The United States of America, incorporated

[mattymoto]

Mind a little of my twisted humor?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmc6tR2V1Vc

This is not meant to derail, US, but I saw this after I read your last post and I thought of you.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by mattymoto (here)
Mind a little of my twisted humor?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmc6tR2V1Vc

This is not meant to derail, US, but I saw this after I read your last post and I thought of you.

What a hoot! Thanks, still snickering,

Serenity

[we-R-one]

LMAO, that's great Matty! They sure do fancy themselves don't they? It's so ridiculous.....all this hierachy crap not to mention what they stand for isn't what they preach.

[humanalien]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
You're gonna love this....
From Ballentine's Law Dictionary, 1948 Edition. 'Human Being' is defined as follows: 'See monster' . From the same dictionary, 'monster' is defined: 'A human-being by birth, but in some part resembling a lower animal.'

Ballentines Law dictionary is just that, a dictionary, on legal phrases, not the actual law.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by humanalien (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
You're gonna love this....
From Ballentine's Law Dictionary, 1948 Edition. 'Human Being' is defined as follows: 'See monster' . From the same dictionary, 'monster' is defined: 'A human-being by birth, but in some part resembling a lower animal.'

Ballentines Law dictionary is just that, a dictionary, on legal phrases, not the actual law.

Yes, and law dictionaries explain the words used in law so we know what they are talking about and not assume we know. The same words we use everyday could mean something entirely different in law because they define the use of the word. Such as "wage" in Title 26 means something very specific and not just money you make from doing your job which is what most people assume it means.

[humanalien]

One way of opting out of government control and making
yourself a free man is to file for UCC Redemption Affidavit.

Here is an example Affidavit
http://www.think-aboutit.com/conspir...RESCISSION.htm

This will pretty much explain the process to you.

Redemption Of Your Strawman Account!
Filing a UCC1 With The Treasury Department?
Is There A Treasury Bond In My Name?
http://reality-bytes.hubpages.com/hu...-Your-Strawman

Let it be known that the government does not want you to file any
UCC Redemption Affidavit form. Once they receive the form, if it
isn't filled out perfectly, they will send your form to other offices of
government and sort of play the pass it along game. This could go
on for months or even years. If it is filled out perfectly, you could
expect visits from any of the alphabet agencies and they will try to
intimidate you into not pressing the issue any further. Some people
have tried getting there money back out of the government system,
probably worth millions and have wound up in prison. If you are going
to try something like this, let them keep the money or you will be the
next one going to prison.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by humanalien (here)
One way of opting out of government control and making
yourself a free man is to file for UCC Redemption Affidavit.

Here is an example Affidavit
http://www.think-aboutit.com/conspir...RESCISSION.htm

This will pretty much explain the process to you.

Redemption Of Your Strawman Account!
Filing a UCC1 With The Treasury Department?
Is There A Treasury Bond In My Name?
http://reality-bytes.hubpages.com/hu...-Your-Strawman

Let it be known that the government does not want you to file any
UCC Redemption Affidavit form. Once they receive the form, if it
isn't filled out perfectly, they will send your form to other offices of
government and sort of play the pass it along game. This could go
on for months or even years. If it is filled out perfectly, you could
expect visits from any of the alphabet agencies and they will try to
intimidate you into not pressing the issue any further. Some people
have tried getting there money back out of the government system,
probably worth millions and have wound up in prison. If you are going
to try something like this, let them keep the money or you will be the
next one going to prison.

Great info, do you know anyone who has done it and what was the outcome. Did it benefit them in a tangible way?

[crested-duck]

H A-- didn't this thread just cover who is running the scam and how it's being done ????Let me kindly remind you of this very important point you seem to have missed or forgotten alreaddy. The one that created the very system you are trying to opt out of, also holds the highest seat in the legal system you are trying to beat. Opting-out makes for a nice daydream, but not realistic at this point in time...Rob

[Maia Gabrial]

I thank you all and I bow to you all for this lesson.
I made copies of everything to study more in depth later. That is, when my brain stops spinning. Thank you, US. I can imagine what you must have gone through just to understand all of this.
I have nothing of relevance to add at this time....

[humanalien]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Great info, do you know anyone who has done it and what was the outcome. Did it benefit them in a tangible way?

I ran across another web page that was talking about two people that went through
this process.

The first man, while in the process of trying to become a free man buy filing his
UCC Redemption, also was trying to get back his millions that were made by using
his straw man name. You just know that the government will never admit to or give
you back the money made from your straw man name, so the government imprisoned
him on some trumped up charges.

The second man succeeded in becoming a free man, but he said that the fbi/cia were
always threatening him, to get him to stop the proceedings. I'm not sure how long it
took him to win his case but he is a free man now, as far as i know.

I don't know anyone personally that has tried this but i wish i did.

All i can say for sure is that if your going to try something like this, then expect
a big fight on your hands. Your paperwork will mysteriously turn up missing
and you may have to refile, your paperwork will be misdirected to the wrong
office because it wasn't filled out correctly or perfectly. You can expect the
fbi/cia and others to harass you and threaten you because the government doesn't
want to lose a money making straw man.

[humanalien]

Posted by crested-duck (here)
H A-- didn't this thread just cover who is running the scam and how it's being done ????Let me kindly remind you of this very important point you seem to have missed or forgotten alreaddy. The one that created the very system you are trying to opt out of, also holds the highest seat in the legal system you are trying to beat. Opting-out makes for a nice daydream, but not realistic at this point in time...Rob

All i can do is tell you what i found on the internet. I'm certainly no expert in this area
and no-one should believe a word i say or what they find on the internet. The only way
to find out for sure is go through the process yourself or at least do your own research.

It would be of great help if someone has easy access to government laws, rules and regulations
and they knew how to search through these things.

[Unified Serenity]

From my limited experience with this stuff and knowing people who have challenged the right of the government to take them to court and such where they challenge they are not the ALL caps person, there are so many ways to screw up. If you don't dot every i and cross every t you are screwed, and most likely in prison getting the laundry treatment where you become very sick from working in the prison laundry and they move you from prison to prison while you file appeals and you get your paperwork at the old prison which means you miss a filing date. If you have a family you might have to kiss them good bye as the state steps in to take your children for whatever made up reason, and the IRS, FBI, and any number of other alphabet agencies harass you nonstop.

[applecrusher1992]

This seems like the place to ask this question:

What could someone do if they didn't sign their social security card?

[Unified Serenity]

Hey applecrusher,

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Again, disclaimer, do not trust this idiot or any other idiot online about medical or legal information. I share what I have read and learned, but take no responsibility for what you do with it. This is for informational purposes only.

This was a common question in my group that came up. If you mean, they did not request it for themselves this is the answer.

First, no contract is valid that you did not sign or that you were not qualified to sign. Thus you have to be of age to sign a contract so all children with ssn's from birth or that their parents requested are really not contractually bound. As I remember business law, all details of a contract must be present when signing the contract. Thus, if you sign a form and you do not know that you are giving up x,y,z then it is not a valid contract either.

If you mean something else like an actual signature, I don't have one on my card. This is tricky business, and those who embark on this quest of "sovereignty" via trying to disentangle themselves from the "system" find themselves in a living hell for years. If you don't mind, they don't mind.

[sigma6]

Your question is more complicated then you may know, it touches on huge issues, one of the biggest secrets and most fundamental keys to sorting this out has to do with how trusts operate, and specifically before you jump on that wagon, private, non-statutory trusts in particular, this is a deeper topic then I can manage right now. But it is part of the equation...

To show how subtle and convoluted this is, Winston Shrout gives one of the most indepth explanations of how it started, he has dedicated thousands and thousands of hours of study to these concepts...

a thread I posted
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...out#post452784

This issue of Obama's BC is really secondary... 4shared.com now wants everyone who accesses a 4shared file, to have a 4shared account. Sucks, but it's ok, a free 10-15 GB of storage and you DON'T have to download anything to use it (I always uncheck any toolbar offers)... I believe if you watch the vid and download text file I dug up related to it, you will come as close as you ever have to understanding how a corporation came into existence.

Once you get to that level however, there is another question, what is the relationship of that corporation to the Constitutional Government and that is where Trust Law comes in and this is where the roadblock that keeps coming up for me is, as decent books on Trust are to found written in the late 1700 and 1800's and are typically around 1500 pages (about the same size as the bible...hmm), and are written in very cryptic archaic language (not surprisingly) Yet, however many months or years it would take to learn it would be well worth it imo, as it would be the key that unlocks the understanding of the entire system.

Remember this, we LIVE in an 'environment' where Trusts can come into existence without the knowledge of the Grantor, Trustee, or Beneficiary!!! (as per Gilberts - Law of Trusts) The implications of this is truly phenomenal... it's all based on self knowledge and self empowerment, and here is a maxim of law that goes with it. If you don't know what your rights are, then you have none... (ie. no one is going to uphold them for you, NO ONE, but YOU!) Thus this is why many fall into the 'citizen' trap with it's 'benefits and privileges'

This has to be a clear example of typical Roman philosophy, (let he who would be deceived, be deceived... doesn't sound very 'Christian' does it?) and evidence of the kind of world we live in today (although there is a relationship between the two, but that is 'another story'). Anyhow start with Winston's presentation as specific answer to your question re: evidence of origin/existance of the incorporation of US Government. Prepare to be stunned by the implications.

[Unified Serenity]

Hello Sigma 6,

You bring up some pretty interesting points. This site talks about the basics of contracts, and I am sure that a google of "what makes a contract valid' will give some more info and case law. I have watched judges throw cases out of court because of hearsay and not evidence. One party would say, we agreed xyz and the other would say, "your honor, that's just plain stupid, why would I agree to something that doesn't benefit me at all. I never agreed to that, and he knows it". The judge would say, do you have any evidence, and of course they didn't.

These are often the cases involving friends find out their buddy isn't so friendly or honest. Then, there are the other situations where nothing is in writing, but again common sense rules out most of the time. A woman starts dating a man, one of them starts giving the other money to help pay their bills, and says pay me back later. Of course later never happens, they fall out of love and the one who was giving money wants their money back. The one who got the money says, "it was a gift". I have rarely seen a judge agree with "it's a gift" when this happens. It sort of depends on the stories the parties tell, and most definitely any evidence.

Some people do really just say, "hey, baby don't you worry about it, I've got ya covered" and well, that's a gift, but of course when you get to court they are going to say, "Your honor, I explained to her that her bills are her responsibility, but I would help her out on occasion, and told her she had to pay me back, and she accepted the agreement". It's tough being judge sometimes, because I've seen some pretty slick people on both sides lie like crazy. I don't live in a big massive urban city, but a fairly small mid-sized city, and it's quite funny how stuff finally gets discovered "down" the road. I know that basically, all contracts must be agreed to. One offers, one accepts, and there is a mutual exchange of some value between the two.

[Taurean]

I've just found this excellent link to a site which lays it out in fairly plain English for us neophytes.

http://letsrollforums.com/u-c-c-uniform-t19999.html?amp

[Virgo]

I recently started reading American Freedom by Charles Erwin. The first two chapters can be download for free here http://www.americanfreedombooks.com/...resources.html Another resource I like a lot is Family Guardian. Link is here famguardian.org/