From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

[vortexpoint]

I noticed a few days ago an upcoming scifi film from the director/writer of District 9 Neill Blomkamp called "Elysium", which has a plot that reminds me of this Thread.

In the year 2159 two classes of people exist: the very wealthy who live on a pristine man-made space station called Elysium, and the rest, who live on an overpopulated, ruined Earth. Secretary Rhodes, a government official, will stop at nothing to enforce anti-immigration laws and preserve the luxurious lifestyle of the citizens of Elysium. That doesn't stop the people of Earth from trying to get in, by any means they can. When unlucky Max is backed into a corner, he agrees to take on a daunting mission that if successful will not only save his life, but could bring equality to these polarized worlds.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/

So this is a story where the Earth is ruined and the elite has moved off-planet. Where do they get these ideas?

Trailer:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-cYgf6WyGA

Ps. Maybe it's far fetched but this photo in the imdb reminds me of chemtrails

[Operator]

Posted by vortexpoint (here)
I noticed a few days ago an upcoming scifi film from the director/writer of District 9 Neill Blomkamp called "Elysium", which has a plot that reminds me of this Thread.

In the year 2159 two classes of people exist: the very wealthy who live on a pristine man-made space station called Elysium, and the rest, who live on an overpopulated, ruined Earth. Secretary Rhodes, a government official, will stop at nothing to enforce anti-immigration laws and preserve the luxurious lifestyle of the citizens of Elysium. That doesn't stop the people of Earth from trying to get in, by any means they can. When unlucky Max is backed into a corner, he agrees to take on a daunting mission that if successful will not only save his life, but could bring equality to these polarized worlds.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/

I always wonder ... if these guys are in the know then why make a movie that will come out in the theaters on march 1, 2013 if it is
also expected that by that time the earth changes are full blown happening ?

Just an observation.

[vortexpoint]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by vortexpoint (here)
I noticed a few days ago an upcoming scifi film from the director/writer of District 9 Neill Blomkamp called "Elysium", which has a plot that reminds me of this Thread.

In the year 2159 two classes of people exist: the very wealthy who live on a pristine man-made space station called Elysium, and the rest, who live on an overpopulated, ruined Earth. Secretary Rhodes, a government official, will stop at nothing to enforce anti-immigration laws and preserve the luxurious lifestyle of the citizens of Elysium. That doesn't stop the people of Earth from trying to get in, by any means they can. When unlucky Max is backed into a corner, he agrees to take on a daunting mission that if successful will not only save his life, but could bring equality to these polarized worlds.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/

I always wonder ... if these guys are in the know then why make a movie that will come out in the theaters on march 1, 2013 if it is
also expected that by that time the earth changes are full blown happening ?

Just an observation.

There's different levels of "in the know". Some may know just general agendas while somebody else knows something more specific. There are probably a lot of plans but in the end of the day, no one really knows what will happen since there are too many variables and too much uncertainty.

[Carmody]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of Bill Ryan's comment #658.

Yes, of course, Bill.

I failed to mention Richard Dolan in my comment #656. Thank you for pointing that out.

Here's a link to even further confirmation of a 'Break-Away Civilization' from Dr. Joseph Ferrell's book, "Reich of the Black Sun", Chapter 15 - "THE PHOENIX RISES: THE BORMANN PLAN":

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so.../chapter15.htm

As one can see this Break-Away Civilization has its roots all the way back into the New World Order of the Third Reich.

It is also necessary to note that the very same banking cartel which financed the Nazis into power were those who continue to control the world economies, to this very day, and are the primary force behind this alleged Break-Away Civilization.

I'm convinced everything we see on the public forum is simply smoke-and-mirrors to conceal the real agenda - simply more hyperbola for the Hegelian Dialectic.

I've read all of that series of books by Joseph,and they do indeed spell a complex but convincing bit of a story. For those who have not read any of his works, the detail in the books, the back-stories, origins, sources, etc...is exemplary.

His latest in this series, one that ties it all together, is (have I listed this on the forum somewhere already?):

Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops: A History of A Breakaway Civilization: Hidden Aerospace Technologies and Psychological Operations

Oxford-educated historian Farrell continues his best-selling book series on suppressed technology, Nazi survival and the postwar psyops with his new book Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops. Farrell discusses SS Commando Otto Skorzeny; George Adamski; the alleged Hannebu and Vril craft of the Third Reich; The Strange Case of Dr. Hermann Oberth; Nazis in the US and their connections to "UFO contactees;” The Memes-an idea or behavior spread from person to person within a culture-are Implants; Adamski's ET Message: The Danger of Weaponized Gravity; and tons more. What do the following things have in common: George Adamski, Fascists, Nazi scientists, American engineers, the CIA, the Wall Street Morgan interests, I.G. Farben, ITT, SS Commando Otto Skorzeny, the post-war Nazi International, American Intelligence and the Mafia Drug Lords? Answer: they are all components of a "breakaway civilization” seeking to protect its control over advanced technologies and to project itself into outer space while waging a covert war here on earth with the same advanced technologies-and the rest of humanity be damned. Join internationally-known researcher Joseph P. Farrell in this next chapter in his expose of secret Nazi wartime and postwar research that he began in The SS Brotherhood of the Bell and Nazi International.

The problem for most folks, is that the understanding of these sorts of technologies is simply not there, so they are having to deal with the core points in an abstract way. Ie, that magic and science in this case, are both so far away in capacity to reach..that they both look like some form of near magic.

The idea that only aliens would be responsible for such things and that humans could not do so on their own..originally..is not there.

Which is emphatically.... NOT TRUE.

i have a friend I work with, invention wise. He's got a few more years on me, so every now and then, I get some sage advice. One point is that he tells me to be careful what I share, even within the scope of what is possible or that something CAN be done. That people, once aware of even a possibility..once aware... they very likely WILL find a solution, answer, or they will find and follow the same logic path that I may have committed to. And they WILL get there. This, in his experience as an inventor, and a historian.

One must preface this entire subject, with at least a 6000 year deep hidden history of alchemy, which includes some VERY potent aspects of extreme human development, in the sense of intelligence and capacity. this includes hardware, ie physical devices. They don't need to be complex in execution (parts counts, parts types, and materials), as different designs of pyramids excel at showing that 'simple' works very very well, thank you very much. It is the idea and execution that is behind or within the given device...that is what is critical.


To conclude, in a bit of a jump, logically..I'm telling you right now, that I do NOT need alien technology to create all the speculated hardware, meta-materials, alloys, crystals, over-unity, room temperature superconductors, yellowbook, looking glass, anti-gravity (seemingly), and so on.

However, at this time, it is practically a death sentence to make any attempt in these areas. See Wade Frazier's thread for details. All the technology is HERE, NOW..in the public domain and of course, in the fringe science (and mainstream!) literature and sum total group.....but not allowed into the public arena as any sort of a finished item.

It is unassembled, but ....all the parts are on the table.

Enough clues are lying about that an intelligent person can now move into all these areas.

This, within written text that exists in the world today, and.... if intelligence and discernment is applied.

I don't think I'm unique, either. I think that more and more folks are getting there, each day.

Just the other day, I saw some of the key points for the creation of room temperature superconductors..finally 'hit the streets' as it where, regarding published articles in 'cutting edge' research. They don't know that the key points are in the work they've produced and brought forth..but it is explicitly right there in front of them..they just have to make the leap.

The reason I can say this, is that the answer is simple and universal. All of that stuff comes into existence in one or two simple ideas as expression into what matter/space/time are... and how they can be manipulated or shifted. That's it.

Scientifically, mathematically..where the 'break' happened:

From Tom Bearden's website.

Heaviside's Mutilation of Maxwell's Theory
Well after Maxwell's death, Oliver Heaviside helped to finalize what is today vector analysis.
Then he undertook to "translate" Maxwell's theory from quaternion form to the new vector mathematics form.
Now quaternions were devilishly difficult to calculate in. So much so, that a majority of the electrical scientists (there were not very many of them in those days!) were in despair.
Not to worry! Heaviside took a broadax, figuratively speaking, and simply chopped off the scalar term, leaving only the vector components.
With that artifice, he greatly simplified the calculations to be performed.
Of course, he also threw away the EM stress of spacetime! That is, he threw away the "gravitation" part of Maxwell's theory!
Let me stress this fact most strongly. After Maxwell's death a single man - Oliver Heaviside - directly altered Maxwell's equations, eliminating localized electrogravitation and producing the form of the theory taught throughout the West today as "Maxwell's theory."
Maxwell's theory has never been taught in Western universities! Only Heaviside's crippled subset of the theory has been taught!

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Therefore in our mathematical theory we ought to have a scalar component remaining when two EM vectors interact to form an EM vector zero resultant. That scalar component represents what is happening in the 5-potential, that will only bleed into 3-gravity.
With exploration of this phenomenology in the laboratory, one can work out the functions, constants, coefficients, and parameters which specify how the "5-G to 3-G and vice versa" component works in conjunction with mass, motion, and other fields.

That's the magic secret of electrogravitation.

It was captured inherently by the quaternion theory of Maxwell published during the American Civil War!
After Maxwell's death, when the scalar portion of the quaternion was discarded (by Oliver Heaviside) to form "modern" EM theory, that also discarded the unified field interaction between electromagnetics and gravitation.

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(Note that there were reports of fantastical flying machines near/after the time of the Civil War in the USA.)
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Thus, a little over a decade later when Einstein wrote his general relativity theory , he did not know that the original work of Maxwell already indicated the unification of gravitation and electromagnetics, and indicated the ease with which local spacetime could be electrogravitationally curved locally and engineered.
Accordingly, he placed the scientists of the West on a road which rigorously assumed that a unified field theory was yet to be discovered. It also strongly discouraged any experimentation aimed at curving local spacetime, for it assumed that such could not be done.

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(Einstein is said to have gone to the USSR in 1927, at a mathematical conference, and introduced a finished, engineerable..unified field theory.)
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After Potsdam and World War II, a frustrated Stalin was to drive his scientists to review the entire scientific literature of the Western world, actively seeking a great new technical breakthrough area such as the Allies had demonstrated with the development and use of the atomic bomb.
Great Soviet institutes - one staffed, for example, with over 2,000 PhD's - were set up to thoroughly review all the Western scientific literature from its very beginning. Anything interesting, anomalous, or unknown was put aside for further examination.
It is a good bet that the meticulous Soviet scientists discovered the difference between Maxwell's original electromagnetic theory and Heaviside's mutilation of it. Great mathematicians that they are, Soviet scientists would have realized the implications of the difference. With their knowledge of unlimited general relativity, they would have made the connection to electrogravitation.
By 1950 they had indeed done so, and were deeply into the development of what they called "energetics", and I have called scalar electromagnetics.

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I've said before, that to my investigations in the early 1990's..the full original works of Maxwell..where available..for a princely fee of at least $5000...IF..you could find a seller. That's how difficult it was to find these original unedited works (Maxwell's ORIGINAL first publication).
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Further reading and full mathematical extrapolations.

http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/c...l%27s%20Theory

[Amzer Zo]

To complement Carmody's post above, something I originally posted here: Tesla-Maxwell-JP Morgan and the suppression of free energy.



A short background tapestry by Tom Bearden on the scheme of the “big” picture:



[...]

Tesla’s backer was J. P. Morgan, who also became involved with Edison, consolidating with an Edison company to form General Electric. Rockefeller was moving in the fuel area, such as oil.

Morgan saw that, if Tesla had his way, suddenly much of Morgan’s emerging empire would be devastated, because the fool Tesla was speaking of eliminating burning of fuel.


[...]


The followings are excerpts from Tom Bearden letters to various publications, notably the “Energy daily”:

Dear Energy Daily,

I don’t see anything of real interest in your publication; just the standard stuff. You don’t really have a single writer who understands the cause of the world energy crisis, what really caused it in 1892, and what to do about it. And you are probably not going to have such a writer.

Put it this way. We’ve had group theory in our universities since 1870. One who gets a doctorate in physics will know some group theory, whereas our electrical engineers normally will not, even with a doctorate. Ugh! So what has group theory (and lack of knowledge of it by our electrical power engineers) got to do with the world energy crisis? The answer is, “Everything!”

Maxwell’s theory is a higher group theory electrodynamics. It was never adopted in the universities, because folks at the time hated those bloody quaternions with a passion, even though Maxwell loved them. Why -- electricians would say -- the poor electricians are lucky if they have had university algebra and calculus, without such a horrendous mess as quaternions! Since there were less than three dozen “electricians” (what we would call “electrodynamicists”) in the world’s universities at the time, then that attitude and reception doomed Maxwell’s actual theory – which is some 20 quaternion and quaternion-like equations in 20 unknowns. You can do LOTS of things in Maxwell’s original theory that are absolutely impossible in the highly curtailed electrical engineering model.

Maxwell died of stomach cancer in 1879, with his theory never adopted. Immediately some scientists jumped in and tore those terrible quaternions apart – notably Heaviside (brilliant, but never even attended university; he merely bought books and learned himself), Hertz, and Gibbs.

When what is today known as “electrical engineering” was then first being painfully contrived and formed there in the 1880s etc., and was not yet even born, they took Heaviside’s highly restricted vector equations (NOT Maxwell’s quaternion theory) as the basis for the new “electrical engineering” model.

Note that, at the time, Tesla destroyed the vast DC electric power empire being promoted by Edison backed by J. P. Morgan. Backed by Westinghouse, Tesla waltzed in and installed far more practical AC generators at Niagara Falls, much cheaper than Morgan and Edison proposed for their DC generators, and the world found that AC power could be transmitted down long transmissions lines very practically. One did not have to build a huge expensive DC power plant every 10 to 20 miles! Thereafter the world flipped over and went with AC power.

So that buried Morgan’s grandiose plans for a vast DC power financial empire. An embittered Morgan vowed to utterly destroy Tesla as his mortal enemy. That he did, and he also financially destroyed Westinghouse, Tesla’s backer. At that point he had set the trap for Tesla. To complete his grandiose plans, Tesla had only J. P. Morgan available to finance him. So Tesla came with hat in hand to Morgan, and the wily Morgan forced him to sign over 51% of all his inventions, in return for financing him. And he deliberately only gave Tesla half the money required, which doomed Tesla to failure because of he simply ran out of funds. Tesla – the greatest inventor of the 18th and 19th centuries – was then reduced to living in a little hotel room essentially on charity of his friends etc.

Before the full transpiration of all that, other factors developed behind the scenes. That fool Tesla (who gave us AC power, the rotating magnetic field that makes generators possible, and also gave us radio and many other things) had discovered that the “medium itself was active” – and he was hell-bent on producing free energy systems and giving them to the world. So in Morgan’s view, Tesla had to be stopped at any cost. J. P. Morgan set up the plan that did destroy Tesla, and he directed his science advisors to also examine those newfangled Heaviside equations and see if they still contained any of those confounded “energy freely from the active medium” systems that Tesla was pursuing so vigorously and planned to freely give to the world.

Morgan’s science advisors did a simple group theoretical analysis of the Heaviside vector equations, and it showed that the Heaviside original equations still contained some of those asymmetric Maxwellian EM systems – the kind that Tesla had discovered that would accept and use excess EM energy freely taken from the active vacuum (in modern physics terms) itself.

So Morgan coldly ordered his scientists to “Fix it!”

Lorentz – a great scientist but also a sharpie noted for appropriating other people’s work and taking credit for it – was the one preparing the equations to be used as the theoretical model for the new “electrical engineering” that was to be launched in the universities slowly but uniformly. To see that Lorentz was “approachable”, the reader is referred to J. D. Jackson and L. B. Okun, "Historical roots of gauge invariance," Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol. 73, July 2001, p. 663-680. Okun and the great electrodynamicist Jackson discuss the roots and history of gauge invariance, verify that Ludwig Lorenz (without the “t”) first symmetrically regauged Maxwell's equations, although it has been misattributed to H. A. Lorentz (with the “t”) as being first. Lorentz simply took Lorenz’s symmetrization of the equations and used it and took credit for it. This is an excellent coverage of the history of who did what and when, and who got credit for it.

So Morgan’s science advisors got to Lorentz, and he easily “solved Morgan’s problem”. He simply regauged the original Heaviside equations to make them symmetrical (using Lorenz’s symmetrization but using the work as his own), thereby quite arbitrarily tossing out all self-powering and COP>1.0 energy-from-the-vacuum electrical systems from the modified (symmetrized) Heaviside equations. He did this little beauty in 1892; specific reference can be furnished.

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Then Morgan got another shock. That fool Heaviside (who was one of the two men who first advanced the flow of energy through space -- before that time it did not appear in the notions of physics) also discovered that every generator and other EM power source already pours out from its terminals, into space surrounding and along the external conductors, a fantastically huge stream of real EM energy in peculiar form – in a curled form which (in any special relativity situation) cannot be diverged into the wires to power up the electrons. This is in addition to the feeble little Poynting component which does get diverged into the wiring and does power up the circuit.

Well, again Morgan fumed furiously. If our future young EE’s in all our universities were to be taught that every generator already pours out more than a trillion times as much EM energy flow as the mechanical energy we pay to crank into the shaft and input, then eventually one of those sharp young devils would figure out how to use some of that vast energy flow output (simply use a general relativity situation, such as the NRAM or negative resonance absorption of the medium optical physics process that outputs 18 times as much as the Poynting EM energy flow component of one’s input). And that would destroy any further need for fuel etc. except for a tiny tad just to get started. And that would have destroyed the energy barons of the early 20th century, including Morgan himself.

To see that Tesla knew exactly what he was after, we quote Tesla himself:
"Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point in the universe. This idea is not novel... We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians... Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic – and this we know it is, for certain – then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature." [Nikola Tesla, in a speech in New York to the American Institute of Electrical Engineers, 1891.].

“Electric power is everywhere present in unlimited quantities and can drive the world's machinery without the need of coal, oil, gas, or any other of the common fuels."

“We have to evolve means for obtaining energy from stores which are forever inexhaustible, to perfect methods which do not imply consumption and waste of any material whatever. I now feel sure that the realization of that idea is not far off. ...the possibilities of the development I refer to, namely, that of the operation of engines on any point of the earth by the energy of the medium...” [Nikola Tesla, during an address in 1897 commemorating his installation of generators at Niagara Falls.].

"Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material." [Nikola Tesla, 1900].

After Tesla’s suppression, he expressed the truth about the universal electrical engineering model in these words:
"The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognized as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history." [Nikola Tesla, "The True Wireless,” Electrical Experimenter, May 1919.]

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So again they got to Lorentz and had him “fix” it. In 1900 he taught the professors to arbitrarily integrate the entire energy flow vector itself (containing both the Poynting diverged component and the giant curled Heaviside component) around a closed surface assumed around any volume of interest. That very neatly separates and retains the diverged Poynting component, while discarding the giant curled Heaviside component. Lorentz also taught them that this component could “have no physical significance”, which is still the view today. E.g., quoting J. D. Jackson:

"...the Poynting vector is arbitrary to the extent that the curl of any vector field can be added to it. Such an added term can, however, have no physical consequences. Hence it is customary to make the specific choice …" [J. D. Jackson, Classical Electrodynamics, Second Edition, Wiley, 1975, p. 237].

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This second “fix” by Lorentz then finished Morgan’s suppression of the “new electrical engineering science” so that it would not contain asymmetrical Maxwellian systems nor would it contain Heaviside’s giant curled EM energy flow component.

With these changes, Morgan (using Lorentz’s services) deliberately crippled electrical engineering and electrical power systems for more than 100 years, and guaranteed that COP>1.0 and self-powering Maxwellian systems – permitted by nature and Maxwell’s original theory – would not be built by our electrical power engineers.

[…]

And that cute little integration trick got added into EE also, so that all mention of the giant Heaviside curled energy flow component just disappeared from all textbooks, curricula, etc.

With the suppression of Tesla and the suppression of all “energy from the active spatial medium” systems from the Heaviside-Lorentz equations, Morgan’s suppression of those threats was complete.

[xbusymom]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
the meek shall inherit the earth. hmmmm?? somebody knew the end at the begining. hmmm ?? chance ? coincidence ? fate ? if you wrote of the history you lived and buried it on earth right now and someone dug it up 10,000 years from now , what would they believe ??? maybe calamity is why the ancients always carved their words on stone for long preservation ... no matter what unfolds someone will read this and maybe put the puzzle together again and again ..... I'm beging to think we should do this , for future generations. you know , the danger of giving away your power , polluting the earth, living out of balance with nature . etc. they will only know what we leave behind ... our history , right now, they will need it, maybe it will stop the cycle of madness and control , and war...... take your universal truth , carve it on a stone, bury it in your backyard, date it ,, I think it would be the greatest gift we could leave those who will follow us on the journey called EARTH..... one day WE will be the ancients.... long live avalon !

maybe that is what the georgia guidestones are... just a way to set words of wisdom in stone for prosperity ... ???

[Flash]

Yes, when the general public will understand all that we have been deprived of, all the inventions that would have made this wonderful planet a paradise for all, all the misery and death that would have been avoided throughout, the unecessary wars and killing and the gigantesque psychopathic greed that made us slaves, yes, and the created lack of potential to become gods, for the good of all, they may lose their mind for the tremendous losses of opportunities to be living long lifes amongst the stars and on earth as a paradise.

Thank you Carmody and Amer Zo for your posts, they are succinctely explained and understandable.

[xbusymom]

Posted by Hawkwind (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

Once cognated, this suppression... once cognated as a real thing..this understanding and feeling of loss...will be in almost every breath you take, for the rest of your life.

Carmody, haven't most of us on this forum already experienced this moment in one way or another and to one degree or another?

yes, but what is the percentage of us versus the rest of the world?

the other factor about what each of us can handle?? what we handle well depends on what we choose to handle well... and regrettably - from what i have seen- most of the general population chooses to believe in the programmed response of becoming co-dependant crybabies who need someone else to save them. and once we realize that everyone else is copping to the same song and dance (nobody wants to put themselves out on the front lines to be the hero) we are gonna have a lot of people with mental and emotional meltdowns loose on the streets.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gemini (here)
Regarding secret technology, from http://grasptheuniverse.com/ufo-2/uf...7-documentary/


UFOs Are Here ! – Lost 1977 Documentary

Featuring: Steven Spielberg, Stan Deyo, Jacques Vallee, Prof. Allen Hynek, Stanton Friedman, Margaret Mead, Ken Arnold, Betty Hill, Rev. William Gill, Klaus Nobel, RAAF Sqdn Ldr White, Ray Palmer and Colin Cameron. This amazing UFO documentary film was produced in 1977. It was way ahead of its time. Sadly, the master copies of this film and the two which followed it have been lost to the ravages of time.

Only one VHS copy of it survived; so Channel 9 gave us permission to convert it to digital video in an effort to preserve it as an archive for the use of posterity. This film inspired Stan Deyo to write "The Cosmic Conspiracy" book which is the sequel to the shows. The man-made, flying saucer programs are exposed in the book and the film.




The really interesting part here is from about 59 mins onward. It's an interview with a research physicist -- Stan Deyo, then unknown -- who worked on a highly classified project (anti-gravity etc.) during the 1960s.

Bumping this -- in particular the 1977 interview with a young Stan Deyo. Must see: it begins pretty much at the 59 minute mark.

I was completely transfixed. I'd never heard of this interview before -- it's very important indeed, and I'll be listening to it several times.

[Flash]

Another one of Stan Deyo

[Ilie Pandia]

I cannot agree with Stan Deyo that the problem is "how to announce it"

In my view the problem is that once it gets out the power structure would collapse. Once any form of Free Energy becomes publicly available it is impossible to enslave anyone any longer. The mental games and reasoning that the the petroleum and connected industries would collapse is completely irrelevant. The proper use of Free Energy could easily handle that! Here is a job to fill the time of those in the petroleum industry: how about cleaning the planet of all the pollution that combustion has caused?! There are plenty of things to do besides working in a big petroleum company! But that is not the issue! Loosing control, profit and power over others is the issue. Not the care for the welfare of the poor employees or the economy...

And an imposed one world government is not the solution either. In my opinion, if we will ever unite as a people in a meaningful way, it will come from our hearts and from our understanding of reality, and not from fear of an external threat. There is no value in unity through fear.

Stan Deyo's arguments provide a good mental device that can be used by those working for "the black hats" to think that they are in fact working for the "white hats but it's not the proper time yet to let the people know...".

And to tie this into the opening post. Most likely some of the tech that Stan mentions can be used (and will be used) to shield equipment and people from any potential Solar problems. And if shielding is out of the questions, of course they can always leave the planet. Nobody seems to care about the employees or the economy now...

[Amzer Zo]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
I cannot agree with Stan Deyo that the problem is "how to announce it"

In my view the problem is that once it gets out the power structure would collapse. Once any form of Free Energy becomes publicly available it is impossible to enslave anyone any longer. The mental games and reasoning that the the petroleum and connected industries would collapse is completely irrelevant.

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Interesting... because it all depends on what are the different factions' positions...

When one considers the length to which J.P. Morgan and "illuminati" went to suppressed Maxwell's and Tesla's discoveries (see post # 685 above); then the "how to announce it" must take care of the "illuminati" birds with their "one stone" throw... along with the other factions which have slavery as their standard of living.

So, from "any color of hat" perspective, all bases must be covered before an annoucement can be made.

My impression is that all these different factions are clashing in trying to cover "their bases" for their respective announcement, Vatican included.

[Referee]

28th Century this is the time line you are looking for. No WW3. No major disasters. Get over here now and help us sort through the mess. If they are correct we should have had severall problems already. I send this post out as a marker on a good timeline ready for action.

Kevin

[David Topí]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Here is a job to fill the time of those in the petroleum industry: how about cleaning the planet of all the pollution that combustion has caused?!

About cleaning the planet, it seems it is doing it by itself already. Have you guys noticed the incredible increase in the amount of earthquakes, hurricanes, terrible weather patterns, storms, sinkholes, volcanoes eruptions, etc, in the last year or two? Well, it is just astonishing to observe how much the Earth is upside down, pretty much like looking forward to produce a full clean house by itself, and pretty soon.

[Sirius White]

Various of the Elite (similar to Tsarions idea) are actually not what we think they are. They are not Steve Jobs of the world, Bill Gates (although yes, at that level you are directly connected). They are highly psychic, highly intelligent, very resourceful and indoctrinated bunch of people. Of which there is more than one group.

One of them in particular, has extended family. This family is stuck on this rock with us....and has been contending with other ET races, as many of the higher up humans are loyal to those who live here with us. Yes, some of them look nordic, and some of them appear to be of Saurian and snake like. This particular clan, of whom was loyal to a God that was known in Sumer, among the Assyrians as well, and is affiliated with the ancient brother hood of the snake. They have been using human survival instincts, dynamics, and quickly adapting nature to rebuild what they lost in various of the catastrophes of the past. This includes technologies and knowledge. While they have some, they are missing a great deal- and cannot contend with those who Outcast them, nor with many other races who are visiting us. Many of them were also not of the scientist nature, and since the old days when they interbred with the human beings, they were called the "fallen." Some of them...were quite nice, and enlightened (the father of the nefarious one in question). Others, not so much, in-fighting and wars happened through the use of human beings. In the end, a small group of them, and their human/hybrid offspring have been working in secret to organize human beings, keep knowledge out of their hands, and extracting knowledge from them based on their discoveries and talent for quick evolution. Their goal is to get off......and to use human beings, if they can, as their vehicle. This place has just been a temporary stay for them, and the human beings who knowingly, and most unknowingly do their work.

They are not the only ones of course, but they've been here. And they've been ensuring that commerce and trade goes with other races, who are mostly just interested in our resources. They are not allowed to force themselves in this sector of galaxy- so once they get our approval from our own kind they trade freely. There is huge trading programs already, and the beings from elsewhere do not care. Many of them are pressed themselves- and it's a survival game, especially to races who made similar mistakes to ourselves (exploitation of others and resources).

Many of them are interdimensional....and the oversee our progress. We are a treasure to some of them (even though they may look at us like pets), and to others we are disgusting and deserve our fate for doing this to our own planet. The enlightened ones stay away for fear of war and to not intervene on our behalf, so they often help us via more inner methods. Teachings, inner intuition, guides, etc.

Anyways....I agree they have that stored in plan Bill. I'm not sure if it's gonna turn out that way for them.

The interview with dutch is great. Thank you

[Carmody]

The most interesting part of all, is one does not need to know the mathematical aspects, in order to manipulate space-time, to obtain 'classic electrical' energies.

One simply has to know that this deeper layer exists, and then begin designing devices and materials that are 'off balance' (In standard EE terms) in their expression and design. That's it.

The problem in visualization, and thinking..is that 'solids', as frozen lattice structures, can only create and deal with 'transverse' electrical fields. This is the actual core reason behind lead and lag in inductive and capacitive field expression. It is the literal electron orbital conjunctive aspects in a frozen or lattice structure solid. Polarized entry and exit from the given atomic structures, and the resultant lead and lag,as the atomic structures are a vibrating or spinning vortex in-vortex out..of balanced energies, of 2d fields in oscillation and combination.

in a plasma, we get both transverse wave and longitudinal waves. Longitudinal waves are non-Hertzian, one might say. A uniform overall pressure change, one might say.

since we are trying to extract a differential from one medium to another....we must keep in mind that the expression of what we desire is not inherently within the confined lattice structure (solids), with respect to egress of energies to and from that solid. this, due to the polarized entry and exit of energies in that solid. BUT..the energies we desire to integrate with are inherently in the plasma, which has the added expression of overall uniform pressure waves, the longitudinal waves, or it also has scalar function and energies.

With regard to solids, this occurs at the atomic boundary, and is tied to optics, ie the prismatic rainbow effect is a evidential trail of this boundary layer issue (atomic scale). Recall that in optics, the wave is unperturbed in the vacuum..and unperturbed in the glass....all the action happens at the boundary.

So, to use solids to work upon a plasma function, is a bit of a problem as we are trying to access the complex function via the very thing that confines them and blocks them out, regarding flow.

When we build asymmetrical mechanical 'lattice structure polarized solid' extraction systems..THEN we get a working over unity system or 'scalar plasma field integration- electrical extraction system'.

This goes directly back to the point expressed that Heaviside, Lorenz and Lorentz removed the asymmetrical aspects from Maxwell's working model.

Thus the door.... to gating such energies into a traditional form of electrical expression, is asymmetrical gating/design of solids.

After reading the above about Maxwell and then 'interviewing/reviewing' or looking at all claims of the energies of the the universe being gated by devices.... is this now, slowly becoming .....entirely obvious?

[Mandala]

A year or so ago in one of our Project Avalon threads, I remember a post a member made where George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg and Seth Rogan were discussing future plans for movies. Lucas said what does it matter, we won't be around then anyway, and preceded to tell Rogan for 20-25 minutes what he thought was going to happen. Later the Lucas agent said he was kidding.


"Star Wars" creator George Lucas really, truly believes the world will end in 2012 -- according to "Green Hornet" star Seth Rogen.

Rogen told the Toronto Sun he recently met with Lucas and Steven Spielberg, and "George Lucas sits down and seriously proceeds to talk for around 25 minutes about how he thinks the world is gonna end in the year 2012, like, for real. He thinks it."

The next logical question to ask Lucas would of course be whether he had a getaway spaceship. Luckily, Rogen was on top of it.

"He claimed he didn’t have a spaceship," Rogen continued, "but there’s no doubt there’s a Millennium Falcon in a garage somewhere with a pilot just waiting to go. It’s gonna be him and Steven Spielberg and I’ll be blown up like the rest of us."

However, Lucas has since claimed it was all a joke.

A rep from Lucasfilm told Wired.com, "George ... was not serious when he talked about the end of the world in 2012 but he is an adamant believer that the world is flat, that Stonehenge was built by aliens, and that the sun revolves around the Earth. These are among the many subjects he commonly discusses at length with Elvis, who he’s going to digitally insert into Indy 5 along with a roster of famous dead actors."

Either Lucas wants to keep his conspiracy theories under wraps, or Rogen was a little high for that meeting.

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainmen...459971/?page=2

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The Lucasfilm people make it very ludicrous and therefore; no one takes what he said seriously. Those two directors have had insider training along the way.

[xbusymom]

Posted by David Topí (here)

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Here is a job to fill the time of those in the petroleum industry: how about cleaning the planet of all the pollution that combustion has caused?!

About cleaning the planet, it seems it is doing it by itself already. Have you guys noticed the incredible increase in the amount of earthquakes, hurricanes, terrible weather patterns, storms, sinkholes, volcanoes eruptions, etc, in the last year or two? Well, it is just astonishing to observe how much the Earth is upside down, pretty much like looking forward to produce a full clean house by itself, and pretty soon.

I don't think those symptoms are of the earth cleansing itself... How can you be sure all the earthquakes (and etc.) isn't from excessive oil drilling, fracking for natural gas cultivation, excavation for multiple secret underground facilities, possible HAARP weather weapons for crop control, ...

[papperkash]

Kerry Cassidy over at Project Camelot, is reporting that an object the size of the moon (a piloted object) is on it's way to earth, that whistleblowers have already been silenced, and that she has apparently recieved several confirmations.

See here...---> http://projectcamelotportal.com/inde...=31&Itemid=218

I suspect that her sources are misleading her, perhaps to discredit her work. It all sounds quite impossible.

Having said that, I never say never.

2012 was always going to be a year for big events:
1. Speculation is rampant regarding what will unfold at this years olympics, Cliff High believes that they have to use this time to enact a ritual as the powers that be, are desperate. Cliff claims, that without the ritual they would loose more power.
2. Rik Clay and Ian Crane believe that the powers that be are planning to stage an alien event.

For those two reasons combined, the timing of Kerry's claim is very interesting.

Bill, please start doing some video updates, it would be good to see you. If you agree click "Thanks"
xx

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm curious, if you zoom way in on this, you'll see a light object traveling from left to right, but what are those round objects it passes just hanging there, not moving towards the top right corner? The breakoff temporary housing?