgers of stolen identity information — Social Security numbers and their corresponding names and birth dates — criminals have electronically filed thousands of false tax returns with made-up incomes and withholding information and have received hundreds of millions of dollars in wrongful refunds, law enforcement officials say.
The criminals, some of them former drug dealers, outwit the Internal Revenue Service by filing a return before the legitimate taxpayer files. Then the criminals receive the refund, sometimes by check but more often though a convenient but hard-to-trace prepaid debit card.

In all, the IRS says that there were approximately 940,000 fake tax returns filed for 2010.

6. U.S. Secret Service agents are supposed to be "the best of the best" and are charged with guarding our top public officials. But even they have exhibited a consistent pattern of moral decay for many years according to one recent report....

Secret Service agents and officers have been accused of leaking sensitive information, publishing porn, sexual assaults, illegal wiretaps, embezzlement and drunkenness on duty, according to a 229-page log released yesterday.

After a prostitution scandal in April, when agents consorted with hookers while preparing for President Obama’s arrival in Colombia, Service Director Mark Sullivan apologized. But he said it was an isolated case, not a “systemic issue.”

However, the log, which the Service Service released yesterday after news organizations requested it under the Freedom of Information Act, shows a pattern of misdeeds dating back to 2003.

7. These days thieves will steal just about anything that is not bolted down and that they can sell for money. For example, three thieves recently broke into a Chicago beauty supply store and took off with hair extensions that were worth a total of $230,000.

8. Up in Minnesota, thieves are stealing Bronze Stars from hundreds of military graves, and down in Fresno, California thieves have actually been stealing metal crosses from churches.

9. According to one shocking new report, one out of every 10 Wall Street employees is a "clinical psychopath". That is a rate about 10 times higher than the general population.

10. Even many police are going crazy these days. Over in Seattle, police zapped a pregnant woman with a taser three times just because she refused to sign a ticket.
11. Down in California, one man recently sliced off the ear of another man with a knife over an unpaid debt.

12. These days we are seeing senseless crimes being committed even in small towns in the heartland of America. Just check out what happened in Helena, Montana about a week ago....

Helena Police are working to identify two young men after what they call a random act of violence over the weekend. Helena Police found a 40-year-old homeless man badly beaten in an alley behind the Gold Bar around 2 a.m. Sunday morning.

Helena Police Detective Sergeant Richard Drysdale states,” The video shows two white males surrounding the victim as he was entering the walkway yelling at him and then knocking him down to the ground where they beat and kicked him until he was unconscious.”

You can find a video report about this incident right here.

13. One town in Connecticut was forced to shut down a beautiful new public fountain because too many people were using it as a toilet.

14. According to one very shocking study, the percentage of U.S. households that contain a married couple with children has fallen from 44.3% in 1960 to 20.2% today.

15. A huge brawl between parents erupted during one recent preschool graduation ceremony down in the Los Angeles area.

16. We continue to see "mob robberies" at retail establishments all over the nation. During one recent mob robbery in Detroit, thugs beat the living daylights out of one very unfortunate stock clerk.

17. Speaking of Detroit, nobody is immune to the spreading violence in that city. For example, just check out what happened recently to a 22-year-old pregnant woman....

A 22-year-old pregnant woman survived after being bound, driven to Detroit, set on fire and shot early Saturday morning.

The woman, who was nine-months pregnant, had returned from a movie with her boyfriend and dropped him off at his house in Warren when she was approached from behind, Warren police Sgt. Dave Geffert said.

The woman's hands, feet and eyes were bound with duct tape. She was then forced into her car and driven to an unknown place in Detroit where she was doused with lighter fluid, set on fire and shot once in the upper back, he said.

18. Many families returned to their homes following the recent wildfires in Colorado only to discover that their houses had been robbed and looted.

19. One 33-year-old art teacher in Arizona was not satisfied with only having sex with one of her students. In fact, police have charged her with having sex with four of her male students.

20. Down in Florida, one man has actually been charged with biting the lips off of a kitten.

21. Over in Waco, Texas a 22-year-old man recently strangled and ate the family dog while he was high on drugs.

22. Of course most of us have heard of the recent outbreak of "zombie attacks" around the nation where criminals have actually been biting their victims and chewing their flesh. The following is another example of this phenomenon from a recent case in central New York....

A synthetic drug known as “bath salts” is blamed for some bizarre behavior in central New York.

The Utica Observer-Dispatch reports that police officers were called to Stanley’s Bar Saturday night to check out a woman described as emotionally disturbed. When an officer approached her, she lunged at him and tried to bite his face. Police say she screamed that she wanted to “kill someone and eat them.”

The woman was taken to St. Luke’s Memorial Hospital for a mental health evaluation.

Another very disturbing "zombie incident" took place down in Georgia recently....

Karl Laventure, 21, was believed to be high on bath salts when he tried to attack the officers in Lilburn, Georgia.

And after they had managed to subdue him he began threatening to eat them.

Laventure appeared out of some woods and was seen running naked around a golf range near Atlanta, swinging a club around his head and screaming.

Police said that it took several officers to subdue the man who had 'super-human strength'.

23. All over America, people seem to be losing their minds. Just check out what one man in New Jersey did recently when police arrived at his home....

Officers got a call that morning when a witness said Carter was threatening to harm himself with a knife. Two cops responded, kicked in the door and found Carter in the corner, the station reported.
Carter allegedly ignored officers' orders to put down the knife, and instead began stabbing himself in the abdomen, neck and legs.
An attempt to pepper spray the bleeding man had no effect, the Associated Press reported.

That's when Carter -- disemboweled but responsive -- reportedly threw bits of his skin and intestines at the officers.

24. One woman in the St. Louis area was recently caught cooking meth in her purse inside a Wal-Mart store.

25. Anyone that believes that slavery has been abolished in America does not know what they are talking about. Every single night sex slaves are being horribly abused all over the United States. The following is from a recent Daily Mail article....

The FBI has rescued 79 teens held against their will and forced into prostitution from hotels, truck stops and stores during a three-day swoop on sex-trafficking rings across the country.

The sex slaves were aged between 13 and 17, although one said she had been involved in prostitution since she was just 11, authorities said.
During the sting operations across 57 U.S. cities - including Atlanta, Sacramento and Toledo, Ohio - 104 alleged pimps were arrested.

It is estimated that "100,000 children are victims of prostitution and trafficking each year" in the United States.

Are you starting to get the picture?

Sadly, there are dozens and dozens more examples like these. If you want to see more examples of how the collapse of America is speeding up, check out these articles that I recently published....

"70 Reasons To Mourn For America"

"20 Signs That Society Is Breaking Down And That America Has Been Overrun By Psychos"

The frightening thing is that this breakdown of our society is happening at the same time that our economy is completely falling to pieces.

This economic decline that we are experiencing is shredding the middle class and it is plunging millions of Americans into very desperate circumstances. The following is a brief excerpt from a recent Rolling Stone article....

Every night around nine, Janis Adkins falls asleep in the back of her Toyota Sienna van in a church parking lot at the edge of Santa Barbara, California. On the van’s roof is a black Yakima SpaceBooster, full of previous-life belongings like a snorkel and fins and camping gear. Adkins, who is 56 years old, parks the van at the lot’s remotest corner, aligning its side with a row of dense, shading avocado trees. The trees provide privacy, but they are also useful because she can pick their fallen fruit, and she doesn’t always­ have enough to eat. Despite a continuous, two-year job search, she remains without dependable work. She says she doesn’t need to eat much – if she gets a decent hot meal in the morning, she can get by for the rest of the day on a piece of fruit or bulk-purchased almonds – but food stamps supply only a fraction of her nutritional needs, so foraging opportunities are welcome.

Prior to the Great Recession, Adkins owned and ran a successful plant nursery in Moab, Utah. At its peak, it was grossing $300,000 a year. She had never before been unemployed – she’d worked for 40 years, through three major recessions.

You can read the rest of the article right here.

What would you do if you were in a similar situation?

Sadly, many more Americans will end up just like her. As I wrote about the other day, the U.S. economy is not going to be able to produce enough jobs for everyone anymore. In fact, the overall employment picture is going to keep getting worse for working Americans.

Things have gotten so bad that even many very highly educated scientists cannot find jobs in America right now. Almost everybody is hurting, and we haven't even gotten to the next wave of the economic collapse yet.

The next time that there is a major spike in the unemployment rate, millions of Americans will lose all hope and will become very desperate.

And desperate people do desperate things.

The rot and decay that we are witnessing right now is just the beginning.
Things are going to get a lot worse.

So let us hope for the best, but let us also prepare for the worst.

[Rocky_Shorz]

the drought has already hit the Corn yield by 17%, gas is getting cheaper, as a society we should have a vote to save food for people and animals, not to burn in cars...

[noxon medem]

United States ( a joke ? )
USA have alot of unrattled skeletons
in the closed , 11.september 2001 is
not the only one ...

If something smells rotten, have a look
around in your house .

And Be Well, All .

nm

[Bill Ryan]

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[LarryC]

<< 25 Signs The Collapse Of America Is Speeding Up As Society Rots From The Inside Out >>

This whole thread is taking on a "Post Your Worst, Scariest Doom-And-Gloom Scenario" feel, but the above is a perfect example of how you can pick and choose what to pay attention to. Picking out violent and shocking incidents that have occurred around the country doesn't really tell us anything, and it's the typical tactic used by the mainstream media. The TV news, for those smart enough to avoid it, always starts out with a story about a fire, accident or violent crime.

As for the various cataclysmic possibilities, I find it interesting how people who demand rock solid proof when it comes to good things happening seem eager to embrace the word of every supposed whistleblower who promises something horrific.

I cannot deny the possibility of catastrophe, but I don't focus on it as a rule. Our present 3D existence is mortal by definition, so if I end up dying because of a mega earthquake or tsunami, a collision with Planet X, at the hands of cloned NWO soldiers or the poles shifting rather than in a car crash or by some commonplace disease, so be it. Our real existence transcends our bodies, and to devote ones life to focusing on worst case scenarios seems like a waste.

[Cidersomerset]

The Corn Is Dying All Over America






All over America the corn is dying. If drought conditions persist in the middle part of the country, wheat and soybeans will be next. Weeks of intense heat combined with extraordinarily dry conditions have brought many U.S. corn farmers to the brink of total disaster. If there is not significant rainfall soon, many farmers will be financially ruined. This period of time is particularly important for corn because this is when pollination is supposed to happen. But the unprecedented heat and the extremely dry conditions are playing havoc with that process. With each passing day things get even worse. We have seen the price of a bushel of corn soar 41 percent since June 14th. That is an astounding rise. You may not eat much corn directly, but it is important to realize that corn or corn syrup is just about in everything these days. Just look at your food labels. In the United States today, approximately 75 percent of all processed foods contain corn. So a huge rise in the price of corn is going to be felt all over the supermarket. Corn is also widely used to feed livestock, and if this crisis continues we are going to see a significant rise in meat and dairy prices as well. Food prices in America have already been rising at a steady pace, and so this is definitely not welcome news.

The weather conditions in the middle part of the country during the last couple of months have been highly unusual. The following is from a recent article in the Los Angeles Times....

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...l-over-america

I saw this article yesterday



Its ironic we are going thru the wettest 'drought' in history over here !!

Is it just wierd weather or is something else going on ?

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)


25 Signs The Collapse Of America Is Speeding Up As Society Rots From The Inside Out

This is true, America is imploding. I expect when she finally goes down, she will go down very hard. This is certainly not the time for faint hearts and wobbly knees. It may get very messy, and I don't look forward to it.

There is also an undercurrent of energy flowing, like a Zero Point energy. It is an ancient, and long dormant energy. I maintain that this energy, and I'm sure many of you can "feel" it, is the underpinning of what we know as reality.

These big bad people with their space ships, secret bases, and fortified hideaways, tremble at the very thought of this.

The Natural Law of the universe is based on allowance, not force. I'm telling you right now, this NWO cannot be fought, and it cannot be outplanned, this fails every time it's tried. That's employing force, and force is their game, it's their baby. Either we tap into this undercurrent of Energy, and Allow for the highest possible outcome, or folks, we're going for another spin on the old merry go round.

Fred's idle thoughts on this rainy Florida evening anyway.

Cheers Bill, and Cheers All,
Fred

[mattymoto]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

Have you noticed on a clear day the sky looks a bit different I see small points of bright white light in the sky. Not cosmic rays (streaks) it is something else a can't quite put my finger on it.

Its been difficult to see any blue sky over here for the last few months with all the rain and clouds.....I have noticed less chemtrails since Christmas overall, but difficult to confirm
because of the cloud cover...I have not noticed the streaks but thats not to say they are not there...

This Fair Lady we are a part of, and living on, is going to have the final say in this matter. She's the insider who I'm paying attention to, so therefore, as the Hopi prophecy states: "This can be a good time".

Cheers All,
Fred

This is supposed to be a great time !! ....Out of the ashes the Phoenix rises !!


12:21PM BST 15 Jun 2009







Phoenix crop circle may predict end of the world

Crop circle experts believe the latest pattern to be discovered, a phoenix rising from the flames in Wiltshire, may give a warning about the end of the world.


The 400-foot design was discovered in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes and depicts the mythical phoenix reborn as it rises from the ashes.


Investigators claim more formations are referencing the possibility of a cataclysmic event occurring on December 21, 2012, which coincides with the end of the ancient Mayan calendar.


The Mayans believed civilisation exists within a series of earth cycles of 144,000 days each with the 13th expiring in December 2012, resulting in Armageddon.


Crop circle enthusiast Karen Alexander, from Gosport, Hants, said: "The phoenix is a mythical creature which symbolises rebirth and a new era in many cultures across the world.


"Within the crop circle community many believe the designs are constantly referring to December 21 and its aftermath.




"This could be interpreted as the human race or earth rising again after a monumental event.

"The patterns are becoming more intricate with every find and it is exciting to think how they are going to evolve by the time we get to 2012."

Recent crop circles have included giant jelly-fish and one image discovered in Wiltshire in June which experts dubbed the most 'mind boggling' they had ever come across.

The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

The 400-foot design was discovered in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes and depicts the mythical phoenix reborn as it rises from the ashes.


Investigators claim more formations are referencing the possibility of a cataclysmic event occurring on December 21, 2012, which coincides with the end of the ancient Mayan calendar.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...the-world.html

This CC looks a little to creepily familiar to the Nazi eagle to me. Cue the eerie music.

[Cidersomerset]

Yeh it does a bit....There was some speculation it might represent a Sumarian zoroaster symble !!

[mattymoto]

I would suggest to the investigation that these are "cabal" symbols. I feel that the origins of said cabal go back thousands of years.

[Wind]

People should remember that this is not about survival. That's what the cabal believes.

It's about evolution.

[Cidersomerset]

People should remember that this is not about survival. That's what the cabal believes.

It's about evolution.

Thats exactly what ion material is all about , we will soon find out if there is anytruth to all this
speculation....In the meantime this is much better than watching soaps & MSM
programming.....& more educational.... imho...LOL..

[greybeard]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
People should remember that this is not about survival. That's what the cabal believes.

It's about evolution.

Yes about changing the mind to focus on what's really important.
Your "personal" vibration is all important.
In raising your own consciousness you do every one a favour as it raises the collective.
It is all about evolution of consciousness.
In or out of body---alive or so called dead we will survive.
The information in the thread is good but when you know you are not the body its not scary its just of interest.

Chris

[Beren]

Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

[Christine]

Posted by LarryC (here)

I cannot deny the possibility of catastrophe, but I don't focus on it as a rule. Our resent 3D existence is mortal by definition, so if I end up dying because of a mega earthquake or tsunami, a collision with Planet X, at the hands of cloned NWO soldiers or the poles shifting rather than in a car crash or by some commonplace disease, so be it. Our real existence transcends our bodies, and to devote ones life to focusing on worst case scenarios seems like a waste.

Hello Larry,

From another point of view which I am sure you will understand. It is a question of balance of perceptions and perhaps better said a fullness of perception. If we do not call these events out into the open "they" go quietly about the business of destruction. It is only by confronting our reality, here and now, and the act of doing that will make a difference to the greater collective.

The "I'm going to die anyway" attitude does not help. Yes, our REAL existence does transcend our body but have you considered that the dark forces we are dealing with are so evil that they want to take away or destroy THAT existence? Our immortal eternal existence. There is so much we do not know.

The beauty and benefit of this forum is the collection of thoughts, ideas and intelligence that is seeking to see the whole (holistic, holographic) picture. We are all adding to this every time we post.

I know we can become demoralized and some time just plain lazy with our thoughts and beliefs. It is work to be on the front line of consciousness and we still have lots of ground to cover. Question all beliefs... we are mining for gold.

Thanks for listening.

La Tigra

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by Beren (here)
Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

I'm not disagreeing with what Beren expresses here. However, for me it's not so much about the body, for we all know the body must die sooner or later. I feel there's a much larger issue at stake.

If millions or billions of people were to die in a major catastrophe, most of them would die in utter terror. What happens to a being when they die in a state of terror? What types of entities are created in such a state?

The harvesting of these frightened souls by "them" is the thought that concerns me the most.

[Christine]

Posted by Beren (here)
Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...

No the body is not the pinnacle of life... and yet we all have one.

When you say that the message of Christ was simply that we have choice you are only stating a semi-truth. He was persecuted for trying to get the message out to the masses. His mission and message was to help humanity wake up and remember their origins and return to their "place in heaven".

Our current history is that force of the whole cabal is directed at keeping us from discovering and obtaining that knowledge. If it were a simple choice we would not be where we are today. It is a type of arrogance to say that we either choose another reality or wallow in the mire... it leaves out so many realities.

I do not feel fear in this thread - hard shocking information yes.

If it provokes any one of us to further action, further thought, further investigation, further consciousness then we are one step closer to changing our collective world.

La Tigra

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by La Tigra (here)

I do not feel fear in this thread - hard shocking information yes.

If it provokes any one of us to further action, further thought, further investigation, further consciousness then we are one step closer to changing our collective world.

La Tigra

Right -- this is exactly the point.

[MiguelQ]

If elites go to bunker, then, they get saved.. correct
But what is the after-event? Assuming the outside will go wild and crazy, and many will die.. assume everyone dies...
then, when they return, if they do, ... whos gonna work for them.. because we people are the slaves, giving them the money to construct such structures..

And i dont assume they dont need money, otherwise they would not need funding and money from us ("the slaves") ... so they must depend on us..
but if they kill us, then, they will be killed after the event because "they are too elite, to become slaves for their on elite members.." since someone has to do the job..

Are they planning to live with 5million habitants or so? will there be a money currency too? thats things i dont see clear...
there must be something missing...