Michelle to Barack Obama: "All This for a 'DAMN' Flag"..!

[nearing]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

BUT even if it IS what she said, I am an American citizen who loves the land of the earth, ALL of the earth. I love the people of the earth, ALL of the earth. The flag (ALL flags, other than a Earth flag) represents divisiveness, as far as I can see. So I can see why someone would say it. Hell, I won't even say the 'Pledge of Allegiance". I will NOT pledge allegiance to a damn flag or a country. That leads to war. Hence, our history of killing one another.

It's EXACTLY what she said. She probably didn't realize that there are deaf, lip-reading Americans watching them, too. She definitely said it. Mocking Americans for this tradition just doesn't cut it in my book!

I agree I won't pledge to this flag anymore. BUT I'd "pledge allegiance to the Constitution of America". I'd pledge to America, but the US corporation won't get it ever again. American spirit, I believe in. And that doesn't lead to war. We all know the REAL reasons why wars are being fought.....manipulation.
But what gets to me is if these 2 fine so called PUBLIC SERVANTS don't like it, they should step down. Get out of the country. Take their forked tongues with them...Stop spending our money on themselves. This is what they agreed to represent. Or was that all just lies, too?

Even if this planet became a one world planet, there would still be pride in what each country is. There's no crime in that. This planet is what it is, multicultural. Nothing could change the fact that each person has a cultural history.

Who says we can't be united under one planet, but still have our cultural differences?

We don't need flags or nation states to have our culture, as a matter of fact, they are at odds.

[LarryC]

Posted by Ivanhoe (here)
I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.

Nationalism and tribalism inevitably lead to wars and artificial divisions between people. If the world has any future at all, it's some kind of global society. That doesn't have to mean a NWO type government. The term "one world government" has come to imply a global fascist state, but that doesn't have to be the case. I don't really believe in governments at all the way they have existed in recent centuries. But there could be a peaceful and benevolent "new world order" that wasn't run by the elite.

[shadowstalker]

There is a difference between what the NWO is, and truely living together in unity with out flags or boundaries..

NWO=CONTROL

LIVING TOGETHER IN TRUE UNITY WITHOUT FLAGS OR BOUNDARIES.= LOVE RESPECT FORGIVENESS

[Sierra]

Well, I lipread her, and what I saw was "Can you believe this, for a damn flag?" The context I got was what a bitter perception of waste of money that could be put to better use.

That said, 70% of English is invisible, inside the mouth. When lipreading, the following look exactly the same to a lipreader, hence context is everything:

Mat, Pat, Bat
Texts, Decks, Necks
Man, Band
Pan, Ban, Man
Hover, over
Like, dike, kike

I've managed to misconstrue ENTIRE sentences that look the same, not just single words. It happens. (People just crack up when I do that lol)

They say the ability to lipread is hard coded in the brain. You either can do it or you can't. You have to have a brain that can leap to conclusions apparently. It is much more difficult to do it when young, because experience of context is still missing. I maxed out on my lipreading skills at 38, 39, a long learning curve.

That being said, I personally opine that flags are NWO symbols used to generate false pride, division and and a Us/Them paradigm. I agree with Michelle ... if that is what she said. Not that I know or understand her reason for saying that ... context is unknown.

Sierra

[Earth Angel]

I have just taken the flag ( Ireland) off my profile........I think its just another tool to divide us......when driving down to Vermont from Ontario we used to play a game with the kids on the 10 hour drive counting the American Flags (you don't see flags in those numbers up in Canada)......it got boring as there were so many so we started counting dog farts instead ....... he was a close tie with the flags ( being a puppy) ...but they both stink....anyway I think we have enough labels on us already why add a flag to our profile too?

[Mulder]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

I was hoping the above was hyperbole or "reverse psychology"

Huxley proven correct in his 1961 speech: "Contented with your servitude" -
"There will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears… producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it."

[modwiz]

This is absolutely scandalous.

[LarryC]

Posted by Earth Angel (here)
I have just taken the flag ( Ireland) off my profile........I think its just another tool to divide us......when driving down to Vermont from Ontario we used to play a game with the kids on the 10 hour drive counting the American Flags (you don't see flags in those numbers up in Canada)......it got boring as there were so many so we started counting dog farts instead ....... he was a close tie with the flags ( being a puppy) ...but they both stink....anyway I think we have enough labels on us already why add a flag to our profile too?

Yes, when you consider how many flags there are, the silliness of it all becomes apparent. Professional sports is largely modeled after this, and that's another way to get people excited, divided and often angry over basically meaningless events. Nation states, sports teams, religions and corporations are just a few examples of these illusory entities that people are taught to identify with, and in some cases even sacrifice their lives for. Flags are an example of how symbolism can be used to manipulate the emotions. Corporate logos do something similar.

There are really two, somewhat paradoxical realities. Each individual is sovereign and yet we are all connected and One. Freedom is about finding the middle way through this paradox. But these collectives are distractions that you have to avoid to reach this. It's fine to group together with others for various purposes, as long as you don't see these associations as permanent and superior to all others.

[cloud9]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

I really don't understand this post. What do you mean by " this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.?

[WhiteFeather]

Flags & Religions same category with same meaning. A catch all for WAR.

[nonesuch]

I no longer accept at face value any claims made by someone with a bone to pick (and pick and pick) who considers their highly filtered perception of reality worthy of incessant broadcast from a free YouTube account.

If I did I'd be running around Main Street buck naked screaming bloody murder because I'd have proof that Prince William was a slit-eyed, shape-shifting reptilian clone unconvincingly played by an unemployed and therefore available and very high, Macaulay Culkin—all caught on low rez cell phone video at full zoom with unmistakable jpeg pixellation errors, the Prince himself being routed on foot down a secured but dark London alley after midnight, bejeweled guests and fellow amphibians in tow.

It always helps to check with snopes.com before posting something inflammatory that cannot be proven beyond a shadow of an opinion. Below is a link to an article that addresses the video in question. It explains that Michelle's silent lips moved into action just after an honor guard folded an American flag. Try watching the video again and see if she doesn't say one or all of the following statements:

“We’re in for a real fight.”
“I wonder if they flew that flag.”
“It’s amazing how they fold that flag.”

Reference: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/forflag.asp

You also might find this informative (and hilarious) regarding the accuracy of lip reading a silent video. Watch Rick Perry's lips carefully and you'll see for yourself he's saying exactly what someone interpreted he said then voiced over on his campaign ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qidl...layer_embedded

It's all in the programming.

In the imaginative video from the OP, our inside source thoughtfully plastered across the top of every frame the offending sentence we were instructed to see Michelle lean and whisper to Satan as a calculated desecration of Our American Cloth Sigil just in case we forgot the fullness of her crime as our eyes beheld the entire four seconds of indisputable evidence played back at various speeds.

We're all susceptible to suggestion, but only those who acknowledge it do any research before reposting someone's Tivo'd clips as proof of their long ago cemented conclusions. Make no mistake, I'm no great fan of Obama, but if this is the best anyone can come up with when there are already so many established facts (NDAA anyone?) that crush his credibility as an honest broker of much of anything, then we're a ship of fools who sunk before we left port and none of us noticed.

Still, we'd better come up for air sooner than later because Romney will act according to the Money-Buys-Planets-Forever Mormon doctrine. He'll offer his cold and charming smile while turning the dogs loose on all of us after the right church official, bank executive or corporate CEO significantly surpasses in their bid the reserve he purposely set high in his auction for total control of America.

If only the next election were as simple as apples and oranges, instead of Apples and Microsofts, we'd stand a chance of employing the past as prologue. But this time it's going to be different.

It's not a bad idea to lose your mind about now. But be sure to lose it completely, and into a spiritual awakening of your choice rather than in trying to outsmart the nuts and bolts of an already fallen illusion in which nobody won. We moved past 'business-as-usual' so many years ago even bodhisatvas are tapping their feet with impatience while excited Angels are putting their final touches on the imminent Feast of the Ages.

If there were two words that best characterized for me this moment, today, in history, they would be these:

CATCH UP!

[jackovesk]

Posted by Ivanhoe (here)
I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.

Bloody-Well-Said...Ivanhoe...

You said it alot more politely than I ever could...

Now this...

For (ALL) of you who went (Off) on some kind of 'Flag Tangent' by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags) yet are against 'World Govt' - you are nothing but a bunch of Hypocrites...

[jackovesk]

Posted by nearing (here)

Posted by GCS1103 (here)

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

This is a "spiritual site" in search of the truth? Whose truth, yours? Jackovesk is entitled to his opinions, like everyone else here. You believe that this President has done nothing against the country or people; I think he has succeeded in coming close to destroying my country and the people who have lived their lives here. This isn't a right vs. left issue. This is a megalomaniac vs. the people, who he considers his minions. I base my "opinion" on what he has done, not on his party affiliation. I don't know if you live in the U.S., but if you do- look around at all the people who have lost their homes, jobs, dignity and hope. He came into office on a pack of lies, supported by the very people we all hate- The Elite. He's a pawn, my friend, not a savior.

Every President since JFK (and plenty before) are just pawns. To spend so much energy hating on any one of them is really a HUGE waste!

Also wasting energies on anything that divides us in to separateness such as nationalities and flags is ALSO a HUGE waste and won't help us get to world peace anytime soon.

BTW, I do not see from that video that she said what you are saying she said, Jack. Could have been a myriad of other sentences! Maybe she was telling him how she needs to go to the bathroom or what she wants for lunch or that she is horny...

I do not see from that video that she said what you are saying she said, Jack. Could have been a myriad of other sentences!

Maybe she said to Barack - "WhyTF are we waisting our time here, when we could be on another Holiday...?"

One thing I have noticed here at Avalon, there are a Hell-Of-A-Lot of members who have absolutely 'NO' People-Reading-Skills Whatsoever..!

...and that is what really saddens me greatly...

I could go on for Hours about this..! What's wrong with you all..?

Take the emotion out of it, Open-Your-Eyes & Ears the 'Truth' is so easy to spot its ridiculous...

[NancyV]

It's not about believing in "the flag" or not believing in the frigging "flag". It's about respect. It's about the fact that in this time and this place on this 3rd dimensional planet there are millions of humans who DO have pride in their respective countries flags. It's a symbol that makes them feel good about their country. It gives them a sense of cohesiveness a sense of pride with their fellow countrymen. If you think you're a highly evolved spiritual being you would understand this human emotion and have compassion and empathy for the people who respect and believe in the flag. Certainly a majority of people living in the US expect their President and his wife to have respect for the flag, at the very least.

I got suspended from high school for about a week in 1962 when I was 15 because I refused to pledge allegiance to the flag. Back then I didn't care what other people thought and I didn't care what they respected. I didn't respect authority AND I didn't respect many people at all. I did many things to show my contempt. I also got suspended for refusing to wear shoes to school, so protesting the pledge of allegiance wasn't a big deal, just something I could protest. It took me a while to come to understand that I can still be exactly who I am without trying to protest against others beliefs and traditions. The world and this country don't have to be like me, even though I am obviously RIGHT and PERFECT.

It wouldn't surprise me if Mrs. Obama said what it looks like she said. Remember she also said: “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.” This is a woman who thinks others do not deserve respect if their beliefs or opinions are different from hers. For her to say something like that in the middle of trying to get her husband elected as President shows a complete lack of awareness and understanding. It's in the same vein as what her husband said when talking about people in small towns in the midwest: "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

These two, the pres and the 1st lady, have no respect for people who believe differently than they do. THEY are right and they intend to shape the US into their image of the perfect liberal utopian socialist country. Hopefully they won't succeed. In the meantime IF Michelle said "All this for a damn flag", it's right in line with things she's said before.

Now... you wonderful peace/love, spiritually aware people who are defending Obama and also disrespecting the flag....what makes you think that rejecting the beliefs of at least 75% of the US citizens is going to endear you to them? What makes you think that disrespecting them and what they think is a love of their country will help the world in any way at all? Is this how you portray your belief in love and your spiritual awareness? What you are doing by rejecting your little flags next to your avatar is exactly what I did when I was an ignorant 15 year old. It's also making it MUCH more important than it otherwise would be. That little flag just tells us what country you are from, which I happen to find rather interesting. Now you're making a big frigging deal out of it and then stating that it shouldn't be so important! LOL.. You're making it important!

Just because you think people should not have pride in their country and its symbol, the flag, doesn't mean everyone will convert to your beliefs. It's very spiritually aware to be able to deal with REALITY and not try to change everyone to your own religion or non-religion... because it's so obvious to you that YOU are RIGHT.

The flag means nothing to me, but I KNOW it means a lot to those who believe in it and I would no longer show contempt and disrespect for their beliefs.....but obviously the Obama's (and a lot of you) do disrespect the beliefs of those who disagree with their superior and evolved knowledge. No big surprise.

[LarryC]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by Ivanhoe (here)
I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.

Bloody-Well-Said...Ivanhoe...

You said it alot more politely than I ever could...

Now this...

For (ALL) of you who went (Off) on some kind of 'Flag Tangent' by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags) yet are against 'World Govt' - you are nothing but a bunch of Hypocrites...

It doesn't seem like you even read many of the replies. Several of us suggested that there are alternatives to either nations states or a global NWO government. And how is the subject of flags a tangent when that is the supposed topic of this thread?

[jackovesk]

I am going to compare these 2 posts & Summarise...

Post #1

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Flags are for slaves.

I will elaborate.

My uncle was an infantryman in Viet Nam. When a free speech issue came up over an art display that used an American flag in a way that could be interpreted as disrespectful, he was enraged. "I fought for that flag!", he would say.

And even as a teenager I would think, "Wow, you are an idiot." The flag is a control symbol.

As a child, I pledged my loyalty to it every day in school. Even in elementary school I thought this was a form of mind control.

Flags are just flags. They can represent many things including pride in our people, ideals of freedom, equality, and democracy, and so forth. However, once we begin to worship flags, we know that we have succumbed to the controls of the state.

...and Post #2

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Wow! Is this a great find, jackovesk! Shows what kind of two-faced people these are. I resent them now even more so....

What if....

RJN, you can't use "what if's or maybe's...." to explain anything because it's just making up excuses. That's not going to explain anything. Her lips clearly said, "All this for a damn flag" tells me that both this traitor and her b*tch don't have a clue to what the true American spirit is; if they're even American.... I REALLY resent these two creeps.....
I wish they'd get run out of Dodge already.... I'm sick of looking at them and hearing about their two faced lies to the American public.... Sick of them taking so many vacations on my dollar.... I can't even afford ONE vacation because these 2 lazy a**es think they're so overworked.... How much energy DOES it take to ruin a country? I don't want these 2 representing us in any way. Go back to Kenya already....or Indonesia or Singapore or wherever it is you were spawned.... What an insult these two are to this country....

What I take out of it, is this comment from Maia Gabrial...

don't have a clue to what the true American spirit is

Forget the visual appearance of a piece of Cloth (Flag) and replace that with the word (Spirit) in context to the many views expressed on this 'Thread'

e.g

• American Spirit
• Australian Spirit
• English Spirit
• Avalonian Spirit
• French Spirit
• Canadian Spirit

Etc, Etc........

Now we know there is no 'i' in Team

We know that 99.99% of people on the planet would generally like to feel a connection to their fellow man and most like to belong to some kind of Communal Spirit in the form of Community - Family - Freindship - Group or Club, etc...

Even at Avalon, although we 'Don't Agree' at times There is a 'Communal Spirit' and a sense of belonging to a cause of Open Minded & Alike people...

So take a step back, all those that jumped on the 'Individual' Aspect of living in a 'Free World' without as many Govt. Constraints and (Turn your Focus Within) and re-read your posts and 'Think-Again'...

...because 'Some of You' are WAY-OFF-TRACK with your rationale..!

[jackovesk]

Posted by NancyV (here)
It's not about believing in "the flag" or not believing in the frigging "flag". It's about respect. It's about the fact that in this time and this place on this 3rd dimensional planet there are millions of humans who DO have pride in their respective countries flags. It's a symbol that makes them feel good about their country. It gives them a sense of cohesiveness a sense of pride with their fellow countrymen. If you think you're a highly evolved spiritual being you would understand this human emotion and have compassion and empathy for the people who respect and believe in the flag. Certainly a majority of people living in the US expect their President and his wife to have respect for the flag, at the very least.

I got suspended from high school for about a week in 1962 when I was 15 because I refused to pledge allegiance to the flag. Back then I didn't care what other people thought and I didn't care what they respected. I didn't respect authority AND I didn't respect many people at all. I did many things to show my contempt. I also got suspended for refusing to wear shoes to school, so protesting the pledge of allegiance wasn't a big deal, just something I could protest. It took me a while to come to understand that I can still be exactly who I am without trying to protest against others beliefs and traditions. The world and this country don't have to be like me, even though I am obviously RIGHT and PERFECT.

It wouldn't surprise me if Mrs. Obama said what it looks like she said. Remember she also said: “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.” This is a woman who thinks others do not deserve respect if their beliefs or opinions are different from hers. For her to say something like that in the middle of trying to get her husband elected as President shows a complete lack of awareness and understanding. It's in the same vein as what her husband said when talking about people in small towns in the midwest: "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

These two, the pres and the 1st lady, have no respect for people who believe differently than they do. THEY are right and they intend to shape the US into their image of the perfect liberal utopian socialist country. Hopefully they won't succeed. In the meantime IF Michelle said "All this for a damn flag", it's right in line with things she's said before.

Now... you wonderful peace/love, spiritually aware people who are defending Obama and also disrespecting the flag....what makes you think that rejecting the beliefs of at least 75% of the US citizens is going to endear you to them? What makes you think that disrespecting them and what they think is a love of their country will help the world in any way at all? Is this how you portray your belief in love and your spiritual awareness? What you are doing by rejecting your little flags next to your avatar is exactly what I did when I was an ignorant 15 year old. It's also making it MUCH more important than it otherwise would be. That little flag just tells us what country you are from, which I happen to find rather interesting. Now you're making a big frigging deal out of it and then stating that it shouldn't be so important! LOL.. You're making it important!

Just because you think people should not have pride in their country and its symbol, the flag, doesn't mean everyone will convert to your beliefs. It's very spiritually aware to be able to deal with REALITY and not try to change everyone to your own religion or non-religion... because it's so obvious to you that YOU are RIGHT.

The flag means nothing to me, but I KNOW it means a lot to those who believe in it and I would no longer show contempt and disrespect for their beliefs.....but obviously the Obama's (and a lot of you) do disrespect the beliefs of those who disagree with their superior and evolved knowledge. No big surprise.

Doesn't it (ANNOY-YOU) NancyV, when you have literally have to 'Lay The Truth' out in 'All in a Row' using nothing but the 'Truth' to explain to some people what should be just Plain (COMMONSENSE)...

I have virtually 'Given Up' on those 'Members' with 'Blinkers On' and spend my time to try an 'Educate' our 1000s of guests on just how I express the 'Truth As I Know It' in the simplest way possible...

...Now let me tell you, I am not the most popular member here at times , but I (Always Speak My Mind) and I will back-up my 'Truth Contributions' to anyone. All they have to do is go back and research the posts I've made so far to see if I am to be believed...

Hello Bueller - Anyone..???

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64

[ghostrider]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by GCS1103 (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by Lifebringer (here)

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.

Me too.....

I couldn't agree more

uuhhhhhh ? can you say obamacare ? wakey wakey

[jackovesk]

Posted by LarryC (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by Ivanhoe (here)
I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.

Bloody-Well-Said...Ivanhoe...

You said it alot more politely than I ever could...

Now this...

For (ALL) of you who went (Off) on some kind of 'Flag Tangent' by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags) yet are against 'World Govt' - you are nothing but a bunch of Hypocrites...

It doesn't seem like you even read many of the replies. Several of us suggested that there are alternatives to either nations states or a global NWO government. And how is the subject of flags a tangent when that is the supposed topic of this thread?

Unfortunately 'Patience' is not one of my strongest qualities...

It doesn't seem like you even read many of the replies.

I have read every single post thus far...

And how is the subject of flags a tangent when that is the supposed topic of this thread?

Perhaps you'd like to show me the 'Same Courtesy' and read all the posts I've made so far in this 'Thread' and you would realise just how 'Pointless' your statement 'above' really is...

Hint - "Think in 'Context' my friend"..

[Maia Gabrial]

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Posted by Lifebringer (here)

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.
Me too..... I couldn't agree more uuhhhhhh ? can you say obamacare ? wakey wakey

Someone hasn't been paying attention to what the prez and this faux govt has been up to....