What really is real?

[RedeZra]

Posted by lyubomir (here)
I start to think that most of this world is absolutely unreal, not just a lie...

What is real?

this earth is real

the plants and the animals

we are real


God is uber real

and the devil is a liar

[Tony]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by lyubomir (here)
I start to think that most of this world is absolutely unreal, not just a lie...

What is real?

this earth is real

the plants and the animals

we are real


God is uber real

and the devil is a liar

We must have different definitions of real!

[Tony]

This is the most important question of ever ever!
Once we find this answer, everything else must be a........................................?



Tony

[lyubomir]

Hello,

very interesting answers and points of view

I understand that reallity is product of how our braind decodes the energy infront and arround us. Everything is energy but our mind and brain make it to look on a specific way. And these results appear because of third party effect like the Sun or something else artificial.

For this reason some people can not be under the global effect or creating reality and they see things on other way - maybe that's the real way or maybe it's something wrong

Because ancient people know it they started to search for solutions like meditation, spiritual practices, mind development and so on - to protect the real people from loosing their mind. But we meet the reality everyday when we open our eyes and we are alive. What about the dreams - are they real? There are some dreams with high effect on me, for me this is real...

So everything is our in mind but what affects it to create something which real for us... Is that understanding of reality is the same as this of the Creator of this world?

I would like to say that it's real pleasure for me discuss theme like this here with all other members of Project Avalon. For me it 's very useful and hope that my opinions are also good for someone.

With all my respect to everyone!

Best Regards,

Lyubomir

[TheTwo]

Posted by lyubomir (here)
I start to think that most of this world is absolutely unreal, not just a lie...

What is real?

Can you define "what" is asking this question?

[RMorgan]

Posted by lyubomir (here)
Hello,

very interesting answers and points of view

I understand that reallity is product of how our braind decodes the energy infront and arround us. Everything is energy but our mind and brain make it to look on a specific way. And these results appear because of third party effect like the Sun or something else artificial.

For this reason some people can not be under the global effect or creating reality and they see things on other way - maybe that's the real way or maybe it's something wrong

Because ancient people know it they started to search for solutions like meditation, spiritual practices, mind development and so on - to protect the real people from loosing their mind. But we meet the reality everyday when we open our eyes and we are alive. What about the dreams - are they real? There are some dreams with high effect on me, for me this is real...

So everything is our in mind but what affects it to create something which real for us... Is that understanding of reality is the same as this of the Creator of this world?

I would like to say that it's real pleasure for me discuss theme like this here with all other members of Project Avalon. For me it 's very useful and hope that my opinions are also good for someone.

With all my respect to everyone!

Best Regards,

Lyubomir

Hi again my friend,

I think you misunderstood this part.

When you say that "reallity is product of how our brain decodes the energy infront and arround us", you´re talking about relative reality, which is connected on our abilities to perceive the absolute reality.

The absolute reality exists independently of the observer´s perceptive limitations; it exists absolutely everywhere, even if there´s no single living organism to interact with it.

Relative reality is what many call an "illusion", which isn´t quite an accurate term (relative reality is a better term). Just because our perceptive senses are limited, it doesn´t mean that what we perceive is necessarily an illusion.

As an example, you can fool your cat to think that a rubber mouse attached to a nylon string is a real mouse but it doesn´t mean that every time your cat sees a mouse and chase it, it will be a rubber mouse.

For your cat, if an object looks like a mouse and moves like a mouse, then it´s a mouse. He will only know that the rubber mouse isn´t real when he tries to eat it and perceive that it doesn´t taste like a mouse.

Our senses can be fooled as well. We get fooled and tricked everyday with television, advertising, imposed artificial moral values, etc...

The difference between us and the cat is that since we´re more intelligent, we develop more complex tricks. As an example, we can make artificial lemonade which looks, tastes and smell like real lemonade, but it doesn´t have a single natural lemon ingredient. Then, people in the marketing industry can trick us to believe that this artificial lemonade is 100 times better than real lemonade, sell it for 10 times the costs of real lemonade and convince everyone to buy it.

So, if it looks, smells and tastes like a lemonade, it must be a real lemonade, right? Not necessarily.

What if you take a lemon out of a tree and make a lemonade yourself? Well, then it´s probably real, right? Not necessarily as well. Maybe that fruit just looks, tastes and smells like lemon, but it might be a different fruit.

What if you go to a huge lemon plantation, pick up some lemons and make a lemonade? Well, what if the seed supplier sold the farmer some seeds from a different fruit that looks, tastes and smells like lemon, but isn´t a real lemon? Then you can make a juice out of them, but not real lemonade.

Now, absolute reality transcends our existence and our perception; it´s what it always was, what still is and what will always be.

Cheers,

Raf.

[greybeard]

All that can truthfully be said is "I am"

As Pineal is saying find the answer to "What am I and who is asking the question?"
You wont get an answer as it is impossible to know yourself.
We think we know things by comparison--- One without a second has nothing to compare itself with so definition is impossible.

Chris

[christian]

Depends on the perspective. If you'd argue, that everything ephemeral is not real, then is this cosmos and its creator not ephemeral as well in a way? It's always the question of what was there first, what is truly without end and beginning, is there such a thing?

The only thing, that I find to be real, is that existence exists. Don't know how, why, where, since when or how long, but stuff is going on, all ephemeral stuff, it seems.

Maybe the real thing is just a principle that is everywhere and nowhere.

Gotta love attempting to answer questions like this here from my current point of view as an earth human

[Tony]

When we leave this body, ask the question again.
What is real?
We will not have a body, so no need for any..thing!

We are potentially pure enlightened beings,
but we are still be clothed in ideas.
So we ask the question again. What is real?

It cannot be these ideas, we are so attached to.

So we are pure beings, that know.
That is the reality.

There can be nothing more.

Well, that is not strictly true.
There is still the clothing to wash,
exhausting karma!

Every time we move from being,
we thicken karma.

So reality is in every moment,
of our conduct.
Gradually it can become
clearer and clearer,
or thicker and thicker.

We always have choice.
Choose wisely and we find reality.


Tony

[lyubomir]

Thanks for the last 3 comments!

All the best,

Lyubomir

[DeDukshyn]

As far as I'm concerned - the only real thing is your point of perception, the fact that you are a point of perception and that you "experience" in the present moment. Not a damn thing else is "real" but is more of an agreed upon "dream" in a sense.


My 2 cents.

[RedeZra]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by lyubomir (here)
I start to think that most of this world is absolutely unreal, not just a lie...

What is real?

this earth is real

the plants and the animals

we are real


God is uber real

and the devil is a liar

We must have different definitions of real!

i know Tony

the Biblical view is not like the Buddhic view


we got a God in the bible

and are supposed to stewart this earth

while keeping the Ten Commandments


we got this one life to obey and live godly


then the promise of an eternal life

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

This question is a great "mind stretcher" for me today.

My answer is similar to others who answer more eloquently ...

What really is real is whatever one says is.

The 3 "is's" above emphasize the "at the moment" nature of the concept.
The subjectivity of identifying what is real to/for an individual allows differring perspectives.

I'll be pondering this a while.
Thankyou.
KRKR

[Carmody]

Reclaiming as much as possible, of one's consciousness FROM the autonomous 'placeholder/autopilot' aspects of physical incarnation.

That will help answer this question.

However, it will not be easy, as it is not meant to be so. For a few reasons. One is that most incarnates aren't ready to handle the creationist aspects of their physical point of manifestation and interconnection.

[lyubomir]

Hello,

What is real not how we see it but and how we feel it and how we understand it.

If a purpose that you beleive told you - The water is the best healing solution, just drink more pure water! You will see in the water it's power, you will fill it as something very precious and you will understand it not just to drink when you thirsty.

What do you think about it my Friends?

Kind Regards,

Lyubomir

[ernesto]

Here you have another opinion: Real is what you want to be real. We are spiritual beings, with unlimitless knowledge and power, so watever we want to become real it will be!
Even if we decide to think that we do not know, and that we have no power, and that we are insignificant, then we made it true as this reality that we are experiencing now.
Anyway this was possible, because we have no limits which looks contradictory, but it is what I think.
The only way to see it, is looking inside.

Ernesto

[lyubomir]

Hello everyone,

I am really happy that we can discuss themes like this. This opportunity that we have is very good.

Kind Regards,

Lyubomir